XB12XT - How are you living with it?

[vulcanbill]

I saw some of the threads about the motor   and know about the heat, the flywheel, the fan etc...  However, those of you that came to terms with it, how are you dealing with those issues?  Any custom options for rerouting the heat?  Any aftermarket fans yet?

Also, what accessories are out there that aren't getting major advertising.  I saw a Corbin seat, some frame sliders and stuff from the Twisted Throttle site.  What else is out there?  Screens?  Pipes?  Bars?  

What are the mod whores doing to their XTs?

BillO

[o-9]

You need to look at thees forums for good info.
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/discus.cgi?pg=topics
http://www.buelletinboard.com/forums/index.php

[Oilhed]

I want one soooo bad

[Roader06]

I saw some of the threads about the motor   and know about the heat, the flywheel, the fan etc...  However, those of you that came to terms with it, how are you dealing with those issues?  Any custom options for rerouting the heat?  Any aftermarket fans yet?

Also, what accessories are out there that aren't getting major advertising.  I saw a Corbin seat, some frame sliders and stuff from the Twisted Throttle site.  What else is out there?  Screens?  Pipes?  Bars?  

What are the mod whores doing to their XTs?

BillO

The bike seems perfect to me as it comes although I'm not sure what you mean about the engine and the fly wheel.  I love the way the bike runs.

With regards to the heat....just when mine edges near my feeling like moving my leg, the fan kicks on and cools the frame off just fine.  The side pipe on my vtx1800c was hotter, and overall my concours c10 was hotter.

The fan doesn't bother me in the least because I know it's doing good things.  

Maybe somebody who has seen any of this as a problem will post up and address these items as problems.

[Squidbuzz]

I haven't had my Uly very long, so I will be keeping a close watch on the right leg heat.  I will probably order up the heat shields from Spec Ops in the next few weeks for when the weather gets warm.

[Yankee Dog]

I saw some of the threads about the motor   and know about the heat, the flywheel, the fan etc...  However, those of you that came to terms with it, how are you dealing with those issues?  Any custom options for rerouting the heat?  Any aftermarket fans yet?

Also, what accessories are out there that aren't getting major advertising.  I saw a Corbin seat, some frame sliders and stuff from the Twisted Throttle site.  What else is out there?  Screens?  Pipes?  Bars?  

What are the mod whores doing to their XTs?

BillO

I just picked mine up last Friday in Atlanta and road it up to Sweetwater, TN.  On Saturday the missus and I rode the Dragon, 28, Wayah rd and the Cherohala.  Had a great time.  Even Sunday while riding back to AL in the rain I had a grin on my face.  

All those mods you asked about are available.  Check out the Badweatherbikers website.  It is THE website for Buells.  

The only mod I think I will be doing are those releate to the heat it puts out.  So far it has been nothing I cant deal with but I wonder how things will be when things hit the triple digits heat wise.  

Yankee Dog

[Rincewind]

I just picked mine up last Friday in Atlanta and road it up to Sweetwater, TN.  On Saturday the missus and I rode the Dragon, 28, Wayah rd and the Cherohala.  Had a great time.  Even Sunday while riding back to AL in the rain I had a grin on my face.  

All those mods you asked about are available.  Check out the Badweatherbikers website.  It is THE website for Buells.  

The only mod I think I will be doing are those releate to the heat it puts out.  So far it has been nothing I cant deal with but I wonder how things will be when things hit the triple digits heat wise.  

Yankee Dog

Congrats on the new bike.  Got any pics?  

[Yankee Dog]

Took this one after my return from the Smokies in the rain.  

Yankee dog

[Rincewind]

Lookin' good, Yankee Dog, thanks and enjoy.  

[vulcanbill]

Took this one after my return from the Smokies in the rain.  

Yankee dog

Nice.  Check out my ride report.  There are pictures of Jon's w/ the new screen and the orange plastics / seat the dealer swapped for him.  He said after break in, the motor is really picking up power/torque.  That thing will scoot when pushed and is apparently really comfortable for the long haul.  Congrats.  Do the ground mod before it's an issue.  Trust me on that one.  

BillO

[Yankee Dog]

.......................... Do the ground mod before it's an issue.  Trust me on that one.  

BillO

Ground mod????   I dont think I have see that one.  Linky please.

Yankee dog

[vulcanbill]

Ground mod????   I dont think I have see that one.  Linky please.

Yankee dog

Just do a search on badweb and you should find it pretty quickly.  It exhibited itself rather unpleasantly on Jon's bike.  You'll want to have that addressed.  His bike stopped running a couple times and refused to start several times then when it was taken to the dealer for the first service and he complained about it, they did nothing because there were no codes stored.  Went to pick it up, put key in, hit starter button and big click.  Then turned key off and every light on the bike came on and stayed on.  Awesome.  

[Brad1445]

Took this one after my return from the Smokies in the rain.  

Yankee dog

what a cool bike!

[DoggyDaddy]

Took this one after my return from the Smokies in the rain.  

Why is it that you have come back from a ride in the rain and your bike is just wet.  When I come back from a ride in the rain my bike has changed colors from black to brown!  You must have cleaner rain there than we have here!  

[Oilhed]

STOP IT!!!

I really want one and you're not helping.  Make mine blue and substitute the other bags sold on the Police model, please.  I'm just not sure I would be happy with the powerplant after the Ducati.  It was a very exciting test ride.

[Yankee Dog]

STOP IT!!!

I really want one and you're not helping.  Make mine blue and substitute the other bags sold on the Police model, please.  I'm just not sure I would be happy with the powerplant after the Ducati.  It was a very exciting test ride.

OK, then I wont mention the required maintenance for the Buell requires not much more than oil changes every 5,000 miles     No more valve adjustments for me.  

Yankee Dog

[Oilhed]

OK, then I wont mention the required maintenance for the Buell requires not much more than oil changes every 5,000 miles     No more valve adjustments for me.  

