1st North American FJR Owners Gathering!

[TWN]

That's correct, you read that right!  The 1st North American gathering of FJR owners!  Not West, East, Central, Southern, Southwest or Canadian, but NORTH AMERICAN FJR OWNERS GATHERING and registration is now open!

Come join as many as FIVE HUNDRED FJR owners and friends in beautiful Golden, Colorado and enjoy some of North America's splendor that is the Rocky Mountains!

http://www.fjrtech.com/NAFO/event.cfm

-TWN, NAFO Rally Master

[burnergold2B]

2wheel nut?

Are you one of the Admins or site owners on FJRForums.com?

[Bounce]

I thought it was NAtional FO.

There have been other FJR owners meets in north america.

[FJRmgm]

sounds like the place to be to me!!

Count me IN!!

[ratbagg]

This must be the "First North America gathering" for the FJRforum. In the past there has been many other FJR gatherings in the USA and Canada.
TWN may not be an Admin or owner at the FJRforum, but he does have an over size ego.

[greench440]

I knew this would draw ratbagg out of the sewer.

[ratbagg]

I knew this would draw ratbagg out of the sewer.

You got that right. Someone has to point out the the inconsistencies that get spewed out of that good ol white boys FJRforum.

[burnergold2B]

You got that right. Someone has to point out the the inconsistencies that get spewed out of that good ol white boys FJRforum.

  Either the inconsistencies or the cons. Talk about the term " brand confusion". NAFO, CFO, WFO, WTF, hey maybe it should just be the "WTFS rally". How about "AARP Rally"? Either way, Amsoil stickers, products, clothing, and talk will be banned, right? Everybody can talk about buying Rotella @ fu@#$%^ Wal Mart.  

[Bounce]

What a bunch of whining bitches!

I simply noted that the acronym was different than I thought. The other xFOs have been regional. The NAFO is meant to be all-inclusive and has the support of the regional xFO's.  it's no different than the COG, BMWOA, GWRRA, or any other group-based rallies that have various regional and a larger, "national" gathering each year.

You two need to go change your tampons.

[TWN]

2wheel nut?

Are you one of the Admins or site owners on FJRForums.com?

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.  

Why?

Edit:  Never mind the 'why', your next post says everything I need to know.

I thought it was NAtional FO.

There have been other FJR owners meets in north america.

Yes, but this is the first that is not regionally organized.  This is intended to draw folks from all over North America (not that folks from outside the regionals were not welcome to those meets).  We are trying to swing NAFO to succeeding regional events so that everyone gets to visit the various regions.  Hell, one day, you may even get to buy me a beer at SFO.

TWN may not be an Admin or owner at the FJRforum, but he does have an over size ego.

By making this statement, you are showing your inflated ego, douchebagg.  

You got that right. Someone has to point out the the inconsistencies that get spewed out of that good ol white boys FJRforum.

Hey Hank, why don't you sign up and join us?  Come in your Captain America costume or one of your cutesy bicycle outfits (there's a huge cyclist gathering in Denver at the same time, so you can get a two-fer), okay?  

[ratbagg]

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.    

too bad.., did you pack a portable long wave UV light and a good supply of Purell?

[TWN]

too bad.., did you pack a portable long wave UV light and a good supply of Purell?

I didn't know that you stayed in the same room the night before.  Next time, I'll have the staff leave a suitable amount of d-Con for your dining pleasure.

You gonna show or what, Hank?

[burnergold2B]

What a bunch of whining bitches!
You two need to go change your tampons.

I'll change mine out and you can use it as a breath mint.  How'd that be?    

[mxvet57]

now children stop that

[Snowbird]

I didn't know that you stayed in the same room the night before.  Next time, I'll have the staff leave a suitable amount of d-Con for your dining pleasure.

You gonna show or what, Hank?

Is this the same Hank that used to post here?    

 

[TWN]

Is this the same Hank that used to post here?    

 

Yup.  He'll deny it, but I'm pretty sure it's him.  There was once a photo of Hank from an ST.n meet that I can't find.  If someone can find and post it, I may have one to confirm ratbagg's identity.  

[FJRmgm]

you guys are funny.

in a weird, immature kinda way, that is..

[TWN]

you guys are funny.

in a weird, immature kinda way, that is..

Yeah, true dat, but douchebagg brings out the best in me.

[Ric in Sac]

NAFO - Yeah, I'll be there!  I look forward to visiting with Bounce and TWN!  

The posts in response to this topic reminded me why I so rarely attend this forum.  It is not a friendly place to visit so why come here?  See ya . . .

[ratbagg]

Yup.  He'll deny it, but I'm pretty sure it's him.  There was once a photo of Hank from an ST.n meet that I can't find.  If someone can find and post it, I may have one to confirm ratbagg's identity.  

[SuperHans]

You people are to angry for me. I'm going to the STN National instead.

[TWN]

Angry, naw.  We may not be all huggy-huggy, but we do enjoy a good dog piling every now and again.


Nice try, Hank.  

[burnergold2B]

 So will the censorship that is prevalent on the FJRForums be present at the rallies?


Are the organizers "interpreting" the discussions of things they don't like as pimping, therefore banning you from the rally?

  Sounds like a lot of money to give to folks that believe in censorship. No thanks.  

[wheatonFJR]

Come and find out.  

People I've met at rallies whether STN or FJR have usually been pretty stand up people.  It's about the trip and the riding anyway.
Even if you don't like the Forum moderation, you will like the people you meet.

Or are you just into anger and angst?  

[burnergold2B]

Or are you just into anger and angst?  

  No, not into anger or angst. I'm into bikes and have a feeling others are as well.

I don't need to feed money to folks who get into censorship. Other folks may feel the same way.  


Ride on.

[ratbagg]

I don't need to feed money to folks who get into censorship. Other folks may feel the same way.  

Ride on.

Two meals, a tee shirt and a "keepsake" name tag for $155. That's a lot of cash for a friendly meet up. How's that compare with say the STN National?

[Snowbird]

I've never quite understood the desire for brand-specific meet ups. Harley riders do that.

My guess is this will give the FJR forum people an opportunity for naked dog piles in one of the motel rooms.  

Seriously, what is the attraction?  

