What do you like and dislike, about the engines on your bikes?

[Nitro]

 ENGINES in  bikes i owned this summer.
Favorite this year is my NON vtech vfr v4 for its no buzz or vibes, smoothness, nice power spread, smooth efi setup, and all the cool sounds and sensations that come from it.especially with a pipe!
next I enjoy my old honda F engines with carbs, Big factor is they still look like engines! and are all smooth as silk to drive,make all the old mechanical noises, get better mileage than my new bikes,cheap and simple to maintain, and still fast enough!
I liked my v4 st1100 engine, another smooth as silk engine.Almost too dull,as no cool sensations at all ,but effective powerband and super smooth and perfect for that kinda bike!
Really disappointed in my fjr 1300 engine due to the lousy on/off efi calibration that plain sucked,and the vibes.
I enjoy the kids gsxr600 just for the screaming rpms and the sound it makes! smooth engine and a blast at 16 grand!
noteable others...that buzzing vibrating thing in my 2000 connie..yuk!
but worst ever was a  70's 650 special yammy twin..woweee..unrideable!
Other engines i had? yep, lots, but no room here for the comments...

[Orson]

Bonneville
Sounds like a sewing machine and needs more power. That's why I let the wife get custody, I still have visitation rights.

dude!...get the Triumph aftermarket peashooters.

They totally transform the sound  

[Norwegian Blue]

Wow -- two pages and not one BMW oilhead response?

The good: From a real world riding perspective, my twin-spark 1150 twin works extremely well. It has excellent low-end torque and is very tractable at lower speeds. While it shakes at idle, it smooths out very nicely at speed; when in overdrive 6th on the highway, there are almost no vibes at all. When in the twisties on public roads (i.e. riding at a spirited but not crazy pace) it spins in its sweet spot so that it's sufficient to keep up with the big boys (whose engines tend to be overkill for such applications). The engine has a nice tone when accelerating, but the bike is QUIET -- which I really appreciate since I dislike loud bikes. Mileage is in the mid-40s. Not the best, but I'm not complaining either. I don't do my own wrenching, outside of oil changes, but having the cylinder heads sticking out in your face makes valve adjustments and other services very easy.

The bad: In places where more power is appreciated (i.e. a multiple-car pass on a two-lane highway or on the track) there simply isn't much in the way of top end. The engine gets kind of thrashy and makes more noise than forward thrust as it approaches its redline (then again, it's tuned for low-end torque). While the engine sounds pretty nice under load, the exhaust note is pretty flat. While I don't like loud bikes, I appreciate the sound of a nice exhaust. On my bike it's not a problem, but part-throttle surging has been an issue on single-spark oilheads. Finally, I hate the oil sight glass. The procedure for checking the oil is to warm the bike up, park it on its center stand, and then wait five minutes before checking the oil level. Even when following this procedure, I have gotten significantly different readings even when checking on the same ride. PITA.

[rode2rouen]

'07 Tiger 1050: IMO, one of the most versatile powerplants ever stuffed in motorcycle chassis.
                     It's Triple-licious!! How can you say anything negative about a mill that will pull like
                     locomotive from 2000 rpm to redline in 6th gear?

'81 SR500:  Simplicity and torque. 36mm Mukini and a 'Trapp reverse cone pipe make the otherwise
                 stock engine a stud. A very precise tool for the twistys.

'79 SR500:  Simplicity and TORQUE! 38mm Mikuni, 'Trapp reverse cone pipe and Megacycle off-road cam.
                 A very effective "blunt instrument" for pounding the back roads into submission.

The bestest motorcycles have an odd number of cylinders!


I'll have to get back to you on the dislikes, nothing comes to mind at the moment.


Rex

[roadwarrior]

2002 Yamaha FZ1

     - This bike had the best engine ever. It was smooth as glass, instant power, and took off like a missile after 7000 rpm. My only complaint was always that it was a little too fast. It seemed every time I passed a car I broke 200km/h. I knew it was going to get me into trouble one day. It was also a handful in the rain, and often broke the rear tire loose no maker how gentle I was. But other than that it was a sheer joy to ride. In my opinion Yamaha ruined the FZ1 on the second generation by making it more of a race bike.