Yankee Dog

I know, I know.......THANKS!

[wbrisett]

I have a 2007 Uly with about 13000 miles on it now (not much when I compare it to my 2004 RT), but it is a joy to ride and a breeze to maintain.

Wayne

[Rincewind]

OK, then I wont mention the required maintenance for the Buell requires not much more than oil changes every 5,000 miles     No more valve adjustments for me.  

Yankee Dog

Is that really all the maintenance it takes?  Oil and consumables?  I could handle not dealing with valve checks.

What sort of range is common for commuting, and for touring?

[scottzilla]

Is that really all the maintenance it takes?  Oil and consumables?  I could handle not dealing with valve checks.

What sort of range is common for commuting, and for touring?

yup, oil and primary fluid.  the Primary fluid change is just like doing a 1 qt oil change.  
No valve adjustment or final drive adjustment.

[Rincewind]

yup, oil and primary fluid.  the Primary fluid change is just like doing a 1 qt oil change.  
No valve adjustment or final drive adjustment.

And TPS resets can be done w/o a notebook PC on 2008 and newer models, so I've read.

Seems like a steal in terms of maintenance costs, when I'm paying $400 for 12k services, and $100ish for $6k services.  That's potentially $500+ saved every 12,000 miles, plus the 45min travel time to the dealer.

Can the Uly/XT/SS models make 200 miles to a tank?  I have been a little disillusioned by the Buell motors on test rides before, but I may learn to love it if the numbers are right.

[Yankee Dog]

....................Can the Uly/XT/SS models make 200 miles to a tank?  .......................

Unfortunetly not.  I went on reserve at 156 miles the other day.  That should give me a dry tank range of 192 miles according to the spec sheet.  A weak point I will admit.

Powerwise I find it a little peppier than my R1150RT.  Weight and handling is waaay better.  Handling at normal speed is of course better than the RT.  My chicken stripes used to be around 1/2".  With the Uly they are 1/4 or 1/8.  But where I really notice the difference is at low speeds. I feel like I am on a dirt bike.    

by the way, the primary fluid only needs changing every 10,000 miles.  The engine and filter are every 5000.  

Yankee dog

[Rincewind]

3.57 gallons till reserve, with 4.4 gallons total.  So about 44 mpg if you got 156 miles till reserve.  That's reasonable mileage, but I was thinking the published "64 mpg highway" figure was more attainable - maybe not.

Compared to my Tiger, 44 mpg and 156 miles till the reserve light is doing pretty good, but the reserve can take me over 200 miles if needed.

Thanks for the input.  Definitely food for thought here.

[scottzilla]

Unfortunetly not.  I went on reserve at 156 miles the other day.  That should give me a dry tank range of 192 miles according to the spec sheet.  A weak point I will admit.

Powerwise I find it a little peppier than my R1150RT.  Weight and handling is waaay better.  Handling at normal speed is of course better than the RT.  My chicken stripes used to be around 1/2".  With the Uly they are 1/4 or 1/8.  But where I really notice the difference is at low speeds. I feel like I am on a dirt bike.    

by the way, the primary fluid only needs changing every 10,000 miles.  The engine and filter are every 5000.  

Yankee dog

I change the primary fluid every oil change 'cause it costs $7.00.

[vulcanbill]

3.57 gallons till reserve, with 4.4 gallons total.  So about 44 mpg if you got 156 miles till reserve.  That's reasonable mileage, but I was thinking the published "64 mpg highway" figure was more attainable - maybe not.

Compared to my Tiger, 44 mpg and 156 miles till the reserve light is doing pretty good, but the reserve can take me over 200 miles if needed.

Thanks for the input.  Definitely food for thought here.

And remember that HD of Frederick has added one to their rental fleet.  No excuses.  Go do a whole weekend test ride.  

[Rincewind]

And remember that HD of Frederick has added one to their rental fleet.  No excuses.  Go do a whole weekend test ride.  

Psh, I don't have that sort of free time to run 4hrs round trip for a rental!  My name isn't kendenton.    

If I went to a Buell, part of the reason would be that I have two dealers within about 20 minutes.  But thanks for the heads up anyway!

[vulcanbill]

For some reason, I thought you were local-er than that.  Maybe other dealers will catch on and add one to their fleets.  Dealer guy says it's out all the time.  

[Rincewind]

For some reason, I thought you were local-er than that.  Maybe other dealers will catch on and add one to their fleets.  Dealer guy says it's out all the time.  

Oh I forgot to put my location back on my profile again - fixed.  

I have had success taking test rides at local dealers - rode the Uly first 3-years ago, then rode an 08 last year, followed by a used 06 model with 24k on it.  After testing three different bikes, I still didn't gel with the Uly - maybe I should give up on it, but I still keep it in mind as a possible next bike.  And all these positive reviews, plus the expected very low maintenance costs, keeps it on the radar for me.

[Yankee Dog]

Engine wise if you compare the Uly to your 1050 Tiger the Uly is going to come up short. It just doesnt have the HP.   I really wanted a Tiger, but the stock luggage is small and the high passenger seat does not lend itself to 2up riding, of which I do a lot and the Uly will be my primary 2up ride.  If I was looking for a solo bike I am not sure I would have ended up with the Buell.  Although I have to say that low center of mass thing really seems to make a difference and I am not unhappy.  

Yankee Dog

 

[vulcanbill]

Any and all reservations I had about the motor went away after our recent trip.  I was flogging a Bandit 1200S on the dragon and 28 and the parkway and that Uly was there.  I tried to lose him on the dragon and could not.  The Bandit is no slouch when pushed and he was just there the whole time.  AND he seemed to have more ground clearance too based on the killboy pics.  

[scottzilla]

Any and all reservations I had about the motor went away after our recent trip.  I was flogging a Bandit 1200S on the dragon and 28 and the parkway and that Uly was there.  I tried to lose him on the dragon and could not.  The Bandit is no slouch when pushed and he was just there the whole time.  AND he seemed to have more ground clearance too based on the killboy pics.  