[greench440]

STN Nationals are free, but if you wanted to spend money I think the last national was $15 for Friday dinner + 10 more for the shirt.

[sprint_st]

I've never quite understood the desire for brand-specific meet ups. Harley riders do that.

My guess is this will give the FJR forum people an opportunity for naked dog piles in one of the motel rooms.  

Seriously, what is the attraction?  

Damn, Snowbird, I think this may be the second topic we have total agreement on  

You may jest on that dog pile thing, but I have never seen admins on a forum take so much pride in starting or feeding such events as that group  

[FJR1300]

Damn, Snowbird, I think this may be the second topic we have total agreement on  

You may jest on that dog pile thing, but I have never seen admins on a forum take so much pride in starting or feeding such events as that group  

I guess the end of the world is near... as Snowbird and I have agreed in the past and now I am agreeing with you too!

The reason the cost is $155 per person is because they needed a very large location to be able to fit all those egos into one room.

[mxvet57]

Damn, Snowbird, I think this may be the second topic we have total agreement on  

I guess the end of the world is near... as Snowbird and I have agreed in the past and now I am agreeing with you too!

 great is that how STN crashed last time.


 

[sprint_st]

It is sure good to see that not all FJR drivers are lemmings  

[Ignacio]

Thanks to all the naysayers here.

You're doing a great job keeping this thread towards the top and helping spread the word about the event.  I think a few of the 148 registrants we have so far for the first North American FJR gathering are because you're going out of your way to poo poo it.

By all means...keep it up!!!

They've figured out an event without negative personalities like ratbagg/Captain America, sprint_st, FJR1300 is the event be at in July.  

Thanks again for doing your part to help make NAFO a successful event.  

[sprint_st]

Thanks to all the naysayers here.

You're doing a great job keeping this thread towards the top and helping spread the word about the event.  I think a few of the 148 registrants we have so far for the first North American FJR gathering are because you're going out of your way to poo poo it.

By all means...keep it up!!!

They've figured out an event without negative personalities like ratbagg/Captain America, sprint_st, FJR1300 is the event be at in July.  

Thanks again for doing your part to help make NAFO a successful event.  

Well if it isn't Ignuts.  Save your first grade psychology.  The guys here understand a concept called "freedom".  We don't have to see if our opinions are on an "approved" list.  Give my regards to the lemmings.

[ratbagg]

"148 registrants so far for the first North American FJR gathering"

Sounds like your gathering is becoming a regular 'FJR Sturgis'. And rightful so when you charge $25 for an extra tee, play with guns and ridicule others for not riding Yamahas.

[Snowbird]

Well if it isn't Ignuts.  Save your first grade psychology. The guys here understand a concept called "freedom".  We don't have to see if our opinions are on an "approved" list.  Give my regards to the lemmings.

+5.

He seems to have an across the board inability to remain quiet. Some sort of control issue..?

Anyway, $155 isn't bad if it includes the room.

[elgordo]

Whew...guess I've found where all the malcontents from the fjrforum reside. The fjrforum isn't for everybody (and there are two not one perspectives to that).  


NAFO is about FRJ owners meeting and sharing their interest, not about what forum you post the most on. If I can swing the time off, I'll be there.

[FJR1300]

Thanks to all the naysayers here.

You're doing a great job keeping this thread towards the top and helping spread the word about the event.  I think a few of the 148 registrants we have so far for the first North American FJR gathering are because you're going out of your way to poo poo it.

By all means...keep it up!!!

They've figured out an event without negative personalities like ratbagg/Captain America, sprint_st, FJR1300 is the event be at in July.  

Thanks again for doing your part to help make NAFO a successful event.  

Does he really think it's just a few of us that have a problem with the way that board is operated?  I know a lot of FJR owners who would throw out that entire crew, but they remain quite because they don't want to be banned.

[mxvet57]

i have been trying for the last 3 years to regester on the FJR forum and still have not been approved to post on it.  not Even 1 post and i was banded already.

and as far as charging $155.00, that is a little out of line. as Sprint-st said if that included the room that would be acceptable.

i would like to go but I'm not going to pay that. but who is going to stop me i can still get a room and no one would be the wiser.

[FJRmgm]

i would like to go but I'm not going to pay that. but who is going to stop me i can still get a room and no one would be the wiser.

Your room rate will be over $200/night if you go without registering.

I wonder if some of you guys are as bitter and cynical in real life as your postings here reflect?

If so, I really hope, and will go out of my way, to never meet you in person.

[ratbagg]

I wonder if some of you guys are as bitter and cynical in real life as your postings here reflect?

Nah, just when it comes around to the arrogant and pompous Warchild, Iggy and their groupie TWN

[Ignacio]

i have been trying for the last 3 years to regester on the FJR forum and still have not been approved to post on it.  not Even 1 post and i was banded already.

That's interesting.  Actually you're not at all banned.....you just didn't seem to follow the instructions about posting in one particular thread first.

As a new user you MUST first visit the New Forum Members and introduce yourself to the board. Only after you post your first message you will then be allowed to post and view other parts of the board.  We also do this as an effective technique to avoid SPAMbots...you'll thank us later as we remain almost entirely SPAM free.

You're totally welcome to come over and participate in the board if you want.  And 3 years?  Ummmm...the board has only existed for 2 years and 6 months....so kinda hard to have registered before it existed.  It looks more like November of 2007 is when you signed up.

  Yeah, if you go over there to ask about cam chains, don't mention any products you've had a good experience with, like a particular synthetic oil. You'll get banned like me.  

Now that's just plain fibbing.  You're not banned either and remain a regular member.  You did get suspended for a week for actively selling Amsoil against the forum rules, but can come back anytime you want.

If you're going to slam me at least try and do it with with a few basic facts. ;

And I'm glad the three people I know of that did get BANNED are having a good time.  It's sad to think they couldn't play by the most simple rules:

FJRForum.com is to discuss the Yamaha FJR1300 and the issues surrounding the FJR1300 community. You may liken this forum to your favorite corner tavern, where you can have a beer with your virtual buds, and discuss motorcycles in general, and the FJR in particular.

By the way, we got another registration last night.....somebody from this forum too! 149 NAFO participants! Thanks all for the first grade psychology lesson.  It seems to be working.

