2007 Bandit 1250S - Reborn

[gritsngravy]

 

Pretty nice write up.   It seems Suzuki has addressed many if not all complaints about the previous generation Bandits.   It's now smoother, handles better and contrary to popular belief has changed more than it looks.  Read:  

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1&xml=/motoring/2007/02/03/nosplit/mfbikesuz03.xml

[Jetpilot5]

Thanks!  I've been looking for some tests on that bike.  

[Stormer]

Thanks!  I've been looking for some tests on that bike.  

Me Too!!!
Thank's again my friend.

[MinnGreenGT]

Nice review!    I just saw the new model at the Chicago cycle show, but it was sitting oddly in the middle of the display without any fanfare or markings whatsoever... I nearly missed it at first!

[gritsngravy]

As much as I appreciate standard type machinery I've been lured into the wicked world of ss bikes.   This thing is gonna be different.

[xsrider]

Thanks for posting the link.  The review sounds good.  I saw the 1250 Bandit at the San Mateo Motorcycle show and really liked it.  I am seriously considering the 1250 Bandit ABS as my next bike.

[Jeff N]

Thanks for the link. It's nice to read that Suzuki have finally updated the old girl. I've a 2001 B12S with warranteed pistons (I probably got one of the very first corrections thanks to a caring Suzuki service manager who went to the Vegas Dealer's convention and confronted Suzuki with the smoking problem), upgraded front end (Progressive suspension springs, 3/4" shimming, and tubes raised 10mm in the yokes), and steel braided lines for the front brakes. I love the bike. Doubt I'd upgrade to the new 1250 because of what I've got now. Next bike will be something completely different because, yanno, variety is the spice of life.

[sweeney todd]

Changed my view on this one.  The new motor is apparently considerably stronger in mid range over the old machine (itself no slouch in that area), has a slightly longer swinging arm and handles better.  Most importantly it's gonna list at only £250 more than the old girl here in the UK which will still make it much cheaper than the CBFthou, another good bike in the same vein that stole the old girls thunder.

[Baz]

Changed my view on this one.  The new motor is apparently considerably stronger in mid range over the old machine (itself no slouch in that area), has a slightly longer swinging arm and handles better.  Most importantly it's gonna list at only £250 more than the old girl here in the UK which will still make it much cheaper than the CBFthou, another good bike in the same vein that stole the old girls thunder.

It is growing on me also. I was disapointed when it first came out as I thought Suzuki could have done better (and they could have). The new Bandito is ok, but I don't know if I would buy one. In Canada here they are retailing over 10 grand, which places you very close to many much more modern bikes.

[JamesG]

I wonder if Corbin's previous Generation Bandit Beetle Bags will fit on this new one?

As overweight and under suspended as this new bandito is, I'm thinkin' about it...

[sgoat]

Today, my best friend of 40 years just traded in his FZ-6 on a brand new 1250 Bandit. It came in Tues. and they rolled it out on the floor this a.m. He was there 2 hours after they opened, took it for a test ride, and bought it on the spot. He picks it up tomorrow and I'm sure won't sleep well tonite! We went to the Cycle World show in Phoenix last November and he saw it there. It was love at first sight. It's been a long wait for him but I told him that I waited longer than that for my first (03') FJR. Made him feel better..........

[JamesG]

Cool.  If they have them in New Mexico now, they should get to Georgia sometime next...

[CLAY]

Pretty big write-up in "Motorcyclist" rag that just came in the mail.  They seem very impressed.

[Thor]

79 ft lbs at 3,500 rpms!  Six gears!  Wow, someone is making a real world bike that isn't an anemic piece of crap or a high maintenance nightmare!

[ToadRide]

Wonder if those six gears will fit into my five gear housing. Like the stats. Just don't like the look. On the motor, I mean. The body is pretty well identical to mine.

[Fudge]

Looks like a modern FJ, I like it.

[JamesG]

Wonder if those six gears will fit into my five gear housing. Like the stats. Just don't like the look. On the motor, I mean. The body is pretty well identical to mine.

No the engine cases are completely different.

[Bubwheat]

Called Chicago Cycle yesterday, they don't have any in stock and didn't know when the first one will be there. Which sucks BTW.  

[CLAY]

I was at the local dealer in Grand Rapids, MI yesterday.  1 on the floor (black), 2 more in stock at the wharehouse.  Treads and Sleds, Grand Rapids, MI.

[MadMax96]

The article in Motorcyclist was only a "first ride" so it was kind of on the weak side...  the road test wasn't even on our shores judging by the Euro looking license plate.

