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chornbe

« on: September 15, 2008, 04:43:39 AM »

Ok, so as mentioned, last week I installed some items to help cool the bike down:
* Vance & Hines true dual head pipes.
* Vance & Hines FuelPak "performance fueler".
* Harley-Davidson mid-frame heat deflectors

I am pleased to say - it all works. It continues to piss me off that I had to spend this much, but the results are nearly a night-and-day difference. Like any bike, it still gets hot while sitting at traffic lights and such, but not immediately and not to nut-roasting proportions. While in motion, I feel no heat at all from the engine or the pipes. These 'true duals' have no cross-over pipe to build additional back-pressure and they are routed lower than stock. The ceramic-coated heat shields have got to be helping, too.

All in all, I give this 'fix' 3 out of 4 thumbs up.  Thumbsup Thumbsup Thumbsup Thumbsdown

The overall cost, and the need for this work in the first place, keeps the score below perfect.

In addition to the heat fix, I also (finally!) installed the Sta-Bo bushing I ordered MONTHS ago. A quick bit of info: the FLxx series (the touring frame) Harley bikes have a rubber-mounted swing-arm that pivots on a conjoined frame/transmission axis. The engine floats in the frame on rubber engine mounts and linkages. There is no hard point of connection between the engine/trans, swingarm and frame. It's all rubber isolated. This allows the swing arm to move laterally under stress; most notably when heeled over in a high-speed turn. The bike will hinge and walk to the outside of the turn during a weave. As the speed/lean/weight increase, so does the weave. It can be... exciting.

There are numerous 'fixes' for this problem in the after market. Everything from Rube Goldberg linkage kits that bolt to the bottom of the transmission, to full shaft & bushing replaces, to the Sta-Bo bushing stiffeners. These are simple center-offset bushing inserts that slide into the center, open area of the frame-side bushing (aka 'cleave block'). They fill in the open area and restrict pivoting by literally not allowing the pivot shaft bushings to deflect (as much). This keeps everything more in line, or so the story goes.



The bushings install in just a few minutes by removing the outer swingarm pivot shaft overs, greasing and sliding these Delrin bushings in, then reinstalling the caps (and passenger floorboards/pegs - these need to come off to get to the pivot cover bolts). That's all there is to it. I installed these last night after checking and retorquing the previous exhaust system work, after taking the bike for a nice lengthy ride yesterday afternoon.

I rode the bike in to work this morning and again, the difference is night and day. The bike tracks like it never has before. Gone is the in-turn weave that was always there and I had one hell of a fun, spirited ride in this morning. The Harley forums are full of people whining about the additional transmitted vibrations, and with good reason. You can FEEL that V-Twin pulse now, to an initially annoying degree. But after the 40-ish minute ride to work, I really wasn't bothered by it. it's there, you feel it and the whole bike now receives the vibes, but I don't think it's that bad, so far. It is said to diminish quite a bit after a few hundred miles. I'm skeptical that it does. Rather, I just think people grow used to it. I'll keep a close eye on this; I'm very sensitive to vibes and buzz. It's the reason why so few I4 bikes are keepers for me.

Considering that the Sta-Bo bushing stiffeners are 1/6 to 1/4 the price of the big, complicated linkage kits that are in the aftermarket for this problem, I felt they were worth trying. So far, I give them 2 out of 4 thumbs up. The price is right, if even a little high considering they're just Delrin bushing inserts, and the results are fan-freaking-tastic in regards to the swingarm flex, but the addtional vibes *are* intrusive and *are* quite noticeable. If you're the type to enjoy a good twinny pulse, you may not be bothered at all. Each person varies. Had they been half the price and/or didn't transmit so much more vibration, I'd have given them better scores. I'll trade the bike in before I buy one of the $500 linkage kits.  

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But man oh man... I like the way it tracks now.
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2008, 11:23:29 AM »

Groovy.
How much louder is the bike?  How easy was it to use the Fuel Pack?
Does the bike handle as well or better than the 09?
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2008, 04:53:28 PM »


Groovy.
How much louder is the bike?  How easy was it to use the Fuel Pack?
Does the bike handle as well or better than the 09?


It's not really any louder; I used stock mufflers from an '03 (or so) Road King. It's a bit mellower and less raspy.

The FuelPak is the easiest mod I've ever done. Crazy easy.

All things being equal, it handles just as well as the '09, however the '09 has way better stock rubber and doesn't have the vibe mine does now. Plus the '09 is smoother overall, both bikes being stock. They completely revamped the engine mounting system.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2008, 05:30:56 PM »




It's not really any louder; I used stock mufflers from an '03 (or so) Road King. It's a bit mellower and less raspy.


I thought you said you used Vance & Hines true dual pipes?
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2008, 06:25:54 PM »




I thought you said you used Vance & Hines true dual pipes?
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Yes, with stock mufflers.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2008, 11:29:17 AM »

Cool beans, consider the Sta BO on order.   Bigok

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2008, 12:39:46 PM »

HAH! That is awesome.  Bigok

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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2008, 07:33:04 PM »

Thanks for being a guinea pig. I read about this stuff on the HD Forum, but most of those guys are clueless. And with yesterday being "Talk Like a Pirate Day," well...you get the picture.  Bigsmile

Curious about the FuelPak. I've been looking at the tru-duals, or whatever they're called, as the heat gets to be a bit much, even on a coolish day. What does the FuelPak do as far as heat, or is it just performance? And if performance, what does it net you?

Not sure I'm up for the new bushings, though. After 24,000 on my Connie, I rather like the smoothness of the stock setup. And given I have an Ultra, cornering isn't really my thing, especially two-up. Looking at a Triumph for that kind of work.

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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008, 07:50:33 PM »


Thanks for being a guinea pig. I read about this stuff on the HD Forum, but most of those guys are clueless. And with yesterday being "Talk Like a Pirate Day," well...you get the picture.  Bigsmile

Curious about the FuelPak. I've been looking at the tru-duals, or whatever they're called, as the heat gets to be a bit much, even on a coolish day. What does the FuelPak do as far as heat, or is it just performance? And if performance, what does it net you?


I didn't do the exhaust + FulePak for performance. I added the FuelPak to richen it up a little and to smooth out any expected lumps or flat spots from the exhaust change. The bike runs MUCH cooler (I used stock mufflers, the True Duals and the Squawkin' Chicken air cleaner) and it's running just as smoothly ( the fuel injection ) as it ever did using the Vance & Hines map.

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Not sure I'm up for the new bushings, though. After 24,000 on my Connie, I rather like the smoothness of the stock setup. And given I have an Ultra, cornering isn't really my thing, especially two-up. Looking at a Triumph for that kind of work.


If you're doing 2-up and comfy-pace crusing/touring, no, absolutely DO NOT do the bushings. Your SO/Pillion will want to kill you from the new vibes and you're likely not leaning it far enough to exhibit the problem, or at least enough for it to get squirrelly. Just do the cool-down mods and call it a day.  Thumbsup
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2008, 08:49:42 PM »

Cool. Thanks for all the advice. I think I'll go for the duals, and see if the FuelPak is warranted. Still running stock mufflers, as SWMBO isn't a fan of making it louder.
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