'nother question on body positioning

[dinolee]

So in the first pic, the dude would have less lean angle (looks to me like he hardly has any to begin with) if he was positioned "Correctly" which means hanging off?
Yet in the second pic, he's hanging off (showing good form, might I add) and his knee is 2 feet off the deck and the bike is again, hardly leaned over.
Alot of good hanging off did him.
I stand by my original post.

Where is the rider in the pic, i.e. preapex, apex, post apex.  What kind of corner is it?  Reducing radius, double apex, slight curve, immediate s-curve, etc...  All of these factor in to how much and where the body is/moving to.  The body and head do not stay static through the corner. At the apex and leaving apex, the body and head will be at their lowest positions to ensure the most traction on the drive out of the corner.

How do you know it didn't do the rider in the 2nd pic any good? How do you know how fast he was going between the pictures? Knee on the deck, or for that matter lean angle, is not any sort of indication of speed.

[Mr Sunshine]

That " 6" "  can equate to many feet of advanced warning on something like a tight on ramp where walls are blocking your views.

If your reactions are good enough to shave off thousands of a second...then by all means.

[Mr Sunshine]

So in the first pic, the dude would have less lean angle (looks to me like he hardly has any to begin with) if he was positioned "Correctly" which means hanging off?
Yet in the second pic, he's hanging off (showing good form, might I add) and his knee is 2 feet off the deck and the bike is again, hardly leaned over.
Alot of good hanging off did him.
I stand by my original post.

You are right...you know everything.  I don't know shit and I should just bow down to whatever you say.  

[kam]

While the rider is nowhere near max lean angle, its still not a good habit to get into.  I'm not just saying it, all advanced riding texts (Ienatsch, Parks etc.) reiterate this.

[scott-sts]

You are right...you know everything.  I don't know shit and I should just bow down to whatever you say.  

Oh please.  All you do is argue.  You really need to read your own posts friend.

[black hills]

Most of your wieght is in your torso, so it only makes sense to have that part of the body to the inside if you are trying to effect the center of gravity. Find a big sweeper and do some experimenting. 1/2 way through the corner shift your torso to the inside, what happens to lean angle? now center your torso but hang your butt off. It should all be clear to you by the end of the ride.

[dinolee]

While the rider is nowhere near max lean angle, its still not a good habit to get into.  I'm not just saying it, all advanced riding texts (Ienatsch, Parks etc.) reiterate this.

Our SR1 class asked Nick (Ienatsch) at Freddie Spencer's about the application of shifting the center of gravity over during street riding.  He said it's perfectly fine, although sticking the knee out is obviously overkill and will probably get ya noticed by the local LEOs.

I don't consider anything by Parks to be 'advanced'.

[1moreroad]

Mea culpa mea culpa.  Never should have asked the question.  

[R Doug]

Mea culpa mea culpa.  Never should have asked the question.  

Are you kidding me!?