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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2007, 10:15:27 AM »




Take a look at a 98-99 R1200 C BMW.  I saw one sold at the BMW dealership near me the other day for $4000.  ~6000 miles on the thing.  Near new looking.  Get rid of the ape hanger bars.


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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2007, 10:14:38 PM »


Dude, if you have a bike and enough confidence, you will get laid.  If you just have confidence, you will get more pussy than a speculum.  BTDT.

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« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2007, 06:59:57 AM »

+1 on the Concours.  I'm biased as hell, of course, being a Concours owner, but I am one because the bike really does work.  Much of the time, it's my daily ride for local go-ferring as well as longer hauls.  I can do a grocery run with the stock saddle bags and a big Givi trunk and almost never need to use the cargo net for the overflow.  The order includes serious quantities of cat food, the usual milk, juice, veggies, etc. and often a couple of 12-packs of Coke.  Heck, I've even hauled cedar planking (cut down to 2-3' lengths, to match the job).  I don't carry a lot of photo gear (just a SLR digital camera and some battery charger stuff) but that and my laptop have never suffered from spending a few hours in the Givi trunk.

The engine (basically a Ninja with less top end and more mid-range torque) is strong enough to haul stuff and still haul down the road at speeds that will get LEO's attention in many states.  Other bikes may be better in the twisties but the Concours won't embarrass its owner, either.  +1 on the bike not being good on dirt and gravel.  It can be done but I've had more fun in my life.   Rolleyes 

The one big knock against the Concours is it's top heavy.  In the Concours community, "there are those who have 'tipped Connie', and those who will".  The prime area of risk is parking lot maneuvering.  The range the handle bars and front tire swings through is a bit limited and the bike must, must, must be upright or very close to it or... EEK!  BTDT(x 3 Embarassment). 

But There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch and the top-heavy issue is Connie's charge for lunch.  Accept it, get used to it, and you've got a bike that will take you down a lot of roads and leave you wanting to do it again real soon. 

BTW, in case nobody else mentions it - see the Concours Owners Group site for more on these bikes.  Or feel free to PM me for more info.   Bigsmile

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Re: price.  "Under $5K" is relatively easy.  "Under $4K" is certainly possible.  There are basically two Concours versions: '86-'93, and '94-'06.  There are a host of incremental changes (see the COG site's history of the bike for the details) but the three changes that stand out for me are the later version has better brakes (four pots / rotor vs. two pots), a saddle that favors the rider (pillion space is slightly smaller but higher), and a speedo with dual trip odos which make tracking travel and gas use much easier.  However, many of the parts for an '86 will fit a '06 and vice versa.  For this reason, buying, for example, a '95 with 15-25K on it doesn't mean you're buying a near-orphan.  You could get into an earlier Connie with 40-50K and still do well, although thinks like adding Galfer stainless steel brake lines to improve braking might be worth thinking about. 

"The Buzz".  Frankly, much of this story is, IMHO, BS.  Yes, there are some buzzy Concourses around.  But many of them do just fine, thank you, once the engine mounting bolts are tightened properly, the adjustable balancer and cam chain tensioner are set up, and the carbs are synced up.  The rest of it, to be blunt, is whining.   Twofinger 

Steppers and Risers.  I don't get it.  When I bought my '99, it came with both.  The steppers made the shifter and rear brake access difficult.  The pedals and their travel were just flat wrong, no matter how much I tweaked their positions.  I yanked the risers, put the shifter and brake back where it should be and "life is good".  Understand that every morning, after I get out of bed, I pop a pair of Excedrins to quiet down my knees and have been since before I had the Concours.  Steppers (AKA "knee savers") did zilch to help that. 