2001 Suzuki Hyabusa

     - This was a friends bike, so I didn't get too much riding time on it. Super sports aren't my thing so the bike was so so for me, but the motor was sweet. It lacked the smoothness of my FZ1 so it isn't #1 on my list, but the instant unreal torque from idle to redline put smiles on my face. This is one sweet motor, which explains why Suzuki didn't change it over the years.

2006 Harley Davidson Dyna

     - I know I will get flak for this but I loved that motor. I'm not a cruiser guy, I've only ridden Harley's on demo rides. I did not like the riding position, or the handling of the bike, and on paper it looks like I would hate the bike, but The Dyna was one of the most fun bikes I've ever ridden. The motor feels and sounds so mechanical, and it pulls so effortlessly that the bike "feels" fast. The vibes are rhythmic and soothing (Unlike the paint shaker vibes I felt on Sportsers, and Buels), and the fuel injection felt spot on.

2006 Suzuki V-Strom

     - My present ride. When I rode it home from the dealer, I thought I'd made a mistake. It was rough, completely unusable between 2500 - 3400 rpm, and liked to hi-cup, cough, and backfire. The computer controlled secondary throttles gave the bike the feel of hesitation, and made it feel like the motor had a mid of its own. So why is it on my list? Well a throttle sync did wonders, and made me wonder how this bike left the factory grossly out of sync. Then removing the secondary butterflies got rid of the hesitation making the motor feel responsive. Finally a Dobek TFI unit, and some Fuel Injection tuning brought out the hidden motor inside. I'm not kidding it felt like a new bike! Now the motor is fantastic, and it pulls well all through the rev range. It is as smooth as a V-Twin can get, and I like the fact that the power is very manageable, so riding in the rain is no problem. Wheelie's on this bike are so easy, anybody could do one. Fuel economy isn't the greatest, I usually get 35-36 mpg and 39 if I'm really nice.

I have ridden many other bikes, singles, twins, and four's, but none of them in particular stand out over the ones above.

[miles]

I've had bikes with just about every engine configuration, enough to know that it isn't as simple as saying "this type is best".  For example, I really loved the I-3 in my Speed Triple, but the Kawasaki triples I had (two strokes, and that makes a difference) were nothing like it.
I've had smooth I-4s and buzzy I-4s.  V-Twins with loads of torque but no top end and others that needed to be revved hard to go anywhere.  

In my mind it comes down to individual bikes.

My top three favorite bikes for their engines are, in no particular order:
I-3 in my Speed Triple.  Smooth, smooth, and smooth, but very strong with plenty of useable power.
I-4 in my FZR600.  Not as powerful as some contemporaries, but very, very useable if you kept it spun up.
I-4 in my GPZ 750.  Not as quick to spin up as the FZR, but much more power.

Bottom three, also in no order:
I-3 2S Kawasakis.  I had a bunch of them (long story) and they all sucked.  Super buzzy, peaky, and very hard to keep in tune.
V-2 1200 Sporty.  Sounded great, but was otherwise annoying.  Too much sturm and not enough drang.
I-4 GPZ 550.  Not really an inherently bad engine, but this was a racebike and so highly tuned it was an evil bastard.


Some other interesting bikes, enginewise:
V-2 Cagiva Elefant.  A Ducati 650 engine in a KLR frame, more or less.  Fun enough, but not really the right tool for the job.
P-2 Yamaha XS650.  Vibes like crazy, but very, very satisfying in its way.  
Single-cylinder Honda FT500 Ascot.  Way down on power, but plenty of torque, low gearing and very light weight meant that on the right road it just couldn't be beat for fun.  On the wrong road it wasn't horrible, but not too fun either.

[chornbe]

2002 Yamaha FZ1

     - This bike had the best engine ever. It was smooth as glass, instant power, and took off like a missile after 7000 rpm. My only complaint was always that it was a little too fast. It seemed every time I passed a car I broke 200km/h. I knew it was going to get me into trouble one day. It was also a handful in the rain, and often broke the rear tire loose no maker how gentle I was. But other than that it was a sheer joy to ride. In my opinion Yamaha ruined the FZ1 on the second generation by making it more of a race bike.

I agree 100% with this assessment.

2006 Harley Davidson Dyna

     - I know I will get flak for this but I loved that motor. {snip}

The BigTwin is a nice, nice mill.

[jstark47]

dude!...get the Triumph aftermarket peashooters.

