A Narrowly Focused ABS Discussion

[joema]

I disagree...I think a large percentage of motorcycle accidents could be prevented by ABS. How often do you hear of people locking the front wheel by grabbing the front brake too quickly, or locking up the rear wheel, then letting off and high siding? Hint: they usually say they “had to lay ‘er down.”...

My statement was "most riders don't have crashes ABS would have prevented". Since most riders don't crash at all, the statement is obviously true -- ABS can't help a crash which never happened.

Of the subset of total riders who have crashes, most are caused by the cager not seeing the bike or by the bike failing to negotiate a curve (Hurt report). Out of that subset, how many would ABS prevent. Not lessen severity, but prevent. I'm sure the answer is less than 50%, which means most (meaning more than 50%) of total accidents would not be prevented by ABS.

This doesn't mean ABS isn't useful, or that it wouldn't prevent lots of accidents. But I believe the original statement was correct.

[Clive]

Unfortunately, there are lots of ways to crash: lowsides, highsides from improper throttle or other rider malfunction, running wide in a curve, target fixation with little or no braking, over-aggressive braking that locks the front and dumps the rider, using rear brake only and having no chance of stopping in time, ...  ABS will help in some of these situations and help not at all in others.

And that is exactly why I set about trying to tease out those situations where ABS might aid the reasonably skilled rider (in this case, me  ) and identifying those where it wouldn't.

[Busy Little Whiner]

Some day I'll be perfect like BLS (although I'm pretty good at spotting sand on the road, unlike him, so I guess I'm more perfect in some ways)

Perfect??? I suck at riding... it's just you suck worst than I do Uncle Bob...

[Uncle Bob]

Perfect??? I suck at riding... it's just you suck worst than I do Uncle Bob...

hehe, took you a while to respond to that

I have no doubt you think you're more perfect.  You've stated that in various ways more times than I count

Keep repeating it often enough, you might even start believing it  

[cbsnbiker]

I don't know where you got that idea. I posted that if another vehicle that pulled in front of me hadn't stopped after my evasive maneuver, it would have hit me because ABS lengthened my stopping distance by several feet.  

The description is in the thread "ABS almost killed me."  

I got that idea from your description of the events. You locked your brakes. ABS was triggered. You didn't crash.

ABS saved your bacon. I'm glad it did. Seriously.

[Snowbird]

I got that idea from your description of the events. You locked your brakes. ABS was triggered. You didn't crash.

ABS saved your bacon. I'm glad it did. Seriously.

No... I applied my brakes to the maximum braking force the bike would muster, limited by the ***.

And, thanks.

[bikerfish1100]

No... I applied my brakes to the maximum braking force the bike would muster, limited by the ***.

And, thanks.

in that case, it sounds like you have issues with how Yamaha implemented ABS on the FRJ more than you have an issue with ABS in general.

[Mr Sunshine]

I'm with you Skip...when you have to narrow a discussion down to something small and varient just to win the argument then you've already lost.  

[Snowbird]

I'm with you Skip...when you have to narrow a discussion down to something small and varient just to win the argument then you've already lost.  

Yeah, but you're a suckhole.  

[Snowbird]

in that case, it sounds like you have issues with how Yamaha implemented ABS on the FRJ more than you have an issue with ABS in general.

Yes, I do have an issue with the FJR's ABS' stopping distance. I've not yet had time to look over some additional info provided here, especially with the Duc's ABS.

I have no overall issue with ABS so long as it works well and does not weigh a lot. It makes me wonder why the FJR gained 40 pounds the same year ABS became standard, but I'm assued by ST.N'ers that it isn't the ABS adding on the pounds; some sort of coincidence, I guess.   On the other hand, I've had no problems with non-ABS brakes, either. So, I still wonder what the hoopla is about.

I don't overall like the FJR's linked brakes either, even if they have one small advanage that did help me once.

[Mr Sunshine]

Yeah, but you're a suckhole.  

When did this become the dungeon?  I've stayed out of there for months and I'm happier because of it.

[Snowbird]

When did this become the dungeon?  I've stayed out of there for months and I'm happier because of it.

Just kidding.

[bomber]

wow -- so much typing, so many opinions, so little data ;-}

Mr. Busy -- I share many of your opinions wrt weight and rider skills -- just curious -- have you got a slipper clutch on any of your bikes (other than the one in your left hand, of course) . . .

[Busy Little Whiner]

wow -- so much typing, so many opinions, so little data ;-}

Mr. Busy -- I share many of your opinions wrt weight and rider skills -- just curious -- have you got a slipper clutch on any of your bikes (other than the one in your left hand, of course) . . .

Mr.RC45 came stock with a slipper clutch and I don't get to use much on the street but I definitely use it
during track days and racing... a V4 is like a V2 with regards to engine braking... it's easy to get the rear
wheel hoping during quick down shifts...

[bomber]

thanks -- just curious about the globalness of your opion of rider-assisting tech, is all

[cbsnbiker]

No... I applied my brakes to the maximum braking force the bike would muster, limited by the ***.

And, thanks.

You're still in denial. Here's what you wrote in another thread:

Anyway, I braked on the clean dry pavement to the point where the ABS activated.

In fact, you didn't apply your brakes to their maximum braking force; you exceeded that threshold. You locked your brakes. ABS unlocked your brakes and helped keep you upright.   for your ABS unit.

You're welcome. I'm glad you're still here to have this discussion.