My Dual Sport Search Has Ended Here

[XLR8]

Probably old news. Thanks to my friend E because I didn't even know there was an update planned.

At first I wanted a GS then yesterday it was a 990 adventure, however, it's going to be this:

http://motorcycledaily.com/23september06_klr650.htm

Nice eh? It will work.  

[R.Markus]

I wasn't sure about it at first, they took some of the offroad worthiness out of it. I'd like to see one in person. But in reallity, I think it will be a fine machine. The updates seem to look good and add a bigger fairing. I'd venture that it will keep up with the likes of the F650GS and be a good highway machine to boot. Less expensive than the 640 Adventure (and BMW, thought hey lowered the MSRP on the 650GS models) and lower maintenance also.

I say it may be a good choice.

[bluesurf]

The difference between a 990's off-road capabilities and a next-gen KLR are light-years apart.  Be sure you get what's going to be able to take you where you want to go, and imo erring on the side of dirt cability is most always better these days.

[R.Markus]

Living in Idaho I would err on the side of dirt worthiness also. The KLR, even the updated one, isn't even close to the other two bikes you were looking into. You can research online all you want, getting out and sitting on them and possibly getting a test ride or two is the ony way to make a final decision.



(My parents are from Pocatello BTW, we used to visit there every year...love it out there.)

[Mr Sunshine]

Probably old news. Thanks to my friend E because I didn't even know there was an update planned.

At first I wanted a GS then yesterday it was a 990 adventure, however, it's going to be this:

http://motorcycledaily.com/23september06_klr650.htm

Nice eh? It will work.  

Hey I told you about this at the WCRM 3.5
Posted on: January 24, 2007, 11:23:47 pm

Living in Idaho I would err on the side of dirt worthiness also. The KLR, even the updated one, isn't even close to the other two bikes you were looking into. You can research online all you want, getting out and sitting on them and possibly getting a test ride or two is the ony way to make a final decision.



(My parents are from Pocatello BTW, we used to visit there every year...love it out there.)

The KLR is a much better dirt bike than the huge GS.

[speedjunkie]

Still looks to be overweight, undersprung, and underpowered.  Main difference is reduced offroad capabilities, and they weren't awe inspiring before!    Appearance is nice.  I owned one, won't be owning another tho.  To each his own.  



Mike

[XLR8]

Living in Idaho I would err on the side of dirt worthiness also. The KLR, even the updated one, isn't even close to the other two bikes you were looking into. You can research online all you want, getting out and sitting on them and possibly getting a test ride or two is the ony way to make a final decision.

(My parents are from Pocatello BTW, we used to visit there every year...love it out there.)

I understand what everyone is saying but I'm not talking about trail riding or going off any sweet jumps. I'm talking fire roads, jeep roads and that sort of stuff.

The 990 is miles apart in speed and performance but I don't see it going that many more places than the KLR. The 990 is also pretty big if not bigger and heavier. Don't get me wrong, I like the 990 a lot but the practical side of me likes the KLR.

Also, if you are familiar with Idaho, you know that you'll need a bike with some range. I was considering a Suzuki DR-Z but it doesn't hold enough fuel. You can ride hundreds of miles through the mountains here - and no go juice.

[XLR8]

Still looks to be overweight, undersprung, and underpowered.  Main difference is reduced offroad capabilities, and they weren't awe inspiring before!    Appearance is nice.  I owned one, won't be owning another tho.  To each his own.  

Mike

Oh...you're one of those snobby dirt bike riders.    

[XLR8]

Hey I told you about this at the WCRM 3.5
Posted on: January 24, 2007, 11:23:47 pm

The KLR is a much better dirt bike than the huge GS.

I think I remember that you mentioned it. Was that during all those drinks at the hotel? Nawww man I don't remember any of that stuff. Last I remember you were headed to watch MotoGP at like 2AM or something like that.  

[XLR8]

The difference between a 990's off-road capabilities and a next-gen KLR are light-years apart.  Be sure you get what's going to be able to take you where you want to go, and imo erring on the side of dirt cability is most always better these days.

Do you like your KLR if you still have it?

[bluesurf]

Do you like your KLR if you still have it?

I do still have it, for a few more days, and do like it.  I like the DR-Z more, however.

[SWriverstone]

Sometimes I think people forget that a KLR was designed from the ground up to be a COMPROMISE between pavement and dirt—and as such, it excels, and has few (if any) equals, epecially in terms of value.

Further, it's important to note that the KLR has been PROVEN. People have ridden them RTW and all kinds of sick and remote places—and rarely had a complaint.

When people say "the KLR is a crappy dirt bike," I say...DUH!!!! It's not supposed to be a "dirtbike."
When people say "the KLR is crappy on the highway," I say...DUH!!!! It's not supposed to be a "highway bike."
When people say "you'd be better off with a real dirtbike and a sportbike," I say...DUH!!! Of course two bikes are better than one!

I'm just amazed that the concept of "compromise" is so alien to so many people. If you *want* the KLR to be a dirt bike, then don't get one! If you *want* the KLR to be a street bike, then don't get one!

On the other hand, if you want a bike that doesn't excel at any one thing...but does them all reasonably well, there is no better VALUE than the KLR.

'Nuff said.  

Scott

[R.Markus]

The KLR is a much better dirt bike than the huge GS.

Obviously, but I wasn't comparing dirt worthiness of either bike...I was just saying the KLR is very different than the other two bikes he was looking at.

[SLK50]

The KLR's "value" card has been over-played. Owners spend the equivelent of the bike's purchase price making it suitable to their intentions. Scott spent thousands before he rode it out of his development. A better value would be a bike that performs well out of the box. A KTM 950 would eclipse the KLR both on and off the road and to me would seem the better value because it is already capable of doing what the KLR only alludes to. The KLR has succeeded because untill recently most manuf. have largely ignored the category. The "New" KLR will continue that success because many riders aren't willing to drop 10-15 large on a bike they may dump in a creek. And no, it won't be any more capable than the old one. In spite of that, I still want one. There probably isn't any better bike for riding any appreciable distances on dirt or gravel roads. IMHO, YMMV
By the way, major kudos to Scott for actually doing what the rest of dream of.

[R.Markus]

By the way, major kudos to Scott for actually doing what the rest of dream of.

Who is Scott (I assume SWriverstone) and what did he do?

