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Nouroog

« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2008, 11:33:04 AM »



And do we really need the V4 discussion here given that there are exactly zero V4's on the grid?


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« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2008, 11:33:04 AM »

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« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2008, 11:51:10 AM »


I think the cameras missed it.  They didn't show it during the race either.  There was just a shot of Max walking through the kitty litter.  Wasn't until I read this thread that I found out he broke his wrist.  Has any heard how bad it is?  Will be be back for Valencia?
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“I had the speed to do well in the first race,” he said, “but I lost the front end at the slow-speed hairpin, falling to the ground unexpectedly!”

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and will be forced to miss the WSBK test at Valencia later in March.

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« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2008, 02:44:08 PM »


 

You fail to mention however, that in WSBK racing, the big stage, the 1 litre Ducati L-twin won what, 3 out of 5 championships racing against the 1 litre I-4s, once the playing field was leveled by technical accommodations, and on road racing tracks that feature fewer "drag strips."




O.K.I`ve won 5 bucks.Unlike in US,in WSB Ducatis have been allowed special parts even in era of equal displacement.When they get no special treatment they stand no chance.If the v2 is so superior why in the hell Ducati is racing V4 in Moto GP ?. Headscratch Headscratch.

Cos V2 stands no chance vs mulitis on equal terms.

BTW,powerbands of 1000 cc I4 are Montana wide these days.
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« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2008, 03:29:29 PM »

Bah.  They all just wish they were triples.
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« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2008, 11:55:06 PM »


And do we really need the V4 discussion here given that there are exactly zero V4's on the grid?


You bet we need to discuss V4s because it's a shame there are zero V4s on the grid... everyone
wants to see their favorite engine architect compete... so let's bring them back by popular
demand... like haven't we seen enough I4s and V2s to last a life time???  
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« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2008, 12:21:41 AM »

Popular demand being the key part of your post. Smile

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« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2008, 07:27:16 PM »


Popular demand being the key part of your post. Smile


I'm working on that one rider at a time... so far I've gotten some favorable comments...

Quote DOC WONG 996 Ducati:
Hey Larry, Thanks for letting me ride your RC 45.  The bike was pretty amazing.  It was
deceptively fast and very light. How big is the motor on that thing? I was pretty impressed
with how comfortable the bike was even on the track. Your footpeg, handle bar and seat mods
made it easier to circulate around the track! My 996 felt like a tractor-tank compared to Mr RC45.



Quote Andrew S3 Triumph Triple
"OMG.  The RC45 is amazing.  It feels nothing like a VFR motor (Which I don't think is anything
special, anyhow.) The RC45 motor is amazing, smooth, torquey, not at all lumpy like I think of
the VFR. Larry may have converted me to a V4 aficionado."



Quote Denise Howard ARM racer #732 Honda 929 Aprilia RS250

I'm here to tell ya, Larry is right--V4's are a hoot! and I've ridden a VFR, it was nothing like
this, not the same! not at all. He offered to let me ride Mr. RC45 #2 for a few miles today, and
my only regret is that I didn't get to do any freeway squirts. The engine is sneaky-fast--it
doesn't rip your arms out of their sockets, and the engine doesn't sound like it's doing any
work, you just very (VERY) quickly realize "Hey, how come everything's going by so fast?!?"  
Nice ergos, too--the only sportbike I've ever sat on that comes close to that much comfort is
the Aprilia RS250. Everyone should have one of these.  Not the same! Not at all. I've ridden a
VFR, and it was nothing like this. How do we get Honda to start making them again? I'd even
trade in my 929. I've ridden a VFR, and it was nothing like this 8-)



Quote Holly Obert Honda VTR SuperHawk
Seeing as how I had ridden Andrew's Speed Triple, I had no decent way
to refuse Larry's offer to ride the RC45 later when we stopped at
Moskowite Corners. Poor Larry's heart sank at my enthusiasm for the
Triumph, and I began to feel like a Honda traitor. I would hate to be
the one who wrecks that bike, mostly because it is so special to
Larry. I was terrified of dropping it, terrified of the quick throttle
he put on it... just plain terrified, I suppose. But I settled into
that comfy seat he made, gently twisted the throttle, eased out the
clutch and sauntered on down the road.

And didn't come back for another ten miles! Compared to the Speed
Triple, the RC45 had a familiar V4 torquiness and sound, but it
vibrated a lot more than my old Magna, although in a totally different
way from my Superhawk. You know Larry's .sig, "music to the seat of my
pants?" I always wondered what that meant but now I know. I have only
ridden one inline four, but I don't remember it being like that,
either, so I think this must be a peculiar quality of the RC45 or
something. It was infinitely more flickable than my VTR, and super
light. I haven't ridden anything like an R6 or R1 or GSXR, so I can't
really compare it against a wide range of sportbikes. Maybe some of
this is just generic sportbike-ness, but to me, it certainly seemed
different and lots of fun.