I really think Buell has the ground clearance thing worked out.  I swear, My XB9SX has unlimited lean angle!  I keep leaning and leaning...  I think the only way to touch hard parts down is to crash the thing.

[Squidbuzz]

In regards to fuel mileage, everyone says that the motor doesn't really get broken in until 10K miles.  So your best mileage is still yet to come if you haven't gotten that many miles on it.

[Fourstring]

Anyone here have a take on the new Uly short?  It's a little more street biased and looks like it would make a sweet ST.

The Uly tall is the only bike on the planet I can't flatfoot, but the street version looks like a great solution.

[Rincewind]

Anyone here have a take on the new Uly short?  It's a little more street biased and looks like it would make a sweet ST.

The Uly tall is the only bike on the planet I can't flatfoot, but the street version looks like a great solution.

That's what this whole thread is about - the XB12XT is the Uly short model.  

[vulcanbill]

In regards to fuel mileage, everyone says that the motor doesn't really get broken in until 10K miles.  So your best mileage is still yet to come if you haven't gotten that many miles on it.

Jon is under 3k and was getting 50 on the way back from our trip.  Not being particularly nice to it either so I'm sure there is more to come mileage wise.  I rode it around the other day for a couple hours and it is definitely plenty powerful.  It came up on the 1-2 shift and the 2-3 shift.  That heavy flywheel takes some getting used to.  If you don't come off the throttle between shifts and just blip the clutch, you'll get a surprise.  

[Fourstring]

That's what this whole thread is about - the XB12XT is the Uly short model.  

D'oh.  Sorry, can't discern all the FHGLSBBQ models Buell/Harley puts out.  

Test rode one yesterday, though.

[vulcanbill]

D'oh.  Sorry, can't discern all the FHGLSBBQ models Buell/Harley puts out.  

Test rode one yesterday, though.

Yeah...and?

[Kootenanny]

A couple of comments that may be relevant here.  I just got back from a Triumph/Ducati "demo day," and it was an interesting experience.  I rode over with a buddy (the dealer is a good 5 hours away, by our route--over some great twisty rural highways and backroads), and the first thing: my Buell got consistently better mileage than his VFR (I burned about the 2/3 the fuel he did, running the exact same distances and speeds).  Oh, and don't worry, a competent rider on a Buell will have no trouble "keeping up," even to riders on bikes with higher horsepower ratings.

Once we got to the demo, we rode various bikes all afternoon.  We both loved the Triumph Speed Triple and Street Triple R (with a slight nod to the Street), but I found that I preferred the engine in the Ducati 696 to the Triumph 675, due to the more "alive" feel, which is closer to my Buell.  My buddy felt the opposite, preferring the Triumph triple, which feels more like his VFR.  Otherwise, the two bikes are quite comparable (although the overall nod might have to go to the Triumph, which just has a slightly better look and overall fit in our opinion, although I do prefer that Ducati "vibe").

Met a guy there as we were leaving, picking up his Tiger from the shop (they'd tweaked it a bit on the dyno for him)--he came over to talk to us, because he used to own both a Firebolt and a VFR.  He was very complimentary about the Buell, and said he only sold it because he found it a bit cramped on long rides (he's about to head to Laguna Seca from BC)--he was interested in my Buell "Custom" seat, which he hadn't known was available (thicker, denser foam).  He'd found the VFR to be almost too "competent," to the point he found it almost boring to ride, but he loved the Tiger, as it fit him better than the Buell but still had lots of character.  

I don't think you'd go wrong with either the Buell or the Triumph.

[Rincewind]

I don't think you'd go wrong with either the Buell or the Triumph.

Except that the Buell will theoretically cost less money/time to maintain.

[Kootenanny]

Except that the Buell will theoretically cost less money/time to maintain.

I can't imagine Triumphs are much more difficult to maintain, though, or any less reliable.  Sure, I don't have to check or adjust the valves, but a Triumph isn't going to have a primary drive chain to be adjusted (is it?).  Otherwise, Im sure they're much the same.

[Rincewind]

I can't imagine Triumphs are much more difficult to maintain, though, or any less reliable.  Sure, I don't have to check or adjust the valves, but a Triumph isn't going to have a primary drive chain to be adjusted (is it?).  Otherwise, Im sure they're much the same.

Is primary chain adjustment an expensive service if performed at a shop?  At what interval?  Sorry I'm not that familiar with the engines.  I'm not aware of this service on the Triumphs.

[Mastros2]

Rincewind,
It takes 15 minutes to check the primary chain accurately and a little longer if you have to adjust it.  An easy job when doing an oil change.  

[Kootenanny]

Rincewind,
It takes 15 minutes to check the primary chain accurately and a little longer if you have to adjust it.  An easy job when doing an oil change.  

Shhhhh...

Actually, I check the primary chain maybe once a year, if the engine seems to vibrate too much--primary adjustment seems to fix that.  It doesn't take long to do, but you do have to remove a small inspection port from the primary side cover, which needs a new gasket when re-installing...  Keep in mind, the transmission, primary, and clutch all use one oil sump, which is different from the engine oil sump (it is a dry sump engine).

[Rincewind]

Rincewind,
It takes 15 minutes to check the primary chain accurately and a little longer if you have to adjust it.  An easy job when doing an oil change.  

So it really doesn't compare to checking the valves on a Triumph, like Kootenay was implying.  Valve checks are 3-4 hour job on a completely cold engine, which means a few hundred dollars and an overnight stay at the dealer, unless you can do them yourself.  

It sounds like Buells can be very easily self-maintained - what job on a Buell is hard enough that the dealer's are usually asked to do it?  As I understand it, even the throttle sensor adjustments can be adjusted via the bike on the newer models.

[Fourstring]

Yeah...and?