The new Bandit seems like a great bike.  Better enough for me to consider trading my current one in?  Nope.  The fuel injection and ABS isn't a huge deal for me, but I do like the idea of a sixth gear.  The torque spec is very impressive - but I wish it had a little more in the hp department.  

Not sure if I could drop $8k on one though..  I could spend around $5k or less and pick up a clean ZRX1200.  It's a nice bike, but doesn't have that "gotta have it" factor.  

[CLAY]

I agree.  Maybe if I continue to love it the way I do now (I only have about 200 miles on it) I'll think about it when this one wears out- there surely will be used ones around.

[Bubwheat]

The article in Motorcyclist was only a "first ride" so it was kind of on the weak side...  the road test wasn't even on our shores judging by the Euro looking license plate.

The new Bandit seems like a great bike.  Better enough for me to consider trading my current one in?  Nope.  The fuel injection and ABS isn't a huge deal for me, but I do like the idea of a sixth gear.  The torque spec is very impressive - but I wish it had a little more in the hp department.  

Not sure if I could drop $8k on one though..  I could spend around $5k or less and pick up a clean ZRX1200.  It's a nice bike, but doesn't have that "gotta have it" factor.  

Agree. The article I read said they believe getting an extra 20hp out of it won't be a problem. And, used bikes rock, 5k would get you an excellent ZRX or even better, an FZ1.

[andruboz]

I could spend around $5k or less and pick up a clean ZRX1200.  

My Kawasaki dealer had a brand new 2002 zrx1200 on the floor today fresh out of the box.  He said he has it sold for MSRP $7800.  He wishes he had 100 more still in the box.  he's sure he could sell all of them.

he is a bit of a  bullshieser though..

[MadMax96]

My Kawasaki dealer had a brand new 2002 zrx1200 on the floor today fresh out of the box.  He said he has it sold for MSRP $7800.  He wishes he had 100 more still in the box.  he's sure he could sell all of them.

he is a bit of a  bullshieser though..

Whoever paid full MSRP on a 5 yr old bike is tard.  Pass along my contact info, I have a bridge I'd like to sell him.  

[JamesG]

My Kawasaki dealer had a brand new 2002 zrx1200 on the floor today fresh out of the box.  He said he has it sold for MSRP $7800.  He wishes he had 100 more still in the box.  he's sure he could sell all of them.
he is a bit of a  bullshieser though..

And not a very good one. If true, it took him 5 years to move a bike that he paid KHI for many moon ago. Just the interest and capital depreciation loss alone would make an accountant's eyes roll back in his head.

That said, if I can across a brand new ZRX, I might have had trouble resisting the urge to reach for my check book...

[DredheadV2.0]

Called Chicago Cycle yesterday, they don't have any in stock and didn't know when the first one will be there. Which sucks BTW.  

Keep us updated, Bub, if you don't mind.  Or gimme a PM if you've heard they're in.  I WAS thinking about a GTR1400 for the next bike, whenever the lords of commerce decide to let me have enough money.  But at less than 2/3 the price for a completely reborn B12... it bears some serious thinking.  ESPECIALLY if I can use my old Givis with them.

[mountainmotor]

State tax laws differ . Like in Texas you pay for tag and title at the dealers whereas in Oklahoma tag and title along with excise taxes is done after the sale at local tag agencies .

Anyway , looks like 7499.00 OTD for the non ABS model makes these bikes quite the deal for the person looking for a bike in this category . I would also think these 1250's should be very reliable bikes and just a SWAG that at 30k miles the valve clearance will still be in tolerance like most Busa's which would make for one easy to maintain bike .

http://www.bartlesvillecyclesports.com/miscpage_001.asp?sid=0602276X2K3K2005J3I40I58JPMQ999R0

[Bubwheat]

Keep us updated, Bub, if you don't mind.  Or gimme a PM if you've heard they're in.  I WAS thinking about a GTR1400 for the next bike, whenever the lords of commerce decide to let me have enough money.  But at less than 2/3 the price for a completely reborn B12... it bears some serious thinking.  ESPECIALLY if I can use my old Givis with them.

Talked to "George" today at Chicago Cycle, he said they have a black and red on the floor, but he didn't know if it was an "S" or not. My guess is an "S". They open at 9am Sat and 10am om Sunday. Enjoy  

[DredheadV2.0]

Talked to "George" today at Chicago Cycle, he said they have a black and red on the floor, but he didn't know if it was an "S" or not. My guess is an "S". They open at 9am Sat and 10am om Sunday. Enjoy  

Woot!