Risers are another thing I don't get.  Heck, if you want to fork a bike like it's a Gold Wing, buy one, don't screw up a perfectly good bike with those aluminum blocks that stretch the bejeebers out of the brake and clutch lines.  In fact, I mounted a set of '86 Concours bars on Barney (a '99) to drop the bars another 1" (one of those incremental changes in the line - the '86 Concours windshield and bars are 1" lower or shorter than the '87-'06 parts).  The bike seems a little more responsive with the bars closer (lower) to the triple trees.  That may be wishful thinking but that's how it feels.  But risers...?  Shoot, might as well attach the bars with bungee cords for all the improvement in steering that gives. 

As I said above, TINSTAAFL, and the lower bars do have a price: more pressure against my hands as I support my upper body on the bars.  On long rides, I use a throttle lock and changing my grip for relief.  So far, so good.  I haven't done any Iron Butt-scale rides yet, so I may still go back to the stock bars, but not yet. 

And the point of all of that stuff about steppers and risers is?  When buying a used Connie, there's a pretty good chance the PO('s) will add them and some other farkles that, IMHO, actually hurt the bike more than help it.  They can come off and you can sell them.  But it helps to know this stuff going into the deal.   Shop accordingly.  Smile
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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2007, 11:06:14 AM »




+1 on the Concours.


Thanks for the write up.  With all the snow outside I have lots of time to research and think my decision through, I have been thinking about a 650 GS, A Concours, and I have seen a few ads for some older BMW R1100's with saddle bags for an okay price.  I am afraid of the maintenance costs on the BMW's though.

Would you recommend the Connie to a novice rider? What about THAT much displacement is that too much too soon? is the top heavy aspect of the bike going to be a huge crutch for someone still mastering how to handle a bike?
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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2007, 11:57:05 PM »




Trouble with German bikes, they always end up taking you to Poland.


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Or a quick tour of Europa. Stalingrad to Paris anyone? Last stop ........Berlin!
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« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2007, 02:35:35 PM »

On the Concours , how tall are you ? whats your inseam ?

Taller people usually have very little issue with the connies weight , my buddy is 5f, 7in and he bitches all the time "its too tall and its a fat pig" .
I dont have that problem at 6,1 Smile

Dont take it on dirt roads , only 2 times I dumped mine was both on dirt , maybe Im just not a dirt rider ?

Maintenance is fairly easy , a spin on oilfilter adapter is a must for easy oil changes (Burgmen engineering , look for info on the COG website ) save lots of time Smile

its not a modern bike by any means , is a late 80s bike , but its proven as a good starting point to build the bike around what you need, accessories abound on the internet !

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« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2007, 04:05:41 PM »

Thanks for the write up.  With all the snow outside I have lots of time to research and think my decision through, I have been thinking about a 650 GS, A Concours, and I have seen a few ads for some older BMW R1100's with saddle bags for an okay price.  I am afraid of the maintenance costs on the BMW's though.

Would you recommend the Connie to a novice rider? What about THAT much displacement is that too much too soon? is the top heavy aspect of the bike going to be a huge crutch for someone still mastering how to handle a bike?

I can't comment on Beemer maintenance costs directly but everything I've seen suggests "if you have to ask how much, you can't afford it" (or close to it). 

How novice is novice?  "Never ever" or "just rode around the block on a scooter" or...?

It's not the Concours' displacement that's the real demon; the engine is tuned for more mid-range torque and a little less top end HP.  Which is not to say the front won't come up if you wind up the motor and drop the hammer - oh, my, yes, it will come up.   EEK!  (I'm not sure who was more surprised by that, me or the dweeb next to me, hoping to squeeze me out at a lane merge.)  But use a bit of common sense (or a small dose of fear) and all will be well.

Where the Concours is a real challenge is the weight (650 lbs plus rider) which is carried high (big tank up top and an engine that isn't very low in the frame), and the "keeps you honest" low speed handling.  At any speed below a fast jogging pace, the Concours will demand you keep it absolutely upright and that you stop with the front wheel pointed almost straight ahead.  Get away from that and... boink.  It's axiomatic in the Concours owners community that "there are those who've "tipped Connie" and those who will".  But once the bike's rolling at a fast jog or better, life gets easy real fast. 
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