Sorry, was heading out the door when I posted last.

I liked a lot about it.  The belt drive and torque were highlights (smooth when rolling), as were the seating position and handling.  It was probably the best stock saddle I've ever tried; wide and flat in the back with a nice scoop in front for crawling on the tank.

Three deal killers for me-
1.  It shakes bad at idle.  During the test ride, the left mirror broke loose and rotated like a searchlight at stops.  Since half my commute is staring at the car in front of me 5-10 mph, my wrists wouldn't be able to take the abuse.

2.  No revs.  Yes, I know it's a torquey engine and you don't need a lot of rev.  I'm not an aggressive rider at all and I've never redlined any bike I've owned.  However, I hit the rev limiter a half dozen times on a ten mile test ride, partly because I wasn't expecting to see it so soon, partly because...

3.  The best clutch I've seen on a bike was paired with the worst transmission.  It was clunkier, stickier, and more deliberate than my '91 Conc with the star spring busted off.  I must have missed ten shifts, one per mile.  When I did finally get it in the next gear, I wasn't actually expecting it to shift and I'd pull a bobblehead as the bike surges forward.

Lots to recommend the bike, and I'm still considering one.  But I'd have to figure out those issues (for me) first.  I'd also have to say that Zylstra Harley has a fantastic dealer experience, they completely turned around how I'm usually treated at a Harley shop.  If I do buy the bike, it'll be from them.

[vulcanbill]

See who has one as a rental.  Take it out for a day.  See which of those things disappears after a while the deal with what's left.  I thought the vibes would be a deal killer for me but after being on it for a bit, that just didn't register any more.  The clunky transmission took some getting used to as well but wasn't a deal breaker either.  I would just adjust the shifter up a tad.  You might be surprised with what's left after you just get used to some stuff.  The ergos are amazing, the torque rocks, the handling is superior and the suspension is wonderful.  I might try to work around the rest.  Ever ride an ST1300?  Only a few more revs than the XT if I recall.  I'm no salesman but I'm impressed with the overall package.  

[scottzilla]

Sorry, was heading out the door when I posted last.

I liked a lot about it.  The belt drive and torque were highlights (smooth when rolling), as were the seating position and handling.  It was probably the best stock saddle I've ever tried; wide and flat in the back with a nice scoop in front for crawling on the tank.

Three deal killers for me-
1.  It shakes bad at idle.  During the test ride, the left mirror broke loose and rotated like a searchlight at stops.  Since half my commute is staring at the car in front of me 5-10 mph, my wrists wouldn't be able to take the abuse.

2.  No revs.  Yes, I know it's a torquey engine and you don't need a lot of rev.  I'm not an aggressive rider at all and I've never redlined any bike I've owned.  However, I hit the rev limiter a half dozen times on a ten mile test ride, partly because I wasn't expecting to see it so soon, partly because...

3.  The best clutch I've seen on a bike was paired with the worst transmission.  It was clunkier, stickier, and more deliberate than my '91 Conc with the star spring busted off.  I must have missed ten shifts, one per mile.  When I did finally get it in the next gear, I wasn't actually expecting it to shift and I'd pull a bobblehead as the bike surges forward.

Lots to recommend the bike, and I'm still considering one.  But I'd have to figure out those issues (for me) first.  I'd also have to say that Zylstra Harley has a fantastic dealer experience, they completely turned around how I'm usually treated at a Harley shop.  If I do buy the bike, it'll be from them.

You need to ride it like it's a Buell, not a jap bike.  Believe me, I am used to I4's and having roadraced, got used to high revs.  The Buell is different; you need to ride the waves of torque.  I never hit the limiter on my bike.  You need to open the throttle, not just coax it like on a big displacement I4.
I'm sure you noticed the bikes smooths out once you get going.  The shaking never bothered me but to each is own.
I have nothing to say about things breaking, etc.  I have not had a single problem with mine.
The gearbox is a bit clunky and I still miss the occasional shift but again, you get used to shifting it in time.  It goes hand in hand with it being different than a jap bike, IMO.

[Kootenanny]

Three deal killers for me-
1.  It shakes bad at idle.  During the test ride, the left mirror broke loose and rotated like a searchlight at stops.  Since half my commute is staring at the car in front of me 5-10 mph, my wrists wouldn't be able to take the abuse.

2.  No revs.  Yes, I know it's a torquey engine and you don't need a lot of rev.  I'm not an aggressive rider at all and I've never redlined any bike I've owned.  However, I hit the rev limiter a half dozen times on a ten mile test ride, partly because I wasn't expecting to see it so soon, partly because...

3.  The best clutch I've seen on a bike was paired with the worst transmission.  It was clunkier, stickier, and more deliberate than my '91 Conc with the star spring busted off.  I must have missed ten shifts, one per mile.  When I did finally get it in the next gear, I wasn't actually expecting it to shift and I'd pull a bobblehead as the bike surges forward.

OK, I ride a Firebolt, not a Uly, but...I'd suggest the concerns you note would be even more negative on a sportbike like the Firebolt.  And they just aren't a problem.

Vibes at idle.  Yeah, it shakes at idle.  Not nearly as much as many people make it out to, but it does.  Not an issue for me--I seldom sit at idle!  (And when I do have to sit in traffic, the bothersome thing is the clutch pull--mine is an older Buell with the harder pull clutch--not the vibes at idle.)

When I first got the Buell, I hit the rev limiter several times.  Once I got used to it, learned how to "ride it like a Buell" as Scottzilla says, that became a non-issue.  On the other hand, riding a set of tight twisties with very few shifts--just rolling the throttle on and off, riding the torque wave--is an addictive experience, and worth trading off the high-end rush of an I4, at least for me.  A Buell will carry a lot of momentum through the corners; you can ride fast through the twisties with hardly any braking (maybe that's just me, but the Buell suits that riding style well).  