They totally transform the sound  

+1.  Was gonna say, pipes and rejetting will help this!  

[243Win]

DR650SE, thumper. -- Came up to a stop light and for some odd reason the bike wouldn't down shift.  Light changed and I chugged away in fourth gear.  It actually likes to be spun up a touch more than that, but I give it two thumbs up for the torque that got me out of that situation.  Carb swap and it goes from forgiving beginner bike to beast.  Or so I'm led to believe, looking forward to finding out myself some day.  Dead simple to work on.

GSF400, I4 -- since it is an I4 and only 400cc, it has zero torque, none, nada, zip.  Nice mild kick in the pants once you spin it up and it likes to spin up fast.  Simple to work on as well, other than the extra carbs, it's just like any other four cylinder in my cars.

Vf500F, V4 -- completely lacks the kick in the pants feeling of get up and go of the bandit 400, but oddly it just goes faster and never really cares what gear it is in, leave it in third all through the twisties rather than row it up and down like the Bandit I4.  I'd descibe it as pretty much point and go due to the torque despite being only a 500.  Somewhat nightmarish to work on tho'.  

[leveredge]

I like my Honda V4 in the ST13. 1261 cc chain driven double over head cams, 4 valves per cylinder. Counter balancers so no torque stear.
Smooth as can be. Only other Honda V4 guys or George Jetson will like the sound of it. I like quiet so I like it stock. Great low end torque. Mile muncher. Smooth and quiet. Which is what I like.

[Geoff]

BMW K1100RS
Likes: Good power across the range, smooth
Dislikes: Consumes oil, runs a little hot

Harley Electra Glide
Likes: Usable power low in the range, tons of torque, great sound
Dislikes: Weak passing power at higher RPMs

[ZED]

KLR 650 - The power delivery is decent, but IT'S   A   BIG   THUMPER.  What more need I say.

Z1000 - Nice and smooth.  A bit buzzy around 5k, but smooths out as it revs up.  Good torque everywhere, but at 7k it comes on so strong you better be ready for it or you won't stay on.  Too much power for me if I'm honest with myself.

ST3s - Beautiful torque curve from 4k up to 9.5k.  Not quite as smooth or powerful as the Z, but much nicer delivery. Definitely my favorite engine.

WR250X - It's a thumper, but it's a small thumper.  Buzzier than the KLR, but with less amplitude per thump, so it doesn't rattle you, it buzzes you like an angry mosquito.  Power delivery is strong for a 250 right up to where the rev limiter kicks in.

[veefer800canuck]

Vee-four baby! Geardrive cams.  



An extra 219cc's of displacement, 20HP (and no extra weight) would be welcome though.  

[TuffguyF4i]

To me the engine IS the bike.  If you like the engine you like the bike.

F4i:
Buzzy CTT
XX:
Buzzy CCT

I still love both engines.

[DosEquis00]

Vee-four baby! Geardrive cams.  

+1 as the VFR has been a very pleasant surprise all the way around.

[Phenix_Rider]

I've demoed quite a few bikes now, with most of the possible engine configs.

Buell XB12- no rev range.  You go from zero to 6k- or whatever redline is- in no time.  Honestly, not as much torque as they'd like you to think.  RATTLES!  Like a cement mixer full of boulders, or a dryer with a pair of tennis shoes.  Feels like it will fall of the stand, and the trans is full of gravel.  Neutral is impossible to find.

Aprilia RSV and Tuono.  Awesome engines.  Loads of power- and character.  All the right parts, just not put together in a way I could ride every day.

SV650S/F- NO!  Revs quick- almost too quick-. plenty of power, like the engine braking.  Don't like the vibes!  Trans isn't bad, but the shifter placement is wrong for me.  Ergoes suck.

R6- Sweet!  Race ergoes are no fun, but the engine is a blast!  It likes to rev, and I had no problem keeping it happy- except that I wasn't allowed to go as fast as the bike wanted.  Smoothest trans I've met.  Lose the kink in the neck, and I'd keep it.

R1- Insanely fast.  Smooth.  Keep it to 4,5,6k, and everything's cool.  Hit 7,8,9k and things start getting wild.  Really like the Yammi trans- they know how to do it right.

B-King.  Another Zook trans- not the greatest.  Torque like Whoah! from the basement.  Hooligan bike to the max.  Too freaking wide for me though.  If they went longitudinal, it would be much better.

