Ducati accused of cheating...

[Busy Little Whiner]

Topic of the grid seems to be Ducati and their "I don't need the draft" top
speed... so much so the consensus is that you're cheating... like how could
things be equal when the 7 time World Champion has to push hard just to
keep up with the kid??? you watch the little God Spawn push so hard until
things go wrong... so what did they find upon tech tear down??? nothing but
a legal V4... take note Yamaha...

[olderigetfasteriam]

Godspawn? Where do you come up with this drivel?

[DogBoy]

Enough. Stoner is outriding everyone.

[Busy Little Whiner]

Godspawn? Where do you come up with this drivel?

Mary... MotoGp fanatic/Vale supporter... reads the Italian press...

[jschmidt]

Do you realize that every post you write is dripping in snottiness? I think this is an interesting subject that's made much less interesting by your tone.

[Busy Little Whiner]

Enough. Stoner is outriding everyone.

Granted... Stoner was a bit of a crasher last year but he's not having to ride that hard with the new Ducati V4...

[olderigetfasteriam]

And last weekend he just plain kicked everyones ass.

[Busy Little Whiner]

And last weekend he just plain kicked everyones ass.

Yep... and this is the 3rd Stoner and Rossi duel where Casey emerged victorious... I think the Doctor feels
pressured...

I think we are going witness battles for the title on par with Freddie and Roberts... Rainey and Schantz...
let's hope it don't turn ugly...

[ninjadad66]

I've been a die hard Rossi fan since his 125 days, but i have to admit even though the Ducati has loads of power, Stoner is riding his @ss off.  I see the power in the straights, but to maintain in the curves takes skill as we all know.  WIshing for a great battle as well, but I hope Rossi can pull it off.

[highside]

Granted... Stoner was a bit of a crasher last year but he's not having to ride that hard with the new Ducati V4...

Which is why we are seeing Ducatis flushing out the podium and top rows of the grid at ever race...

Oh wait...  

[Capirex]

Yep where's Loris?  It's with a heavy heart that I say this may be it for him.  I read the Italian press as well and there are rumors that after the birth of his first son his heart just may not be in it anymore.  I hope they're wrong and he gets it turned around.

[bizarro]

Yep where's Loris?  It's with a heavy heart that I say this may be it for him.  I read the Italian press as well and there are rumors that after the birth of his first son his heart just may not be in it anymore.  I hope they're wrong and he gets it turned around.

I predict he'll retire after this season. He's dropped hints here and there.

[Bigfoot]

Do you realize that every post you write is dripping in snottiness? I think this is an interesting subject that's made much less interesting by your tone.

This is hilarious coming from you.  King of snottiness.  

[highside]

This is hilarious coming from you.  King of snottiness.  

I take exception to that remark.

[Mookie]

Godspawn? Where do you come up with this drivel?

There's a reason why I only have one person on ignore.  Care to guess who it is?  

[Busy Little Whiner]

There's a reason why I only have one person on ignore.  Care to guess who it is?  

Here's the reason... Mookie's is such an old codger... his brain sparks 40 degrees retarded... and I mean
that in the nicest terms with all due respect for age...

[jed]

Yep where's Loris?  It's with a heavy heart that I say this may be it for him.  I read the Italian press as well and there are rumors that after the birth of his first son his heart just may not be in it anymore.  I hope they're wrong and he gets it turned around.

That'll change your focus no matter how dedicated you are (at least if your a decent father it will/)

[jschmidt]

This is hilarious coming from you.  King of snottiness.  

Sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities -- can I expect an illegal search now?  

[Bigfoot]

Sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities -- can I expect an illegal search now?  

Based on the numerous PM's I've received on here regarding your popularity (or lack thereof)  most people would expect me to give you a wood shampoo.  Only problem is we don't carry wood anymore.  

[jschmidt]

Based on the numerous PM's I've received on here regarding your popularity (or lack thereof)  most people would expect me to give you a wood shampoo.  Only problem is we don't carry wood anymore.  

Post them up. I'd love to see them.

Your response is exactly what I'd expect from a criminal with a badge. I have no doubt that that's exactly what you are like. Shame on you.

[Orson]

I predict he'll retire after this season. He's dropped hints here and there.

Tetsuya Harada will be waiting for him in the bushes like Cato would do to Inspecteur Clouseau  

[Von Hoohaa]

Is it just me, or do a lot of ST.n members know each other too well? I don't remember this level of vitriol in years past.

[Bigfoot]

Post them up. I'd love to see them.