Once again, my 'Bolt is an older one--2003--and it has the older, supposedly clunkier transmission.  And I ride it like the sportbike it is.  Yet, I can't remember ever missing a shift.  Yes, the Triumphs and Ducatis I recently demo'd have easier shifting trannies, but...maybe again, it's just a matter of getting used to it, but the Buell transmission works just fine.  I think of it as being "deliberate"--you simply have to shift with authority (actually, that describes the whole Buell riding experience--the bike will do anything you want, and do it well, but you must tell the bike what you want it to do).

Others have recommended you rent a Buell for a weekend.  I'd second that, as it does take a bit of time to adjust to the Buell's uniqueness (which is one reason I think so many reviews, especially early reviews, were so negative--you take someone used to super-smooth I4s and plunk them on a Buell for an hour, they may not have time to adjust their riding style to the Buell's requirements).

[Fourstring]

Good points, all.

I would certainly say that everything felt durable.  I would also absolutely say that Buells feel quite a bit different than a Japanese I4 (duh).

The motor smoothes out very well once it's past 2k.  Once underway, the handling and cornering are nice.  I could certainly get used to short shifting.  Unfortunately, I do spend quite a bit of time at idle, since I live and commute in Chicago.

Maybe it was a setup error for just that bike, maybe it's me not being used to Buell.  But I still thought the shifter sucked.

[Kootenanny]

...I live and commute in Chicago.

Well, there's the problem, ain't it?  Ya gotta fix that first!

[Mastros2]

So it really doesn't compare to checking the valves on a Triumph, like Kootenay was implying.  Valve checks are 3-4 hour job on a completely cold engine, which means a few hundred dollars and an overnight stay at the dealer, unless you can do them yourself.  

It sounds like Buells can be very easily self-maintained - what job on a Buell is hard enough that the dealer's are usually asked to do it?  As I understand it, even the throttle sensor adjustments can be adjusted via the bike on the newer models.

Rince, I'll take it in for the tps reset and belt since I don't have a stand made up yet (you can use the muffler as a jack point) or the usb cable.  Even if you purchased a 07 and older, you can buy the usb to ecm port cable and do the tps resets yourself.  It is a very easy bike to maintain.  

[Mastros2]

I agree with Scott and Koot.  The Buell is a different bike.  For me, it's the best commuting bike on the market.  Minimal shifts, great on gas and now with the Uly's ergos, this bike is a long distance tourer.  I have the X but demo-ed the XT last June.  Either one is a great sport-tourer.  The only reason I purchased the X was the price that I couldn't say no to.  

Out of all of the vehicles I've owned in my life, this is the first time I purchased back-to-back vehicles from the same manufacturer.  This is saying a lot since I own a tuber as well which is a lot different than the newer XB's. I have 40k miles on the tuber and have no problems riding that bike to 100k (and trust that it will be reliable as well).

Even if you can't rent one for the whole weekend, rent one for the day.  Ride your daily commute, your fun roads and test it out.  You will be happy!

[scottzilla]

I think the Buell XB line is very underated.  You get a lot of bike for the money.

[whodom]

Rince, I'll take it in for the tps reset and belt since I don't have a stand made up yet (you can use the muffler as a jack point) or the usb cable.  Even if you purchased a 07 and older, you can buy the usb to ecm port cable and do the tps resets yourself.  It is a very easy bike to maintain.  

Mastros- you don't have to jack it up to change the belt, which is nice should you have to replace it on the road.  

Remove the belt guards, loosen the axle pinch bolt, and back the axle out ~20 turns until the tapered portion of the axle backs out of the wheel.  This slackens the belt.  Remove the removable swing arm section (it may also help to remove the passenger peg bracket to give clearance to work) and slip the belt right off.  Install is reverse of removal.  Note that the new belt will be significantly tighter than your old one until it gets some miles on it.  

[Rincewind]

Mastros- you don't have to jack it up to change the belt, which is nice should you have to replace it on the road.  

Remove the belt guards, loosen the axle pinch bolt, and back the axle out ~20 turns until the tapered portion of the axle backs out of the wheel.  This slackens the belt.  Remove the removable swing arm section (it may also help to remove the passenger peg bracket to give clearance to work) and slip the belt right off.  Install is reverse of removal.  Note that the new belt will be significantly tighter than your old one until it gets some miles on it.  

I heard the newer belts are "lifetime" rated.  Is there an average actual lifespan, and what's general cost on a new one?  Replacement doesn't seem like too hard of a task.

[scottzilla]

I heard the newer belts are "lifetime" rated.  Is there an average actual lifespan, and what's general cost on a new one?  Replacement doesn't seem like too hard of a task.

New models have lifetime belts (I think this started in '07).  Belt replacement is pretty easy.  I've never done it personally but you're halfway there just doing a rear tire change.

[Kootenanny]

Remove the belt guards, loosen the axle pinch bolt, and back the axle out ~20 turns until the tapered portion of the axle backs out of the wheel.  This slackens the belt.  Remove the removable swing arm section (it may also help to remove the passenger peg bracket to give clearance to work) and slip the belt right off.  

I remove my belt every time I remove the rear wheel for a tire change.  It's a wee bit more complex than this.

On my bike anyway, the belt guard is a pain (mine is an 03, I think the more recent bikes have a less elaborate guard).  Remember to always turn out the axle until the belt tension is relieved (at least 15 turns) before removing the swingarm brace.  You also have to remove the front drive pulley cover, which necessitates removing a few fairing screws from the chin fairing.  I always remove the belt idler wheel (2 nuts) and the right side footpeg bracket (3 screws).  When all this is removed, the belt is completely free and easily slides straight off to the side.  It's a bit of work, but goes quickly with practice.

[Bueller]

I think you need to take off the idler always, and remove the rear brake caliper before loosening off the axle.  I take the pinch bolt right out and put it in a tray with the rest of the bits.  If I leave it in just loose I'm concerned that I mightn't tighten it when I'm finished.

