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« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2008, 09:08:42 PM »

I start with the lower areas of the bike, since they will be the dirtiest.  Any greasy areas get cleaned up with a cloth dampened with WD-40 or with a cleaner/wax product if it's a painted or plastic area.

Then take it from the top with S-100 as other posts describe.  The big timesaver....dry off only the pipes, then take the bike for a 5-minute ride at 50mph+ .  Most of the water will either blow off or shake off when the bike goes over bumps.  Then finish drying any areas that are still wet.  (After a few washes you will figure out what areas need to be dried before the dryoff ride).

Last, wax any areas that need it.
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« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2008, 10:16:26 PM »




It was a garden hose... Pat's home is Fairfield California and it enjoys low humidity year around...

Out in CA is perfect for motorcyclist... you can get your fill of riding without having to resort to the few wet days...


You're missing the point:  Galvanic corrosion happens no matter what you do, and indicates either poor engineering (or procurement) design in the choice of materials (dissimilar metals with no insulation between them or sacrificial anode).  Or perhaps he used the wrong greese in there which accelerated the corrosion.  Either way, it shouldn't have happened, and I've been cleaning bikes with a garden hose, doing river crossings and mud riding, and riding in severe rain for over 30 years.  The only time I've ever seen something like that was due to galvanic corrosion on a boat prop shaft with bad zincs.
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« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2008, 12:50:07 AM »




You're missing the point:  Galvanic corrosion happens no matter what you do, and indicates either poor engineering (or procurement) design in the choice of materials (dissimilar metals with no insulation between them or sacrificial anode).  Or perhaps he used the wrong greese in there which accelerated the corrosion.  Either way, it shouldn't have happened, and I've been cleaning bikes with a garden hose, doing river crossings and mud riding, and riding in severe rain for over 30 years.  The only time I've ever seen something like that was due to galvanic corrosion on a boat prop shaft with bad zincs.


The axle is all the same 4140 steel covered by an aluminum wheel... no dissimilar metals... so as
long as the steel stays dry there's no corrosion and the axle looks like this...



But if you hit the assembly with a garden hose then don't bother removing the moisture... the
aluminum wheel traps the moisture and the steel corrodes... so the axle ended up looking like
this...


Or like this...

 
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« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2008, 04:35:45 AM »

1. Find a rain storm
2. Ride there.
3. All clean!
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« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2008, 08:13:19 AM »

I don't have any tips, but here's part 1 of a 5 part series on YouTube:

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« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2008, 02:33:13 PM »



The axle is all the same 4140 steel covered by an aluminum wheel... no dissimilar metals... so as
long as the steel stays dry there's no corrosion and the axle looks like this...

But if you hit the assembly with a garden hose then don't bother removing the moisture... the
aluminum wheel traps the moisture and the steel corrodes... so the axle ended up looking like
this...



AAARGH.... Larry... no!  The steel and aluminum corroded because they were in electrical contact with each other.  Aluminum and steel are VERY dissimilar metals, spaced pretty far away from each other on the galvanic table.  (Look it up, along with doing some homework on how galvanic corrosion works as a degradation mechanism).

The other reality is that while aluminum is very active on the galvanic table and easily corroded, aluminum oxide is not, and forms a very nice protective coating usually about 0.005 mils thick very quickly.  However, this layer is easily removed by agitation, such as vibrations and mechanical motion, thus creating fresh aluminum oxide very quickly.  The aluminum, thus being in electrical contact with the steel corrodes galvanically, and even the relative humidity in the air will enable the corrosion to occur (though much slower than spraying it with a hose or riding in the rain).

There are only 4 things you can do to mitigate galvanic corrosion:  
1) don't use dissimilar metals on the galvanic table, or choose metals that are very close on the table and thus will have a very slow corrosion rate (not practical for probably 90% of mechanical design).  
2) Use an impressed current system to counter the galvanic potential voltage and thus stop any corrosion.  (Requires a power source, often not practical without some type of 'shore power' available, and interstingly enough, the presense of shore power in dense marinas has actually been shown to speed corrosion in boats due to the electromagetic fields created.)
3) Use a sacrificial anode.  Often made of zinc.  The zinc is in the galvanic electrical circuit with the dissimilar metals.  Since zinc is so galvanically active, it corrodes readily.  After it corrodes to a specified limit, you replace them.  (Any of you with boats:  Check your zincs every time you pull the boat out of the water!  They've been known to weaken and fall off due to the expected corrosion they go through, and carefully follow the manufacturer's replacement criteria, and NEVER paint them.)
4) Electrically insulate the dissimilar metals from each other and thus eliminate the galvanic potential altogether.

Had I been the one to design it, I would have anodized the aluminum wheel and hub.  A proper aluminum anodization (Al2O3) is about 1 mil thick, is harder than everything except diamond, is highly corrosion resistant, even in salt water, and most importantly, is highly electrically resistant and would require about 800 volts to pass a current through a 1 mil thick anodized layer.  In other words, would have prevented any galvanic corrosion between the steel and the aluminum because the two dissimilar metals would have been insulated from each other.  

Makes me wonder if this was another case of a bean counter ruining a perfectly good design.  Any mechanical or materials engineer worth his salt would know this intuitively.  However, anodizing aluminum parts is not cheap and takes a lot of electricity in the process.

Thus endeth the engineering lesson for the day.
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« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2008, 02:57:01 PM »




Look it up, along with doing some homework on how galvanic corrosion works as a degradation mechanism.




Preventing galvanic corrosion:

Step 1 keep the metals dry.

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« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2008, 03:01:33 PM »

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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2008, 04:20:34 PM »



Preventing galvanic corrosion:

Step 1 keep the metals dry.



No again!  Gavlanic corrosion will occur simply due to relative humidity in the air, just at a slower rate.  Or for that matter, any other semi-polar liquid that is capable of carrying a spare electron or two... believe it or not, some greases can do that.

But then again, we're back to square one.  You Californians never ride in the rain and thus are perfectly willing to accept bad engineering I guess.
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« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2008, 07:30:26 PM »




No again!  Gavlanic corrosion will occur simply due to relative humidity in the air, just at a slower rate.  Or for that matter, any other semi-polar liquid that is capable of carrying a spare electron or two... believe it or not, some greases can do that.

But then again, we're back to square one.  You Californians never ride in the rain and thus are perfectly willing to accept bad engineering I guess.


You're right...  we are back to square one:

Relative humidity in our part of California runs about 15%...

This is my axle after 2 years without garden hose moisture...



This is Pat's axle after 6 months worth of garden hose moisture... the parts of the 4140 steel
that were hidden by the wheel trapped the moisture and the steel corroded... the parts of the
4140 steel that were exposed to the open air did not corroded...  







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