Bargain Sport Tourer

[texasaggie81]

Hello all,

   I'm glad to have found ST.N, a forum not in the middle for those who really like to ride.  Have grown sick of reading forums written by those who just like to eat pavement from the side of a bike too powerful for their skill level, or those who just want to look cool on their $17K hogs.  Not that I wouldn't mind having a Harley or a race replica, I mean anything with two wheels gets me excited, but I need something to really ride every day.  Which brings me to the point.
   I currently live in Houston(TX), and go to school in College Station, nearly 100 miles away.  I commute every day because I have a family and we own a home we really don't want to sell.  I have ridden old metric standards for about 10yrs, and my last Yamaha passed after electrical complications, and was given to a friend(electrical engineer).  I have managed to talk my wife into letting me buy another bike in order to save gas, if it's economical enough we can save almost $300/month and I'll get to see her and our daughter every evening.  
   Of course cost is a huge factor at this point and time, otherwise there are several nice choices I would like to have (Triumph ST, etc).  I have considered used, but there are just so many mistreated bikes out there.  However, for my price range I may just have to find something sturdy with 10K miles on it.  What I'll be looking for is:

   -Low Price ($3000 to $5000) maybe a little more if I bring home flowers that day
   -Good gas mileage (upwards of 55mpg) 70+ from Ninja 250 is tempting
   -Comfortable (1 1/2hr trip each way, all highway, 75mph, but generally light traffic, half of it semis)
   -Decent performance (yes, I ride bikes because they're fun too.  this is why I started the crusade to remount)
   -Would like to add rainproof hard case without killing lines of the bike
   -Durability (over the next three years I will probably rack up 60K+ miles

   I have done a lot of research on the web, and talked to a couple of dealers.  I believe I really like the ninja 500, but am unsure of it's touring capabilities.  It seems that for every person who says they have taken long trips and highways with no problem on the smaller affordable bikes, there are others that say they are not up to the task.  I'm sure it's all a matter of perspective.  The 21yr old on his new sport bike has no prob pulling off a 200 miles day once in a while, and the wise tourer wouldn't settle for anything less than a Goldwing or such.  
   I really like the Yamaha YZF 600R (not the R6) as it is sporty but more ergonomical than most, but it is really out of my price range, and may not look good loaded up.  The used models either look flogged or already have too many miles on the odometer to give me the lifespan I'm looking for.  I probably need to buy new, which puts many of the nicer comfortable bikes out of my reach.  Also looked at a used SV650s I could afford, but had been dropped, and not even the steering was straight.
   Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.  I'm sure ya'll have more experience and can tell me with which new bike best fits the bill, or which used bikes sell cheap but hold up well.  I hope to make a purchase with a week or so as I have already been looking for almost a month.  Thanks again, can't wait to soon be riding again.

   -Damon

[garry]

A 2002-2004 Triumph Sprint ST can be found for about $5K (lightly used with bags). Pretty much meets all your requirements. Fun and sporty, 50+ MPG, hard luggage, cruises the highways with ease. Bulletproof engine with great linear power. I put 43K+ miles on a 2002 Sprint RS and it was stone axe reliable. Great bikes.

[texasaggie81]

Have seen a couple of the STs, and am very enticed.   I was just unsure of repair and maintenance costs for an English bike.  Heard they were sturdily constructed, but imagined they were expensive to repair when they did break.  Also, with the 50+mpg, is that for the newer fuel-injected bikes or will the carbureted models also perform as well.  This is important as I am counting on the gas savings to pay off the purchase of the bike within a year and a half.  Thanks for replying.

[cjgauthier]

 200 miles a day commute? I admire your ambition, but I think you need to find a friend with a couch.

[Fourstring]

I'm sounding like a broken record here...

Seriously?  Last Gen Concours.  Comes with all the stuff you're looking for (wind protection, bags, etc.) and it's dirt cheap.  Granted, it won't handle like an SV650, but they're pretty nimble for the size.  I get about mid-40's on mileage driving 80 or so on the freeway.

I picked mine up for about two grand OTD, and a moran (sorry, that's how we spell it here) like me can maintain it.  Tires last almost 10k miles or so.  That's cheap!

[texasaggie81]

   Hey guys, thanks for replying.  My little brother is up there, and has a couch, but I try to only take him up on the offer once a week as I like seeing my little girl.  
   I did find a nice 2004 Kawa Connie for $4500.  I had 9K on the odometer, but at that price I thought 109K would have been more likely as these sell for $14K or so new right?  Also I don't think the gas mileage would be quite enough.  Quite a predicament I have here, I know.  I have a car that gets 30mpg, so not sure if braving the elements every day (especially while tired from studies) would be worth it for marginal savings.  If I can get over 50mpg, my gas savings, along with those of my wife commuting in the 30mpg car instead of the truck will make it worthwhile.  
   Is there any way to increase the gas mileage on the bigger bikes even if it sacrifices performance.  Have heard of carb jet spacers to increase performance, but not sure of the validity of this mod and seriously doubt the motor was engineered to run very well on less fuel.  While a rich mixture will just burn more gas and give you a kick in the butt, I'm sure lean condition can cause overheating and other nasty problems.
   I am also hoping to lean a little more on the sporty side of the sport tourers, one for fun, two because they generally get higher mileage due to less mass (and wind protection I'm sure).  

[texasaggie81]

   Also not opposed to riding a cruiser (Vulcan, Shadow Spirit or such), but it seems that as far as economy goes, most cruisers are like the pointlessly large SUVs.  If any of these types of bikes compare well to a real sport tourer and have low maintenence/long life, I would mind riding a wannabe hog, but do prefer something a little sporty.  Especially so since chrome coated plastic wont get nods of approval with just about any cyclist crowd.

[ctfz1]

Used FZ6, ZRX1200, WeeStrom or SV. SV1000 need comfort mods but are not popular, read cheap. used Ninja 650R.  search. a friend looking for good condition KLR650 found an 1100 mile ninja 650r for $3800. (exceptional last Oct.)
They can ask all they like, check local selling prices, lowball and walk away.

[Yuma]

I would agree on the Concours (C-10).  New they were 8.5~10K and you can find them used all across the board. They are bulletproof, and there is help with COG, and on line.
Mileage will be in the 38~48 mpg range depending on your throttle hand.
It has bags and will handle that commute with ease.

But I am a little biased  

Yuma,

[squeezer]

200 miles a day of mostly highway, commuting in all weather, and coming from a metric standard...   Toss my vote in with used Concours crowd.  With your budget, you could get the bike, the gear, insurance, an mp3 player, a cell phone and bluetooth headset to call your daughter from the road, and still have enough left over to replace tires.

The Triumph ST is a good choice in that price range too.  Think that way if you want something sportier, but realize you'd be giving up some room, some weather protection, and taking on chain maintenance once or twice a week.

[photomd]

It depends on your size. If you're on the small side, look for an old Pacific Coast. I a little under 5'8" and it fits me great. It's got a good shaft, hydrolic lifters and gets fairly good mileage...if you can find one.

Another option is an old ST1100 or Connie; whichever appeals to you. The Connie will be cheaper, but sometimes it's hard to put a price on the   factor.

Another bike I've always considered if I were going to burn up miles for cheap would be the last generation Honda Nighthawk. You can put Givi's on it, a windshield and rack up the miles. It's easy to service; hydrolic lifters, and an engine that's been arould forever and is known as a reliable unit. It's not the prettiest, but it will get you there on the cheap.

[spd2918]

I would agree on the Concours (C-10).  New they were 8.5~10K and you can find them used all across the board. They are bulletproof, and there is help with COG, and on line.
Mileage will be in the 38~48 mpg range depending on your throttle hand.
It has bags and will handle that commute with ease.

But I am a little biased  

Yuma,

+1

[cbsnbiker]

Looking at the title of your thread, my first thought was the previous-generation Connie. However, you want more gas mileage than it will give you.

The Wee Strom (V-Strom 650) is a viable option. It will yield 50+ MPG on the highway, and otherwise meets your needs fairly well.

If you want even higher gas mileage, I'll observe that I'm getting 65 MPG on my F650GS....

[Nodaclu]

I did find a nice 2004 Kawa Connie for $4500.  I had 9K on the odometer, but at that price I thought 109K would have been more likely as these sell for $14K or so new right?

Had to jump in on this part real quick.

The all new Concours 14 retails for $12,899. As the previous generation Concours was aging, it's price was kept very low. I can't remember MSRP off hand, but it was in the $8,500 range, and I had a dealer on the California coast (where *everything* is expensive) practically begging me to take his new 05 model off his hands. It was listed at $7,495.

So the 04 Connie you found was likely legit at 9K miles, and $4,500 is probably about right for the part of the country you're in. If the gas mileage works for you, I'd give that bike another look.

Or if you don't, maybe I will.....

[gamountains]

You cant go wrong with either the Conni. or the Sprint ST but  I'm bias to the Sprint. I do know that you can turn that 100 mile comute in to a 55 minute ride on the Sprint.  

[veefer800canuck]

   -Good gas mileage (upwards of 55mpg) 70+ from Ninja 250 is tempting

The Ninja 250 you mentioned would get great mileage, but I don't think you'd really enjoy riding it 3+ hours per day at 75 MPH on the highway.


My wife's little VTR250 Interceptor starts to feel a little breathless at 70 MPH and absolute top speed is 100-105 MPH, so it's quite a busy little bike at those speeds.


I mean, it'll do it, but something that ticks over at ~4500 RPM at 60 MPH would be preferable to ~7000 RPM. Your comfort as a rider whilst commuting is a big factor.


Now if you had an hour commute on CITY STREETS, then yeah, the Ninjette is a no-brainer!

[servicerifle]

Even as a Sprint owner I think I'll cast my vote for the Connie or the Pacific Coast in your case.  They are the ultimate "cheap" distance commuters.