[XLR8]

The KLR's "value" card has been over-played. Owners spend the equivelent of the bike's purchase price making it suitable to their intentions. Scott spent thousands before he rode it out of his development. A better value would be a bike that performs well out of the box. A KTM 950 would eclipse the KLR both on and off the road and to me would seem the better value because it is already capable of doing what the KLR only alludes to. The KLR has succeeded because untill recently most manuf. have largely ignored the category. The "New" KLR will continue that success because many riders aren't willing to drop 10-15 large on a bike they may dump in a creek. And no, it won't be any more capable than the old one. In spite of that, I still want one. There probably isn't any better bike for riding any appreciable distances on dirt or gravel roads. IMHO, YMMV
By the way, major kudos to Scott for actually doing what the rest of dream of.

I keep hearing how the KTM will be so much better. How so? It's not any more trail worthy. So how would it better? I think some owners of the KTM and the GS must cringe at the fact that a bike exists for 1/3 the cost that does what the majority of people do on their expensive dual sports anyway - ride dirt roads.

[SWriverstone]

The KLR's "value" card has been over-played. Owners spend the equivelent of the bike's purchase price making it suitable to their intentions. Scott spent thousands before he rode it out of his development. A better value would be a bike that performs well out of the box. A KTM 950 would eclipse the KLR both on and off the road and to me would seem the better value because it is already capable of doing what the KLR only alludes to. The KLR has succeeded because untill recently most manuf. have largely ignored the category. The "New" KLR will continue that success because many riders aren't willing to drop 10-15 large on a bike they may dump in a creek. And no, it won't be any more capable than the old one. In spite of that, I still want one. There probably isn't any better bike for riding any appreciable distances on dirt or gravel roads. IMHO, YMMV
By the way, major kudos to Scott for actually doing what the rest of dream of.

Yep, that's me.   And it's true—I did spend around $2,500 on my KLR before riding it to Newfoundland. But that made my final sunk cost on the bike only $7,500 (I paid $5K for the bike "used" with about 400 miles)...which is still less than a new F650 and WAY less than a KTM950 (right?).

I've certainly never denied the KLR has some weaknesses that make the mods almost a necessity if you're going to do any serious travel on it. But one doesn't have to spend money on the extras—there are plenty of KLRs out there that have 75,000 miles on them, stock.

So is the KLR's value card overplayed? Yeah, maybe, a bit. But I still think it beats the other bikes, even with $2,500 worth of mods!  

Scott

EDIT: I should add that the KTM950 is definitely a better bike than the KLR in many ways! But...I absolutely think a fully modded KLR is every bit the equal of an F650 (for less $$)...and probably more trouble-free.

[R.Markus]

Yep, that's me.   And it's true—I did spend around $2,500 on my KLR before riding it to Newfoundland. But that made my final sunk cost on the bike only $7,500 (I paid $5K for the bike "used" with about 400 miles)...which is still less than a new F650 and WAY less than a KTM950 (right?).

EDIT: I should add that the KTM950 is definitely a better bike than the KLR in many ways! But...I absolutely think a fully modded KLR is every bit the equal of an F650 (for less $$)...and probably more trouble-free.

The KTM 950's MSRP is $13999, so yes it is a lot cheaper...but you are comparing two very different bikes anyway (and i'm not saying one is more dirt worthy then the other, they are just two different styles of machine). A modded KLR like yours would suit someone quite well.

[etachell]

I'll put a KLR up against a GS in the dirt any day of the week.

[SLK50]

 "I'm talking fire roads, jeep roads and that sort of stuff.
 The 990 is also pretty big if not bigger and heavier.
 the practical side of me likes the KLR.
 you'll need a bike with some range. "



Getting back on point, for the qualities your looking for: riding on dirt or gravel roads, decent fuel range,
not too big or heavy, practicality, etc. you'd be hard pressed to do much better than the KLR.
I too have been shopping for a bike with these same attributes and keep coming back to the KLR.
With that settled, what's the best tires for riding on hard packed dirt, loose shale and gravel?

[R.Markus]

 "I'm talking fire roads, jeep roads and that sort of stuff.
 The 990 is also pretty big if not bigger and heavier.
 the practical side of me likes the KLR.
 you'll need a bike with some range. "



Getting back on point, for the qualities your looking for: riding on dirt or gravel roads, decent fuel range,
not too big or heavy, practicality, etc. you'd be hard pressed to do much better than the KLR.
I too have been shopping for a bike with these same attributes and keep coming back to the KLR.
With that settled, what's the best tires for riding on hard packed dirt, loose shale and gravel?

Kenda K270's

If you want to spend a  lot more than you have to, TKC80's or Metzeler Karoo's would do.

[bluesurf]

I too have been shopping for a bike with these same attributes and keep coming back to the KLR.
With that settled, what's the best tires for riding on hard packed dirt, loose shale and gravel?

http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html#wheelstires

I run D606's, but they might be overly knobby for the riding that you describe.....The link has a chart of tires oriented from dirt to street.

[R.Markus]

http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html#wheelstires

I run D606's, but they might be overly knobby for the riding that you describe.....The link has a chart of tires oriented from dirt to street.

That's a pretty good chart. I wish Kenda made the 270 in a 140/80-18 rear.

[kurtw]

Congrats on your choice. It seems like a practical way to go for the riding you describe.

Nobody ever made friends by dis'ing KLRs, so I hesitate to say this... But, my $.02 on the KLR: I don't really want to spend my own time and money modding brakes, suspension, etc and then still have something that is only slightly better than the "just-adequate" stock bike for either purpose. Despite any other pros and cons of the machine, or the tradeoffs inherent in any DS bike, that's really my only problem with it.

Everyone I've known who has had KLRs has gotten their money's worth out of them in fun, that's for sure. For those new to DS riding, the bike has been a revelation. And the veterans seem to enjoy the practical, satisfying ride they expect. So I'd be stoked to see you get one (and even more stoked when you trade it for a KTM   )

[XLR8]

Congrats on your choice. It seems like a practical way to go for the riding you describe.

Nobody ever made friends by dis'ing KLRs, so I hesitate to say this... But, my $.02 on the KLR: I don't really want to spend my own time and money modding brakes, suspension, etc and then still have something that is only slightly better than the "just-adequate" stock bike for either purpose. Despite any other pros and cons of the machine, or the tradeoffs inherent in any DS bike, that's really my only problem with it.