Ignuts

[burnergold2B]

I wonder if some of you guys are as bitter and cynical in real life as your postings here reflect?

If so, I really hope, and will go out of my way, to never meet you in person.

  Bitter and cynical?

 There's enough of the backstabbing melo-drama BS in the workplace, local politics, national politics, and in other moto clubs to go around, but not in my hobby. There's enough of the *Big Brother* mentality out there w/o having the Admins there lurking with the Search function for the word "Amsoil", and then hiding behind an agreement that is NEVER enforced in such a way with any other products mentioned therein.  

  30 years ago there was really only 2 options for moto camping and rallies; H-D or B.M.W.. All too many groups exist now to have to purposefully give $150+ of my hard earned money to people who obviously believe in different ideas than I do about courtesy and respect. Now, there's so many different groups, websites, crews, and Clubs out there to do business with I get to pick who gets my business. Ahhh, yes! The American and human idea pertaining to CHOICES!

Sure, there's probably a lot of great men and women that will be at NAFO that will have a great time as they are like-minded people who enjoy controlling other people. Outstanding!! Eventually they'll soon be Goldwing or BMW riders and we'll have a democracy again in the FJR gatherings.  By the PMs I'm getting I see the honesty of the situation IS effecting cashflow. Oh well...    

[burnergold2B]

Now that's just plain fibbing.  You're not banned either and remain a regular member.  You did get suspended for a week for actively selling Amsoil against the forum rules, but can come back anytime you want.

If you're going to slam me at least try and do it with with a few basic facts. ;

You're a plain liar and that proves it right there. I NEVER tried to sell a single ounce of any product to ANYONE on that forum.

I didn't even make a single recommendation of any certain product for any application.

I never PMed anyone about a sale of any sort EXCEPT to BUY used parts from other people.

You have members "selling" products all over the place there. Why not ban them as well? Come on Matt, if you're gonna censor people and lie to people you might try doing it where your record isn't out in the wide open to the contrary. I can imagine the whoppers your constituants have had to swallow. Back peddle. Flip Flop. Talk out the side of your face. Save face? Nope. You aint gonna cut it with lies.


 

[Ignacio]

You're a plain liar and that proves it right there. I NEVER tried to sell a single ounce of any product to ANYONE on that forum.

I didn't even make a single recommendation of any certain product for any application.

I never PMed anyone about a sale of any sort EXCEPT to BUY used parts from other people.

You have members "selling" products all over the place there. Why not ban them as well? Come on Matt, if you're gonna censor people and lie to people you might try doing it where your record isn't out in the wide open to the contrary. I can imagine the whoppers your constituants have had to swallow. Back peddle. Flip Flop. Talk out the side of your face. Save face? Nope. You aint gonna cut it with lies.


 

No, I'm not a zealot-just a big fan. I've run several motorcycles 50K+ miles on the odometer running Amsoil w/o a problem using change intervals of 7,500-15,000 miles. If you want to use dino. oils and change every 2500-4000 miles knock yourself out. The Amsoil products in the long run have saved us time, money, and most importantly engine life.

then

I am a dealer but sell it for my cost + shipping so I don't have to deal with the income tax BS. Anyway.....

compared with the forum rule:

You are only allowed to use the forum as a member, not as a commercial vendor. Anything that could be construed as marketing, advertising, or sales related activities without Administrator approval will not be tolerated. Please contact and Administrator in advance if you would like to represent commercial interests on the board.

When you got called on it...no problem except you then decided you didn't like that rule.  Others that sell have approached the admins and contribute as members first instead of hanging out only in oil threads.

You're still welcome to come back though if you like.  Why are you saying you're banned?

[elgordo]

Come on folks...step back and take a couple of deep breaths...maybe even several. If you go back and read your posts, you'll see that you are mostly demeaning yourselves.

The thread is about NAFO not about who you have a dispute with at the fjrforum. Think about how this looks to all the readers that don't personally know anyone & even to some that do).

NAFO looks like a great event to be part of & folks (whether you like them or not) went to a lot of work to create the opportunity. For me, going to any event it comes down to if I want to go, if I think it is worth the cost, if I can schedule it and if I can afford it. If I answer yes to everything then I go, if not then I don't go and life goes on.

Instead of muddying this thread, why don't you start a 'I hate (fill in blank)' thread on your own or even better start your own forum which you can run any way you want?

[sprint_st]

You're a plain liar and that proves it right there. I NEVER tried to sell a single ounce of any product to ANYONE on that forum.

I didn't even make a single recommendation of any certain product for any application.

I never PMed anyone about a sale of any sort EXCEPT to BUY used parts from other people.

You have members "selling" products all over the place there. Why not ban them as well? Come on Matt, if you're gonna censor people and lie to people you might try doing it where your record isn't out in the wide open to the contrary. I can imagine the whoppers your constituants have had to swallow. Back peddle. Flip Flop. Talk out the side of your face. Save face? Nope. You aint gonna cut it with lies.

Dude, no use getting in an email dual with those guys, it degrades this forum.  They can't feed their egos enough in their own sick world, now they have to come to an excellent forum and bring their trash.  I hope they succeed with NAFO.  ESTN07 had about 80 or so bikes and we had a ball.  EOM had around 150 and was OK but nowhere near the the fun of ESTN07.  If you really want to see some kick butt events, look into HSTA.  They are all over the country, are totally non-bike specific and pull in all kinds of vendor support.  

[burnergold2B]

When you got called on it...no problem except you then decided you didn't like that rule.  Others that sell have approached the admins and contribute as members first instead of hanging out only in oil threads.

You're still welcome to come back though if you like.  Why are you saying you're banned?

  I'll repeat for your selective reading; I never offered to sell anyone, anything, of ANY sort. Oil, parts, bikes, a rally, nothing. You didn't call me on a single thing except sharing a positive experience with an oil product that was related to a topic started by somebody else? That's selling a product? Where? I hadn't sold a single thing to anybody!?
   You're a control freak. Why would I give you money to perpetuate your false pride and ego? Why would I patronize ANY of the businesses that support your site?  

    As a matter of fact I call a boycott of all those businesses that support Matt Watkins and that site. That's how it goes Matt. An official boycott of all those fine folks who help feed your lying ass. Better call and explain it to them as I'll be calling them soon to request they withdraw their support of your site, and all your endeavors. Aren't 800 #s great!?  