[USA MEDIC]

weestrom or connie +1

[texasaggie81]

Thanks for all the replies,
   Forgot to add that I'm 5'11 and 215lbs.  I will give the Connie another look, but am still leaning   towards something a little sportier and a little bit more gas mileage.  But I definitely understand the comfort and maintenence benefits of this bike.  That being said every time someone says Ninja 500 or GS500/650F my pulse quickens a bit.  I try to justify it with the gas mileage, but honestly I've never owned a sport bike, only ridden an older EX500 and found it awfully quick but easy to handle with much more room to explore.  Are there any bikes in this price reange that would be close to the comfort level of the Connie, easy to maintain (honda, Kawa, Yamaha?), but get more mileage and be a little sportier.  For some reason I have this lovely picture of a YZF600R dancing in my head, and wanted to know if any of you have touring experience with this bike, or if it's just referred to more as a tourer by the sportbike crowd.  If the latter is true I let it go and buy smart, actually buy what I need.  Thanks again.
    -Damon

[RBEmerson]

I do fairly regular 250-325 mile one day commutes on a '99 Concours without a problem.  I mix the route up between slabs and back roads (partly because I-95 is currently being improved and partly because... why not?  ) and the bike does it all well.  With the C10's fairing, riding in the 30's is much easier than with bikes with less protection and, as long as the bike's moving riding in the upper 80's to mid 90's is tolerable even in full (mesh) gear. 

I assume 40 MPG (on regular, BTW) for planning purposes although it varies with the traffic and throttle hand.  Tires... Metzler ME880's work well with this bike.  The center of the tread has a "lasts forever" compound while the shoulders have a stickier compound.  I got 20K out of the last set (actually nursed them out to almost 22K but really should have changed them at 20-21K).  Add an Audiovox CCS-100 cruise control and you're set. 

I'd recommend looking at a '95 Concours on; there was a major model update in '94 and a few odds and ends weren't sorted out until later in '95.  The pre '94's are good bikes but, IMHO, the later edition offers better value for money (better brakes, for example). 

Added:
Re-reading your comments on mileage and hopes to use the savings to pay for the bike.  Uh... not really a good bet to think the difference between car and bike mileage will pay for the bike.  There are too many variables (not the least of which is the cost of gas) to make this really work.  "Help pay for some of the bike" works, but all of the bike?  Nah. 

Depending on your bike savvy and general confidence, think about looking at bikes coming onto the market in places where winter riding is limited.  There are lots of "gotta make the tuition bill" sales happening, too.  Buying a bike 1000 miles from home is certainly a crapshoot, but it might just a) get you a good deal and b) get you a nice long ride. 

[bikerfish1100]

Re-reading your comments on mileage and hopes to use the savings to pay for the bike.  Uh... not really a good bet to think the difference between car and bike mileage will pay for the bike.  There are too many variables (not the least of which is the cost of gas) to make this really work.  "Help pay for some of the bike" works, but all of the bike?  Nah. 

I always get a big chuckle out of the "i want a bike to cut my gas costs" line of reasoning. I hear it quite a bit now from studentsin the MSF classes. Have you priced tires for a bike lately? And considered how long they're NOT going to last?
Get a bike cuz you want it, not cuz it's gonna net you massive transportation savings over a car (especially if you still keep the car).

[Rincewind]

If gas mileage is key, I would suggest looking for a used BMW F650CS.  Not only does it apparently get good mileage (+50 mpg, I believe), it also has a belt final drive.

The Sprint would be a hella lot more fun, though!

[JamesG]

You ought to come down here and buy my YZF.
Its a perfect turn-key medium sport tourer.  Just add gas and go.  

[cbsnbiker]

Get a bike cuz you want it, not cuz it's gonna net you massive transportation savings over a car (especially if you still keep the car).

That's really the key. A bike might save one money if one gets rid of the car. It's almost guaranteed not to do so if one keeps the car.

[JamesG]

Unless you really like riding and are not afraid to ride when its less than nice.  I put less than 5K miles on my truck a year...

[jhawk]

   -Low Price ($3000 to $5000) maybe a little more if I bring home flowers that day
   -Good gas mileage (upwards of 55mpg) 70+ from Ninja 250 is tempting
   -Comfortable (1 1/2hr trip each way, all highway, 75mph, but generally light traffic, half of it semis)
   -Decent performance (yes, I ride bikes because they're fun too.  this is why I started the crusade to remount)
   -Would like to add rainproof hard case without killing lines of the bike
   -Durability (over the next three years I will probably rack up 60K+ miles
 

A 3-4 year old Concours fits 5 out of your 6 critera very well. Mileage is a little lower than your figures, but it's not unreasonable to expect 50mpg from a Concours. They are certainly durable, and bargain priced. (the local BMW shop had an '03 with 9K miles for $3500). A used Connie is much less likely to have been abused than a 600cc sport bike. IMO

[Clair]

Honda ST1100 will get you around 48 mpg assuming you're averaging 75-ish on your commutes. That's what I get on mine.

Ninja 500 might also work.

V-STrom 650 if you're not too interested in a lot of 2-up

SV650 is also another option

[Elseanno]

The Concours is a great deal and likely a comfortable commuter particularly if you get an aftermarket seat & risers. You needn't pay more than $3500 for a nice Connie. You will need to learn to do valve adjustments for the bike as the valves are 'supposed' to be adjusted every 6K and need adjusting nome more than every 12K.

I love my Connie, but think there are plenty of bikes out there V-stroms 650/1000 Fz1, Fz6, Bandit 600 (not sure the 1200 gets over 40mpg but neither does connie) The sprint sounds like a good option.

I'm envious. I don't get to ride like I used to. Good luck!

Elseanno

[cultureslayer]

Ninja 250 or 500.

With new fork springs and maybe a new rear shock if you are on the heavy side, they are better on the highway than most people think.  The 250 will perform at least as good as a car and you shouldn't really be going much above 80 anyways (top speed is over 100, and trust me you CAN get speeding tickets on the highway on a 250).  I should have some idea as my 250 has over 14k miles on it (bought it with 540 miles on it in December of 2005, started riding in January 2006).  Putting on a 15t front sprocket (stock is 14) makes a HUGE difference.  Lowers the cruising RPMs so I can keep up with traffic at 73ish mph and it's only at about 8k rpms.  One of the 250 forum mods has the same year bike as me (2003) and over 60k on his so I am expecting it to last a while.

They are nice and cool to ride as well.  That's a BIG advantage in texas with the temps you will see.  The 250 can get a little  warm, but the 636 feels like a furnace between my legs.

Another consideration is tire cost.  You can get a set of ST66 tires that fit the 250 and will give you ~10k miles for $100 (assuming you check tire pressure regularly).  I order WIX filters for about $5 each (www.rockauto.com) and use Rotella T syn (a gallon is $16.24 and will last you 2 oil changes or 8k miles).  

Right now I just have soft bags but I am considering either a custom luggage rack so I can mount side and top hard cases or one of the rubbermaid action packer containers for a dirt cheap approach.

[killerST6]

Honda ST will get you 45+Mpg, handles well with good power and will not get blown off the road on your long commutes.

[canada goose]

BMW K75S, if you can find a decent one. Cheap, comfy, has luggage, above average fuel economy.

Ken

[bikerfish1100]

BMW K75S, if you can find a decent one. Cheap, comfy, has luggage, above average fuel economy.

Ken

umm, you forgot "bulletproof".

[USA MEDIC]

PM Goldylocks, he has toured from CA to South Dakota and elsewhere on a YZF600 yamaha

[HappyRiding]

I have an '02 ST1100. I usually get around 55mpg. Although it's 700 pounds of curb weight, it feels much lighter as soon as my feet are on the pegs. I got 13,000 miles on my last set of tires and have had no mechanical issues. It has good weather protection and weathertight luggage. It is stable in windy conditions and when passing semi trucks and RVs. Most older ST1100s will already have had a more comfortable saddle and windshield added. Can you tell I might be a bit bias? I get to work looking like " " instead of " " since I started commuting everyday on my Big Little Honda.
 

[RBEmerson]

Speaking of Connies, there's an ad on this site... linky

Doh... and there's another Connie ad (no idea if it's still on the market but what's it hurt to ask?): linky, too.  Gotta warn you this one is "Amaranth Red Micah" or what most folks would call purple.  

This is a picture of my "Barney purple" '99, just to give an idea of the color.

[texasaggie81]

Thanks guys,
   Ya'll are a wealth of information.  I REALLY WANT A BIKE.  Just wanted to get that out there.  If the gas savings pay the note, then it's a sell with the wifey, who thinks I should just wait until I graduate and reward myself.  To me that just means 3yrs less riding experience and fun.  Even though my four previous bikes were old, cheap and beat up, it really hurt every time I let them go, and I spent the next several months asking myself why (it broke down, had to move, etc) and devising a plan to get back on.  So that's what it's really about, getting back on a motorcycle, because I love to ride.
   Luckily, this time I have a case, and have more reason to convince my wife with than just the fact that the motorcycle bug has bit me, again.  My original thought was to buy a ninjette or $2K used bike, as the first year's savings in gas would pay for it and a nice weekend with the wife, keeping her very happy(very important).  I realize that for the amount of time I am going to spend on the bike I should invest in something much more comfortable, and simply would like to retain as much of the mileage and price advantage that I can.  I know that when it comes to things I love and want, I can very easily go overboard (say, run out and buy a new interceptor) and my darling wife will very quickly slam the door.  I respect her opinion, so I have to be sensible.
   I would be very interested in the used YZF I saw posted above, as most that I have seen in the area appear as though the PO bought it mistakenly thinking it was an R6 and flogged it thoroughly.  Besides that I'm leaning heavily towards the big brother ninja(500) as a local dealer has a deal on their old stock, but wonder how much on top of MSRP hard cases would run.  I have been looking up your recommendations, and comparing used prices of each, and still haven't quite found what I'm looking for, although the YZ600 seems pretty close.  I've read that the motor is really peaky for the type of bike, and would prefer something like the SV650 twin.  Thanks again for all the help, will keep checking craigslist and such.
   -Damon

[Ant]

Eeeeeeww.... purple  

[Yankee Dog]

OK, one more arguments for the Connie along with a short plug for the Trumpets.  