Everyone I've known who has had KLRs has gotten their money's worth out of them in fun, that's for sure. For those new to DS riding, the bike has been a revelation. And the veterans seem to enjoy the practical, satisfying ride they expect. So I'd be stoked to see you get one (and even more stoked when you trade it for a KTM   )

That is the perfect plan.

I figured I'm not going to drop 13K right now, not yet. I'll try a KLR and use it as a DS reference point, make note of likes and dislikes. When or if I'm ready and I like the whole DS thang, I'll get the 990. I've marked the GS off my list though. Not because I think it's bad but I have a FJR to cover my road touring.  

[SWriverstone]

Nobody ever made friends by dis'ing KLRs, so I hesitate to say this... But, my $.02 on the KLR: I don't really want to spend my own time and money modding brakes, suspension, etc and then still have something that is only slightly better than the "just-adequate" stock bike for either purpose.

Don't worry—you're still my friend.  

I'd disagree that a fully modded KLR is only "slightly" better than the stock bike. From all that I've read (and experienced with mine) the well-known mods on a KLR go far beyond the stock bike and "minor" improvements—they make the bike virtually bombproof. The only possible exceptions might be brakes (stainless steel brake lines make a small improvement, but they're still less-than-stellar brakes)...but then I've never had a problem with the brakes—I can still lock the wheels on pavement!

Otherwise, a KLR with a replaced doohickey, nerf bars, a heavy-duty skidplate, rear master cylinder guard, good-quality barkbusters, etc. can practically fall off a cliff and be perfectly okay to ride home!

And of course a Corbin flat seat is (IMO) more comfortable by far than the stock seat on *any* dual-sport bike.

So I think the beauty of a KLR is you spend $5-6k for something adequate & reliable...and spend another $2K to make it one of the most rugged, reliable, bombproof dual-sports in the world! All for only $7-8K!  

Scott

EDIT: I should add that modding the bike and doing my own maintenance was a big reason for buying the KLR. I've never wrenched a motorcycle in my life...and yet there is so much community guidance and support for the KLR (and it's relatively simple to start with) that I've done my own doohickey, valves, carb—the works...and I'm a heck of a lot more confident on long trips that I can handle any significant problem that might arise. Doing all the mods has made the bike more "mine," and I've gotten enormous satisfaction from doing my own wrenching. (I've also tried to do my part for the KLR community by helping a couple other guys replace their doohickeys, which is fun too!)

[kurtw]

I'd disagree that a fully modded KLR is only "slightly" better than the stock bike.

Ok that's good to hear from someone who's done it all and put it to the test.   

[speedjunkie]

Whoa there big fella, I wasn't implying you should go out and get a 950 or 990.  I was still thinking thumper.  I've got a LC4 640E and LOVE it.  They can be had for $3-4K.  Or even newer would be a EXC 400-450 range.  Same power as my 640, but about 50 pounds lighter.  It will also lighten your wallet by another 4K or so for a new one.  Or could get a used pre-plated version as well, for about the same coin as a LC4.  There's even a 40 pound weight difference between the 640E vs. the KLR.  You can really feel the difference on the street, especially in the dirt, hell, even in the driveway!  I dropped the KLR once, and had a helluva time picking it up.  I've also dropped the 640E, MUCH easier to hoist up.

I'm not saying the KLR won't play in the dirt.  It will.  It's just more work.  I like to play on single track woods trails with a combo of whoops, sand, ruts, washouts, river crossings, hills, ditches, jumps, fast stuff, slow technical stuff, you name it.  I ride this stuff hard and fast, I'm not out touring the country side you know!  The KLR wore me and itself out on this stuff.  Plus I was half afraid of breaking something.  With the LC4, I don't worry about it.  The KLR is meant to "play" in the dirt, the LC4 plays hard, and the EXC just plain hauls the mail!!  

The Husky TE series is in the same class as the KTM if you want another street legal option.  Fine machines, I almost went for the TE610 instead, but I didn't want to fork out 7K at the time.  

If you want a street machine that will "play" in the dirt, then get the KLR.  If you want a dirt bike that will "play" on the street, then get something else.  You'll have more fun, I promise!



Mike

[XLR8]

Whoa there big fella, I wasn't implying you should go out and get a 950 or 990.  I was still thinking thumper.  I've got a LC4 640E and LOVE it.  They can be had for $3-4K.  Or even newer would be a EXC 400-450 range.  Same power as my 640, but about 50 pounds lighter.  It will also lighten your wallet by another 4K or so for a new one.  Or could get a used pre-plated version as well, for about the same coin as a LC4.  There's even a 40 pound weight difference between the 640E vs. the KLR.  You can really feel the difference on the street, especially in the dirt, hell, even in the driveway!  I dropped the KLR once, and had a helluva time picking it up.  I've also dropped the 640E, MUCH easier to hoist up.

I'm not saying the KLR won't play in the dirt.  It will.  It's just more work.  I like to play on single track woods trails with a combo of whoops, sand, ruts, washouts, river crossings, hills, ditches, jumps, fast stuff, slow technical stuff, you name it.  I ride this stuff hard and fast, I'm not out touring the country side you know!  The KLR wore me and itself out on this stuff.  Plus I was half afraid of breaking something.  With the LC4, I don't worry about it.  The KLR is meant to "play" in the dirt, the LC4 plays hard, and the EXC just plain hauls the mail!!  

The Husky TE series is in the same class as the KTM if you want another street legal option.  Fine machines, I almost went for the TE610 instead, but I didn't want to fork out 7K at the time.  

If you want a street machine that will "play" in the dirt, then get the KLR.  If you want a dirt bike that will "play" on the street, then get something else.  You'll have more fun, I promise!



Mike

Today a coworker was trying to sell me hard on the TE 610. I love the looks and the idea of being able to hit a few trails but the trouble is I need some fuel range and I need to be able to do some pavement miles for when I pop back out onto the highway somwhere and need to get back.

BTW, you know I was kidding when I called you a snobby dirt bike rider right?  

[Johnny Monsoon]

Today a coworker was trying to sell me hard on the TE 610. I love the looks and the idea of being able to hit a few trails but the trouble is I need some fuel range and I need to be able to do some pavement miles for when I pop back out onto the highway somwhere and need to get back.

