Used Monster, how much should it be?

[shah269]

OK looking to say the hell with it and just go into the Pasta Side.
How much does the average Monster go for and what should I look for?
Thanks!

[Rincewind]

Considering that the Monster has been made for 14-years, there really is a wide spread of prices on used models.  

I'd do some searching on ebay, cycletrader, and take a look at the monster board for an idea on pricing.  Monster board to be found at http://www.ducatimonster.org/ .  They also have a nice chart showing the model's history - http://www.ducatimonster.org/faq/faq_model_comparison.html

[atadaskew]

kbb.com, nadaguide.com
I would opt for a fool injecshion model. And as recent one as you can afford.
My 800ss has the same motor that is in the S2R and 800 Monster.  Real nice.

[shah269]

How about maintenance on these engines?

[atypical1]

Again, a pretty broad question. Is it a 4V or 2V? How old is the bike. The newer ones are more reliable than the older ones. The S2R 1000's have a bulletproof motor in them. The S4R have the Superbike motors in them which are a LOT of fun but more maint heavy.

You should try www.ducati.ms and poke around. Or the Ducati Monster List site.

james

[Rincewind]

How about maintenance on these engines?

If you're not going to do the valve checks yourself, I would contact some dealers to get an idea of cost.  The liquid-cooled 4-valve engines on the Monster S4R are typically quite a bit more expensive to service then the 2-valve engines like on the S2R and other air-cooled models.  Valve adjustment intervals are every 6000 miles on the pre-2007 models.  Apparently they aren't extremely hard to do yourself, and one STN'er, "Hulked-Up", has a real nice DIY report on his web page.

Personally I would look for a used S2R1000 for big power, single-sided swingarm, and the air-cooled engine.  The S2R800 is also nice though less powerful.  If you're looking for around $5000 or less, I'd look at the M900 Monsters which, from my previous research, appear to be a favorite of Monster riders.

[Desmo Demon]

From what I've been seeing, the Monster 620/750/800 are the cheapest, starting at about $3000 and working on up with the S4R at $10k+. The carb versions are generally cheaper than the FI bikes. The smaller bikes are usually in less demand because they are known to be more of a beginner bike (eventhough they really aren't).

For maintenance, the 2V engines are a breeze to work on and are pretty much bullet-proof. The 4V engines are a little more labor intensive, but aren't that bad (I just tore my 748 apart for a valve check/adjust over the weekend). One potential issue with the 4V engines is if the chrome flakes from the rockers (very common with the superbikes, but less common with the Monsters and ST4 bikes). In general, also, the engine's valves tend to settle in at 12k miles or so, and at this point, a lot of owners tend to only do valve checks/inspections every 12k miles instead of the recommended 6k. Belts are still recommended to be changed every 12k miles or two years, whichever comes first (I typically shoot for 12k miles or 3 years). I skipped the 18k valve check on my ST2 and waited for the 24k. At this point, I adjusted three valves, but all of them were within factory spec (I run mine a little bit tighter).

Basically, find the Monster you want and find a clean example with maintenance records and just buy it. I'm sure you'll be quite happy with it.  

[shah269]

Thanks guys!
Greatly appreciated!
Looking forward to maybe next year having a bike light enough that my wife can move around the garage when I'm away on business travel. And the Monster seems to fit the bill perfect at a wight of about 350lbs full.
As for power, I've had a 87 VFR and currently own a 97 1100 GPZ and I really do miss the nimble feel of the old VFR.
And I'm guessing the Monster will be just fine!
That and they look great for the mini touring i do around here in NJ
Thanks!

[shah269]

The small monster is air cooled and doesn't come with a sssa?
Hu....are parts interchangable between the models?
Sure I want a light bike but that SSSA is just 100% sex!

[Rincewind]

The small monster is air cooled and doesn't come with a sssa?
Hu....are parts interchangable between the models?
Sure I want a light bike but that SSSA is just 100% sex!

The S2R800 & S2R1000 are air-cooled with SSSA.  



Before the S2R's I don't think any of the air-cooled models had SSSA's.  The S4R's had the SSSA before the S2R (the S4R is the 4-valve liquid-cooled model).