One thing to remember is that you are going to be riding 200 miles a day.  You really should stick to something with decent weather and wind protection.  Also, the Connie is not exactly a race bike, but performance wise I dont think I would call it anemic.  

Also think about ergos.  You are coming off an old cruiser correct?  The riding poistion on a sport bike, even a Connie is a lot different from what you are used to.

One last word about Triumphs.  My 2000 RS got about 52 mpg.  My 2004 RS gets about 48.  I believe the 955 STs are about the same.  The Triumph reliablity is great or I wouldnt be on my 3rd one.  The cost of repair when you do have a problem is about the same as any Japanese bike.  

Rubber is going to be a big cost.  Go with ME 880s.  A lot of people say they are too hard.  But you can get 12,000 miles vs. 3,000 for sport bike tires.  And as long as you are not grinding your pegs they will be just fine.  

Yankee Dog

[cultureslayer]

Damon,

Are you talking about a top case, or side cases as well for thte 500?  There are racks you can buy for about $150 and a JC whitney trunk, or do the same rubbermaid action packer idea as with the 250.

The nice thing is that they are inline twin so the power delivery is very even, cheap to insure, and hold value VERY well.  In fact, I've seen 1995s listed for $2k with a few flaws.  What they sell for is something else, but it's not like a supersport where once the newer model comes out no one will want yours anymore.

[RBEmerson]

[...]Rubber is going to be a big cost.  Go with ME 880s.  A lot of people say they are too hard.  But you can get 12,000 miles vs. 3,000 for sport bike tires.  And as long as you are not grinding your pegs they will be just fine.  
[...]

Er, I stand by my claim of "20K on ME880's".  When they came off, the wear bars were hinting at showing up but the real down-check was general tread depth was below PA state inspection minimums (my measurement, not someone who wanted to sell me tires) so I said "party over".  And that was after 20K.  

The tire is a sandwich of two different compounds, sticky on the shoulders and firmer in the middle.  It's the combination of better grip when leaned in combined with longer wear while standing up (and let's face it, even if all you ever did was city riding driving around blocks, more riding is done standing up then leaning on turns) than makes the tire a long-distance winner.  In terms of overall stability, I can put Barney into a turn and not have to worry about bumps or changes in the road sending the line off in some exciting direction.  Riding on milled roads and grated bridges, there's little or no twitchiness, unlike some bikes where it's been Toad's Wild Ride on even worn-down milling.  I prefer not to ride in the wet but I do it when I must and the tires weren't a problem there.  

Which is not to say the ME880 is the ultimate canyon carver tire for the daily commute, too, but it's certainly a good choice if the alternative is maybe getting 4-5K out of a set of sticky o-rings.  

P.S.  FWIW, the tires seen in the picture are ME880's.  I can't recall how many miles were on the tires when the picture was taken.  

[texasaggie81]

   I'm thinking about putting two hard (weatherproof) cases, one on each side.  Bookbag will go in one, lunch, change of clothes, raingear and such can probably go up top or in a tank bag.  Also, another dumb question, but needs to be asked anyhow.  Has anyone carried their laptop regularly on their bike.  It is already in a pretty soft and sturdy Targus bag, then I would probably put it in the second hard case with a towel or blanket wrapped around it to dampen more of the vibration.  Pretty much have to have it to run CAD and Mathematica programs.  
   As far as the bike goes I would like it to be comfortable, but I'm still 26 and willing to sacrifice some degree of comfort for gas mileage and sportiness.  I think I am leaning towards the EX500, but stopped by a Honda dealer yesterday that still has an '06 599 in stock that I'm sure I can talk them down on.  Thanks again,
   -Damon

[texasaggie81]

One more consideration:
   Another advantage to having the bike is I will be able to park in the motorcycle spots on campus that are right in front of overy building.  This however means driving around campus a lot(which beats walking around this 2sq mi campus), and thus navigating through pedestrian traffic.  I am used to smaller bikes and would hate to flatten some cute sorority girl with a big purple dinosaur.  So I guess I'm really looking for a jack of all trades.
   -Damon

[squeezer]

   Also, another dumb question, but needs to be asked anyhow.  Has anyone carried their laptop regularly on their bike.  It is already in a pretty soft and sturdy Targus bag, then I would probably put it in the second hard case with a towel or blanket wrapped around it to dampen more of the vibration.  (snip)

A lot of us carry laptops regularly and generally suffer no ill effects.  Be careful when purchasing side bags, however.  Most won't hold a typical laptop case.

I carry mine in the topcase on the back.  The computer fits in a Targus Port laptop case/briefcase that lays down in a Givi 52 like it was custom made.  I cut some foam from the packing that my son's laptop was shipped in to lay on the bottom and absorb some of the bumps.  I can't really say that it makes a difference, but I feel better about it.

[ctfz1]

YZF600R is known for low and midrange FZ600 and R6  screamers.
Used Ninja 650R twin would be better fit, more modern, and more fun, can get 60 mpg.
JCWhitney offers cheap luggage.
Connie or ST good.

[Grainbelt]

NINJA 650 R

Yes. I'm biased. But it really is a great middleweight tourer. Fuel injected, over 50mpg at 80mph, full range of touring accessories available, and just plain fun.

Just took mine thru the Canadian Rockies last weekend, 2300kms (1500 mi) in 3 days. The folks I was riding with were somewhat perplexed at the roll-on power the 650R has --  6-10k rpms is an absolute carnival ride.

[Grainbelt]

One more consideration:
    navigating through pedestrian traffic.  I am used to smaller bikes and would hate to flatten some cute sorority girl with a big purple dinosaur.  So I guess I'm really looking for a jack of all trades.
   -Damon

One more plus for the 650R - stock bars mean lots of leverage.

I ride mine on dirt, gravel, in town, on the highway, and recently hit some very serious twisties. Check the pic above for the riding position - very neutral. Fuel injection is smooth, it pulls clean from 2k up in 1st for very simple low speed maneuvering. 

You can find one used in your price range.  Check grainbelt.smugmug.com for pictures of my various uses and abuses of the 650R

*edit* just saw laptop question: mine fits in the GIVI E470 pictured above, no problem. I have a decent laptop case and don't worry about it.

[birdrunner]

Thanks guys,

   I would be very interested in the used YZF I saw posted above, as most that I have seen in the area appear as though the PO bought it mistakenly thinking it was an R6 and flogged it thoroughly.  Besides that I'm leaning heavily towards the big brother ninja(500) as a local dealer has a deal on their old stock, but wonder how much on top of MSRP hard cases would run.  I have been looking up your recommendations, and comparing used prices of each, and still haven't quite found what I'm looking for, although the YZ600 seems pretty close.  I've read that the motor is really peaky for the type of bike, and would prefer something like the SV650 twin.  Thanks again for all the help, will keep checking craigslist and such.
   -Damon

Performance wise,  the YZF will eat the Ninja 500.   It also has better weather protection.

[UHOH]

if I were going to put  200 miles a day on, with a schedule to meet, I'd probably look for a shaft drive to minimize maintenance.  
The concours would do.

 As you know, the chain clean/lube doesn't actually take that much time at all, but doing it 2x a week will make it seem like it does.
Having said that look at a Suz Bandit 1200, 2001 - 2005.  affordable.  
You'll like the power / comfort; more fun than the heavier full sport touring concours.
If you go kinda sorta with traffic flow, you should get 50 mpg; met a rider who did.  

Must admit, I'd probably get a used small car, but it wouldn't be near the fun on the nice days.

have a good time, good luck.   sounds like a fun period in your life.

[Beavah]

Posted by: texasaggie81

I've read that the motor is really peaky for the type of bike, and would prefer something like the SV650 twin.

The Wee Strom has the engine you would prefer.
Good seating position with taller visibility over most traffic.
Many luggage options.
Can easily cruise at 80mph+ all day.
I regularly get close to 60 mpg per tank.

Given your criteria I would still have to go with a Connie.

[Cpl Punishment]

Get a Harley.  

[FiremanBob]

If you really want to save $$ and are willing to put some time into finding a good one, a 1980s Honda V45 Sabre or 650/700SC Nighthawk in excellent shape can be had for $1500 or less. The Sabre would be my first choice: V4, shaft drive, water-cooled, 6-speed (good long overdrive for those highway miles), and with a good windscreen or small fairing can easily get 50 mpg or more.  Properly maintained these engines will laugh at 100K miles.  The Nighthawk is similar but inline-4 and air-cooled.

There are a bunch of really well-loved Sabres out there (and a lot of junk to beware of on ebay and CL). I found my V65 on CL for $1500 and it's been fantastic - nearly 15K miles in 17 months. Spare parts are plentiful aftermarket or ebay. There are several very knowledgeable guys in the Houston area whom you can find on the v4hondabbs.com forum.

[Nodaclu]

Get a Harley.  

Hmmm....well, the first rubber mounted Sportsters (2004) are out there near the higher end of his price range, I get 52-56 mpg, hard bags (and a Givi top case could be added, which doubles as a backrest if you go with a solo seat and rack). The 883 cruises happily at 75 all day long, the 1200 at 85 all day long. Of the four bikes I've owned, it's easily the most comfortable one of the bunch, and the only one I can do a 500 mile day on.

Now, there was no way in hell I was going to bring the idea of a Harley up, but since you were so nice to mention it.....  