BTW, you know I was kidding when I called you a snobby dirt bike rider right?  

Everyone here knows I sing the accolades of the KLR.  No doubt about it.  But... It would seem the TE-610 really might be a better bike for you overall.  It'll do highway as well as the KLR with just a few mods, and it'll stomp the poo out of the KLR, DR, and likely even the DRz offroad.  It makes pretty good power and has an impressive power to weight ratio for most any bike.

For your intended uses, I'd take a serious look at the Husky.  Large tanks are available for it.  In the end, I think you'd be happier with this bike if you can afford to make the initial plunge.  As stated before, the cost of a KLR can come very close to a TE when it is all said and done.  I'm seeing some TEs selling in the low $6ks.  That's a lot of extra in the upgrade realm for not a lot of coin difference.  

That said, you'll want a new seat right away: $400.  You'll also want a larger tank, which we'll estimate at $325.  Aside from that, maybe a small windshield to bolt to the front of that little fairing.  I'd suggest that might set you back $50-75.  You're done.  That's it.  No more needed.

[speedjunkie]

BTW, you know I was kidding when I called you a snobby dirt bike rider right?  

Hey!!  I don't ride a BMW!!    Really tho, it's good.  I didn't go into great detail in my first post because I usually end up getting wound up in the whole KLR thing.  When in fact my "snobby" remarks should have been better explained.  My bad.  

Yes, I'm passionate about bikes.  But, I have owned both.  I was SO disappointed in the KLR's performance, even on the ride home, I had nearly 160 miles to beat myself up!  I just don't want anyone else to make the same mistake.  You read SO many great posts about the KLR, but until you experience it first hand, you never know.  Yeah, I read the posts about there's not much to gain from jetting and a pipe, but I thought, it's a 650 right?  How bad can it be?  It should run pretty good!  I think my vintage '85 XR250R would keep up with it in the power department, and beat it in the dirt department!  So I still went out and re jetted, piped it, drilled the slide, and removed the snorkel.  This helped, but VERY little as stated.  This will offend some, sorry.  You can put a pig in a dress, but it's still a pig.  The KLR just didn't have the "whee!" factor for me.  Not like the katoom, that's a grin that can't be removed without plastic surgery!  Anything you can power wheelie in second, on full knobs, has just enough power to make it "interesting"!  I had a FJR, I know what the acceleration rush feels like!  If you want a "rush" in your dirt bike, the KLR will never have it.  If you haven't ridden a KLR, do it before deciding.  If you can find someone with a KTM, do it, the Husky will come close.  Check over on KTMTalk, surely there is someone in your area that would help a fellow "nut" out!  Decide from there.  To each his own.

Don't know about the Husky, but the KTM is more buzzy in the footpegs than the KLR, but then again I've got full on knobs on the katoom.  The buzz in the handlebars is actually better on the E, don't know if that's the diff between alum bars vs. steel or what.  

Now as far as fuel goes.  My E came with an 18L tank, which gives me 190+ miles on the odometer without hitting reserve, and that's riding paved to the play area, and lots of play.  I know the EXC's you can get larger tanks for as well.  Also I believe the MXC tanks will fit, and they are like 3 gallons.  Clarke, IMS, and Acerbis all makes tanks.  IIRC, one of those mfg's is supposed to be coming out with a tank for the TE610 very soon.

One last analogy, the KLR (mule) vs KTM, Husky, Aprillia, Husa, Sherco, etc. (race horse), the only way the mule is gonna win the race is if the other breaks it's leg, but, the mule will finish the race.  Slow and steady?  Maybe, but not for me!!  



Mike

[SWriverstone]

Great post Mike!   Though I love my KLR, you nailed it perfectly!

See, I'm not an aggressive rider. I *don't* enjoy leaping ditches, climbing over boulders, and wrestling with deeply rutted washouts, sand and mud. I mean, I'd deal with it if I had to, but I don't go out seeking it. (At least not on the KLR—if I had a "real" dirtbike, I'd probably like that stuff more!)

Generally, I'm happy just cruising—along secondary paved roads, fire roads, the occasional smooth grassy plain, or the occasional double-track in good shape. I'm not into speed, and power doesn't really mean anything to me. My primary concerns when riding are...

- how far can I go on a single tank?
- is the bike reliable (with my style of use)?
- can it haul gear?
- does the bike move forward when I twist the throttle? (Don't care how quickly.)
- how's the scenery?  

So for someone like me, the KLR fits the bill. Mike represents a very different type of rider—and if I were like you Mike, I'd probably be whining to get rid of my KLR too!  

Scott

[XLR8]

...

This will offend some, sorry.  You can put a pig in a dress, but it's still a pig.  The KLR just didn't have the "whee!" factor for me.  Not like the katoom, that's a grin that can't be removed without plastic surgery!  Anything you can power wheelie in second, on full knobs, has just enough power to make it "interesting"!  I had a FJR, I know what the acceleration rush feels like!  If you want a "rush" in your dirt bike, the KLR will never have it.  If you haven't ridden a KLR, do it before deciding.  If you can find someone with a KTM, do it, the Husky will come close.  Check over on KTMTalk, surely there is someone in your area that would help a fellow "nut" out!  Decide from there.  To each his own.

...
   

I appreciate the info everyone. speedjunkie, you too you dirt biking snob.    This has turned into an interesting thread with some great info. I think maybe we could take bits from this and other posts and make a sticky on how to choose a DS. There are more choices now and you can go wrong depending on what you think you want to ride or how others think you want to ride. I originally thought I wanted a 1200GS. Imagine that.

Obviously there are different reasons people head "offroad" and look into getting a DS bike. Some want the same rush in the dirt they can get on twisty asphalt and I have admit that sounds like a blast for some rides. I've been mountain biking since they invented them so I can dig it!

However, much like SWriverstone, I'm looking to go places - touring in the dirt really. I'm an amateur photographer (recently renewed hobby) and I want a bike that can get me to (or close) some places I might not see otherwise see. Idaho is absolutely full of places to explore on a DS.

- V-Strom - too big and heavy
- 1200 GS - " "
- Buell Ulysses " "
- KTM 950/990 - love  it, maybe next DS though

- KLR 650 - jack of all, master of none  

- Suzuki DR-Z400S - also has a great rep, no range, again maybe bigger tank?

