Video: Ducati Desmosedici V4 Test: First Verdict

[Busy Little Whiner]

Get use to hearing the word "grunt" to describe a V4s broad power band...

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/videos/2007/september/sep1307ducatidesmosedicirrfirstverdict/

[UFO]

 Sounds familiar.

Yeah, and I'll be picking one of these up right away.

[DogBoy]

Uh, move to Ducati Forum???

And Larry, any of the 990cc GP bikes would be described as having plenty of power, no matter what engine configuration.

[Busy Little Whiner]

Uh, move to Ducati Forum???

And Larry, any of the 990cc GP bikes would be described as having plenty of power, no matter what engine configuration.

True but deceptive... any V4 or big bang I4 that is... the old 180º I4 ain't got the same grunt... but
you'd have to take a spin on Mr.RC45 to recalibrate your definition of the word "grunt"...  

[atypical1]

Instant hard on. Damn, I want one of those.....

Let's see....sell the house, get small apartment, hmmmm  

I would love to see one of those at my local track day. Or going up palomar!

james

[miles]

Instant hard on. Damn, I want one of those.....

Let's see....sell the house, get small apartment, hmmmm  

I would love to see one of those at my local track day. Or going up palomar!

james

James, do you know John (I forget his last name), one of the regulars at Palomar?  He'd been running a ZX10, and I think he's got a 1098 now.  He has a desmosedici on order.



miles

[steve.ski]

Drool. Big time.

[jeremy556]

tag

[atypical1]

James, do you know John (I forget his last name), one of the regulars at Palomar?  He'd been running a ZX10, and I think he's got a 1098 now.  He has a desmosedici on order.



miles

No, I don't go to Palomar much. But, if this guys rides the D16RR up there then I just might!

james

[Mookie]

That bike is ill.

[miles]

No, I don't go to Palomar much. But, if this guys rides the D16RR up there then I just might!

james

I'll be doing a track day with him at Buttonwillow the weekend after Chester.  I'll ask him about projected delivery dates.


miles

[atypical1]

I'll be doing a track day with him at Buttonwillow the weekend after Chester.  I'll ask him about projected delivery dates.


miles

Dude, I want to see this at a track day sooooooo badly. Could you imagine that? Gives me wood!

I would love to see Honda and Yamaha bring out street legal versions of their race bikes too!

james

[bizarro]

I can't wait until some rich tard bins one at a track day.

I wonder what a salvage title Desmosedicci would go for?

[atypical1]

You don't need to be a 'tard to bin a bike at a track day.

If you can afford one of these and you are taking it to the track then you probably have assumed that risk.

Wonder if it comes with traction control?

james

[jeremy556]

I can't wait until some rich tard bins one at a track day.

Why?

I would rather see one get binned on a track, than one that is a show piece, never ridden the way it was meant to be.

[Busy Little Whiner]

Dude, I want to see this at a track day sooooooo badly. Could you imagine that? Gives me wood!

I would love to see Honda and Yamaha bring out street legal versions of their race bikes too!

james

Right on James...

I'd love to see the Ducati's V4 entered in WSBK and then watch it hunt down and destroy their own
V2 motor of deaths... and chase down Honda's leading CBR "like come here I4, I won't hurt you, he he he."

Too bad Ducati doesn't see itself as a V4 company... I think that's a giant blunder on the part of the
CEO's lack of vision ... even Mr.RC45 bows to the king of V4s...

[atypical1]

Actually, I was thinking D16RR in AMA. Now that would kick ass. I wonder how badly a GP bike would spank a GSXR?  

james

[Baz]

Now can we get a group buy price at around oh $14,000.00?

I bet one would grunt at the price.

[jeremy556]

 ... even Mr.RC45 bows to the king of V4s...

Quoted for posterity.

[st ryder]

... even Mr.RC45 bows to the king of V4s...

While he's down there, he may as well bow to the king of twins as well.  

[garry]

A local guy has two on order and is trying for a third as I understand it. I think he buys 3 of all the Ducati superbikes. He had a 1098 TriColore at the track last week. No doubt one of his D16RRs will show up at a track day.

[Busy Little Whiner]

While he's down there, he may as well bow to the king of twins as well.  

Twins are just in a V4s shadow...

[R Doug]

A local guy has two on order and is trying for a third as I understand it. I think he buys 3 of all the Ducati superbikes. He had a 1098 TriColore at the track last week. No doubt one of his D16RRs will show up at a track day.

I think he's one of the larger equity partners in Beaverun Motorsports Park.  I've met him once, he seems like a nice guy.  He's the guy who would pay to get Doug Polen at the track for the Euro Moto of Pgh days.