 Yup, that's all I'll reply to this thread, as someone requested. Let the phone work begin.    

Have a great week and get out to ride.    

[mxvet57]

That's interesting.  Actually you're not at all banned.....you just didn't seem to follow the instructions about posting in one particular thread first.

wait, what your saying is that ever thread has a different way to post.

every time i try to post i get a "you are not authorised to post"  Even though I'm signed in.

[UFO]

If you don't want to go STFU about the little bitch battles you have on teh internets and don't sign up.

How f'ing difficult of a concept is that to understand?

[FJR1300]

wait, what your saying is that ever thread has a different way to post.

every time i try to post i get a "you are not authorised to post"  Even though I'm signed in.

That's because they require you to post in a specific thread before you can post anywhere else.  I don't remember which thread, but you have to post in it or you'll get that error message.

[FJR1300]

If you don't want to go STFU about the little bitch battles you have on teh internets and don't sign up.

How f'ing difficult of a concept is that to understand?

I agree... although it was stupid for Matt to come over here and post his little comment.

[Ignacio]

wait, what your saying is that ever thread has a different way to post.

every time i try to post i get a "you are not authorised to post"  Even though I'm signed in.

Not every thread...only your very first one.  When you signed up we put this in big, bold, red letters.  Somehow you must have missed it.  

As a new user you MUST first visit the New Forum Members and introduce yourself to the board. Only after you post your first message you will then be allowed to post and view other parts of the board.

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We do it as a technique to avoid spambots and now only get maybe one a month.

[Warchild]

If you don't want to go STFU about the little bitch battles you have on teh internets and don't sign up.

How f'ing difficult of a concept is that to understand?

Exactly so, Skipper.  Then again, these posts from the detractors lend insight to why all (save one) are no longer members of the FJR forum.

And that's fine, really, as it's a big intardweb, and there are plenty of forums to go around.  Bike forums are not Life and Death, and most are not eHarmony and check to see if you have 99 Points of Compatibility.  

It's the Colorado Ride that matters. Here's what the NAFO Gathering is primarily about (shots courtesy of DaveT):


Independence Pass:





Gold Country -- Near Cripple Creek and Victor:





Wilkerson Pass:





FJRForum member DaveT at Loveland Pass:





And a couple of shots from the Pikes Peak Hwy:










         

[sprint_st]

Exactly so, Skipper.  Then again, these posts from the detractors lend insight to why all (save one) are no longer members of the FJR forum.

And that's fine, really, as it's a big intardweb, and there are plenty of forums to go around.  Bike forums are not Life and Death, and most are not eHarmony and check to see if you have 99 Points of Compatibility.  

It's the Colorado Ride that matters. Here's what the NAFO Gathering is primarily about (shots courtesy of DaveT):

When you say "It's the Colorado Ride that matters", that is right.  It is also correct that the NAFO Gathering might not necessarily be the vehicle to best support such a ride.  Nice pics, but you can go to places without NAFO and serves to distract from comments made about it.

Now, the Skipper made his statement.  That statement did not say that you FJRForum admins were right. It said to take it to the dungeon.  So again you are above the rules and continue the malevolence that those detractors lost by coming here.

[Snowbird]

ST.N is the best moderated forum I've seen. In general, it's hands off with the assumption that the members will police the ranks. Sometimes the posts are over the top, but the mods allow things to settle out on their own except in a very few cases such as real spam and any association with drugs (which would actually threaten the forum). And ST.N has few spam problems as far as I know. I respect UFO for this policy.

The problem with moderator intervention is that-- like this thread that now has spilled over onto a different board-- the "solution" becomes the problem; the intervention becomes a topic of its own. The FJR board, of course, sets it's own policies and I have no problem with that as I have no crucial need for the forum... I'm just saying that the policy is short sighted and self-defeating.

Take the case of burnergold's mention of Amsoil. He stated he is only a "dealer" at his own cost, so he really isn't making any money if anyone uses Amsoil or not. I personally don't see that as spam.
On the other hand, when a principal of the FJR Forum comes to ST.N and promotes an event that will benefit the FJR Forum-- whether for profit or not-- that action would be soundly quashed on just about any board except ST.N. If the shoe were on the other foot, Ignacio would be banning folks left and right. This, in my opinion, is a good example of why the FJR Forum is held in low regard by many, many FJR owners. You may think otherwise, but that forum represents only a small part of FJR ownership. I applaud you for whatever success you can point to; I just don't care.

Then, to cite another example of poor judgement, more of the principals of the FJR Forum trot over here to defend themselves or justify their policies, or whatever, but what I really think they'd like to do is to fight; to continue a fight that they held the most potent weapon-- banning-- on one board, and therefore have no reason not to continue the battle elsewhere because they know that the worst they can do is go from a score of 1 to 0 to 1 to 1.

In my opinion, the best internet policy for an individual is to place a wall between boards. That's what I do, and that is why my sign on is different on most boards I visit, especially so if I figure there may be spillover.
I made that decision long ago after watching two guys who were disagreeing  chase each other from board to board. If I have a disagreement with someone on one board, it does not continue on another.
In fact, I've been in a situation where I was in conflict with an individual on one board, and speaking congenially with what I assume was the same guy (same user name) on another.  

In my opinion, people put too much personal identification into their screen characters. Listen carefully: the internet is make believe. It was different back in the days of CompuServe when you logged on under your real name-- remember? ....the one your parents gave you? In my opinion, any moderator or board owner should place a virtual wall between boards, which is not the case in the present example.

So, again, in my opinion, burnergold is a bit more right than Ignacio, TWN and the others. But again, I really don't much care. I have a real life that the internuts is only a little part of.

[elgordo]

ST.N is the best moderated forum I've seen. In general, it's hands off with the assumption that the members will police the ranks. Sometimes the posts are over the top, but the mods allow things to settle out on their own except in a very few cases such as real spam and any association with drugs (which would actually threaten the forum). And ST.N has few spam problems as far as I know. I respect UFO for this policy.