- Husky TE610 I'm going to at least go have a look with the option of a bigger tank. I'm in the middle of a very interesting thread over on advrider. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156431

I'm not sure what's up with those Italians. They don't give their bikes any fuel capacity. Why make a larger displacement bike like a 610 and then slap a tricycle fuel tank on it?  

I'm selling my 06 GSX-R to go DS. Poor thing, only had it one season. Anyway, I'll have 9K in my pocket! Whoop!  

[kurtw]

Whatever you do, get something by the time the desert thaws and we can meet halfway somewhere.

[R.Markus]

Here's a nice bike for a good price:

[Uncle Leo]

Good thread! I've gotta say the new KLR has me interested, too. I've been riding and racing for over 4 decades, and looking back at all the bikes I've ridden and owned, there's one that stands out over all of 'em as far and away the most FUN. a 1979 Honda XL-250. Yep, an utter toad of a dog of a bike, grossly under powered, spindly flexi-flyer suspension, "I'll think about it" brakes, and on and on... I rode it for 2 years all over the Colorado Rockies, having to ride hundreds of miles going to the trails, on the trails and then back home. Of all the bikes I've had, from 120cc trail machines to 1200 cc superbikes, that one gave me the true "passion" for riding. I'd like to try to re-capture that feeling, and the new KLR looks like it will fill the bill. Yes, the suspension is shorter, but if it's beefier and better sprung from the outset, so what? My one real hope is that they've done away with the doohickey so that the bike becomes a true turn key machine, like that old Honda of mine. Turn key, go, giggle, go some more, laugh out loud, go home and put it away. I'm really hoping good things from this one...

[Johnny Monsoon]

Good thread! I've gotta say the new KLR has me interested, too. I've been riding and racing for over 4 decades, and looking back at all the bikes I've ridden and owned, there's one that stands out over all of 'em as far and away the most FUN. a 1979 Honda XL-250. Yep, an utter toad of a dog of a bike, grossly under powered, spindly flexi-flyer suspension, "I'll think about it" brakes, and on and on... I rode it for 2 years all over the Colorado Rockies, having to ride hundreds of miles going to the trails, on the trails and then back home. Of all the bikes I've had, from 120cc trail machines to 1200 cc superbikes, that one gave me the true "passion" for riding. I'd like to try to re-capture that feeling, and the new KLR looks like it will fill the bill. Yes, the suspension is shorter, but if it's beefier and better sprung from the outset, so what? My one real hope is that they've done away with the doohickey so that the bike becomes a true turn key machine, like that old Honda of mine. Turn key, go, giggle, go some more, laugh out loud, go home and put it away. I'm really hoping good things from this one...

I submit that the KLR is not the bike to help you recapture that feeling.  The KLX250S would be a perfect bike for what you seem like you want to do.

[kurtw]

Here's a nice bike for a good price:

XLR8, get your ass over there right this second. That's the bike! Really! I mean it! F'ing perfect!!!!!

Good find!

Edit to add - it's all set up for what you want to do, in Idaho, and you'll have cash left over for supermoto wheels ! or whatever... you'll spend your time and money on the fun stuff, because everything on this bike is top notch already (my point all along).

NOW, the dual-sport search has ended.... =)

[speedjunkie]

 



Mike

[XLR8]

XLR8, get your ass over there right this second. That's the bike! Really! I mean it! F'ing perfect!!!!!

Good find!

Edit to add - it's all set up for what you want to do, in Idaho, and you'll have cash left over for supermoto wheels ! or whatever... you'll spend your time and money on the fun stuff, because everything on this bike is top notch already (my point all along).

NOW, the dual-sport search has ended.... =)

Whoa. That's like two streets over from me. I just got back from a drive to hells canyon. I'll reread this thread tomorrow....  

[Uncle Leo]

I submit that the KLR is not the bike to help you recapture that feeling.  The KLX250S would be a perfect bike for what you seem like you want to do.

Thanks for the input, but I now live in Florida and that sorta puts gravel and dirt roads higher on the reality scale where it's a real stretch between decent off road spots. I'd need something to drone away the miles of blacktop getting to the dirty places and the big Kwacker would definately be more comfortable for that unfortunate necessity. I doubt the more specialized design of the KLX250 would be put to much use, plus, with my, ahem, added size from those good old day and 6 gallons vs 1.9 gallons, that's kinda sealing the deal for me. But I'm always open to suggestions...

[OnlyVees]

I'm also waiting for the jury to return on the 08 KLR. I currently ride an 06 DL650, which I love to pieces. Ideally, I'd like to find a smaller-bore dual-sport, like a KLR250 or a DR350SE, to complement my Strom. The DL is a wonderful machine, but riding it off-road (for me) is terrifying. I'd describe it as controlled chaos, but I don't blame the bike. It's more like the sunroof in my Accord; I use it because it's there. If Suzuki lumps the DL with dual-sports, I'm gonna ride it on fire roads and the like.
Good thread.

[XLR8]

Whatever you do, get something by the time the desert thaws and we can meet halfway somewhere.

Right on. I've recently discovered the Owyhees even though I grew up in this area and I love it out there! I don't know much about the 640 in that ad though. It has a big tank! I think.

[vitaminC]

Not sure if it's still there in the store or not, but Munroe Motors has a great deal on a TE610:

2006 Husqvarna TE610
Street legal Dual Sport Thumper. Recent Cycle World Dual Sport of The Year.
$5,995 Closeout

[XLR8]

Not sure if it's still there in the store or not, but Munroe Motors has a great deal on a TE610:

I looked at one yesterday. Oh my gawd is that a sexy machine. It just needs more range. It's still on my list.

[Johnny Monsoon]

Thanks for the input, but I now live in Florida and that sorta puts gravel and dirt roads higher on the reality scale where it's a real stretch between decent off road spots. I'd need something to drone away the miles of blacktop getting to the dirty places and the big Kwacker would definately be more comfortable for that unfortunate necessity. I doubt the more specialized design of the KLX250 would be put to much use, plus, with my, ahem, added size from those good old day and 6 gallons vs 1.9 gallons, that's kinda sealing the deal for me. But I'm always open to suggestions...

