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*%&$# Oil Filter!!
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May 21, 2009, 04:21:16 AM »
So literally hours before I'm due to bug out on a 10-day trip, I decide just to be on the safe side to change the oil on my FZ1 last night -- and find that the K&N oil filter is stuck on there like it's welded.
(To answer any obvious questions I did do the previous oil change, I did coat the gasket with oil, the filter spun on easily so it's not cross-threaded, I didn't overtighten it, and I know rightytightyleftyloosey.)
Initial use of a six-point 17mm socket wrench on the filter's handy 'nut' served only to round off the filter's otherwise handy 'nut'. And the presence of said 'nut' makes it impossible to get either a spider-type or cup-type oil filter wrench firmly onto the end of the filter. So, even the Plan B 'sandpaper in the cup wrench' trick is out.
Plan C was a swivel handled, steel-strap type oil filter wrench. Anyone with an FZ1 knows there's barely enough room in, around or to that damned oil filter to swing a cat, so I had to unbolt and move aside
(but not remove entirely
) the radiator, then unbolt and remove the aftermarket engine guard bars to get the wrench's handle out to the left side where some leverage could be brought to bear. Still no go - simply not enough clearance between the filter, exhaust pipes, frame downtube and various engine mount bolts to get the wrench tight around the filter
and
turn the handle.
Plan D was to try channel lock pliers. With longer handles than the swivel-handled oil filter wrench I had slightly more room to turn, but the filter again didn't budge, and instead started to deform.
Plan E (
bad plan in hindsight
) was to try the old standby of whacking a screwdriver through the filter and twisting - nope; the filter didn't turn a millimeter and the screwdriver simply started tearing the thin metal of the filter's outer shell. Even a liberal pre-spritzing of PB Blaster at the base failed to budge it.
Plan F was to take a chisel and hammer and attack the filter at its base. Still nada - now I've got even more holes in the filter. Tired and pissed, I checked my wristwatch (9:45) and decided to withdraw for the night.
Plan G (
for later today, and I haven't even started packing yet
) is to get a
fabric
-type strap wrench, respritz the base with PB Blaster and let it soak, then pray I've got enough good metal left on the damned thing to get some grip on it with a ratchet wrench and extension.
Failing that, Plan H (
as in the
Hell
with it
) will be to take the Strom instead and deal with it on my return.
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*%&$# Oil Filter!!
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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May 21, 2009, 04:57:25 AM »
Man that bites. Maybe tap it with a hammer to loosen the threads.
Have a good trip!
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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May 21, 2009, 06:36:30 AM »
try this...instead of putting oil on the gasket, put dilectric grease on it instead. it wont 'tighten up' over time and makes it alot easier to get off next time around. if that trick is good enough for airplanes, its good enough for me!
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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Cold engine?Try warming it up and wearing gloves.
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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Quote from: thatguy on May 21, 2009, 06:37:33 AM
Cold engine?Try warming it up and wearing gloves.
Did you ever actually do that?
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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Quote from: thatguy on May 21, 2009, 06:37:33 AM
Cold engine?Try warming it up and wearing gloves.
I would imagine that with all those holes in the filter there is probably not much oil in the engine right now.
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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Quote from: cgsshorty on May 21, 2009, 06:44:05 AM
I would imagine that with all those holes in the filter there is probably not much oil in the engine right now.
Correctamundo.
I do however have a heat gun (
preferable to a propane torch
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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May 21, 2009, 07:21:28 AM »
I feel your pain. The azho that adjusted the valves on my 250 last (not me) tightened the nuts so tight I literally had to take a hammer to the socket wrench to loosen them! I was scared of rounding off the nuts and having to take the whole damn top end apart to replace it all, but thankfully I didn't have to.
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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May 21, 2009, 07:28:17 AM »
Wow...what a bummer. I don't have any suggestions, but here's wishin' you and Redfox a great trip.
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Quote from: county on May 21, 2009, 06:41:22 AM
Did you ever actually do that?
Yes I do that all the time.Why do you seem to find that so incredulous?
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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Quote from: tjhess74 on May 21, 2009, 06:36:30 AM
try this...instead of putting oil on the gasket, put dilectric grease on it instead. it wont 'tighten up' over time and makes it alot easier to get off next time around. if that trick is good enough for airplanes, its good enough for me!
Yup, a little DC4 works wonders!!! Just don't use it internally, or an anything fuel related. Trust me!!
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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May 21, 2009, 08:34:21 AM »
go back to plan D or E. Dont worry if it deforms or tears. Once it tears bad enough to grip a torn edge with the plyers, get a good grip and start twising. as the metal twists inward it will pull away from the treads and loosen up. not a great way to get the job done but you are running out of options.
And speaking of options, I hear those wee Stroms make a fine touring machine.
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Quote from: thatguy on May 21, 2009, 07:47:20 AM
Yes I do that all the time.Why do you seem to find that so incredulous?
There was no "incredulous" smiley, I was just curious.
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Victory is mine!!!
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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May 21, 2009, 12:00:15 PM »
FYI for future - they make special oil filter channel-locks that have big arc-chaped pointy claws like scorpions. Those seem to be the consensus last-ditch tool of choice. I myself prefer the tool I bought, which has the same big arc-shaped point claws attached to a vise-grip handle. You don't have to have much access, and you can use the crush-release-tighten-crush approach to get as tight a grip on the filter as the material will support.
In your case with a trip imminent, I would have given up before damaging the filter and settled for an oil change.
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Quote from: kevin_stevens on May 21, 2009, 12:00:15 PM
In your case with a trip imminent, I would have given up before damaging the filter and settled for an oil change.
Not how I roll. I'd chase it 'round the moons of Nibia and 'round the Antares Maelstrom and 'round perdition's flame before I give it up!
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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Seriously though - if I hadn't had another bike to choose from, I woulda left it be.
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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Quote from: Scratch33 on May 21, 2009, 12:03:08 PM
Not how I roll. I'd chase it 'round the moons of Nibia and 'round the Antares Maelstrom and 'round perdition's flame before I give it up!
Ok, that's at least a third-hand quote from 'Moby Dick'. Show a little contrition!
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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Quote from: Scratch33 on May 21, 2009, 11:45:25 AM
Victory is mine!!!
You beat it real good there.
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Re: *%&$# Oil Filter!!
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Quote from: kevin_stevens on May 21, 2009, 12:05:36 PM
Ok, that's at least a third-hand quote from 'Moby Dick'. Show a little contrition!
KeS
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