[shah269]

You all suck!
I'm in love!  

Features:

The S2R 800 cc is the smallest Monster in the SR family, developed just three years ago to explore a previously uncharted segment: that of the naked machine with a race personality. Although it was unveiled just a year ago, this model soon hit the headlines with record sales, making waves in the biking community thanks to its exceptional mix of iconic styling, sheer performance, and accessible pricing. Equipped with an 803 cc twin cylinder powerplant, with dual valves and air cooling, the S2R 800 maintains the classic looks of the SR family with a distinctive colour scheme thanks to the iconic racing stripe extending from the rear fairing to the headlight shell.

Style

The S2R is the entry level Monster allowing newcomers to get a first taste of the qualities of the "single-sided swingarm" family - the naked bikes with a race personality that have come to personify an emerging market segment. Introduced into the range in 2005, the SR2 has all the aesthetic features of the bigger SR Monsters, combined with remarkable success with an 800 cc air-cooled twin-cylinder engine. In terms of styling, the result, which combines typical race details with several of the essential characteristics that have brought fame to the fabulous Ducati naked machines, has captivated the attention of enthusiasts. For the MY '06, the S2R is offered in the classic versions, obviously including the popular Dark model, which follows tradition and, with its handsome matt black paintwork, is the version offering the best quality/price ratio and also the most accessible opportunity to enjoy the dynamic qualities of this superb machine; in fact, this model is supplied without the headlight fairing and painted seat cover, and is equipped with conventional handlebar in place of the variable section aluminium version of the other models in the S2R series.
The most characteristic colour schemes of the Monster S2R are the basic three classic combinations with their distinctive broad racing stripe. And there's one highly characteristic technical feature shared by all SR models: we're talking about the much admired vertically stacked twin exhaust system that snakes down the right-hand side of the tail section.

Chassis

The S2R project is built around a series of chassis solutions designed to ensure that the bike handles in a way that is compatible with its aesthetic appearance. In order to provide the machine with the qualities needed to tackle mixed riding conditions, ideal to underscore the excellent torque characteristics of the twin cylinder air-cooled engine, this machine has been equipped with a braking system that combines incredible stopping power with the maximum controllability. The twin 300 mm front discs are assisted by a equally effective single 245 mm disc on the rear wheel. Even though it is the "smallest" model in the range, the suspension systems on the Monster S2R are sized exactly like those of the bigger displacement higher-performance versions: the Sachs monoshock is coupled to the attractive and extremely rigid single-sided aluminium swingarm. The front end of the traditional steel tube trellis frame is equipped with an upside-down fork with 43 mm diameter stanchion tubes.


Powerplant

The 800 cc engine with two intake valves per cylinder can boast a proven track record of optimal balance in terms of performance, thanks to its excellent power output, delivered without creating problems for less experienced riders. The blend of high performance and reduced fuel consumption was refined with the evolution of the twin cylinder powerplant, which in its most recent edition has been equipped with electronic fuel injection and a catalytic converter exhaust system. Extremely lively despite the carefully controlled fuel consumption, since 2004 the 800 desmo engine has been coupled with another distinctive technical solution: the APTC clutch derived from the version installed on 620 engines but with an additional update. The APTC is now fitted with a cush drive designed to make the downshift phase smoother and more progressive, and a twin primary drive sprocket to reduce transmission noise. One advantage, in addition to the benefits of the APTC slipper clutch resulting in reduced clutch lever operating force, consists of the "slipper" clutch design, that eliminates the damaging effects of reverse torque on suspension and engine in conditions of hard braking.