I think you're focusing on displacement here.  I owned a KLR and have spent some good time in the saddle of a KLX250S.  The KLX is very nearly as good on the road and decidedly better offroad.  The guy who owns it, who is kind enough to let me rack up the miles on it, is 6'4" and over 220lb.  He doesn't have any trouble.  

[XLR8]

So I have a total newbie dirt question.

I don't have my bike yet, but how much should I push it on the highway with these DOT knobbies? I'm not looking to rail corners or anything but are they really really slick or what? I don't know what brand come on the TE but they look like aggressive but harder knobs with a fairly spread out pattern.

The only thing I have to gauge  by are my Mt. Bike tires which are pretty squirrelly on the pavement. But they do OK and I just go by feel. Same thing on a off road motorbike?

[Johnny Monsoon]

So I have a total newbie dirt question.

I don't have my bike yet, but how much should I push it on the highway with these DOT knobbies? I'm not looking to rail corners or anything but are they really really slick or what? I don't know what brand come on the TE but they look like aggressive but harder knobs with a fairly spread out pattern.

The only thing I have to gauge  by are my Mt. Bike tires which are pretty squirrelly on the pavement. But they do OK and I just go by feel. Same thing on a off road motorbike?

IMO the best way to know that is to get some dirt time.  You'll get used to the bike being loose under you and when you're on the road you'll know exactly how much grip you have before the tire actually breaks loose.  You'll be amazed at how well those knobs will hold, even at crazy lean angles; it does feel a bit crazy at first though... no two ways about that!  You get used to it very quickly though, so just have faith but learn the bike's (and tire's) limits in the dirt before you try on road.  

You'll find that stepping the back end out is absolutely zero issue once you understand what's going on; but make sure to use the dirt to figure that out!

[R.Markus]

It is quite disturbing to be leaned over so far you're only rolling on the outside row of knobs. It vibrates like crazy, but it holds if you know how far to push it (and how far not to). You would be suprised how well a lot of those tires hold. I haven't done that with my TKC 80's, but did a lot on the Maxxis C6006's.

[XLR8]

Well, for better or worse I put down my deposit today on a 06 TE 610. I say worse because it's a bike that not a lot of people know much about and it has me a little nervous. But they get good reviews and owners seem to be very pleased except for a few that have some strange quirks. I passed up the legendary and ultra reliable KLR and DR-Z (which was like $1600 less) to go for the TE. It's just so cool and mean looking!

I hope the bike will be everything I want and more. I'm pretty excited to get into the whole DS thing and after a lot of research I think the TE is a true DS bike, the right bike for me, and one that will take me on many fun rides.

They still need to build it up for me, then I'll post some pics!

[Cricket]

 

[R.Markus]

I'm sure you'll be happy with it. It should be a very reliable machine. I have not heard anything bad about them and the owners do love them. Mark Samson did the entire TAT on his without a problem (the small tank was the only issue).

Here is a link to that report while you are waiting for yours to be put together. It is a very good one.

[Johnny Monsoon]

A few owners have reported minor issues (like the woodruff key shearing due to a loose nut), but I think there's enough information out there (especially on www.advrider.com under the Thumpers section) that all of your potential woes will be clearly addressed with ready fixes.

Congrats on buying one of my dream bikes.  I think you'll be very, very happy with it.

On a sub-note... I e-mailed my local Husky dealer today and they informed me they have a TE-610 on the floor and do allow test rides.  Mwaaaahaaaaahaaaaa!

[kurtw]

Grats XLR8! I'm looking forward to some ride reports!

[speedjunkie]

Actually I think the loose rotor bolt was a recall IIRC.  Basically some slipped out of the factory without being torqued down.  Just make sure before you pick it up that ALL recalls and TSB's have been complied with and are up to date.  


Mike

[Johnny Monsoon]

Actually I think the loose rotor bolt was a recall IIRC.  Basically some slipped out of the factory without being torqued down.  Just make sure before you pick it up that ALL recalls and TSB's have been complied with and are up to date.  


Mike

That's good news.  I have a lot more respect for a company that owns up to a mistake and corrects it than one that tries to cover it up.  I've also heard the wiring harness is a bit chincy, and that the connectors are flimsy.  I'd take a good look through everything and make sure you have plenty of play in the harness as you manipulate the bars, etc.  Also, check the lamp connections and replace them if necessary.  That's a pretty easy thing to do and you can get a huge improvement with just a few dollars and a couple hours of your time.

[R.Markus]

That's good news.  I have a lot more respect for a company that owns up to a mistake and corrects it than one that tries to cover it up.  I've also heard the wiring harness is a bit chincy, and that the connectors are flimsy.  I'd take a good look through everything and make sure you have plenty of play in the harness as you manipulate the bars, etc.  Also, check the lamp connections and replace them if necessary.  That's a pretty easy thing to do and you can get a huge improvement with just a few dollars and a couple hours of your time.

I would do all of that with any new bike, especially a DS one that will get bounced around pretty good. I went through my 640 when I bought it, checked all electrical connections (and greased them with dielectric grease), hoses (checked all hose clamps), and torqued all the bolts I could find to make sure evrything was good to go.

[XLR8]

The Husky dealer here is checking all that stuff for me. In fact it was the first time ever that a dealer of any motorcycle I have purchased actually knew what I was talking about when I had mentioned that I read about this or that on the internet.

For instance, many FJRs tick because of premature valve guide wear. The Yamaha dealer here was clueless when I mentioned it to them.

The Husky dealer told me what his solution was to each quirk I mentioned and he already knew about them and there were only a few anyway. I feel in pretty good hands. We'll see but I think it will work out OK.

[Cricket]

Sounds like you have an excellent dealer to bad their not more dealer like them.

Keep us up to date on the bike. I have been looking at the Trans American Highway maybe someday.

Ken

[Johnny Monsoon]

I would do all of that with any new bike, especially a DS one that will get bounced around pretty good. I went through my 640 when I bought it, checked all electrical connections (and greased them with dielectric grease)

There's a product that we're using on our aircraft now that should be invaluable to a DS machine:  Avdec self-leveling compound.  It provides corrosion control without ever drying out.  Totally waterproof for connections and is a dielectric that you insert after the connection has been made.  The stuff is amazing.

http://www.avdec.com/injectable_sealants.htm

[XLR8]

Sounds like you have an excellent dealer to bad their not more dealer like them.