It would be a difficult roadside repair.  It took me more than a hour to change mine, in the shed with the tools and trolley jack.  I've seen a single sided swing arm stand for $40 that I'm tempted to buy.  It is small enough to go in the luggage, and lifts the rear in opposition to the side stand.  It is designed for wheel and belt changes.

I like the belt, but a chain is a lot easier to change, and easier to come by.

Lifetime belt is a bit of a worry.  Means my bike's end of life was 24,000 km; the bike was 1 year old and they wouldn't give me a new one. I've since seen that the rear pulley was scored by a stone going around.

It isn't a guarantee.  The belt is designed to last the life of the bike, that's all.  Kootenany, how many belts have you been through.  Just from what I've seen, they seem to last better that the 2004-2005 belts, I know a couple of 2003 riders who still have the original belt.

[whodom]

I think you need to take off the idler always, and remove the rear brake caliper before loosening off the axle.  I take the pinch bolt right out and put it in a tray with the rest of the bits.  If I leave it in just loose I'm concerned that I mightn't tighten it when I'm finished.

It would be a difficult roadside repair.  It took me more than a hour to change mine, in the shed with the tools and trolley jack.  I've seen a single sided swing arm stand for $40 that I'm tempted to buy.  It is small enough to go in the luggage, and lifts the rear in opposition to the side stand.  It is designed for wheel and belt changes.

The shop manual says remove the idler pulley but it is not necessary.  You don't have to remove the brake caliper either if you aren't removing the wheel.  It's a hard job the first time (some of the fasteners tend to have a LOT of Locktite on them) but it's easier once you've been through it.  It's definitely practical if you're stuck in BFE or 20 miles down some forest service road with a broken belt.  

A lot of people replace the belt at the first sign of wear, then save that one for a spare.  A used belt (which is slightly stretched) is significantly easier to install than a factory fresh one.  

Note the original 06 Uly belt was described as a "lifetime" belt (no recommended replacement interval) but in 08 they came out with an updated version which supposedly incorporated improvements developed as a result of the development of the belt for the 1125R.  I don't believe I've read of one of the latest belts breaking yet, at least not on a Uly.

[scottzilla]

I remove my belt every time I remove the rear wheel for a tire change.  It's a wee bit more complex than this.

On my bike anyway, the belt guard is a pain (mine is an 03, I think the more recent bikes have a less elaborate guard).  Remember to always turn out the axle until the belt tension is relieved (at least 15 turns) before removing the swingarm brace.  You also have to remove the front drive pulley cover, which necessitates removing a few fairing screws from the chin fairing.  I always remove the belt idler wheel (2 nuts) and the right side footpeg bracket (3 screws).  When all this is removed, the belt is completely free and easily slides straight off to the side.  It's a bit of work, but goes quickly with practice.

My belt does not loosen until the axle is completely removed from the rear wheel.  It remained tight throughout the process.  

[Kootenanny]

Kootenany, how many belts have you been through.  Just from what I've seen, they seem to last better that the 2004-2005 belts, I know a couple of 2003 riders who still have the original belt.

I'm another one--34K km, still on the original belt (mind you, I've only had the front end up a few times, although I do practice stoppies).  Met a guy recently who had warm memories of his 03 "Bolt, except, of course, for the one time his belt broke...he was amazed that I haven't had to replace mine yet.  It still looks good, but I do intend to replace it one of these days (I'll keep the current belt as a spare).

And yes, my belt is the ORIGINAL part #, not the updated 03 belt that was supposed to be stronger (although that's probably what I'll replace it with).

Scott, due to the axle design, the belt MUST loosen when you back out the axle sufficiently.  But no, it doesn't loosen completely...which is why I always remove the idler pulley.  It's only 2 nuts, and it makes the job a lot easier (and means you don't have to bend or stress the belt at all...which is possibly why my belt has lasted so long, I'm very careful with it--although I do live along a dirt road).

[Rogue]

It would be a difficult roadside repair.  It took me more than a hour to change mine, in the shed with the tools and trolley jack.  I've seen a single sided swing arm stand for $40 that I'm tempted to buy.  It is small enough to go in the luggage, and lifts the rear in opposition to the side stand.  It is designed for wheel and belt changes.

I like the belt, but a chain is a lot easier to change, and easier to come by.

What was so difficult about replacing the belt?  The swing arm has a removable piece that allows you to just slide the belt in place.  Chains require a chain breaker, and a master link riveting tool.  Then it is messier than shit!  

No issues with my belt at 22k miles.

[Oilhed]

Chains require a chain breaker, and a master link riveting tool.  Then it is messier than shit!  

They do?

[Rogue]

They do?

I've changed several chain and sprockets.  Yes they do.  

Well, you can create a makeshift tool but why make it hard on yourself?

[Oilhed]

I've changed several chain and sprockets.  Yes they do.  

Haven't done one yet on the Ducati but I can't see why you would need to.

[Bueller]

My Laverdas all had joining links.  One link with a clip instead of a plate.  Changing a chain was just removing the link from the old chain.  putting the pin through into the new chain and winding it through.  The wheel and brake neded to loose to get slack in the chain.

To be fair though, when I changed a chain I usually changed the sprokets as well, but I had a centre stand and it was all pretty easy.

I find the belt more difficult and it takes longer.

I prefer the belt.

[whodom]

From what I've seen on advrider, ALL currently produced motorcycles with chain drive (with the possible exception of some of the Chinese stuff) use riveted master links.  The chain HAS to be disassembled with a chain breaker (or file or Dremel tool or what have you) for removal and they recommend that the new chain be installed with a riveted master link.  Some people still use the clip style master links, but add safety wire to make them more secure.  

[Rogue]

What Whodom said.

I have changed several chain/sprockets already.

The first one I used a clip link and that came off on the first ride.  NEVER AGAIN!  From then on I used nothing by rivet links.  There is no excuse not to use this as it is way superior to the clip link.  Your life isn't worth the price of having a Rivetting Tool.