 

Chassis:

Frame: Tubular steel trellis
Wheelbase: 1440 mm / 56.7 in
Rake: 24°
Front Suspension: 43 mm upside-down fork
Front Wheel Travel: 130 mm / 5.1 in
Front Brake: 2 x 300 mm discs, 2-piston caliper
Front Wheel: 5-spoke light alloy 3.50 x 17
Front Tire: 120/70 ZR 17
Rear Suspension: Progressive linkage with Sachs adjustable monoshoshock. Single-sided aluminium swingarm
Rear Wheel Travel: 148 mm / 5.8 in
Rear Brake: 245 mm disc, 2-piston caliper
Rear Wheel: 5-spoke light alloy 5.50 x 17
Rear Tire: 180/55 ZR 17
Fuel Capacity: 14 L / 3.6 US gal (includes 3 L / 0.8 US gal reserve)
Weight * : 173 kg / 381 lbs
Seat Height: 800 mm / 31.5 in
Instruments: Electronic panel: speedometer, rev counter, neutral light, oil pressure warning light, low fuel warning light, high beam indicator, turn signals, immobilizer system, LCD clock
Warranty: 2 years unlimited mileage
Tank and Fairing Colours: Matte black
Frame and Wheel Colours: Black w/Black wheels
Versions: Two Seats
*=* = The weight excludes battery, lubricants and, where applicable, cooling liquid.




Engine:

Type: L twin cylinder, 2 valves per cylinder Desmodromic; air cooled
Displacement: 803 cc
Bore and stroke: 88 x 66 mm
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Power: 56.7 kw - 77 hp @ 8250 rpm
Torque: 7.4 kgm - 54 ft-lbs @ 6500 rpm
Fuel system: Marelli electronic fuel injection, 45 mm throttle body
Exhaust: 2 aluminum mufflers
Emissions: Euro2
Transmission
Gearbox: 6 speed
Ratio: 1st 32/13, 2nd 30/18, 3rd 28/21, 4th 26/23, 5th 22/22, 6th 24/26
Primary drive: Straight cut gears; ratio 1.85
Final drive: Chain; Front sprocket 15; Rear sprocket 42
Clutch: APTC wet multiplate with hydraulic control


Oh baby come to But Head!

[xbud]

 A couple weeks ago I test rode an S2R1000 at Euro Motorsports, that engine is just sheer torque, It pulled better than my ST4. It did'nt have quite the top end Punch of a 4 Valve engine but the lower end more than made up for it. Really fast and nimble steering to boot. If I had an extra 10 Grand, I would pick it up as a city ride.

[shah269]

You know, i ride maybe 15mile, 30km to and from work every other day.
Every sunday or so i go for a nice long 2-3 hour solo in the country roads around my city.
At most I see the highway once a week. I really don't need the 1100GPZ.
This bike should be just fine for me.
Either this one, or it's little brother.
Well see how far i can stretch my money.

[Desmo Demon]

I've been eyeing a silver with black stripe S2R for a couple of years.....my wife would kill me if I brought home another bike....plus, I'm almost to the point to where I can't put a decent number of miles on each of them on an annual basis.

[Rincewind]

I would personally hate you if you got a S2R.  Just sayin!  

[shah269]

2007 DUCATI Monster 695
$6,899
with 80 miles?

[Rincewind]

2007 DUCATI Monster 695
$6,899
with 80 miles?

That's about $200 over the KBB book value of a used model.  Is the bike new, a demo, or a used bike?

If it's the black bike with the red frame, that's soooo damn sexy.  But the 695 does not have the SSSA, just so you know.  

[shah269]

80 miles on the thing....
Looks good, black on black
But i don't have the money at the moment.
Maybe next year

[Hickey]

There are a lot of gently used Monsters out there.  These aren't typically bought by the squid-set, so the bikes tend to be well taken care of.  There are exceptions to that, of course.

The S2R 800 has been out for a few years now, since 2004.  It wasn't really expensive when new and a three year old example in good condition could be a bargain and probably has the first two valve inspection done already.  If you don't get caught up in spec sheets and stats, that 803cc motor is a real gem.

The S2R 1000 has been around a year or two less, so the used market isn't quite as rich.  There is also the Monster 1000 which has the same motor, but no single sided swingarm.  This bike has a steel tank, instead of plastic, so magnetic tank bags will work.  The first model year for the Monster 1000 was 2003 and it sold until 2005, when it was replaced by the S2R 1000 for 2006.

Ducati keeps their previous model year web pages on their web site.  http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/service/archive.jhtml
Very useful when researching used bikes.