Zook 450SM- NO!  I hate beating on an engine to do an honest 65.  Poor little thumper sounded like I was kicking the hell out of it, and no tach meant I was waiting for the grenade between my legs to go off.  Dirt bike trans- use your whole leg to shift.

Ninja 650R- Best Bike Ever!  It's got the twin thump, but not the rattle.  Little bit of vibration in places, but overall smooth, and a little jetson sound mixed with the deep voice that's hiding.  Good power and torque- not quite as much low end as the SV, but much better roll-on.  Kawi makes a very well behaved trans, and finding neutral is a breeze.  Never had a problem snicking through the gears with just the smallest amount of clutch.  Doesn't much like clutchless shifting in the low gears- but 4-5-6 is nice.  Twisting the grip exiting a turn, or punching it for a pass, results in the most gorgeous exhaust note short of a speed triple with aftermarket pipes.  Stutters if you goose it below 4k- but only happens when you're in too high a gear.  Easy to work on- once you get to the engine proper.  2 quarts of dino and 87 octane is all it ever wants.  Positively BEGS to go out and play, but behaves very well when you putt around town being mature.

[rauchman]

2007 SV1000S (Currently own) - Love the engine.  There is a rough spot in the 2.5 - 3.ish zone, but love the grunt of the engine.  Is DECEPTIVELY fast.  Nice grunt out of corners. Revs easily, nice engine braking.  SV650 has more engine braking.  Even with stock exhaust, love the sound of deceleration.  Bike has low frequency vibes...more like pulses, which I like.  Makes the bike feel alive.  Switched the handlebars to Convertibars (wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than stock) and just received my Sargeant seat yesterday in the mail.  Really like the trans as well, smoothest I've had the pleasure of riding.

2003 Kawi Z1000 (wife's) - I've taken it out a few times and this was my 1st (and come to think of it, only) experience with an I-4 bike.  Off the line, the bike is smooth...really smooth (I'm guessing this a characteristic of the I-4 engine).  I believe this engine is tuned with less of a focus on top end speed with more midrange punch.  Regardless, the bike is fast.  Remember laughing in my helmet flying on Rt 80 just ripping it.  Engine has some high frequency vibes in it around 6k or so.  Gave my hands the tinglies.  Really nice package of a bike though.

2002 Yamaha Roadstar (sold) - Very very smooth carburation when warmed up.  Nice grunt off the line but dies off quickly.  Vibrates hard when over 75.  Decent engine for real world riding.  Never ever got passed up by another cruiser and surprised a sport bike or two (read...sucky sport bike riders) with this bike. Ultimately, too heavy with weak brakes.  Very comfortable though and a worthy touring rig.

Buell XB12R/Ss - Buddy and I took a test ride on these bikes and thoroughly loved them (mostly).  For real world riding they were easily fast enough.  Test ride was done on 35 - 40mph twistie roads and a smidge of highway.  Engine was great in this environment.  Never felt it ran out of steam too quickly.  No horsepower "hit" though.  Bikes handled almost telepathically.  Did notice a couple of times, if I ran a gear too high in a turn, the bike would pull through, but the engine felt very luggy.  Would require getting used to it.  The fact that the XB12Ss that I was riding back to the dealership lost a bolt with an audible ping, that my buddy heard as well, just as we were pulling back into the dealership parking lot, kind of turned both of us off to the bikes.  

2001 BMW R1150R (My buddies bike he currently owns) - Haven't ridden it in a while, but distinctly remember the shaft drive feel.  The engine, although very competent,  didn't give me tinglies.  It was ok, with no prominent feature of feel, outside of twin pulse vibes.  Loved the way the bike felt though.  I've never ridden a dirt bike, but the bike rode like I would think a dirt bike would.  Felt like you could throw the bike so easily into a turn (guessing this is from the very low center of gravity with the engine design).

2003 HD Fat Boy (rented) - Wife and I got married on a hot air ballon on the north side of Phoenix and rented 2 HD Fat Boys to ride up to the Grand Canyon for the honeymoon.  She was a little uncomfortable w/ hers as she wasn't used to a bike that big, but she did ok.  I remember the bike feeling a little smaller than the Roadstar.  Engine, like the Roadstar, was smooth and competant for the style engine it is.  Above 75, the bike vibrated to the point where the mirrors were useless (like the Roadstar).  Bike was comfortable and, like the Roadstar, a worthy tourer.