Your response is exactly what I'd expect from a criminal with a badge. I have no doubt that that's exactly what you are like. Shame on you.

Nope. Like others I was asked not to post them.  A few at least want you to think they may like you.  

[Mookie]

Is it just me, or do a lot of ST.n members know each other too well? I don't remember this level of vitriol in years past.

familiarity breeds contempt

[DogBoy]

Is it just me, or do a lot of ST.n members know each other too well? I don't remember this level of vitriol in years past.

Its just a lovers' spat.

[Von Hoohaa]

familiarity breeds contempt

Yeah, I think that's it. That and/or too much time arguing in The Dungeon.

[jschmidt]

Nope. Like others I was asked not to post them.  A few at least want you to think they may like you.  

[Mr Sunshine]

GEEEEZZZZ...This thread is about Ducati's monster of a motor.

I'm glad someone had them torn down but even more glad that it was all legal.  That's pretty cool!!  Now...Yamaha...go faster!

[Busy Little Whiner]

GEEEEZZZZ...This thread is about Ducati's monster of a motor.

I'm glad someone had them torn down but even more glad that it was all legal.  That's pretty cool!!  Now...Yamaha...go faster!

Yamaha needs to work their butts off...

Colin Edwards quote:
"When asking when are bikes are going to do 205 mph, then the answer is when that are going down a
mine shaft with a tail wind"

[highside]

Based on the numerous PM's I've received

Why does it not suprise me that you have had numerous incidents of pms?  

[katrider]

Yamaha needs to work their butts off...

Colin Edwards quote:
"When asking when are bikes are going to do 205 mph, then the answer is when that are going down a
mine shaft with a tail wind"

Colin is a pistol...the man has a truly sharp sense of himself, and his situation.

[Mr Sunshine]

Why does it not suprise me that you have had numerous incidents of pms?  

post in off topic or shut up.

[highside]

post in off topic or shut up.

Lets see, who is making the biggest jerk of themselves in this particular thread. Could it be you? Heed your own advice.

[Mr Sunshine]

Lets see, who is making the biggest jerk of themselves in this particular thread. Could it be you? Heed your own advice.

go f**** yourself...you are the jerk.  Lets keep this thread on topic for a freaking change....this isn't off topic...its Pit Row...one of the few places on this board I'll visit anymore.

[Capirex]

Tetsuya Harada will be waiting for him in the bushes like Cato would do to Inspecteur Clouseau  

 
You think he'll give 250s a go again?  

And for you BLS haters - I think the godspawn analogy is spot on.  

[highside]

go f**** yourself...you are the jerk.  Lets keep this thread on topic for a freaking change....this isn't off topic...its Pit Row...one of the few places on this board I'll visit anymore.

I am so glad that you are here to spread vitriol on this part of the board too, maybe some day you will realize that a little good natured ribbing is part of how actual humans interact with each other and that pompous whining is a turn off for everyone.

Nah, who am I kidding.

[Tyrroneous]

Who was accusing Ducati of cheating...other race teams or just the general press?

Despite the fact that Nicky is not doing as well as I would have hoped, this season is turning out to be a good one.  I predict the race for the championship will be tight to the end.  Stoner and Ducati have found their "groove" and I'm sure it is eating way at Rossi to no end that he has no answer to Stoner's new found ability to stay upright.  


On Capirossi...I think he's done.  Becoming a parent can/should have a monumental impact on a person.  The funny thing is that Colin actually went faster after he became a Dad.  


Oh yeah, and all you beeyotches that are arguing up here in Pit Row need to take that crap somewhere else!      

[Mr Sunshine]

I am so glad that you are here to spread vitriol on this part of the board too, maybe some day you will realize that a little good natured ribbing is part of how actual humans interact with each other and that pompous whining is a turn off for everyone.

Nah, who am I kidding.

That's fine....but do it in off topic because that ripping has *nothing* to do with racing nor with Ducati's tear down.

[Gaolee]

It is pretty simple- Ducati designed and built a better motor.  Its configuration is irrelevant, as Suzuki spent the last decade or so proving.

[DogBoy]

It is pretty simple- Ducati designed and built a better motor.  Its configuration is irrelevant, as Suzuki spent the last decade or so proving.

Don't forget Honda is also doing a hell of a job showing that configuration is irrelevant..  

[falcofred]

Yep... and this is the 3rd Stoner and Rossi duel where Casey emerged victorious... I think the Doctor feels
pressured...

I think we are going witness battles for the title on par with Freddie and Roberts... Rainey and Schantz...
let's hope it don't turn ugly...

