Tiered license system

[02Tac]

 Here is what I would like to see. Granted, anyone already possesing a license would be exempt.

Tier 1 - 250cc limit - might consider a slighly higher initial limit depending on what bikes are available.

Tier 2 - 750cc limit - After 2 or 3 years with 250 license and no more than 2 speeding violation. 1 violation if excessive (100mph+) would reset the clock

Tier 3 - No cc limit - After 2-3 years with 750 license and same speeding rules

[scott-sts]

I only use full synthetic ABS tires.

[DogBoy]

Great. Another "I've already got mine but here's what everyone else should do thread."

[R.Markus]

Great. Another "I've already got mine but here's what everyone else should do thread."

Exactly.

[zer0netgain]

 Here is what I would like to see. Granted, anyone already possesing a license would be exempt.

Tier 1 - 250cc limit - might consider a slighly higher initial limit depending on what bikes are available.

Tier 2 - 750cc limit - After 2 or 3 years with 250 license and no more than 2 speeding violation. 1 violation if excessive (100mph+) would reset the clock

Tier 3 - No cc limit - After 2-3 years with 750 license and same speeding rules

I disagree with the speeding BS.  It means an effective license revocation if you don't have a bike of the correct cc rating to fall back on, and since most speeding laws are BS to start with it's just an overdone punishment.  Might as well just say license revocation for conviction of a reckless driving charge.

I do believe there should be a cc limit on new license holders, but I think it would have to be under 500, under 1000, 1000 & over.  A possible alternative could be based on gross vehicle weight, but that could be problematic all around.

Frankly, once you master a sub-500cc bike, any size up from that is your discretion.  The key should be that you learned to handle being on two wheels responsibly and learned something about respecting what the bike can and can't do.

[bubba zanetti]

 Here is what I would like to see. Granted, anyone already possesing a license would be exempt.

Tier 1 - 250cc limit - might consider a slighly higher initial limit depending on what bikes are available.

Tier 2 - 750cc limit - After 2 or 3 years with 250 license and no more than 2 speeding violation. 1 violation if excessive (100mph+) would reset the clock

Tier 3 - No cc limit - After 2-3 years with 750 license and same speeding rules

Add to that ... upon reaching the elderly age of 50, the system will start to reverse so that by the advanced age of 65 you may only ride a 250cc or less.

[pmax]

Please.  We don't have enough bureaucracy already

[traveler]

Add to that ... upon reaching the elderly age of 50, the system will start to reverse so that by the advanced age of 65 you may only ride a 250cc or less.

Being the fossil that I am, I say BITE ME.

[megillet]

Add to that ... upon reaching the elderly age of 50, the system will start to reverse so that by the advanced age of 65 you may only ride a 250cc or less.

Honda would fight that tooth and nail, since they would loose a majority of their Gold Wing market.  

[02Tac]

Great. Another "I've already got mine but here's what everyone else should do thread."

 True, but I actually did my street biking in a tiered process.  I went from a 500 to 600 to the current 1200

[bubba zanetti]

Being the fossil that I am, I say BITE ME.

moi aussi  

[Snowbird]

Read my sig for my view of tiered licensing. How anyone would think there is either a need or justification for tiered licensing is beyond me.  

[02Tac]

I disagree with the speeding BS.  It means an effective license revocation if you don't have a bike of the correct cc rating to fall back on, and since most speeding laws are BS to start with it's just an overdone punishment.  Might as well just say license revocation for conviction of a reckless driving charge.

I do believe there should be a cc limit on new license holders, but I think it would have to be under 500, under 1000, 1000 & over.  A possible alternative could be based on gross vehicle weight, but that could be problematic all around.

Frankly, once you master a sub-500cc bike, any size up from that is your discretion.  The key should be that you learned to handle being on two wheels responsibly and learned something about respecting what the bike can and can't do.

ZERO - Read the first line.  Existing license holders would not be affected.  As far as the cc limits, I would be willing to discuss the tier sizes. I just tossed out some off the top of my head sizes

[LitzerSki]

I think this is the worst thing anyone could possibly do for the motorcycling industry, PEROID.  

Unless your point is to have fewer bikes and more cars on the road, then...hell...let's implement it tomorrow.  

[ctbandit]

Eh, you say you did yours tiered but you went from 500, not 250.

the cc's don't really matter as much as power/weight anyway. If anything like this ever(it won't) went trough, manufacturers would just start making race replica 500's and 250's like they do with the 600's now, and the cc limit wouldn't do anything.

I started off on an aged 400(all of 35hp and 375lbs i think), but that was my choice. Somehow without knowing all that much I knew I shouldn't give myself a lot of power off the bat. But there was almost nothing in the way of government/state educating me about it.

You want safer beginning riders? Courses like the msf should be mandatory and more comprehensive. In my state, I was on my bike and riding it for 20 bucks and a half hour at the dmv. Nothing else.   Luckily I did alright, but I don't think cc class tiers is the answer.

[02Tac]

I think this is the worst thing anyone could possibly do for the motorcycling industry, PEROID.  

Unless your point is to have fewer bikes and more cars on the road, then...hell...let's implement it tomorrow.  

Works just fine in a number of other countries.  I also believe it would actually benefit us by giving the manufacturers a reason to bring in a larger variet of smaller bikes which in turn may actually attract more riders.  

[county]

So, would this be a Federal License that'd be required in addition to state licenses?

[DogBoy]

Works just fine in a number of other countries.  I also believe it would actually benefit us by giving the manufacturers a reason to bring in a larger variet of smaller bikes which in turn may actually attract more riders.  

Any stats to back this up? IIRC, in past discussions of tiered licensing no one has produced statistics that prove tiered licensing reduces accidents, injuries or fatalities.

BTW, I believe the UK restricts new riders by hp rather than cc limit. Your cc limit is unworkable because there is no correlation between cc's and HP across all bikes. Or are you trying to run HD out of business?  

[LitzerSki]

I question whether it would deter more potential riders then it would attract.  Especially here in America where bigger is better.  

Someone mentioned a hp/weight ratio, which I believe is the only way to do it here.  3.5 years ago, I started on one of the new air-cooled Triumph twins (~800cc) and it was perfect for me.  Slow enough to keep me out of trouble, yet still had enough power to run all day on the highway without flogging it.  Had I been forced to learn on a Honda Rebel, I honestly doubt I'd be the same rider with the same passion as I am now.

Plus, as much as many of y'all don't like them, Harley riders make up a majority of the 2-wheeled community here in the US.  Do you really think they're going to ride 3-4 years before they can even legally ride a 883 sportster?  

[02Tac]

Any stats to back this up? IIRC, in past discussions of tiered licensing no one has produced statistics that prove tiered licensing reduces accidents, injuries or fatalities.

BTW, I believe the UK restricts new riders by hp rather than cc limit. Your cc limit is unworkable because there is no correlation between cc's and HP across all bikes. Or are you trying to run HD out of business?  

 Stats - I could make some up for you, but for real stats it would be very hard to do as the only way to do it would be to have 2 identical countries with the same number of riders and so on.........

 I could see a HP limit as opposed to a cc limit.  

 I guess HD would just have to get off it's dead a$$ and actually make something different