[texasaggie81]

   My brother in law has one very much like that, a 1200 custom (with forward controls).  It is very nice, and would love to have one.  Have yet to find an affordable one, but keeping my eyes peeled, especially knowing now that they are capable of 55mpg.  
   I still have not yet found a good bike, but am daily looking more and more at classifieds as I'm sure I can get a lot more used.  After first looking around at what was available I soon decided I wanted to buy a new bike due to the number of mistreated bikes(especially sport bikes) there are out there.  I now realize I would have to spend well over $5K to buy a new bike that would be comfortable enough on the highway.  I know how important this is as regardless of how cheap or frugal it may be, if I don't want to ride it on most days, it doesn't matter.
   I tried to find a good Honda V4, but haven't found any in Texas.  I would like to go buy a Ninja 650R after reading many great things about the bike and riding position, but don't think we can afford one.  I'm still halfway tempted to get a 250/500 and just rough it, but I've heard the smaller Kawas will burn oil when pushed on the highway.  Any more guidance will be welcome as I hope to find a bike within the next week, but am trying to be patience and find a good one.  Thanks,
   -Damon

[Oldbindlestiff]

...the Connie or the WeeStrom  (DL-650).  The '07 1000cc VStrom can also be found at bargain prices.  Better forks; de-tuned TL1000 engine; lot's of grunt.  Either of the VStroms are ugly enough to have lot's of character.  Both bikes ar bulletproof.  But, I am biased; I'm riding a 650!  If you can find a Connie of recent vintage at a good price, go for it.  They will run forever.  (And, they are not pretty, either.)

Best of luck.  I love shopping for a new motorcycle!

[1KPerDay]

Add a 1995 Kawasaki GPz1100 to your list. Much smoother than the Connie, more power, lighter. For LONG commuting in all kinds of weather, though... the connie would be my choice. Actually a Honda ST1100 would be my choice. The connie does vibrate quite a bit, and getting the fairings off for maintenance is a pain.

The sportster ain't a bad choice, either... belt drive, no chain maintenance, great gas mileage (lousy tank capacity, though), no valve adjusts, sounds and looks good, tires last for freakin' ever, sorority chick appeal.

[tarosean]

   I tried to find a good Honda V4, but haven't found any in Texas.  I would like to go buy a Ninja 650R after reading many great things about the bike and riding position, but don't think we can afford one.

Where are you looking???? CraigsList has tons of cheap motorcycles I have seen quite a few VFR's (V4) cheap and other Tourers, etc... for sale.

I make about the opposite commute from Madisonville into Jersey Village.

[VFR_Serenity]

I can't believe that nobody has mentioned the Gen2 and 3 VFR's.  (1990-97 for US residents)

They meet the criteria and there is no reason to be afraid of them being 10-15 years old as the Honda VFR's V-4 engine is good to nearly 200K miles if treated well and kept up per the manual.  

Used VFR's go for next to nothing because people turn their noses up at bikes over 10 years old so you can pick them up for a song but because of the nature of the bike they were mostly ADULT driven and cared for instead of being thrashed by kids and squids.  I've seen some sweet 94-ish VFR's for sale for under $4K that looked showroom new.  This was the top of the line medium sport-touring rig of the day and will serve anyone well today just as well as they did when all the cycle rags raved about their superiority.  I currently ride a '98 (the first of the Fuel-injected VFR's) but I wouldn't be ashamed of riding the older 750 as the bike is nearly as good and cheaper to maintain since it isn't so full of wiz-bang gizmos like linked brakes, EFI and such.  In the long run an old normally-aspirated VFR will be running long after something expensive and complicated on my '98 breaks and makes it not worth fixing.

Put a set of GIVI bags and a SW_Motech rack on the rear and add a soft tail bag and a nice expanding magnetic tank bag and you've got a sport-touring bike that nobody would be ashamed of riding and will be rock-solid reliable for decades as long as you keep up the factory-required maintenance (cheaper than even new bikes -all bikes require routine maintenance and the older bikes are actually EASIER to keep up.)

[texasaggie81]

Howdy again guys,
   I did not realize the V4s you were referring to were the Interceptors.  Will now start to keep my eyes open for them as well.  When a Honda V4 was mentioned above I immediately thought of the old V45 Sabre.  I imagine this was the predecessor of the modern Interceptor.  Was under the impression that the Interceptor was more performance minded, more maintenance, less gas mileage and such.  Thanks for the insight, will check them out.  
   -Damon

[bandit-o]

haven't seen this one mentioned yet but the 2nd Gen Bandit 600S is a great 600cc sport-tourer.  I regularly get 48-50mpg and it's hasn't given me one problem yet.  My commute is about 25 miles each way but can take as much as 45 minutes but the bandit has been fine for that kind of daily ride.  I've been up to 9 hours on it with no problems.






I might even be coaxed down to low $2k to sell  

[texasaggie81]

Nice Bandit,
   Have seen a couple, and most are cheap as well, but often with higher miles than I'm looking for.  If you were any closer to Texas I would have to take you up on it for $2K.  How do the bandits handle long 85mph trips?

[Cpl Punishment]

Bandits are cheap but their finish isn't very long lasting...

In the UK, Kawasaki had a bike called the GT750. Shaft drive, very, very cheap, comfy, reliable, crap finish. If it was sold in the US it would be called a Z750 or similar. Incredibly cheap biking.

[Fun Dog]

Aprilia Futura.  How many times do I have to say it?

Can get one these days for between 5 or 6 thousand with about 10K miles on the speedo.

Liter V-twin.  Hard Bags.  Minimum 160 mile tank range.  Very good handling.  Best stock seat in the business.  Looks cool as all get out (whatever the fuck that means).

Don't fear the avocado!

[ctfz1]

Buell XB9R firebolt 2003 63,000 miles $3000 nasville
Idiots buy Ninja 650Rs for wrong reasons or friends disrespect it, Rider found one must sell he low balled at $ 3800 last OCT. 1100 miles.
Watch for repeat listings.
2 Concours under 25,000 miles $3800 one CT one CA.
check for locals http://advrider.com, http://sportbikes.net, http://badweatherbikers.com, http://stromtroopers.com http://Kawi Forums

[1KPerDay]

Aprilia Futura.  How many times do I have to say it?

Until everyone in the world buys an Aprilia Futura, apparently.

[rkrayton2000]

I love my 2004 ninja 500ex and have successfully turned it to and st bought my for $2300 cash with only 1400 miles on it. Only mods is heated grips, tank bag and a good friend of mine put a generator from a 2001 zzr 1200 and fabracated a spot for a more powerful battery which can now power my vest and radar detector. Only problem I cannot find hard bags to fit. but givi sells a top case that will fit and the Journey 42 liter top bag fits on the passenger seat if you are not riding 2-up and gets right at 50mpg fully loaded. People yell at me about the 500cc but I can keep up with anything on the road except at insane speeds (I bearly top 80mph most time) so if you don't plan on commuting at triple digit speeds it is a very good bike. Also my brother swears by his honda interceptor it has more engine you might have to get a model in the 90s to meet your price range but he does 500 mile days on it easily. Good Luck

[bandit-o]

Nice Bandit,
   Have seen a couple, and most are cheap as well, but often with higher miles than I'm looking for.  If you were any closer to Texas I would have to take you up on it for $2K.  How do the bandits handle long 85mph trips?

I can only speak for the 600cc but it does 85-90mph extended no problem.  For the money it's a great entry-level/intermediate sport-tourer.  It's very stable at speed (read heavy-ish) but can lean just fine in the twisties.  Decent wind protection and plenty of room in the back for soft or hard luggage - it really is a great do-it-all bike.  The engines in these things are nearly bulletproof and will last easily into the 1xx,xxx range if properly maintained.

[texasaggie81]

Okay guys,
   Thanks for all the replies.  After much research, much looking at CS etc, and finding many decent bikes that were just a little too much, I think I am back where I started.  I originally wanted to just buy an EX250 and save on gas, have fun, improve my skills, and then buy something nice when I graduate.  However, I realized this probably wouldnt be the most comfortable for 200 mile days.
  Ya'll stepped in and pointed me in many good directions, but I have found a slightly used Ninja 250R at an absolutely unbeatable price.  I am willing to sacrifice comfort in order to have something with this gas mileage, this cheap, and that I won't fret about dropping.  Just have two questions before I go pick it up:

1. What is the life of the engine before rebuild with proper maintainence, and how much would a rebuild run, or could I do it myself (mechanically inclined, used to work in a brake shop)?

2.  Can these be made into semi-decent tourers, as in carrying two backs and still driving through rain?

Thanks for the help,

   -Damon

[cultureslayer]

Okay guys,
   Thanks for all the replies.  After much research, much looking at CS etc, and finding many decent bikes that were just a little too much, I think I am back where I started.  I originally wanted to just buy an EX250 and save on gas, have fun, improve my skills, and then buy something nice when I graduate.  However, I realized this probably wouldnt be the most comfortable for 200 mile days.
  Ya'll stepped in and pointed me in many good directions, but I have found a slightly used Ninja 250R at an absolutely unbeatable price.  I am willing to sacrifice comfort in order to have something with this gas mileage, this cheap, and that I won't fret about dropping.  Just have two questions before I go pick it up:

1. What is the life of the engine before rebuild with proper maintainence, and how much would a rebuild run, or could I do it myself (mechanically inclined, used to work in a brake shop)?

2.  Can these be made into semi-decent tourers, as in carrying two backs and still driving through rain?

Thanks for the help,

   -Damon

The 250 forum is a GREAT resource.  I'd suggest fitting a rubbermaid action packer on the rear.

Engine life depends on maintenance.  Mine's at 15k and just now feels like it's really broken in.  I do need to synch the carbs (haven't ever) but as long as you keep up with the bike I've heard of the engines lasting to 80k.  Getting an engine to swap in from a wrecked bike is usually cheaper than a rebuild since they run about $500 off of ebay or less.

The 250 forum also has great info on tires.  I put my own on and have a ST66 and gt501s right now, but one of the touring guys uses me880s if you are more concerned with life than lots of grip.

Also, the FIRST thing you should do for the highway is get a 15t front sprocket.  Lowers it so 9k rpm cruising at slightly over 80 indicated.

It's not a good two up tourer, but as cheap as they are you can find one over the winter for the wife/kids to ride.