Keep us up to date on the bike. I have been looking at the Trans American Highway maybe someday.

Ken

Did you see the thread on Advrider about the guy who did it on his 610?

[XLR8]

There's a product that we're using on our aircraft now that should be invaluable to a DS machine:  Avdec self-leveling compound.  It provides corrosion control without ever drying out.  Totally waterproof for connections and is a dielectric that you insert after the connection has been made.  The stuff is amazing.

http://www.avdec.com/injectable_sealants.htm

I believe the owner of the Husky shop here used to be an engineer and he was just mentioning something like this to me and I can't remember if it was the same. Never leave home without it is what he was saying.

[greench440]

You should buy the 640 off advrider, NOW!!!  If my spare cash wasn't being taken up by a big trip next month, I'd come over and buy it out from underneath you.

That thing has the gearing, range, suspension, brakes, and reliability for what you are wanting to do.

[XLR8]

You should buy the 640 off advrider, NOW!!!  If my spare cash wasn't being taken up by a big trip next month, I'd come over and buy it out from underneath you.

That thing has the gearing, range, suspension, brakes, and reliability for what you are wanting to do.

I left a few messages with that guy and he never called me back. He lives a couple streets over. No matter, I bought a Husky TE 610.

[Cricket]

Did you see the thread on Advrider about the guy who did it on his 610?

Yes I did it was neat. The pictures were unreal. I just hope my 450EXC holds up that good. So far it’s been a blast to ride.

[ViffrKlr]

It is quite disturbing to be leaned over so far you're only rolling on the outside row of knobs. It vibrates like crazy, but it holds if you know how far to push it (and how far not to). You would be suprised how well a lot of those tires hold. I haven't done that with my TKC 80's, but did a lot on the Maxxis C6006's.

I've run the 606's, and they're pretty good on the dirt and slop, decent on the highway. When I did my Alaska
trip last year, I ran the Mefo Explorer MFE99's and loved them. Good in the dirt, great traction on the highway, wet or dry. Knobbys aren't as deep as the 606's, but still work well on the Denali Hwy, Top Of The World Highway, and the Dempster. Almost 6k, and still had a pretty tread depth left, but a little flat in the center.
I'd guess if it wasn't for all the weight I was carrying, I probably could've got another 2-3k out of them.

When in Fairbanks, had a couple from Germany ask if we knew of where they could get Mefo's, as it was their
tire of choice for their BMW's on their round the world tour.

[bluesurf]

For all but heavy dirt/rocks/crud then the Mefo's rock.  After them it's either 606's or MT21's, depending upon preference and bike, and then prolly TKC80's.

Congrats on the bike...a friend has had one for several months, and he's constantly grinning these days.  

[dlrides]

I have owned all three bikes, GS Adventure, KLR and two KTM 950's. For your purpose the KLR will be the best bang for the buck. I wish Kaw would have changed the KLR another way for 08. Better fairing(which they did), same susp travel with some real forks, and a 650cc v-twin. This would have transformed the bike into the perfect DS / Adventure Touring bike. Once you get a taste for DS, try a 950/990. Nothing like traveling 110 mph down a gravel road !

[dlrides]

I see your search is over ! The 610 was a good choice too. Good luck with the DS riding.

[ombrophobe]

Great thread to alll those that have passionately contributed.  I appreciate all the opinions I read.

I am testing the waters for a return to DS, my last was a piped and suspended 1980 XL500 that I bought new.  I beat the piss out of it in orange county CA and sandblasting in the anza borrego desert.  I remember how I loved the low-end stump-pulling torque that made waves of sand in the dunes and also how scary quickly it got heavy when off balance.  I also remember the whacky 23" from wheel never allowing anything but following the line.  I recall how nimble it was in traffic and that it could low speed pass in +/- 2 of the right gear how easy it was to ride 2nd gear wheelies forever.  Although I don't have delusions I could repeat it I remember power sliding corners with the knobbies I had on it.  That was heady stuff.

I love the simplicty of a thumper even with the vibration and moderate horsepower.  I want another bike to complement the well-rounded street performance of my VFR that I don't need to worry about scratching $1K in tupperware when I drop it for whatever reason.  I have had to use fire and logging roads and even some minor water crossings on the VFR when camp riding and have always been nervous about the consequences of dropping it.

I have been thinking of droning the haul road to Prudhoe bay this summer and am thinking a used and farkled KLR will my ticket as it is commonly available at a good value.  The KLR has great fuel range stock and is within its end of the class street biased but a lower mass off-road compromise than any liter bike twin.

The data on the '08 KLR is tantalizing for my current riding style.  I am always drawn to what is new especially with the KLR so long in the tooth but seeing as how I am going used I will have to wait for that opportunity.

Just wanted to share my thoughts to all of you that have helped me focus my direction, thank you!

Would like any opinions on the attached oppritunity I am close to a decision on...

http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/mcy/290738004.html

[FrontlineAuto]

I'm not tryin to start fights. But isn't there a pretty thick like between DS and Adventure Touring.  If you're going down a gravel road all day that's fine.  But are really going to take it in the mud and play with it.  Only if you have 3 other guys there to help you pick your 400 pound KTM or BMW loaded with your 800 pounds of crap that people bring out of a deep rut.  I think true Dual Sports aren't about HP and fuel capacity for a paved to gravel road. but about weight and maneuverability for street and dirt.  Anyone agree?

[XLR8]

I'm not tryin to start fights. But isn't there a pretty thick like between DS and Adventure Touring.  If you're going down a gravel road all day that's fine.  But are really going to take it in the mud and play with it.  Only if you have 3 other guys there to help you pick your 400 pound KTM or BMW loaded with your 800 pounds of crap that people bring out of a deep rut.  I think true Dual Sports aren't about HP and fuel capacity for a paved to gravel road. but about weight and maneuverability for street and dirt.  Anyone agree?

I'm not sure what you are getting at exactly but yes I agree and I think everyone else would too. For me there are three levels of offroad thinking & bikes.

Dedicated Dirt Bikes/Race Bikes
Mid Size DS Bikes - TE 610, KLR, DZ, etc.
Large DS Bikes - GS1200, 990 Adventure, etc.

Pick one that fits what you are looking for and hit the road, trail or both. Analyzing it much more is pointless. There is riding to be done and places to see.