It's also hard to say how much of it is due to the bike itself and how
much is due to Larry's modifications. He's got it so set up according
to his own preferences and mechanical inclinations, that riding his
RC45 is like getting to know him a little bit. I rolled back to the
Corners just as Larry was beginning to get a little worried. Thanks
for trusting me to ride it, Larry. Not many people will get a chance
to ride one of those.
 
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« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2008, 07:46:34 PM »

 Hmmmmnnnnnn.......fun reads and I doubt nothing, but.....what does that last one have to do with Phillip Island?
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Nouroog

« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2008, 09:24:39 PM »

Nothing. Lol And I believe Larry's posted each of those very same quotes 17.2 times, give or take a tenth, already.
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« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2008, 12:00:06 AM »


Nothing. Lol And I believe Larry's posted each of those very same quotes 17.2 times, give or take a tenth, already.


I working on a new quote but DD turned me down during WCRM 4... like ain't no way in hell she
was going ride Mr.RC45...
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« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2008, 04:12:26 AM »




I working on a new quote but DD turned me down during WCRM 4... like ain't no way in hell she
was going ride Mr.RC45...

I was about to post that she exhibits good taste but then I recalled she owns a KLR so... Bigsmile
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« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2008, 10:07:37 AM »



I was about to post that she exhibits good taste but then I recalled she owns a KLR so... Bigsmile


Dantes Dame has the power... makes me nervous just being around her... because where she
goes... all of STN goes...
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« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2008, 10:38:59 AM »

Honeys catch more flies than RC45s.
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« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2008, 04:18:45 PM »




You mean when fewer technical accommodations are allowed by the sanctioning body to level the playing field so differently configured power plants can compete equally, partly because the #1 rider for the racing series' major sponsor, (who was using traction control for years before it was legal) would complain vigorously when he had no clear advantage, and on race tracks with long straights where the inherit peak power advantage of the I-4 can be exploited, the 1 litre I-4s have an unfair advantage and will dominate. AMA championship? You mean the Suzuki Cup don't you?  

You fail to mention however, that in WSBK racing, the big stage, the 1 litre Ducati L-twin won what, 3 out of 5 championships racing against the 1 litre I-4s, once the playing field was leveled by technical accommodations, and on road racing tracks that feature fewer "drag strips."

Any I-4 argument goes like this: We are a superior engine because we make more power. If you can't make that power with the same displacement, that's your problem. Might is right. So when reasonably minded people, who understand that more than four companies should be able to compete for the good of the sport, make allowances for technical accommodations so other manufacturers, 1/10 the size of the big Japanese conglomerates, can give their engines close to the same horsepower, and can then go racing against 1 litre I-4s, the counter-argument/whinning starts when the I-4s lose because I-4 fans, whose typical mentality re horsepower is "mine's bigger than yours", can't accept that races can be won with bikes that make less horepower, as peak horsepower is the I-4's lone advantage/bragging right.

You can thank Ducati for doing far more for road racing than any of the big four who have sought to shut competition out and dominate the market rather than allowing fair access to other configurations. If things go as planned, BMW, and KTM will also be racing twins in WSBK thanks to Ducati's efforts against the hegemony of the big four, and how much more interesting will that series be to watch/hear than AMA/Suzuki Cup racing? Smile

BTW, anybody with access to a computer can easily develop a "clue" about the regulations, they're not exactly in the realm of a privileged few.


No offense, but think of your rationale in terms of this.....
Replace your v2 argument with a single cyclinder thumper. Handicap all multis and twins to comparible power figures of a thumper, and I'd wager that the thumper's torque spread would dominate.
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« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2008, 04:18:45 PM »


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« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2008, 06:06:25 PM »



I was about to post that she exhibits good taste but then I recalled she owns a KLR so... Bigsmile


You haven't seen her KLR.  It is COOL!  It has a Barbie lunch box strapped to the back, mostly because it is waterproof.  Nothing says  Twofinger I don't care what you think better than a fading Barbie lunch box attached to a KLR.  If that isn't great, then nothing is.
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« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2008, 04:13:23 AM »




You haven't seen her KLR.  It is COOL!  It has a Barbie lunch box strapped to the back, mostly because it is waterproof.  Nothing says  Twofinger I don't care what you think better than a fading Barbie lunch box attached to a KLR.  If that isn't great, then nothing is.

Okay I'll concede that for a KLR it's cool, but still a KLR... Bigsmile
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