Also, you NEED to get stiffer springs and thicker fork oil.  Trust me.  Best $100 you will ever spend.  First thing I changed on mine, with less than 500 miles on the stockers.

[VFR_Serenity]

The baby ninja is a good bike and a great choice for a starter bike.  It's great because even an advanced rider can have fun on it.  Just don't be afraid to ring its little neck out a bit.  The engine is designed to run at high RPS's ALL THE TIME.  Keep it over 8K and it will have enough power for any street situation.

As far a durability, don't worry about it too much.  They will go for many thousands of miles as long as you keep up with the servicing (don't neglect valve clearance checks and you will be fine).  Once they get old enough to actually break something major it's not really worth rebuilding as the cost in parts/labor is more than you can find a good deal on a nice lower mileage one.  The bike has been the same since the early 90's so there are tons of them out there for cheap. Many have less than 5K on them.

The biggest issue I have with the Baby Ninja as a sport-tourer is the difficulty in mounting hard bags such as GIVI's to it.  It CAN be done but you have to mod up the racks yourself.  It's not hard.  Look at a set of SW_motech mounts and there isn't much to them (especially if you don't care if the mounts themselves are quick-dismount like the SW_Motech units. You can buy the GIVI bag spools and upper mount for $20 at TwistedThrottle.com and then mount them to some aluminum flat-plate donuts and then run some fabricated aluminum pipe mounts to 3 likely mounting spots.

Running with soft baggage is an option but they SUCK if you do any serious ST riding as getting water inside and wet gear ruins your whole trip.  Hard bags are a must IMHO.  GIVI's are sweet.  

Good luck on the EX250.  It's a sweet little bike.

[cultureslayer]

That's why I mentioned the action packer.  It's waterproof, cheap and easy to mount to the 250.  Doesn't look the best but for commuting it's great.  I'm going to make one soon.  You can adjust the attachment to the cargo hooks so that it's secure at speed but you can push down on it to take it off or lock it and leave it on.

Edited to add link, but there are many other variations of this:

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Tail_bag

[Russellr.1]

First Generation Concours. Did I mention a Concours? Seriouslly, I have had many bikes and I hope to have some others, but I can honestly say it is the best motorcycle I have owned for the money. The only down sides to the Concours would be it is a little hot in traffic in the summer, and it is top heavy and hard to manuver at slow speeds until you get used to it.

[vitaminC]

   I'm still halfway tempted to get a 250/500 and just rough it, but I've heard the smaller Kawas will burn oil when pushed on the highway.  

This is definitely true, but it's not really a big deal. Just check it regularly...

I've got a big windscreen mounted on mine, and that has really helped with the wind protection at speed, plus I added some huge bar-end weights to dampen the buzz while cruising. I think swapping the front sprocket is definitely the way to go, I just don't feel like doing the work right now. The PO upgraded the forks and shock, so I can't really say how the stock bike rides, but with these mods it's pretty comfy going down the road.

One other alternative: get a 250-400cc scooter   They may not have the "cool" factor of a motorcycle, but they will get the MPG you want, have tons of storage, and you might be surprised how sporty they are!

[cultureslayer]

It takes about 15 mins to change the front sprocket.  They are $14.

Between that and switching to rotella syn I just put a little extra in and don't have to add any between changes (but still check regularly).

[panther289]

  Have had 0 to nil problems with oil on my 87 EX500. As for the ride, changed the front springs and put new shock on rear. Rides fine with 50#'s of gear. Granted it's a 1987, but, it goes where I need it to.

[Cpl Punishment]

Some of my best log distance rides were on 250's. One of these was a Jawa 250-not known for quality then, was CZ. It is possible to ride 200 mile or more days. They can run out of steam on hills-but they get you there.

[ctfz1]

In 1971 bought my first new bike. CL350 Honda. Changed oil every 1,000 miles, Exon oil mostly. Went 35,000 miles in 10 months.
Tear down at 30,000 (I kept forgetting cam chain adjuster, burned valve).
Dealer found interns all in spec, original pistons and rings like new.
With a water cooled 250 and reasonable care 100,000 miles seems right.
I'd use Rotella and change every 2,000 for luck, Walmart car filter. $8+2

[cultureslayer]

In 1971 bought my first new bike. CL350 Honda. Changed oil every 1,000 miles, Exon oil mostly. Went 35,000 miles in 10 months.
Tear down at 30,000 (I kept forgetting cam chain adjuster, burned valve).
Dealer found interns all in spec, original pistons and rings like new.
With a water cooled 250 and reasonable care 100,000 miles seems right.
I'd use Rotella and change every 2,000 for luck, Walmart car filter. $8+2

I use rotella t in my 250.  Definitely what I'd suggest, dino or syn.

Also, last time I ordered www.rockauto.com had WIX filters for the 250 for $4.50 each.  I ordered 6, a few for the other ninja, some for the parents' van, and some spark plugs (I'm going to get the iridium next time to see what difference it makes) and shipping was only $6 for the whole thing.  If you'll be doing a lot of riding it might be worth the extra buck every 3k miles for a little peace of mind.  It is for me.

I changed to WIX filters the same time I put on the 15t sprocket so I'm not sure if the increased oil flow has anything to do with not burning oil anymore.

[vitaminC]

It takes about 15 mins to change the front sprocket.  They are $14.

That's it?? Where? Will definitely have to look into that, 'cause I hate the buzz on the highway.

[oldmanweirdon]

Bandits are cheap but their finish isn't very long lasting...

In the UK, Kawasaki had a bike called the GT750. Shaft drive, very, very cheap, comfy, reliable, crap finish. If it was sold in the US it would be called a Z750 or similar. Incredibly cheap biking.

are we talking like 20 years ago they had this bike, cause that might be the Kawasaki Zephyr.  Pretty much every 750 air-cooled standard from the 80's.

[cultureslayer]

That's it?? Where? Will definitely have to look into that, 'cause I hate the buzz on the highway.

JT makes a front sprocket that'll fit.  Every single motorcycle store can order them for you through parts unlimited.

The most time consuming part for me was cleaning the chain first, and then adjusting the chain tension after the fact.  5 bolts to get the cover off, and 2 on the sprocket.

[panther289]

JT makes a front sprocket that'll fit.  Every single motorcycle store can order them for you through parts unlimited.

The most time consuming part for me was cleaning the chain first, and then adjusting the chain tension after the fact.  5 bolts to get the cover off, and 2 on the sprocket.

Basically the same as changing the ex500.  

[gunz]

After reading this whole thread, i still think you should lean towards the old concours. i just sold moine to go a bit sportier, But let me tell you, Its very comfortable ( i did 1147 miles in 22 hours on my connie with a stock seat and minimal additions) They are a great all around bike. Good wind proetection. Huge saddle bags, (great for hauling books and the like)  I just cant say enough good about them. They are a little dated, but its a real reliabel drivetrain. 1000CC shaft drive, 6 speed. i got about 45 MPG standard on mine fully loaded with over 1000lbs total. The  almost 8 gallon gas tank makes it great for the lnog rides. I could run 280 miles between gas stations. They can be had for $3000 everyday of the year. You cant go wrong with an older connie.

[vitaminC]

I think I would just rent out the house and get an apartment near campus. Life's too short to spend all that time commuting, especially as very few people ever confuse commuting with riding for pleasure.

[ctfz1]

 Had 86 Concours 88-92  45,000 miles (just over 4k at purchase).
Lovely spring and fall, too hot in August, a bit buzz and buffet.
Works better than ought to.
Plastic serious pain to service.

[RBEmerson]

Last night I rolled up the odo to 46K on my '99 Concours while on the way home from working on my boat, and taking a nasty fall in the process of doing that work.  Long story short, I've at least severely strained a bunch of muscles just behind my right hip (happily, no internal damage).  Knowing if I've moved the wrong way is ...ah... hard to miss.   Since I was 125 miles from home and had only the bike for transportation, it was interesting(!) to see if I could even mount up, let alone ride safely.  A check ride to the Rite-Aid down the road (why is it they're 75% convenience store and 25% pharmacy???) showed riding was really not a problem (even did a run over some speed bumps to see if big bumps would be a problem - no worries).  So I saddled up after popping a couple of Excedrin Body and Back green pills and did the ride.  Aside from a couple of bozos who couldn't control their high beams (gotta find a rear-facing high-power CO² laser for those sorts... ), it was a nice ride on a moderately cool evening with a full moon.  The bike just kept on humming, the miles went past, the suspension did its thing, and eventually the GPS said "Arriving at destination".  Not bad for being very much among the "walking wounded" and being carried home by a bike people say is too buzzy, too top-heavy, and generally not up to the job.  Thanks for the ride home, Barney.  

[tripntx]

'07 Kawasaki ZZR600

[krazyfunc]

I bought my (first) motorcycle last fall. It is a Suzuki GS500F. I was mainly able to justify the expense because my daily commute to work is 40 miles one way. I can tell you that the amount of money I've saved on gas over the car I had at the time (which averaged 30-34 mpg) and the truck I have now (BIG gas guzzler, but I live on a farm) has been phenomenal, and I've really noticed the difference. My bike gets between 50 and 60 mpg (I think it was at 56 last time I averaged it out from my records). While I've had to make some repairs because I live on a gravel road and it's been very rough on my bike, the cost of maintenance/repairs/gas/insurance for my bike vs. the old car has been a lot less. It's nice to have the truck for rainy days, although I've made it to work through some scary conditions on my bike (before I had the truck and after the car gave out--rainiest August I can ever remember!). Of course, I won't be able to ride when it's snowing, but anytime I can take the bike and save money I will.

By the way, while my bike is considered mainly a beginner's bike and not a typical sport-touring bike, I've put nearly 8000 miles on it just from my daily commute and one round trip to visit my family (1300 miles).  It has also served me as a dual sport, making it a lot easier for me to look for and round up my horses when they got out one time!! I certainly couldn't have driven my car in half the places I took my bike when that happened!