2002 HD Dyna Wide Glyde (rented) - Started riding in 09/2002 and my buddy and I (who also started riding around the same time) went to go visit a friend in AZ and decided we were all going to rent HD's for a few days.  At the time, to me the WG looked like the quintesential HD, chopper like, sleek and above all else...cool.  At the HD dealership, 1st thing I noticed was the vibration at idle.  Loved it.  Really made the bike feel alive.  2nd thing I noticed was that the front foot pegs were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out there.  There is nothing like cruising down empty roads in the desert on a HD though.  It reeks of cool.  Having said that, the WG was not the most comfortable bike.  As mentioned, foot pegs too for forward for me, where I felt like my ass was getting jolted from the seating position.  Ran the bike to max speed (about 110 or so) and the front felt very light...skittish.  Right now, if I were to get a new bike, the HD Super Glyde would be 1st pick.  Loved the visceral feel of the engine in this series.

2002 Suzuki SV650S - My 1st bike and one that I should not have sold.  I loved this bike.  It was silver and beautiful.  The last year of the 1st gen SV, with the more tubular trellis frame.  Remember the 1st time I pushed the bike on a twistie highway and understood what the reviews had mentioned about a great bike.  The engine, easily enough power for the street.  From 6k on up, the creamy power and the bike handled so easily.  Downside, the bike had massive engine braking.  In slow speed around town stuff, was a real bitch to be smooth on.  Very very jerky at low revs.  Also, was not a fan of the sport bike ergos.  

[Baron Samedi]

just the ones I have now:
Moto Guzzi Spada 11: lovely, sweet, gorgeous sound, slooow, but I like it. Easy to work on, too.

Triumph Thunderbird (triple). Brilliant engine, less like a bike engine than the Guzzi (that is a proper feeling bike engine) but more power and torque. Sounds like a bag of nails being shaken but the exhaust moise is great. I HATE THE BLOODY OIL INSPECTION WINDOW.

Velocette-doesn't work.

[Jake Harsha]

Triumph Speed Triple 1050 - Smooth.  Torquey.  Powerful.  Everything an engine should be and nothing it shouldn't.  Absolutely nothing bad to say about this engine.

Gen 5 VFR 800 - Ditto what I said about the Triumph triple except to a much lesser degree.  A bitch to work on.

Ninja 250 - Slow to rev, but a rabid sewing machine once it gets up a head of steam.  Fast for what it is.

CR 125 - Take the rabid sewing machine and turbocharge it.  200 pounds and 30+ horsepower all concentrated in the last 3000 RPM of the rev range.  Crap mileage.  Ultra peaky...goes from nothing to wheelie faster than you can say "loop out."

KX250 - Tons of power, decent low-end, even crappier mileage.  Front wheel spends most of its time in the air.  Too fast for the woods.

CBR600F3 - Typical 600 SS power curve.  Fast.  Fun.

FZX700 Fazer - Similar power curve to a 600 SS but with more low-end torque.

SV650S - Good torque down low, but gutless in the top end.  Left me wanting more.

Honda XL 175 - Ball-less, but fun to putt around on.

XS650 - Never actually rode it as a bike, but I put the engine in my buggy and I have to constantly check/tighten/replace bolts, nuts, etc...  That thing is freakin' imbalanced!  WTF was yamaha thinking?  Othern' that it's a great stump-puller of an engine.


Jake

[chornbe]

To me the engine IS the bike.  If you like the engine you like the bike.

F4i:
Buzzy CTT
XX:
Buzzy CCT

I still love both engines.

eh.. I've ridden machines that were perfect except for the engine, I've ridden bikes that had absolutely perfect engines but horrible brakes or suspension or ergos, and often - TOO OFTEN - several of those bad things together.

[2RR2NV]

current FJR, love the power, but sometimes gets jerky at lower rpms. a lil bit of vibes but i can easily live with em. too quiet. needs an exhaust. and needs a PCIII

[Fast Blue]

Every bike should have a ZZR 1200 motor in it

[blueridgerider]

The most boring bike I've ever ridden was a V4 - maybe that's why I'm not really into that configuration.  Of course that had a lot to do with the bike in total.  It was an ST1300.  It wasn't pretty IMO, and the engine felt electric smooth.  Sure it had plenty of power - it just felt so blah!