[heinee]

BLS and DogBoy, I do believe our local Ducati dealer has one on order...Patrick has my number, and he's supposed to call me the day it gets PDI'd ...I want to here it soo bad  

[Busy Little Whiner]

BLS and DogBoy, I do believe our local Ducati dealer has one on order...Patrick has my number, and he's supposed to call me the day it gets PDI'd ...I want to here it soo bad  

Yep... and that Desmosedici is for my friend Jim...

Jim visited the BLS packing some of John Kocinski's gear...




 

[miles]

Dude, I want to see this at a track day sooooooo badly. Could you imagine that? Gives me wood!

I would love to see Honda and Yamaha bring out street legal versions of their race bikes too!

james

Well, John's ZX10 track bike dynos at 187 rwhp, so I don't know that his soon-to-be Desmosedici will scoot by me any much faster...

[heinee]

Yep... and that Desmosedici is for my friend Jim...

Jim visited the BLS packing some of John Kocinski's gear...




 

     Maybe I should start visiting the BLS  

[Busy Little Whiner]

     Maybe I should start visiting the BLS  

You're welcome anytime 10 to 10... pm for address...

[DFH]

True but deceptive... any V4 or big bang I4 that is... the old 180º I4 ain't got the same grunt... but
you'd have to take a spin on Mr.RC45 to recalibrate your definition of the word "grunt"...  

Just a small point my friend but the 990 Desmosedici V4 roadbike that you..... OK we all, are drooling over is neither of the 180 or 360deg V4 formats favoured by Honda, but a slightly off set twin-pulse crank design. More like an extended-duration-bang V-twin in fact....
 
Casey Stoners 800 is a true 360 deg screamer like the RC45. One of the clever things Ducati did was realise that the funny cranks needed to find traction with the 990's was not necessary with the 800 lower torque levels. So Ducati added together desmo valve actuation (not for its rev ceiling, but for its lower power losses vs valve springs) and the inherent balance of a 360deg crank 90deg V4 and minimised power losses at high revs.

So in fact Ducati use the V4 not for its alleged "grunt", but for its high rev characteristics......
 
DFH

   

[Busy Little Whiner]

Casey Stoners 800 is a true 360 deg screamer like the RC45.
DFH

Casey Stoner's 800 is a 360º droner like Mr.RC45...

[DFH]

Casey Stoner's 800 is a 360º droner like Mr.RC45...

Same thing, different tag. Over here the even firing interval 500cc 2 stroke V4 donks were known as screamers ( higher pitch sound at high revs), as were the NC30, RC30, NC45 & RC45. The VFR750/800' with their lower pitched sounds at the same revs are droners... if more musical IMHO.

Still its real clever of Ducati to understand that in the 800 MotoGP world with limited fuel building an engine with lower internal losses ( no valve springs, no pneumatic pumps for valves like Suzuki and now Yamaha, no balance shafts, even firing order etc) was the best way to get power and speed with a fuel economy margin.... that stuff wins championships

DFH    

[Busy Little Whiner]

Same thing, different tag. Over here the even firing interval 500cc 2 stroke V4 donks were known as screamers ( higher pitch sound at high revs), as were the NC30, RC30, NC45 & RC45. The VFR750/800' with their lower pitched sounds at the same revs are droners... if more musical IMHO.

Negative... 360º crank is a droner and good for racing... whereas the 180º crank was a screamer and
good for marketing... so starting with 86 VFR and on up to the 2008 Vtec the V4 is the screamed
because it sound more like an inline to prospective buyers...

RC45 360º...


VFR 800 180º...

[DFH]

Negative... 360º crank is a droner and good for racing... whereas the 180º crank was a screamer and
good for marketing... so starting with 86 VFR and on up to the 2008 Vtec the V4 is the screamed
because it sound more like an inline to prospective buyers...

VFR's sounding like IL4's? Have you been drinking?

180 deg V4's sound like two small capacity V twins joined side by side on a common crank.. ( now there's an idea, got 2 SV650 donks? ) and in countries such as ours where we grew up to the sound of V8 motors the off beat cadence is music to the ears. The RC45 donk with its even firing intervals is easier to compare to a IL4, but you would never mistake the two.

Now try this for size.Ducati D16RR firing at 0 deg, 90deg, 290deg, 380deg......!

DFH

[Busy Little Whiner]

VFR's sounding like IL4's? Have you been drinking?

Yep... the sound of I4s sold... the drone didn't... Honda's marketing types drive me to drink...

[hawkeyejohn14]

Woody is that you....