Cindy

[RBEmerson]

There ya go!  If it works, it's right.  

[texasaggie81]

Hey guys,
   Have been incredibly busy and almost completely stopped looking for bikes.  I would like nothing more than to rent the house and move close to campus, but wife and I both work in Houston, and that is where grandma is as well(read: free child care).  Plus, we really don't have time to mess with renters, and don't want to put house on market.  Thanks for the advice, but it appears we are pretty well entrenched in our situation, (good for Exxon Mobil and Folgers, bad for tired commuter).
   That being said, the look for a bike has also slowed down as my wife argues that point every chance she gets.  She is decidely against me being on a bike every day.  She tells me it's not that she doesn't want me on the bike, but that she doesn't see how we can afford it.  I have tried to illustrate that the gas savings will pay for the bike and more, and she doesn't really care about the numbers.  Therefore I am still trying to analyze her arguement, and believe her qualms do not lie in the numbers.
   I have had bikes all my life, but she was pretty happy when I got rid of the last one.  Do you guys have any ideas on how to convince my wife that a bike can be a safe, reliable, economical, and environmentally friendly form of transportation (did I forget fast and fun? maybe should leave that part out)?  
   Any help would be appreciated as I plan to ride for life, but like to keep the peace in the house.  Apparently wifes that dislike bikes knock more riders off their bikes than tar snakes.  Later guys,
   -Damon

[Cpl Punishment]

Tell her bikes are no more dangerous than bicycles. True, apparently.

[cultureslayer]

It'll always be some excuse not to get one.  My father sold his decades ago and still doesn't have one.  So my advice would be to tell her that you will be getting one, it makes you happy, and you need the stress relief.  It was there before and it'll always be there.

[kevrider]

you should never sell before you buy, especially when you have an anti-bike spouse.  now she's got you right where she wants you.  

as you suspect, the money is likely the easiest justification for her to come up with but it's probably not the real reason.  she may be one who thinks all riders are victims waiting for their accident to happen.  if you want to ride, you need try to convince her otherwise.  truth is, the odds of an accident are highest for 1) those who are new to riding, 2) those without formal training and 3) those riding under the influence.  presumably #1 & 3 are n/a for you.  if #2 applies, you need sign up for a class somewhere.  

if you commute 100 miles per day, it's likely you spend most of your time on the interstate.  you need to enlighten her to the fact that this is the safest place to ride -- one-way with no intersections.  you may want to gloss over the fact that you also have to ride surface streets in a big city, since those are the most risk-filled roads.

good luck!  

[Melcontent]

I always get a big chuckle out of the "i want a bike to cut my gas costs" line of reasoning. I hear it quite a bit now from studentsin the MSF classes. Have you priced tires for a bike lately? And considered how long they're NOT going to last?
Get a bike cuz you want it, not cuz it's gonna net you massive transportation savings over a car (especially if you still keep the car).

A  M  E  N!!!  and insurance, and oil, and gear (safety and other).  But it sure is fun!

[panther289]

I always get a big chuckle out of the "i want a bike to cut my gas costs" line of reasoning. I hear it quite a bit now from studentsin the MSF classes. Have you priced tires for a bike lately? And considered how long they're NOT going to last?
Get a bike cuz you want it, not cuz it's gonna net you massive transportation savings over a car (especially if you still keep the car).

Not to mention the cost of other parts when they break done and if you don't do your own work the shop time and rates.

[kevrider]

you may have missed the part where he said he really wants a bike because he just loves to ride.  can you not relate?  anything useful to say to help get a fellow rider back in the saddle?

[texasaggie81]

Yes guys,
   I know bikes are expensive, I've had a few, all older bikes that just loved to develop all kinds of fun (and expensive) problems.  I don't expect the gas savings alone to justify buying another bike.  But the gas savings will help the case.  And honestly, I know this is hard to believe, but a 250 would save us almost $300 a month (bigger bikes closer to 200-250/mo range).  That means there is more than enough to cover a note(gear and hard bags included), insurance, and maintainence, as well as a nice evening out with the missus.  
   That being said, I have to find a comfortable sport-touring bike that won't give us too big of a financial burden if the situation were to change.  Also should be fun enough to satisfy this bike bug that has once again bitten me, fun enough to warrant making payments(or paying back into our savings) even if it is just for weekend blasts.
   Now for the really hard part.  I can put my foot down and just go buy one, but my wifes birthday is coming up, and it just so happens that the last bike I bought(and stupidly gave away before parking something next to it) I picked up on her birthday four years ago when we were engaged.  I am going to try to stay away from making this a tradition, or she'll never get on the bandwagon, much less the pillion.  
   I understand this has turned into an awfully long post.  I plan to ride for life, so I have been patient over the past month, and will continue to do so for another month or so before taking any kind of drastic measure.  I would much rather motorcycling be integrated with the family as opposed to my personal indulgence that ticks off the wife.  Thanks for the advice, I will keep trying to make my case while looking for cheap Connies and 600Rs.  
   -Damon

[panther289]

Damon, as you can tell, everyone has certain likes and dislikes for the different bikes. You've made a good list, and received a lot of advice. Take some time to sit on/ test ride the various bikes that sound good to you. If possible, find friends that have the bikes that interest you and ride them for at least half the distance(minimum half the distance) and note the pros and cons for each. Doing 1000 miles a week on the wrong bike will really tax your body (and the behind for that matter ). Doing it on the right one is total bliss.
  There are lots of bikes in your price range that can do the job. The modern motorcycles are more then capable of handling 50k. But in the end it's you who has to be comfortable on the ride.

Good luck, Panther


P.S. As mentioned in my first post, EX500 (just my bias opinion )

[texasaggie81]

   Yeah, I like the EX500 a lot.  If I walked out to buy one tomorrow that would be it, plus AJ Foyt Cycles here in town has the 07s for $4199.  I was leaning towards a used 250 I had found for $1800, but it sold before I could get there (this was about two weeks ago).  Am currently looking at available bags for this bike, would probably need 60-90 liters of storage, or atleast fit a large laptop(in it's own case) and backpack.  Prefer saddlebags(keep the center of mass low), and would need to be rain-proof and not provide too much drag.
   

[Melcontent]

you may have missed the part where he said he really wants a bike because he just loves to ride.  can you not relate?  anything useful to say to help get a fellow rider back in the saddle?

No, I didn't miss that part.  If making comments that aren't "useful" makes them unfit for a
"forum", ....well, hang on.  I'm getting out my dictionary.  The "can you not relate"- Is that a question or a directive?
Moving on.......Older Connies are fantastic bikes.  They don't break.  They just don't.  I sold my '95 earlier this year and it was painful watching someone else ride it away.  Concours riders are among the most loyal out there.  There is a reason.  And  the "COG" is full of great folks.  

[cultureslayer]

   Yeah, I like the EX500 a lot.  If I walked out to buy one tomorrow that would be it, plus AJ Foyt Cycles here in town has the 07s for $4199.  I was leaning towards a used 250 I had found for $1800, but it sold before I could get there (this was about two weeks ago).  Am currently looking at available bags for this bike, would probably need 60-90 liters of storage, or atleast fit a large laptop(in it's own case) and backpack.  Prefer saddlebags(keep the center of mass low), and would need to be rain-proof and not provide too much drag.
   

Between craigslist, ex-500.com and the ninja250.net classifieds you should be able to find something.  

About the wife, just explain that you are under a lot of stress and need something that'll make the commute more bearable.  We all take risks for a chance to enjoy life and this is your method of choice.  At least it's not hookers and blow.  

[panther289]

We all take risks for a chance to enjoy life and this is your method of choice. At least it's not hookers and blow.  

For luggage, Givi had a system for the EX500. A little time on Craigslist and eBay may net you one. Cultureslayer, VitaminC and those who are more familiar with the EX250R can be of better assistance then I for options there.
The Connie is preset for distance.
 Again there are many bikes, you'll find the one that works for you.

[Giaka]

 

For luggage, Givi had a system for the EX500. A little time on Craigslist and eBay may net you one. Cultureslayer, VitaminC and those who are more familiar with the EX250R can be of better assistance then I for options there.

Ventura also makes a rear rack for the 250 that allows you to mount a GiVi or GiVi like trunk. Cant say enough about the concours fitting in here though. Shaft drive, tires available that will last 15k and almost 50 mpg and its damn comfortable too. The Concours may be as cheap to operate as any bike out there.

[texasaggie81]

Ok guys(and awesome bike gals),
   After a surprising short discussion with the missus last night, I CAN BUY A BIKE!  Just has to be economical, and pay itself off with a year, the amount of time that we do not see our present situation changing.  So that puts me at about $3K max.  Luckily, there is now a slew of 600Rs and a couple of EX500s on craigs right now in this price range.  I will now go check out the other threads to brush up on what to watch for when buying used.  Any specific help for tell-tell signs of mistreatment on either of these would be appreciated, as would continued suggestions on a good sport tourer for me.  THANKS tremendously for all the help and pointers everyone.  Hopefully will close a deal within the next week, and will post pics.
   -Damon

[cultureslayer]

If you want side cases for a 250 you'll need a custom rack.

If you are planning on the cost of aftermarket luggage, a connie might actually be cheaper since you can find them with bags easily.

[vitaminC]

This is general, but still useful:
http://www.clarity.net/~adam/buying-bike.html

[Zerosum]

If maximizing your fuel milage is your main concern, you'll find that twins, in general, return better milage than multis.  My VFR750 (a V-4)  gets shockingly mediocre milage, like 39mpg.  Conversely, my Dad's Kawasaki W650 (a parallel twin) gets crazy milage, like 60+mpg.  I think an EX500 is the bike you want.