The problem with moderator intervention is that-- like this thread that now has spilled over onto a different board-- the "solution" becomes the problem; the intervention becomes a topic of its own. The FJR board, of course, sets it's own policies and I have no problem with that as I have no crucial need for the forum... I'm just saying that the policy is short sighted and self-defeating.

Take the case of burnergold's mention of Amsoil. He stated he is only a "dealer" at his own cost, so he really isn't making any money if anyone uses Amsoil or not. I personally don't see that as spam.
On the other hand, when a principal of the FJR Forum comes to ST.N and promotes an event that will benefit the FJR Forum-- whether for profit or not-- that action would be soundly quashed on just about any board except ST.N. If the shoe were on the other foot, Ignacio would be banning folks left and right. This, in my opinion, is a good example of why the FJR Forum is held in low regard by many, many FJR owners. You may think otherwise, but that forum represents only a small part of FJR ownership. I applaud you for whatever success you can point to; I just don't care.

Then, to cite another example of poor judgement, more of the principals of the FJR Forum trot over here to defend themselves or justify their policies, or whatever, but what I really think they'd like to do is to fight; to continue a fight that they held the most potent weapon-- banning-- on one board, and therefore have no reason not to continue the battle elsewhere because they know that the worst they can do is go from a score of 1 to 0 to 1 to 1.

In my opinion, the best internet policy for an individual is to place a wall between boards. That's what I do, and that is why my sign on is different on most boards I visit, especially so if I figure there may be spillover.
I made that decision long ago after watching two guys who were disagreeing  chase each other from board to board. If I have a disagreement with someone on one board, it does not continue on another.
In fact, I've been in a situation where I was in conflict with an individual on one board, and speaking congenially with what I assume was the same guy (same user name) on another.  

In my opinion, people put too much personal identification into their screen characters. Listen carefully: the internet is make believe. It was different back in the days of CompuServe when you logged on under your real name-- remember? ....the one your parents gave you? In my opinion, any moderator or board owner should place a virtual wall between boards, which is not the case in the present example.

So, again, in my opinion, burnergold is a bit more right than Ignacio, TWN and the others. But again, I really don't much care. I have a real life that the internuts is only a little part of.

Hmmmm I agree with some parts of what you say but:

If you go back the very 1st post that started this thread, there is absolutely nothing about the fjrforum even the url for the event is for what appears to be a separate website. (yes, owned by Warchild.) The post simply advises of a major FJR event with no reference to any forum.

The fight and fjrforum was initiated on the second post.....

UFOs post was on track. If you don't like something or someone, make a choice not to be involved and get over it.


So back to the thread.....Who's coming to NAFO?

Can we get together a Western Canadian contingent?

[bizarro]

You people are to angry for me. I'm going to the STN National instead.

Nah, you should come to Flylooper's inaugural PO meet in Oregon!

[sprint_st]

Nah, you should come to Flylooper's inaugural PO meet in Oregon!

Will Dakota, jschmidt, county, and bubwheat be there???  Loop might be creating a critical mass  

[bizarro]

I think in all likelyhood it's just going to be west coast gliberals. I'm not going to make it, unfortunately, because I'll still be in class.

[wheatonFJR]

I had fun at the STN National in WV...and I would suspect any FJR owner would have fun at the NAFO meet.  

If you don't...yer just tryin' too hard to have a bad time.  

[TWN]

Ya know, this thread was started merely to extend an invitation to those folks who may want to attend NAFO (the event is open to all owners of any brand of machine who may have an interest in the FJR mark) that are not regulars of FJRForum; even Hank, sprint, burner, et al.  These folks I would really like to meet if I had not before, or if not for nothing but to bury an ax or two and find out who you really are - as people and motorcyclists - over a pint or three.  But, that seems wholly unlikely after this brouhaha.  (If you think my TWN persona is reflective of who I really am, then you are prolly as wrong about that as I am of your neenernet personality v. actual.)

There have been a couple of posts regarding the rally fee and quite frankly, some of those comments are way off base.  If you want to PM me, I'd be happy to give you a break-down.  If you've never put together an event of this nature, then you may not be fully aware of the actual costs involved - and that is understandable.  I've put together hugely larger gigs for my profession's industry and the NAFO fee is by comparison, very reasonable (if not down-right cheap) by any measure.  If the bulk of attendees would prefer a $15 fee, trust me when I tell you, that would be infinitely more easy to arrange and for which to be financially responsible. 

It's really rather simple:  Either come or don't.

If the admins here at ST.n have had enough then please, by all means, feel free to nuke this thread into oblivion.

Oh, BTW:  Biz, most excellent jack!   

[Snowbird]

If the admins here at ST.n have had enough then please, by all means, feel free to nuke this thread into oblivion.

That just does not happen here.

Thanks for the invite.

[SuperHans]

I think in all likelyhood it's just going to be west coast gliberals. I'm not going to make it, unfortunately, because I'll still be in class.

What fun would that be?  

[sprint_st]

What fun would that be?  

I would like to go to Loop's event if all the PO crazies were there.  What a hoot  
Going by two wheels does have it's bad points, W.OH, IN, IL, KS, and E.CO. I know there are other routes and the Rockies would be great, but those flatlands are killer, literally.

[Bearly Flying]

Can we get together a Western Canadian contingent?

El Gordo, I'm already booked in for NAFO.

Probably leave on the 22nd.

[elgordo]

El Gordo, I'm already booked in for NAFO.

Probably leave on the 22nd.

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to wait until it gets closer to see if I can do the time.

It would be very neat if a bunch of Canucks could meet up and ride down together.

[Bogie]

neenernet personality

That made me chuckle...

Do I have to bring my bike?...I could probably just walk over...

Checking schedule......

[squeezer]

That made me chuckle...

Do I have to bring my bike?...I could probably just walk over...

Checking schedule......

Ooh, bring the Transalp.  I've never seen one up close.

Still working on making my own schedule match...

[Geezer]

Count me in for NAFO. I'm looking forward to seeing everyone. Pike's Peak is going to get a lot of motorcycle traffic that weekend.  

[wheatonFJR]

I'm heading South and west past Deckers and beyond...I'm not an ironbutt but I like to ride.  I'll do the chatting with beers after I get back  

[GunMD]

Nice to see that this mellowed a bit and got back on track.  I won't mention whose post seems to have returned us to regularly scheduled programming.    A bit ironic, really.