I hope they do get ugly, a real rivalry, a fairing banging, fist waving, accusation thowing battle to the end. I want the entire season, the championship to come down to the last corner of the last race. I'd like it to end just like this last race ended, a real duel to the end, may the best rider/team/manufacture win. As long as its not Pedrosa

[dnlwthrn]

I thought that part of the issue was traction control and firing order.  I seem to remember that Ducati pulled out all the stops with their new TC, and were able to change the firing order, giving them more power.  Don't quote me on that, as I can't remember where I read that.  Something about being able to switch from the "big bang" firing order to something different?

[Busy Little Whiner]

It is pretty simple- Ducati designed and built a better motor.  Its configuration is irrelevant, as Suzuki spent the last decade or so proving.

It is simple... if you think of engine configurations in political correct terms then they are irrelevant...
but if you think of engine configurations in engineering terms then they are very relevant... so far the
V4 proves to be engine of choice in MotoGp... the inherent problems of the I4 make it difficult for a rider
to gain the podium... Rossi has to take more risk than Stoner to win... and taking more risk means more
mistakes... looking back in histroy when the two stroke reign supreme Yamaha tried the I4 but soon join
the ranks of V4s... no one raced an I4 in 500cc Gp... they were all V4s... that's how relevant engine
configuration was to the engineers at Yamaha Honda Suzuki and so shall it be in MotoGp... I predict
history will repeat itself and you'll see only one engine configuration in MotoGp... I believe Yamaha and
Kawasaki will eventually drop the I4 in favor of the V4...    

[Orson]

I'm surprised at the lack of respect for Stoner's riding ability.

We've seen it before. A young rider places respectably but with no wins. Then he wins one race, discovers something within himself and then goes on a tear...kinda like another Australian rider.

Of course this thread might be a diversionary tactic so that we might not notice Honda's continuing struggle to cure their V 4's vague front end.

 

 

[Busy Little Whiner]

I'm surprised at the lack of respect for Stoner's riding ability.

We've seen it before. A young rider places respectably but with no wins. Then he wins one race, discovers something within himself and then goes on a tear...kinda like another Australian rider.

Of course this thread might be a diversionary tactic so that we might not notice Honda's continuing struggle to cure their V 4's vague front end.

I agree... Stoner is the new Doohan...

Honda will get their V4 set up right just as they did with their last V4 race bike that's resting
handsomely in my garage after just ripping the ears off that latest I4 motor of deaths...

[Thor]

Do you realize that every post you write is dripping in snottiness? I think this is an interesting subject that's made much less interesting by your tone.

Do you realize that everyone of your responses makes you look like delta bravo?

[Galo]

Who is Stoner, what the hell is a Wee 4, and is'nt Rossi a brand of that shit your mix with gin to make martinis?

Sorry, but...it's Friday afternoon and I am drink, so eff you........

[olderigetfasteriam]

Who is Stoner, what the hell is a Wee 4, and is'nt Rossi a brand of that shit your mix with gin to make martinis?

Sorry, but...it's Friday afternoon and I am drink, so eff you........

Well said.

[Hoss]

Tetsuya Harada will be waiting for him in the bushes like Cato would do to Inspecteur Clouseau  

I've seen a few articles (which may be nothing more then a bad rumor) linking him with Kawasaki as well.

[black hills]

According to a Ducati spokesman that is not a V-4, but rather 2-Vtwins..  (I'll try to find the exact quote)

As for Stoner, it should be no surpirse. If you paid attention to him last year he always rode very well, he just crashed all the time. Once he figured out how to quit crashing it's only logical that he will be at the front.

[1KPerDay]

Yeah, I think that's it. That and/or too much time arguing in The Dungeon.

Then keep it in PO, IMO.

RSVP. CDB?

[Busy Little Whiner]

According to a Ducati spokesman that is not a V-4, but rather 2-Vtwins..  

That's my fault... back in 98 during the V4 / V2 wars in WSBK... I went out on the limb and stated that V2
are dead & buried and someday Ducati would copy Honda and race a V4 like the RC45...

[DredheadV2.0]

post in off topic or shut up.

I would say - post ON TOPIC or shut up.  But yeah, the sentiment's the same.

Can you people please f**king take it to PM or leave it in PO?  We're trying to enjoy the rest of the forum.  K thanks.

I'll echo what's said about Stoner.  I just watched the Catalunya race, just now, and was on and off the edge of the couch with my girlfriend laughing at me for my vexation.  Casey simply outrode Dani and the Doctor.  He was unflappable, and it was a joy to watch.  I hope the rest of the season stays this competitive, coz I'm sick of knowing who's going to win before the race is half over.