[texasaggie81]

Hello all,
   I have found two bikes, will see them both this afternoon.  One is a 2003 EX500 with 6600 miles, owned by a young college student, $2500.  The other is a 1998 FZR 600R owned by a motorcycle technician, 20K miles and $2200.  Both have fairing scratches, but turn signals work, and nothing serious, the ninja looks a little worse off, like it actually slid a while.  
   First off, which one will get me the furthest down the road.  I would like to be able to put about 60K miles on the bike before any major engine work.  I understand there are a lot of factors that play into this, especially maintainence.  Should I go for the lower mileage model (15K less, what I will cover each semester), or the higher mileage, possibly more well taken care of model.  The owner of the ninja says he gets 45mpg, which makes me think he rides pretty hard, or sucks at math.  The Yamaha owner says 50 easy, and put most of the miles on making almost the same commute I am making.
   Second, which will I be happier with.  I know this is subjective, and I know the answer or I probably wouldn't be asking.  I feel that the Yamaha will be more comfortable and more fun.  Either will be the most powerful machine I have ever owned, so have given some thought to getting the 500 and developing some real riding skills.  However, I know that 100 miles each way on a bike I'm not real comfortable on or excited about will be grueling.  Don't take offense 500 riders, a quick ride might change my impression of the sturdy Kawa.
   Third, touring capability.  I know a lot of people rig homemade racks for the 500.  Will it be easier and cheaper to put large hard cases on the Yamaha, or will I be welding and paying either way.  I really need about 90L capacity, with atleast an 18x12 square profile(my laptop is a dinosaur).  I weigh 220lbs, and will have about 50-60lbs gear with me.  I not sure if all that weight will kill the little Ninja's gas mileage, and therefore would be the same as the 600R.
   Fourth, insurance.  I imagine the 600R will run a little more for insurance, but will it be ridiculously much more, or just 10 more bucks, will call my insurance company this afternoon, but any comments appreciated.  THANKS again everyone, get back soon.
   -Damon

[cbsnbiker]

Hello all,
   I have found two bikes, will see them both this afternoon.  One is a 2003 EX500 with 6600 miles, owned by a young college student, $2500.  The other is a 1998 FZR 600R owned by a motorcycle technician, 20K miles and $2200.  Both have fairing scratches, but turn signals work, and nothing serious, the ninja looks a little worse off, like it actually slid a while.  
   First off, which one will get me the furthest down the road.  I would like to be able to put about 60K miles on the bike before any major engine work.  I understand there are a lot of factors that play into this, especially maintainence.  Should I go for the lower mileage model (15K less, what I will cover each semester), or the higher mileage, possibly more well taken care of model.  The owner of the ninja says he gets 45mpg, which makes me think he rides pretty hard, or sucks at math.  The Yamaha owner says 50 easy, and put most of the miles on making almost the same commute I am making.
   Second, which will I be happier with.  I know this is subjective, and I know the answer or I probably wouldn't be asking.  I feel that the Yamaha will be more comfortable and more fun.  Either will be the most powerful machine I have ever owned, so have given some thought to getting the 500 and developing some real riding skills.  However, I know that 100 miles each way on a bike I'm not real comfortable on or excited about will be grueling.  Don't take offense 500 riders, a quick ride might change my impression of the sturdy Kawa.
   Third, touring capability.  I know a lot of people rig homemade racks for the 500.  Will it be easier and cheaper to put large hard cases on the Yamaha, or will I be welding and paying either way.  I really need about 90L capacity, with atleast an 18x12 square profile(my laptop is a dinosaur).  I weigh 220lbs, and will have about 50-60lbs gear with me.  I not sure if all that weight will kill the little Ninja's gas mileage, and therefore would be the same as the 600R.
   Fourth, insurance.  I imagine the 600R will run a little more for insurance, but will it be ridiculously much more, or just 10 more bucks, will call my insurance company this afternoon, but any comments appreciated.  THANKS again everyone, get back soon.
   -Damon

First:

Maintenance: you won't know until you've ridden the bike until it needs engine work. One is about thirteen thousand miles newer than the other. With proper maintenance and care, either one could go many miles without needing major engine work.

Mileage: Often, sportbikes don't get the greatest gas mileage. They're not optimized for mileage. I think I remember reading a review article that mentioned that the ex500 didn't get spectacularly high gas mileage, but that could be apocryphal on my part.

Second: We can't answer that, but you know that already. I like to be comfortable, all else equal. I would give up comfort for, say, racetrack performance, but for commuting I'd want to be comfortable.

Third: Investigate hard bag options for both bikes from companies such as Givi, and Hepco and Becker. I suspect that you won't be happy with the options available to you for either bike, if you want 90 liters of capacity. That's touring bike territory.

Fourth: Get quotes from your broker. Make sure that the quotes are comparable, e.g. comparable limits and such.

Best wishes.

[dankatz]

I own a 2006 Ninja 500 and can give my biased perspective on it. I used to ride a Honda CX650C at the end of the last decade and none since then until a month ago. I like the Ninja a lot and it is VERY economical, being an inline twin. The worst tank I ever got ion the past 1200miles was 46 and the best was 63mpg. I get about 50-60mpg typically and that is not mostly highway drives.  It rides easily on the highway. It is fun, flicakable, has a great range (4.8gallons), and is easy and cheap to maintain.  I have thought about a faster or bigger bike, but this one is so forgiving and so inexpensive (old technology) to run that I decided I'll keep it for years.
Dani

[livewellandfree]

Damon,

I bought my '05 YZF600R new two and half years ago and just turned 29,000 miles.  Other than a new chain 11k ago, I've had no problems. (Who gets more than 20k out of a chain anyway.) I am 6'1" 190#, commute 45 miles to work, taking the interstate there and the twisties home (60-80 mi @ 90-120min) and the only thing I have done for comfort is invest in a Corbin saddle.  I've made numerous all day/weekend rides both solo and two-up.  If I were to get another small ST it would be the VFR800, but you can't beat the simplicity of the YZF Thundercat.  On my mixed style rides I average 45mpg, but I'm sure interstate commutes would be higher.  The one weak point is the 1st to 2nd shift which can fail if flogged my a rider who doesn't know how to shift or doesn't care.

My only other street bike experience was on a V45 Magna which would kill my back after an hour.  If you can test ride prospective bikes, ride it as long as your commute is.  Barring that, go to a dealer and just sit on one for as long as they will let you.

Good luck.

[F14Scott]

Someone else mentioned them, but I'll second the motion:

4th (750, carbs) or 5th generation (800, FI) Honda VFR Interceptors

$3,000 to $4,000, lots of them on eBay
frequently documented to run well past 100,000 miles
~40-50 MPG
comfortable and solid when touring (commuting)
balanced, smooth, linear, and confidence-inspiring when sporting
big enough for a pillion
hard bags available
centerstand for chain lubing and adjusting (very easy adjustment with the SSS - Single Sided Swingarm)
gear driven cams are cool

[VFR_Serenity]

very easy adjustment with the SSS - Single Sided Swingarm

Your experience must be a little different than mine.  While the procedure looks simple, and all things being equal would be, in practice I find it not so much simple.

You THINK get it where you want it and tighten things up and the chain tension CHANGES.  I usually have to play with the darn thing tightening/loosening it until I get it where I want it at least a half-dozen times.  I move the silly special wrench (needed to do the job but luckily it comes with the bike in the tool kit unless you have lost it) about 1/1000" and the chain jumps from loose to too tight and that is even BEFORE I try and tighten up the assembly hoping it will stay where I put it.

Or at least that is the way it is on my bike.  Lucky a chain that is properly maintained and lubed at the end of each long ride will last many thousands of miles before it will need to be adjusted or messed with again!  I've found that if you get a chain tension "right" you can go 20K before it needs adjustment and then when you notice it is needing adjustment it is only the beginning of the end.  Things go downhill fast from there on in.

[texasaggie81]

UPDATE:

   Went and looked at a 2001 YZF 600R with 11K on it yesterday.  Price was very very good, were asking $3K, willing to negotiate close to $2K.  It had a blue windscreen and neons on it though, which I'm not a big fan of, and makes me think it might have been stunted or used as a highway heat seeker by some squid.  "PO" laid it down pretty nasty too, lost a blinker, but nothing else hanging off.  I know there are some YZF guys on the S-T.n and wanted to get an opinion, especially regarding expensive maintainence that I'm sure lays just around the corner(prob time for a chaing and valve adjust).  Thanks again,
   -Damon

Really really excited I'm going to be riding again

[texasaggie81]

'nother update:

   Set to go look at the bike I really want, at a nice price as well.  Guy finally got back to me, going to check it out this afternoon.  It is the 2003 EX500 with 7K on it for $2500.  Sounds like a deal to me, and will leave money left over for a good lid and some Givis.  Wanted to also get opinions from those of you that take long trips with the 500s, how it will fare, what semis feel like blowing by and such.  Also any tips on comfort as well as a definite range would help, need to make right at 200 miles before topping off, but I ride nice.  Thanks,

*EDIT*
   I have been taking ya'lls advice, still trying hard to look for an interceptor I can afford, and was asking about the FZR wondering if it is comparable.  Also went to check out a NICE $4K Connie yesterday, but it was already gone, go figure  Little more than I had anyways, but I would of found a way for this one. Should of just bought it the first time I sat on it and found a way to make it up to the wife later.

   -Damon

[cultureslayer]

You get used to the wind on the highway.  

[texasaggie81]

Looks like dankatz answered most of my questions above.

After weeding out a bunch of candidates from the web and local papers(sometimes a phone call can give a quick answer as to the condition of a bike) it has come back down to the well taken care of 98 FZR (20K) and the almost new 03 EX500(7K).  The voice of reason tells me to go for the Ninja.  The side that tells me I may not be able to buy another bike for 3 yrs say get the multi and use lunch money to pay for maintainence.  Who thinks about eating when you're on your favorite curvy anyways?

Honestly I'm sure the Yamaha will need serious work before I can afford it, and likely isn't that much more comfy.  Will get back to looking, hope to find something by this weekend and take advantage of the nice weather, it has been a long 6 weeks planning and researching and I am really ready to ride.