[R.Markus]

I'm not tryin to start fights. But isn't there a pretty thick like between DS and Adventure Touring.  If you're going down a gravel road all day that's fine.  But are really going to take it in the mud and play with it.  Only if you have 3 other guys there to help you pick your 400 pound KTM or BMW loaded with your 800 pounds of crap that people bring out of a deep rut.  I think true Dual Sports aren't about HP and fuel capacity for a paved to gravel road. but about weight and maneuverability for street and dirt.  Anyone agree?

No.

[FrontlineAuto]

I guess im just tired of seeing people that claim they dual sport or ride dirt, when they have a 950 with 3 different gps units, bulky aerostitch fireman's suits, and nolan flip up helmets taking pics of every little gravel road they encounter.  Like they just conquered Erzberg.

[XLR8]

I guess im just tired of seeing people that claim they dual sport or ride dirt, when they have a 950 with 3 different gps units, bulky aerostitch fireman's suits, and nolan flip up helmets taking pics of every little gravel road they encounter.  Like they just conquered Erzberg.

Why would you even care?

Everyone has their own relationship with the sport. Some are more fit than others and everyone has different abilities. Some prefer technical riding and some don't. For someone who's lived all their life in the middle of a concrete jungle a 200 mile jaunt across a gravel road may feel like quite an adventure. They may grow from there and do more "knarly" stuff or decide they really enjoy gravel roads. It's all good.  

[bluesurf]

Why would you even care?
It's all good.  

Beside those two superlative points, then it's always good karma to help pick up the bikes of your brethren.

[R.Markus]

I guess im just tired of seeing people that claim they dual sport or ride dirt, when they have a 950 with 3 different gps units, bulky aerostitch fireman's suits, and nolan flip up helmets taking pics of every little gravel road they encounter. They act like they just conquered Erzberg.

I can understand that I suppose. I'm sick of ride reports and threads about idiots on v-4 and I-4 road barges that rode a 450 mile day and think they accomplished something.

[XLR8]

I can understand that I suppose. I'm sick of ride reports and threads about idiots on v-4 and I-4 road barges that rode a 450 mile day and think they accomplished something.

Hmm seems like a strange site to hang out on if you are sick of such things.  

[R.Markus]

Hmm seems like a strange site to hang out on if you are sick of such things.  

Yes, that has occurred to me.  

[birdrunner]

Hmm seems like a strange site to hang out on if you are sick of such things.  

*1

Personally,  I don't care how far you ride in a day, how fast you went etc. blah blah blah.
I love the photos of other places.  People sharing their experiences is what I feel this  site is all about.

[Albie]

I'm not tryin to start fights. But isn't there a pretty thick like between DS and Adventure Touring.  If you're going down a gravel road all day that's fine.  But are really going to take it in the mud and play with it.  Only if you have 3 other guys there to help you pick your 400 pound KTM or BMW loaded with your 800 pounds of crap that people bring out of a deep rut.  I think true Dual Sports aren't about HP and fuel capacity for a paved to gravel road. but about weight and maneuverability for street and dirt.  Anyone agree?

yes

[Albie]

I'm not sure what you are getting at exactly but yes I agree and I think everyone else would too. For me there are three levels of offroad thinking & bikes.

Dedicated Dirt Bikes/Race Bikes
Mid Size DS Bikes - TE 610, KLR, DZ, etc.
Large DS Bikes - GS1200, 990 Adventure, etc.

Pick one that fits what you are looking for and hit the road, trail or both. Analyzing it much more is pointless. There is riding to be done and places to see.

I see it completely different:

Dedicated dirt/race bikes
dual sport bikes, any street legal dirt bike weighing in at less then 300lbs
adventure bikes: Any bike that weighs over 300 lbs and can go off road.

[Albie]

I can understand that I suppose. I'm sick of ride reports and threads about idiots on v-4 and I-4 road barges that rode a 450 mile day and think they accomplished something.

+1  

[FrontlineAuto]

Anyways, i didn't mean to start anything huge.  i saw the dirt lovers forum and had to chime in.  Everyone's got there own thing.  you got that right.
Does anybody with a drz 400s think that the front suspension is too stiff, even on the softest setting.  I'm thinkin about changing to a lighter oil.  Does it help?

[XLR8]

Anyways, i didn't mean to start anything huge.  i saw the dirt lovers forum and had to chime in.  Everyone's got there own thing.  you got that right.
Does anybody with a drz 400s think that the front suspension is too stiff, even on the softest setting.  I'm thinkin about changing to a lighter oil.  Does it help?

What! All that chest pounding and you ride a DR-Z noobercycle! Nothing manly like a KTM 525, Husky 510, 610, or a Superenduro?  

 

[Albie]

Anyways, i didn't mean to start anything huge.  i saw the dirt lovers forum and had to chime in.  Everyone's got there own thing.  you got that right.
Does anybody with a drz 400s think that the front suspension is too stiff, even on the softest setting.  I'm thinkin about changing to a lighter oil.  Does it help?

Probably not. Lighter spring rate is more likely the fix.

[FrontlineAuto]

you're talking a big difference between a drz400 and a ktm or husky.  i dont think i would dirt ride anything over a 450 just due to weight.  thats just me.  but i ride more then just gravel roads.

[XLR8]

 but i ride more then just gravel roads.

Yea I think I got that part. As if there is something wrong with gravel roads or something.   We have a lot of gravel roads in this state and they can take you to some wonderful places.

[Albie]

Yea I think I got that part. As if there is something wrong with gravel roads or something.   We have a lot of gravel roads in this state and they can take you to some wonderful places.

Yup, you usually got to take the gravel roads to get to the fun stuff.  

[x32792]

I do still have it, for a few more days, and do like it.  I like the DR-Z more, however.

Why do you like your DR-Z more then your KLR? Weight? Value? Less problems? Better suited to where you ride? (your particular paved to dirt ratio). TIA.

[bluesurf]

Why do you like your DR-Z more then your KLR? Weight? Value? Less problems? Better suited to where you ride? (your particular paved to dirt ratio). TIA.

All of the above, and much more performance/ability to toss around/pure fun factor.  Some like the KLR because it's a tad more comfortable, but I'll take performance/less weight (translates to more fun) over comfort, more of a road bike than a dirt bike, & associated weight.