So yes.  You need the Chain Breaker to break the stock chain and/or adjust the length of your new chain.  Yes you need the Rivetting Tool to connect the chain using a Rivet Link and make it "endless".  It would also be nice to have a breaker bar to "break" the countershaft sprocket loose (it gets red loctite from the factory and it is tight!).  But there are numerous other redneck ways to do that job.

Forget about that Clip Link.  It's not worth the risk and it is false economy.

[Oilhed]

Looked at the ducati again.  Can't see why I'd need to break a bead.  Duh!  Am I just thickheaded?

[whodom]

How are you going going to get the chain off?  The chain goes through the frame and/or swingarm at some point, and the chain is a continuous loop.  The chain has to be parted in order to get it off the bike.  

Buell gets around this with their belt drives by putting a removable section in the swingarm.  That allows the belt to be installed or removed.  

[Oilhed]

How are you going going to get the chain off?  The chain goes through the frame and/or swingarm at some point, and the chain is a continuous loop.  The chain has to be parted in order to get it off the bike.  

Nope, just looked for a third time.  Swingarm is one piece, no brace.  The motor hangs from the trellis frame.  The swingarm is mounted to the tranny.  I can see both sprokets and nothing but plastic is blocking the chain.  I'll post a pic next time I lube the chain.

[whodom]

Like this?



Yea, it certainly looks like you can get your chain off without taking it apart.  I guess we can now say MOST motorcycles require you to separate the chain to get it off!

[Rogue]

The chain I needed to break was on the Hayabusa.  The Busa had a massive swingarm with a "brace", which was a loop that went over the top of the swing arm.  The chain went "through" the space between the swing arm and the brace.  That's why I needed to break that chain in half.

If I remember now, my old VFR did not need to have the old chain broken.  So I can see your point in not needing a chain breaker.  

[rauchman]

I'm considering purchasing an XB Buell, particularly the XT.  What is the typical tank range on the bike?

[Yankee Dog]

I have gotten between 150 and 165 miles before the reserve light comes on.

Yankee Dog

[Oilhed]

I'm considering purchasing an XB Buell, particularly the XT.  What is the typical tank range on the bike?

Stop thinking about it, just do it!   I want one but I still love my Ducati.

[Mastros2]

I'm considering purchasing an XB Buell, particularly the XT.  What is the typical tank range on the bike?

For my Uly, the low fuel light comes on approx 160-170miles.  I'm averaging low 50's (51-52mpg) though.

I had the original belt on my tuber for 38k miles.  It didn't break but had it replaced last month. The mechanic said that it was borrowed time!  Haha but still held up!

I say go for it!  The Ulysses is a great bike and the XT may be even better for the long haul. I'm not 100% sure since it seems that my Uly was build for me.  

[oz544]

 i bought some foil backed heat sheet from race car company that blocked off most of the right leg heat.

[whodom]

The new Rider Comfort Kit (~$120 US) pretty much completely eliminates the heat issues:

http://www.buell.com/en_us/gear/accessories/product.asp?Menu_ID=2&ProductLineID=6&CategoryID=3&ProductID=10029

There's also a new ECM flash (2008 & 2009 models only) that changes the way the fan is controlled.  New scheme bases fan operation on cylinder head temperature and bike speed.  Early reports say it is also a great improvement.  Comfort Kit and ECM scheme are standard on 2010 models.

[00buck]

After eight years and riding 90k on two FZ1's, I traded my 05 in today on a racing red 09 XT!! Wow, what a fun bike!  I'm no stranger to Buells, having once owned a new 01 Cyclone M2.  

Only issue is the right leg barbecue, so I'll be looking at the heat shield kit and ECM flash.  Thanks for the tip.  

Also, where can I get a longer front fender? It's way to short to be of any use in our wet coast climate.

[Yankee Dog]

..........................Only issue is the right leg barbecue, so I'll be looking at the heat shield kit and ECM flash. ............................

Wait until the weather cools down a bit before you make your decision.  As the temps start to drop I am finding myself liking the heat the Uly puts out.  

yankee Dog

[Rincewind]

Wait until the weather cools down a bit before you make your decision.  As the temps start to drop I am finding myself liking the heat the Uly puts out.  

yankee Dog

Are you going to get the new heat kit and retrofit it to your bike?

[Squidbuzz]

I bought the Comfort Kit and it is well worth it.  I also have the ECM update.  My fan hardly runs at all any more.  Way cool.

[Yankee Dog]

Are you going to get the new heat kit and retrofit it to your bike?

I may change my mind next summer, but for right now I am not going to get the "comfort" kit.  It really only bothered me when the temps were in the 90s or more.  Now that they are in the low 60s on my ride in every morning the extra heat is no bother.  I think in a couple of months I am going to be downright fond of it.  

Yankee dog

[discochris]

Had my XT for two months. I absolutely love it.
One must-do is the dual hi-beam modification.

[kendenton]

Psh, I don't have that sort of free time to run 4hrs round trip for a rental!  My name isn't kendenton.    

If I went to a Buell, part of the reason would be that I have two dealers within about 20 minutes.  But thanks for the heads up anyway!

Wow, took me 3 months to catch this one  

Here's my thoughts on the rental

[Rincewind]

Wow, took me 3 months to catch this one  

Here's my thoughts on the rental

 

[ninegear]

what mileage dose the uly get

[Brad1445]

what mileage dose the uly get

 one of the best bikes I ever owned never got less than 50mpg and if I was nice could see 65.

[ninegear]

i geuss the uly is gonna be my second buell. but first i need to get that xb12s i have my eye on now lol

[BCinMD]

Just received a quote from a dealer on a new 09' XT - $9995. + tax, tags, blah, blah

Probably a decent price, but not sure that is the 'steal' I was expecting given how steeply the 1125s are being discounted.