-Damon

[cultureslayer]

Damon,

I can tell you a few things to do to the 500 and for about $200 you can have a much better suspension setup.

[panther289]

Damon,

I can tell you a few things to do to the 500 and for about $200 you can have a much better suspension setup.

And to that add the touring windshield. +1

[texasaggie81]

I would definitely want the touring windshield.  How much do those run?

Am currently looking for bags, might just try strapping a rubbermaid bin on the back.

[panther289]

http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/1306/139/
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=248395&store=Main&catId=4&productId=p248357&leafCatId=&mmyId=11889
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=&store=Main&catId=4&productId=p58968&leafCatId=&mmyId=11889#altImages
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/814/139/


Windshields, rear rack for Givi box, and front springs. Do a search at the sites for year/make/model, for a list of possible other cool parts.

[vitaminC]

No real comment on the bikes you've mentioned, but I will add this: try not let the emotional frenzy take over!  
It's hard when you really want to ride, but since you're on a limited budget, try to make sure the bike you're getting is well sorted and you're not looking at it through those rose-tinted goggles. If possible, take a friend with you to provide an extra perspective.

Also, it's probably worth it to stretch the budget a little if it means less work/expense down the road to get the bike setup the way you need it.

[panther289]

No real comment on the bikes you've mentioned, but I will add this: try not let the emotional frenzy take over!  
It's hard when you really want to ride, but since you're on a limited budget, try to make sure the bike you're getting is well sorted and you're not looking at it through those rose-tinted goggles. If possible, take a friend with you to provide an extra perspective.

Also, it's probably worth it to stretch the budget a little if it means less work/expense down the road to get the bike setup the way you need it.

+1 Very true.

[vitaminC]

+1 Very true.

If only I would take my own advice!    

[panther289]

If only I would take my own advice!    

You and me both.  It took all I had just to get out of the dealer without buying that blue 650R.

[texasaggie81]

650R, really nice bike, would love to have one.  A dealer here in houston is offering last year's for $5400.  Temptation is painted blue eh?

Definitely had my rose tinted(or Yamaha blue) glasses on yesterday.  I'm glad I didn't have the money on me or I would have bought the YZF 600R, which is my dream bike for what I want to do.  Looking back I could tell the PO had mistreated it.  Laid it down and not cared to fix it, wonder what else he didn't care about.  Will try to keep my head straight and buy something that will give me 3 years and hopefully 60K miles of trouble free touring with good gas mileage to boot.  

On the Ninja 500, I have heard they run well up to 55K and then throw the cam chain.  If I were to change this at 50K would it just keep going or is that just the "begining of the end" as is in many other cases.  I imagine the cost for shop hours would justify just running it until it dies and then upgrading to a VFR.

BTW Huge thanks for the links

[dankatz]

I have a zero gravity touring windscreen which really helps. I am 5'8" tall.  The bike is good. I use it for commuting mostly in the city and weekend rides. I have not been on very prolonged rides on the highway - my longest was about 50miles straight. It was fine.
Dani

[livewellandfree]

I too have a ZG ST windscreen and it raised the wind blast off my neck (I'm 6'1").  The air flow is now around the helmet area, with no buffeting.  I'm happy with it.

[craigster]

 If you can find a Connie of recent vintage at a good price, go for it.  They will run forever.  (And, they are not pretty, either.)

Hey....wait a minute partner....

Them's fightin' words !!

Connies is beautiful things.

Craig

[texasaggie81]

WHOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!

   I'm a proud new papa(for the second time this year).  Finally got a motorcycle.  It is a 2003 Kawasaki Ninja 500.  Rode it home yesterday, ran very well and was very comfortable.  Didn't wind it out or anything since I was in traffic, and will try to take it easy at first as this is the most powerful bike I've owned.  

   I seriously appreciate everyone's help and input.  I look forward to turning the middle child Ninja into an economic sport tourer, and hope to enjoy many happy miles, and probably a few wet and cold ones too.  You guys putting up with all of my questions and concerns helped me discern which bike would suit me well, and I'm sure that having made the best decision possible will mean that I am happy with the bike that suits me, as there we plenty of dumb impulse buys I could of made along the way.

   As this thread has become incredibly long, I imagine the best way to end it is with a nice picture of the bike.  I hope to have some better ones soon, but this is how I found it.  Maybe one day I'll look back on them and remember that day as I remember the first day I saw my wife.  This feels like the start of something beautiful.  Okay, will stop getting sentimental, we've only known each other for 20 miles.  Anyhow, see photos below.  Will see ya'll in the other threads.  Take care, thanks once again, and happy trails.

-Damon

[dankatz]

Congrats! nice looking bike!  I have a 2006 Green one and I really like it.  I felt like I was cheating on it riding my cage in the pouring rain today.  
Check out ex-500.com -- a great resource.
Dani

[vitaminC]

Congrats!  

[bandit-o]

hey man congrats on the new ride    always love that "new to me" bike feeling...

looks like you just need a new turn signal and you're good.  Should be cheap to come by - congrats again.

[cultureslayer]

+1

If it's a commuter, don't worry about the paint scratches.  Inevitably the tank bag, your overpants, or something will rub it.  

I am jealous.

[texasaggie81]

    Thanks for the compliments, about to leave work and hopefully go out to a good empty parking lot to become better acquainted with my baby.  Not at all worried about the scratches, especially since until I can afford some givis, it going to have an action packer on the back.  Just needs to get me there, and am going to take it easy, see if I cant get 80K out of her.  
   Have been on the ex500 forum, it IS a great resource, and it's nice to see others with the same passion for the same machine, as it is here to see others that actually like to throw a leg over and go somewhere.  Never understood what the point was in hitting 110mph in the left lane just to dive off two exits later.  
   I do know however that I am very glad to have found an affordable 500.  As much as I wanted to get a 250 and learn to conserve momentum, I think this bike will be more comfortable since I will be using it daily and not just to impress my buddies with their R6s by showing them what I can do with only a quarter of a liter.  Have been checking out the other forums, and found a lot of good advice.
   We are having very nice weather here in Texas, and I hope ya'lls weekend is the same.  Everyone should be out riding on days like these.  I like it when there are a lot of bikes on the road on sat and sun afternoons, plenty of nice machines to look at, and IMHO raises awareness of other drivers to learn how to look out for us two wheelers.  

[texasaggie81]

I'm going to necro post, but it's my own thread, so there.

I'm back after a year and a half hiatus.  I had left with the P&R exodus (don't know how I got in with that crowd), and then later that year sold the Triumph after a good friend was killed while riding (RIP Chris).

I could not give up riding forever, regardless of the risks.  This time I'm on a real sport tourer after growing tired of living with a sport bike (even a gentleman's litrebike) day to day.

Picked up a well taken care of VFR 750 from a friend, and absolutely love it.  We moved back to our home north of Lake Conroe, so my commute is down to 75miles each way.  This bike is great for eating up the miles, and still a lot of fun in the twisties through the national forest.  Also amazing that I'm not too tired to enjoy that section of road on the way back after having already ridden 125miles that day...

Anyhow, on to the pics.







Glad to be back.



Oh yeah, for future reference, THIS is the ultimate "bargain sport tourer"...although I wish I had taken the advice and tried a Connie.

[1KPerDay]

Beauty! Congrats.

[VFR_Serenity]

Yup, looks like a VFR.

[Bravo12]

Bandit600 or 650.

[texasaggie81]

Bandit600 or 650.

Thanks for the advice, but since starting this thread 2.5yrs ago I've gone through a Kawi 500R, Triumph 955i, and now a VFR750.

I did pass on a couple of bandits, and always regretted not trying one, but we can't have/ride them all can we?  A buddy of mine has a 650, and while I liked the motor, I wasn't a fan of the dynamics...maybe it just stems from leaning more towards the sporty side now.

The VFR suits me perfectly, and I picked up a CBR900RR project bike for when I want to have a little more fun than I'd ask of my daily ride.

[nater]

The VFR suits me perfectly, and I picked up a CBR900RR project bike for when I want to have a little more fun than I'd ask of my daily ride.

How much of a project?

[texasaggie81]

How much of a project?

It was completely in pieces in the guy's garage.  Luckily it came with everything.

Motor is in frame, and I got it to run with a little gas in the filter.

I'm halfway considering building a MegaSquirt and putting a small IHI VJ11 turbo on it...

[VFR_Serenity]

It was completely in pieces in the guy's garage.  Luckily it came with everything.

I have a theory that some people are in love with the idea of HAVING a motorcycle but when they get them they are so afraid of actually RIDING the damn things that they come up with any excuse NOT to -including taking it all apart for years on end in some "project."  I once saw a guy at a bike show who had polished every single bit of his bike;  frame, engine cases, wheels -EVERYTHING.  I was talking to him as he was showing it off at a booth.  It had taken him a couple of years and was almost finished.  Then he told me it was his only bike and he's not ridden it  this whole time.

Holy batman!  

I think my theory began on that day.

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I'm going to necro post, but it's my own thread, so there.

I'm back after a year and a half hiatus.  I had left with the P&R exodus (don't know how I got in with that crowd), and then later that year sold the Triumph after a good friend was killed while riding (RIP Chris).

I could not give up riding forever, regardless of the risks.  This time I'm on a real sport tourer after growing tired of living with a sport bike (even a gentleman's litrebike) day to day.

Picked up a well taken care of VFR 750 from a friend, and absolutely love it.  We moved back to our home north of Lake Conroe, so my commute is down to 75miles each way.  This bike is great for eating up the miles, and still a lot of fun in the twisties through the national forest.  Also amazing that I'm not too tired to enjoy that section of road on the way back after having already ridden 125miles that day...

Anyhow, on to the pics.







Glad to be back.



Oh yeah, for future reference, THIS is the ultimate "bargain sport tourer"...although I wish I had taken the advice and tried a Connie.

Nice bike. I've got one of it's cousins at home. Same color, but it doesn't look as nice. I bought a new Tiger last year, and can't bring myself to part with the VFR.