The only bike I've had that I felt the engine was not suitable for my purposes was an old SECA.  And that was purely because I did not ride it for the purpose it was intended.  I rode it as a big heavy dirt bike when it was purely street.

There have been others.  I have never had a sport V-Twin, but I had a large displacement cruiser.  It was a great road engine.  You did not have to worry about switching gears on elevation changes, or if you slowed a good bit for traffic.  It was just a very friendly engine to ride around town.  Being mine did not have an overdrive gear, it was less freindly for highway use as MPG would plummet when cruising along at 80-85.

I had an old CB750C I put well over 100,000 miles on that I loved.  Just felt good and right.  

My BMWLT, that was my previous ride, was a great total package.  I would have wished for a bit more in the engine department - more along the lines of the power of the new LT or the slightly older sportier K12's but they had tuned it for better midrange.  It was a little gear happy in the mountains.

I absolutely love my current oilhead.  It has an honesty.  It's perky, naked jugs sticking out have a utilitarian and natural sexiness that I like.  The engine is not covered with a plastic outfit, nor is it festooned with the chrome equivalent of "pasties".  The power delivery is nice - somewhere between my old V-Twin and the LT's engine in torqueiness and Top end fell wise.  Crappy first gear of course.  But I like looking down and seeing the heads, tubes, wires, etc.  It's a comforting feeling that I see and know what is going on inside the engine.    It feels like a motorcycle to me - I like that it is not glass smooth.  

[Geoff]

'07 Tiger 1050: IMO, one of the most versatile powerplants ever stuffed in motorcycle chassis.
                     It's Triple-licious!! How can you say anything negative about a mill that will pull like
                     locomotive from 2000 rpm to redline in 6th gear?

'81 SR500:  Simplicity and torque. 36mm Mukini and a 'Trapp reverse cone pipe make the otherwise
                 stock engine a stud. A very precise tool for the twistys.

'79 SR500:  Simplicity and TORQUE! 38mm Mikuni, 'Trapp reverse cone pipe and Megacycle off-road cam.
                 A very effective "blunt instrument" for pounding the back roads into submission.

The bestest motorcycles have an odd number of cylinders!


I'll have to get back to you on the dislikes, nothing comes to mind at the moment.


Rex

I used to have an SR500. I forgot the year. I sold it to a guy who turned it into an ice racer. He wanted the bike because of its low end torque and light weight.

[ragtoplvr]

Honda 400 4  4 100CC cylinders that just want to rev with the slightest tingle of vibration, 4 into 1 exhaust sweet tone, not powerful, not fast, but just feels and sounds right!

CBX  Sounds and feels even better.

ANY 2 stroke, and Castor oil is even better.  Ring ding ding ding.

VRF750F Sabre, worst POS ever.  Nothing good here, move along.

Oilhead beemer, quiet exhaust, no engine heat, easy to tune and maintain, much faster than it feels, smooth as glass in the sweet spot, rattles like a can of marbles, just ruins the experience.  Never understood how an engine could have so many different awful sounding taps and rattles, sound like it will fly apart and hang together so long.  BMW should find the cam tensioner engineers and managers and fire them, with real fire.  Same for the final drive bozos, the 5 speed transmission program managers that ignored gertrag's designers, the fool who thought up the throttle cables and divider boxes, the idiot that left out the drain hole in the clutch housing and Clutch slave cylinder, the fools that STILL will not put the transmission input shaft all the way thru the fragile clutch splines, and just for good measure the entire quality control team, with extra hot fire and smoke for who ever thought up the brittle plastic gas line quick (and random) disconnects .  Otherwise the bike is perfect.  I think I just fired about half the arrogant engineers and managers at BMW.  Good riddance.  If we hired BMW enemies to ruin the Motorcycle division they could not do a better job.   Guess who owns a Beemer?

HD twin cam, 96  Nothing but nothing sounds better.  Stock pipes, straight pipes or in between.  simple, more hot rod parts than a small block Chevy, and very low vibration, and the vibration is the good kind.  Give me some acceleration and lean angle, mid pegs and we have a sale.

I rode a Concours 14, that has to be the most perfect I4 that ever existed.

rod