[Squidbuzz]

No, that's not much of a discount.  The dealers are getting $5K for selling them, so they can go lower than that.

[Oilhed]

No, that's not much of a discount.  The dealers are getting $5K for selling them, so they can go lower than that.

Thought it was $3000 for XB

[Squidbuzz]

The reason I say that is because there have been a few Uly XT's in the Milwaukee area for about $8,300.00

[Brad1445]

The reason I say that is because there have been a few Uly XT's in the Milwaukee area for about $8,300.00

If they were gassing those like the 1125's I would by one NOW!
Anyone one where there is $5,000 - $6,000 Ulysses?

[malbojah]

If they were gassing those like the 1125's I would by one NOW!
Anyone one where there is $5,000 - $6,000 Ulysses?

Believe me, if I could find one anywhere in the country, I would buy a plane ticket and take the time off work to ride it back. (seriously, I've even been looking at ticket prices to places like Rays in Raleigh, NC or a couple of place in Houston)

[JTM]

The Ad in Houston was $7300 for an XT, but you will have to add all the fees they can think of.  

I bought one anyway.

[steve.m]

I bought the ULY from mancuso too.  you didn't roll out of there today with it did you?  Red truck?  Utility trailer?

LOVE THIS BIKE!!

[malbojah]

The Ad in Houston was $7300 for an XT, but you will have to add all the fees they can think of.  

I bought one anyway.

Yeah, steve.m in another thread said there was almost $600 in extra crap on top of the $7300 price + tax

And is it bad that even though I've come to the conclusion that I won't be able to find a new one in my price range that I'm still calling places and checking badweb and here several times a day?

[steve.m]

Yeah, steve.m in another thread said there was almost $600 in extra crap on top of the $7300 price + tax

And is it bad that even though I've come to the conclusion that I won't be able to find a new one in my price range that I'm still calling places and checking badweb and here several times a day?

Nah, maybe dealers will report the hype to HD who will bring back the brand

[malbojah]

If anybody believes that, then I've got a bridge to sell them for cheap and some bottled unicorn farts to throw in for free

[Bueller]

I'll have the farts is no one else wants them.

[velofishy]

Anybody have anything new to add here?  I've liked the Uly since I demoed one and am interested in hearing how y'all are fairing with the bikes.  Touring or regular model.

fish

[steve.m]

still loving it, although we've gone our separate ways for the summer (work assignment out of state).  did the headlight mod before i left as you may have seen, well worth the 10 minutes and beer it took.

[Yankee Dog]

I have had my XT for about 10,000 miles now.  I will say that the heat issue is not a rumor.  I am heading down to the Harley dealer afterwork to order the comfort kits ($120).   It has also started to run a bit rough and the engine light came on the other day for awhile.  I will let you know what it turns out to be.  

I do like the bike.  It could use a few more ponies. it has 103 IIRC.  But it is light weight (535 with luggage) and it handles like a dream.  It rails throught the corners.  Where my chicken strips with the R1150RT where about a 1/4-1/2 inch before, now they are zero.  The bike truly owns the corners.  

The missus finds the back seat comfortable.  And the luggage is huge.  It is the largest available stock luggage on the market.  Goes on and off easily.  

Yankee Dog

[velofishy]

Thanks guys.  I'd be interested to know what the problem is when you figure it out, Yankeedog.  The lack of maintainence, especially on the ones that automatically reset the TPS, is pretty appealing but I have heard that changing the plugs is a bit of a pain.  

fish

[steve.m]

the comfort kit helps, but not a cure.  maybe go all out ugly and get some thermal pipe wrap on there.  

[Jesse]

Thanks guys.  I'd be interested to know what the problem is when you figure it out, Yankeedog.  The lack of maintainence, especially on the ones that automatically reset the TPS, is pretty appealing but I have heard that changing the plugs is a bit of a pain.  

fish

Hey John,

I'm loving mine, but it's an X not an XT. Be happy to hook up with you if you want to reacquaint yourself with the feel of the Uly. The X is taller than I remember it from that day we did the test ride at Cerinis (RIP) but it's not a problem if you plan ahead in the situations for which you can plan ahead   Haven't changed plugs yet but most bikes are going to be a pain after the gootsie.

Jesse

[velofishy]

Oh hell, I couldn't keep up with you on the slow bikes, Jesse,    Looks like you're getting quite the stable there.  I'm jealous.

We'll have to see if we can go for a ride sometime this summer, but it's been another crazy one here.  That test ride is what keeps me thinking that I should pick up a Uly one of these days.  I'm going to keep an eye out for an '08 or '09 with bags.  I'm curious to see what continues to happen with the prices.  

fish

[vulcanbill]

http://frederick.craigslist.org/mcy/1774641154.html

[Oilhed]

http://frederick.craigslist.org/mcy/1774641154.html

Damn!  I wish I could right now.  Frederick, MD?

[vulcanbill]

Yep.  That would be here.  Kinda equidistance from Balt and DC in a northerly direction.  Just below the PA border.  Not far from 95.  

[steve.m]

i wonder what he wants for the black plastics...now that i've bought blue gear  

[Jesse]

..Looks like you're getting quite the stable there.  I'm jealous.

We'll have to see if we can go for a ride sometime this summer, but it's been another crazy one here.  That test ride is what keeps me thinking that I should pick up a Uly one of these days.  I'm going to keep an eye out for an '08 or '09 with bags.  I'm curious to see what continues to happen with the prices.  

Agree, definitely have to try to get a ride together.

Going to be getting rid of the sv...any day now... As for prices, my guess is that low mileage used ones are going to be few and far between and they'll have (possibly very) high resale value.  How long the craigslist bike that was posted will give us one data point (it looks like a good deal). My sense is that most Uly owners rack up the miles and that resale prices will be okay but nothing special - I bought mine to ride so I could care less about resale.  Picking up one of the few remaining XTs from a dealer is still a good buy if you want the bike.  

Jesse