See ya'll at NAFO.

[DJStevieB]

I'm in for NAFO also.

FWIW... Anybody who knows Warchild, TWN, Iggy and the rest of the FJR yahoos know they're all good people. It's always easy to sit back anonymously and throw out the barbs.

Anyway, see yall in Boulder.....errr... yea, what TWN said.... er.. Golden. Shit.

[TWN]

I'm in for NAFO also.

FWIW... Anybody who knows Warchild, TWN, Iggy and the rest of the FJR yahoos know they're all good people. It's always easy to sit back anonymously and throw out the barbs.

Anyway, see yall in Boulder.

Ah, shucks...  Thanks for the props, but please come see us in Golden.  That's where we'll be!  

[ratbagg]

Nice to see that this mellowed a bit and got back on track.  I won't mention whose post seems to have returned us to regularly scheduled programming.    A bit ironic, really.

See ya'll at NAFO.

That's your second post on this forum.., grease your buddies spam?

[sprint_st]

I'm in for NAFO also.

FWIW... Anybody who knows Warchild, TWN, Iggy and the rest of the FJR yahoos know they're all good people. It's always easy to sit back anonymously and throw out the barbs.

Anyway, see yall in Boulder.....errr... yea, what TWN said.... er.. Golden. Shit.

Let's see, you didn't read the post from UFO, right?  TWN seems to be a real good guy, as are "MOST" of the guys on the FJRForum.  The admins vary but as I said over there a long time ago, after 40 years of riding, and being on everything from ham radio nets to the first bike email lists, guys like Iggy make the FJRForum the worst run forum I have been on due to their totally intrusive and obnoxious style of administrating the forum.  It's like dealing with Nazi's or the KGB.  The jury is out on Warchild.  I only had good dealings with him; however, others have not. This is a great forum, we don't need admins from another net selling their wares here.  We do have a classified section for that.  TWN's original post was just fine, but there are too many guys on this list that have bad experiences with them to allow them a free shot.   As far as the sitting back and anonymously throwing out barbs goes, I would love to have the opportunity to meet Matt or SkooterG up close and personal so they couldn't hide behind the internet.
 

[TriggerT]

Interesting.

I was close to getting myself kicked off of the FJRForum a little while back, and was more than a little pissed about being "Warned" but then thought better of it. As I have heard it expressed on another forum I am active on "Don't Shit In My House." Basically, if you don't like it, feel free to leave.

Do I think the admins on the FJR Forum might be a little heavy handed? Maybe. Does it keep that forum on track and avoid complete dog pile, worthless threads, no question.

I have been in for the NAFO meeting for awhile, and that wont change. What has changed is how I feel towards this forum. Too bad for me, I guess.

[Snowbird]

Interesting.

I was close to getting myself kicked off of the FJRForum a little while back, and was more than a little pissed about being "Warned" but then thought better of it. As I have heard it expressed on another forum I am active on "Don't Shit In My House." Basically, if you don't like it, feel free to leave.

Do I think the admins on the FJR Forum might be a little heavy handed? Maybe. Does it keep that forum on track and avoid complete dog pile, worthless threads, no question.

I have been in for the NAFO meeting for awhile, and that wont change. What has changed is how I feel towards this forum. Too bad for me, I guess.

Well Trigger, I did not come close to being kicked off, nor was I warned, but clearly Ignacio was looking to show me his clout in one post where he first twisted my words, and then posted an accusatory response.

And I don't go to the FJR Forum much. Some of the accepted FJR wisdom posted is clearly wrong; the attitudes and moderating grate on me; and there are souces just as reliable.

Lastly, for the record, my initial questioning of this event was merely that it is single brand, single model. I does not matter to me if "others are welcome, of course" or not.... the concept still does nothing for me. Others, of course, are welcome to do whatever they'd enjoy.

The controversy regarding the FJR Forum is and remains a side issue. Seems like enough hard feelings have been aroused that the two will be forever linked.    Make your bed and lie in it.

[TriggerT]

So don't go. Problem solved. You can not like it, along with many other things.

[sprint_st]

Interesting.

I was close to getting myself kicked off of the FJRForum a little while back, and was more than a little pissed about being "Warned" but then thought better of it. As I have heard it expressed on another forum I am active on "Don't Shit In My House." Basically, if you don't like it, feel free to leave.

Do I think the admins on the FJR Forum might be a little heavy handed? Maybe. Does it keep that forum on track and avoid complete dog pile, worthless threads, no question.

I have been in for the NAFO meeting for awhile, and that wont change. What has changed is how I feel towards this forum. Too bad for me, I guess.

What's really interesting is the demographics of FJR drivers as a group.  In true Ignuts fashion, if you want to see what i mean by that, use the search function and find the survey that gives those stats.   If because of this discussion your feelings for this forum have diminished and your feelings for dog pile central have increased, there is no doubt you have found a home.  Are those admins heavy handed, damn straight. Is it necessary? Hell no!!!   There are far more raving lunatics on this forum and the admins don't have to resort to that BS.  The dungeon has way more potential for dog piles, a term I learned on the fjrforum, but you don't see very many there at all.  What you don't see here but you do on the fjrforum is admins creating dog piles.  Snowbird is right on target.

[Snowbird]

Would someone please go over to the FJR Forum and post about group meetings their web site is planning? Let's give them the opportunity to reciprocate hospitality.

[jude]

Would someone please go over to the FJR Forum and post about group meetings their web site is planning? Let's give them the opportunity to reciprocate hospitality.

Ahem...

If the FJR Forum personas had not chimed in, this would have properly died a long time ago.   But, as someone said to me, they're like monkeys caught with their hand in a cookie jar-- they can't let go.  

 

[burnergold2B]

Nice to see that this mellowed a bit and got back on track.  I won't mention whose post seems to have returned us to regularly scheduled programming.    A bit ironic, really.

See ya'll at NAFO.

 Yes, to return to your regularly scheduled censorship please return to Baghdad, err, umm, I mean the Ignacio ignorants circle jerking central.  

[sprint_st]

Ahem...
 