[atypical1]

One of Stoner's main strengths is showing restraint. Rossi is riding the hell out of his bike and is having to push it to the limit to keep up with the Duc. Not many (if any riders) can do that and pull it off. Casey knows what the strength of the bike is and is using it.

james

[Busy Little Whiner]

One of Stoner's main strengths is showing restraint. Rossi is riding the hell out of his bike and is having to push it to the limit to keep up with the Duc. Not many (if any riders) can do that and pull it off. Casey knows what the strength of the bike is and is using it.

james

If Rossi doesn't win the championship it's only because he has more go
than his Yamaha... he rides his heart out but his bike fails to keep up...

[highside]

If Rossi doesn't win the championship it's only because he has more go
than his Yamaha... he rides his heart out but his bike fails to keep up...

So it isnt even possible that Rossi could lose the championship because Stoner earned the victory? That seems a tad unfair, especially as a statement made so early in the season.

[atypical1]

If Rossi doesn't win the championship it's only because he has more go
than his Yamaha... he rides his heart out but his bike fails to keep up...

That is not really what I meant. I meant that Casey is showing an amazing amount of maturity as a rider and not going toe to toe with Rossi and knowing what the strength of his bike is. Meaning that Casey is using great strategy alongside his riding ability.

[tomek]

Tires guys,tires.It is the biggest factor here.
It changes from race to race,but on average Bridgestone ( Stoner ) has been much better then Michelin ( Rossi,Pedrosa) so far this year.
Sure Ducs are faster then the rest ,but it has very little to do with V4 configuration.
2 factors,desmo valve train and screamer firing order.Desmo has less friction,hp in case of MotoGp is somewhat limited by size of fuel tank.( 19 liters ?).The rest of the field is on traditional valves minus Suzuki.But zukis are using 70 deg Vee,it gives them more freedom with engine location,but  their intake is choked vs 90 deg Vee.

It is all compromise,V4 is narrower then inline 4 but ,in case of 90 deg Vee,there is alwayes a problem with weight distribution,not enough on front tire,they don`t want to turn in,especially in tighter sections.In past years Rossi was able to dive inside of Vee competition at will,all things being equal inline 4 is more nimble bike,perhaps less stable.

I hope that Moto Gp will follow F1 and go to spec ECU,basically no traction contol,real riding talents will shine again,not some geek who wrote the program.

It is too early to tell,but perhaps Stoner IS next Rossi,Doohan,,,,,,,,,,,

[Mr Sunshine]

I hope that Moto Gp will follow F1 and go to spec ECU,basically no traction contol,real riding talents will shine again,not some geek who wrote the program.

There is still quite a bit of tuning that has to be done by the rider to have the bike perform the way *THEY* want it to perform.

I don't get why you guys all want "spec" racing.  Watched WAYYY too much Nascar!

[Von Hoohaa]

There is still quite a bit of tuning that has to be done by the rider to have the bike perform the way *THEY* want it to perform.

I don't get why you guys all want "spec" racing.  Watched WAYYY too much Nascar!

Agreed. Anyway, the big breakthrough Nicky Hayden found last week was to turn the traction control way down, so the 800 has more power and slides around like the old 990s.

[Mr Sunshine]

Agreed. Anyway, the big breakthrough Nicky Hayden found last week was to turn the traction control way down, so the 800 has more power and slides around like the old 990s.

Is that why.....oh watch this past weekends race.

[Mookie]

Is that why.....oh watch this past weekends race.

   He was going quite a bit better than he has all year, so that's nice for him at least.

[jerome_oneil]

So it isnt even possible that Rossi could lose the championship because Stoner earned the victory? That seems a tad unfair, especially as a statement made so early in the season.

All things being equal, I'll take Rossi every time.  Stoner is going to earn his championship on the back of a superior bike.   There's nothing wrong with that.

Put Rossi on the Duc, and the end is a forgone conclusion.

[Von Hoohaa]

Is that why.....oh watch this past weekends race.

I've watched it. Yeah, he binned it, but he was racing at the front and had been consistently fast all weekend. That counts as a major breakthrough in his disastrous season.

[bogthing]

All things being equal, I'll take Rossi every time.  Stoner is going to earn his championship on the back of a superior bike.   There's nothing wrong with that.

Put Rossi on the Duc, and the end is a forgone conclusion.

Put Rossi on an R1 and let 'im run in WSBK for a bit...Just for laughs, mind you