Even after UFO says take it to the Dungeon, the lemmings come over here to comment.  The big difference here is that we CAN respond and WILL respond.  There are a few people around who do fight back and there are a few people who ride FJR's who are capable of seeing that guys like Ignuts have control issues.

[FJRmgm]

Crap, either keep this thread ON TOPIC about the FJR gathering or take your damned bitching about everything SOMEWHERE ELSE.

[Snowbird]

Crap, either keep this thread ON TOPIC about the FJR gathering or take your damned bitching about everything SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Naw, it's winter. This is the best gig in town.  

[ratbagg]

Crap, either keep this thread ON TOPIC about the FJR gathering or take your damned bitching about everything SOMEWHERE ELSE.

This topic started in the FJRforum and it should have stayed there. But TWN brought it here so now we get to post whatever we like about their topic. Isn't that how it works?

[wheatonFJR]

This topic started in the FJRforum and it should have stayed there. But TWN brought it here so now we get to post whatever we like about their topic. Isn't that how it works?

     

So what you are saying is that your fellow FJR owners here don't deserve to hear about it...cuz YOU  say so?  You like to piss in your fellow STNer's Wheaties I see-for what reason?  

See you at NAFO...or atleast your fellow STN FJR riders...
If you show up at NAFO, atleast have the decency to introduce yourself.  You can't possibly be as much of a dick that you appear to be here.  

[FJRmgm]

take a look at the posts from the disgruntled ex-FJRforum.com members in this thread and note the tone and comments in the posts - THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE REAL REASON THEY WERE BANNED FROM THAT FORUM as they tried to do the same thing over there and the moderators would not allow it.

Nothing but bitching and complaining - and we don't miss them one bit.

[elgordo]

 

I just looked at the profiles of several posters here and noted the number of people that each was being ignored by.

At the time of this post:
Ignacio        0
Warchild      0
TWN           0

snowbird     15
ratbagg        8
burnergold2b 4

Kinda says it all....    

That ignore button does an amazing job of cleaning up threads...Thanks Bearly Flying!

[Bearly Flying]

Now that we can get back to regularly scheduled programming.

Are you any closer to figuring out your schedule for heading to NAFO???

[bubba zanetti]

 

I just looked at the profiles of several posters here and noted the number of people that each was being ignored by.

At the time of this post:
Ignacio        0
Warchild      0
TWN           0

snowbird     15
ratbagg        8
burnergold2b 4

Kinda says it all....    

That ignore button does an amazing job of cleaning up threads...Thanks Bearly Flying!

   ... you tread a bit harshly ... but you speak the truth.

[squeezer]

Now that we can get back to regularly scheduled programming.

Are you any closer to figuring out your schedule for heading to NAFO???

It's still iffy for me.  To be honest, a big draw for me is that it's pretty much a perfect BBG from my front door to the hotel and if I do the ride, I know I won't have to scrounge for a witness at the far end.     If I go, I'll show up sometime Friday afternoon ready to go to sleep.  I'll probably take an easy ride Saturday to look at some scenery, meet some folks at the banquet Saturday night, and head back east on Sunday.  

I'm waiting for my wife's business travel schedule to get sorted out first, then we'll plan a vacation with the kids.  If that part of July is still open, it's daddy-on-the-bike time.  

[sprint_st]

 

I just looked at the profiles of several posters here and noted the number of people that each was being ignored by.

At the time of this post:
Ignacio        0
Warchild      0
TWN           0

snowbird     15
ratbagg        8
burnergold2b 4

Kinda says it all....    

That ignore button does an amazing job of cleaning up threads...Thanks Bearly Flying!

Figures lie, liars figure.  The only time WC or Ignuts come over here is to promote their BS.  TWN had a very valid original post. Yes NAFO is clearly of interest to FJR drivers on STN.  The bitching had absolutely nothing about NAFO.  Whether YOU like it or not, this forum would be much better off if their admins stay on THEIR forum.

[squeezer]

Would someone please go over to the FJR Forum and post about group meetings their web site is planning? Let's give them the opportunity to reciprocate hospitality.

Done that.  Wasn't an issue.

[Bearly Flying]

Squeezer, If you need an IBA witness, I would be more than happy to help you out.

[squeezer]

Squeezer, If you need an IBA witness, I would be more than happy to help you out.

Very cool, BF.  Thanks.  I'll give you a ping if I ever figure out what I'm doing.

[elgordo]

It's still iffy for me.  To be honest, a big draw for me is that it's pretty much a perfect BBG from my front door to the hotel and if I do the ride, I know I won't have to scrounge for a witness at the far end.    

That aspect looks interesting for me too, but I don't think I'll have much luck getting barb to ride that far, that fast and I do want her to be part of it. She has only ridden for a season and a half. On her FZ6 she has had enough after about 500-600 miles in one day.

[Bearly Flying]

El Gordo, You go for it. I can.....ughhhh babysit Barb... uhmmm........ Really I don't mind.....

[bubba zanetti]

Go to sleep folks ... a little serenade for you ...

[Bearly Flying]

A little AC/DC coming to you live on Brockett 99.

[Snowbird]

I just looked at the profiles of several posters here and noted the number of people that each was being ignored by.

At the time of this post:
Ignacio        0
Warchild      0
TWN           0

snowbird     15
ratbagg        8
burnergold2b 4

Kinda says it all....     

That ignore button does an amazing job of cleaning up threads...Thanks Bearly Flying!

I am in favor of your putting me on ignore.   

 

[elgordo]

El Gordo, You go for it. I can.....ughhhh babysit Barb... uhmmm........ Really I don't mind.....

Dunno who would be doing who the favour here?  

[UFO]

Figures lie, liars figure.  The only time WC or Ignuts come over here is to promote their BS.  TWN had a very valid original post. Yes NAFO is clearly of interest to FJR drivers on STN.  The bitching had absolutely nothing about NAFO.  Whether YOU like it or not, this forum would be much better off if their admins stay on THEIR forum.

Let's be clear here guys.  Yes, they are admins over there, but they are also members here.  They have the same rights to be able to post items that interest riders as anyone else.  They don't have the right to come over here and dredge up FJR drama from ex-members over there...so far I haven't really seen that.

As far as I'm concerned this thread was to inform people about NAFO.  Everyone else brought their dirty laundry in and began flinging it around.

That's not how the Skipper rolls.  He hates picking up other peoples' skidmarked underwear.

If members of that forum are exercising their right to post normal topics they have every right to be here as you guys.  If they're coming over to incite a flamewar I will send them messages.

Bottomline:  This thread is about NAFO.  Period.  If you aren't interested in going and have some freakin' axe to grind, then do it somewhere else.

Thanks.

[bikerskier]

Thanks, Neal.
I look forward to learning and contibuting on this great site and I get really bored with the whiners.

[TWN]

Thanks, Skipper.

Just to be clear:  Everyone with an FJR, is a riding friend of an owner or has interest in the mark is welcome to attend NAFO.  Everyone.

[Snowbird]

Once again, UFO demonstrates that he's the best among the best when it comes to administering a web site.  

TWN, as I said before, thanks for the invitation. Ride safe.  

[Warchild]

We recently added four new vendors to the NAFO Sponsor page, which has quite an impressive list of well-known and established vendors, such as Yamaha USA corporation, Remus Exhaust, California Sport Touring, FJRGoodies.com, Superbrace, and the latest entry, Murphskits.com, a vendor well-known in the Concours community.  

There will be several thousand dollars of goodies given away as door prizes

NAFO Sponsors  

[Huron52]

  YES!   Keep the list growing.....  

[motorcyclelarry]

Thanks, Skipper.

Just to be clear:  Everyone with an FJR, is a riding friend of an owner or has interest in the mark is welcome to attend NAFO.  Everyone.

TWN  

Tim that is not totally true .    I am going to be in Ojai this weekend are you going to be around, I would like to talk with you in person if possible.

Thanks
Larry

I had a great time at WFO-6 last year.  Meet a lot of great customers, did some great riding the food was pretty good and we did bar riser, fork brace etc.  installs in the parking lot and donated all the install money to Multiple Sclerosis, about $3500.00 worth.   Part of that was donated by the WFO and motorcyclelarry matched there donation.  Here is a link that shows some of the guys we did installs for and the amount they donated.
http://www.nationalmssociety.org/site/TR?px=2260376&pg=personal&fr_id=5410

[FJR1300]

Thanks, Skipper.

Just to be clear:  Everyone with an FJR, is a riding friend of an owner or has interest in the mark is welcome to attend NAFO.  Everyone.

So... I could come to NAFO?  I was under the impression you had to be a member fjrforum.com and in good standing.

[TWN]

So... I could come to NAFO?  I was under the impression you had to be a member fjrforum.com and in good standing.

Yep, you are welcome to come (and I should have added earlier) as long as you are well intentioned and plan to have a fun time.  There are a number of folks attending who are not on FJRForum.com.

[v65]

I would like to go to Loop's event if all the PO crazies were there.  What a hoot  
Going by two wheels does have it's bad points, W.OH, IN, IL, KS, and E.CO. I know there are other routes and the Rockies would be great, but those flatlands are killer, literally.

I wish mapquest didn't topography on their maps, nothing between me and NAFO but flat

[squeezer]

I wish mapquest didn't topography on their maps, nothing between me and NAFO but flat

That's why I'm thinkin' IBA ride on the way there.  And once you get there...  

[TriggerT]

Yup. The ride out to NAFO is going to be boring as hell, but as squeezer said, that is why I am planning an Iron Butt run for the ride out. For me it is going to be a BBG. I did my SS1K on the way out to CFO last year. Is it July yet?!?

[Warchild]

After countless hours of wrestling with XML code and Javascripting....  the "NAFO Players"  map is now online!    

Linky ==> Google Map of NAFO Players





ASSuming he rides from his home in Hammonds Plains, Nova Scotia, it looks like gypsy will be a shoo-in for the "Farthest NAFO Attendee" Award....  

[squeezer]

That's excellent.  I'm 1500 miles from the hotel and gypsy is over 1000 miles east of me.  Sweet trip.

[FJRmgm]

you have Groo from Houston on the map but not me.

I live about a half-mile from Groo.

[FJRSTAR]

FJRMGM,

I just checked and you are on the map but not Groo. Not sure what's going on.

Edit:  Figured it out.

The flag shows your name when you click on it but Groo's address when you zoom in on it.  

[Warchild]

Here was the deal: both Groo and FJRMGM used the *exact*, same GPS coordinates, but FJRMGM had the later entry into the XML file, so he "stepped on" Groo's balloon.

I fixed it by moving FJRMGM's longitude at tiny bit west, and now when you zoom in on the south Houston area, the two balloons are distinctly separate.

[squeezer]

Here was the deal: both Groo and FJRMGM used the *exact*, same GPS coordinates, but FJRMGM had the later entry into the XML file, so he "stepped on" Groo's balloon.

Yeah, the registration instructions kind of lead to that.  We were asked to enter the lat & long given by that zip code site, so that's what I did instead of entering the lat & long for my home address.  So, of course, everyone from the same zip code will be stepping on each other's balloons.

Not a big deal.  We still get a sense of where people are coming from even if we don't get a clear sense of how many are coming from each zip code.  It's good.

[Robert]

Using the zip code doesn't work too well, It put me in the desert waaaay south of my location(85302)

[Ignacio]

Registration continues to roll along nicely with 184 people registered and paid.  This pace certainly exceeds WFO last year and looks to be the largest gathering of FJR's in the world.

See y'all in Golden.  

[Warchild]

Registration continues to roll along nicely with 184 people registered and paid.

Yep.... the NAFO Players map is getting a bit more crowded as well....

http://www.fjrtech.com/nafo/nafomap.cfm



You have to zoom in close to see the mass of attendees in California, PacNorWest, Colorado, etc.

We even have one attendee who is coming all the way from eastern Europe:





 

[TriggerT]

Just broke the 230 person mark. I know there are few other people that are planning on going that aren't being shown on the map yet, so hopefully we will break the 250 mark!

[Ignacio]

Just broke the 230 person mark. I know there are few other people that are planning on going that aren't being shown on the map yet, so hopefully we will break the 250 mark!

Remember those are people that registered, but haven't necessarily paid.  In fact, the confirmed count at http://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=30543&st=0#entry359095 is 216.    The 250+ mark is still very possible if registration rates continue.....which would be the largest gathering of FJR's ever!