[MadMax96]

Talked to "George" today at Chicago Cycle, he said they have a black and red on the floor, but he didn't know if it was an "S" or not. My guess is an "S". They open at 9am Sat and 10am om Sunday. Enjoy  

The 2007 Bandit 1250 only comes in "S" trim - no naked model available, at least in the U.S. market.

It kinda sucks that the red and black models are non-ABS and blue is the only color w/ ABS.  All are nice colors though.

[zrx4me]

I'd like to know what its like to ride.I know its got killer torque,but its a bit low on hp.That would be fine if it had tons of get up and go from low RPM and the secondary throttle butterflies are not restricting it like on the ZX14.The stock 14 is a bit of a letdown below 5000rpm unless modded.

[DredheadV2.0]

I know the G1 and G2 B12's are ridiculously easy to mod for good HP gains.  Will this hold true for the new FI Bandits?

[JamesG]

They will be more like the current generation of sportbikes. Easier to tune, just change the pipe and filter, then D/L a new map to a powercommander. No more fiddling with jets, but more expensive.

Major mods are out, because the link to the previous generations of Bandit and GSXR motors is broken.  So unless/until someone cracks open their motor to see if Suzuki parts-binned stuff like the cams, cranks, and gearbox, Bandito owners who want to hotrod their motors will have to pay the same premium as other late model performance bits.

[gritsngravy]

I think if you're wanting more power, handling etc from the new bandit you would be better served getting a sportier machine.   To me the 1250S is a great all 'rounder with modern touches that doesn't cost to much.   It looks like a great rational bike for most riders.   If you have to have a new sporty machine and are flexible enough financially and physically, the newer liter sport bikes offer tons o' power, handling etc.   Left over '06 cbr's and zx10's have been selling for well under 10k otd around here but best budget for that insurance, it'll be higher than a bandit.   I'm a former bandit owner that went the sportier route and haven't looked back since.   For me I always have owned standards with the idea I would get into longer trips but that's never really happened, work and such allows time for  day rides and frankly the ss bike is more fun in the time available.   Still, the new bandit looks to be NICE, I just wouldn't go rushing around trying to make it something it's not.  

[Prubert]

The gents at Sport Rider REALLY like the 1250, enough that one of those moto-type journalists is thinking about BUYING one.

I guess it is a evolution of the 1200 bandit, a great all-rounder.  This is not just an updated engine, the bike is mostly new, from a new frame/swingarm to the engine/tranny.  

 

[cyjo]

It looks like it is a cool bike. I am not sure if I would go out and get one though. Now I finally got my bandit the way I want it I don't intend to give it up too easily.

[mountainmotor]

I know the G1 and G2 B12's are ridiculously easy to mod for good HP gains.  Will this hold true for the new FI Bandits?

You bet . They have come around pretty well already in terms of upper rpm gains w/o sacrifice to the bottom with just a Yoshimura slip-on muffler . They are hurting in the camshaft area . The cams must be little guys like the GSX1400 inline four Suzuki made overseas .

Also , expect to see at least a Stage I camshaft set from Yoshimura for the 1250 . They made a set for the GSX1400 and I'd think a set for the 1250 will be a no brainer .

I am hoping they will come through with a Stage II set as well for the guys who want to bump the compression and all the rest of the good stuff  .

The bike has too many cylinders and same for cubic centimeters for modern AMA or WERA race categories but people have been taking standard bikes and having fun turning them into monsters for many a year now . I have full intensions to park a fairingless model beside the Busa very soon .

Here's to the good ole days for Suzuki  

[Red01]

Holeshot recently picked up a B12.5 to develop parts for. So far, Dale hasn't got a pipe or remap on the new 1250 yet, but he does have his baseline dyno work done and has a graph of how the new 1250 compares with a '01 1200. The red lines are from the '01 B12, blue lines from the new 1250:

[DredheadV2.0]

Yummy torque curves!

[mountainmotor]

I contacted Hindle Exhaust in effort to get them to build a stepped header system , their Race series for this bike . They replied very timely and said they will be building a pipe but was uncertain if it will be for a engine is higher state of tune "Race stepped header enters into this again " or just a performance exhaust .

I only have two email adresse's . Guys , help the bike world out and email asking for a stepped race header for the new Bandit 1250S  

Here's the address   http://info@hindle.com

[TriumphSM]

When I saw those dyno graphs from Dale Walker over at Maximum Suzuki, it got me jonesing for a Bandit even more. That's a very impressive torque curve from just over 2,000 rpm to just over 7,000 rpm. I don't want a bike that can go 160+ mph, real world passing power is more important to me and the Bandit should have plenty of it. Have there been any reviews yet with 60 to 80 mph and 80 to 100 mph times? Sure wish I could find a dealer giving test rides, but the big 4 don't seem to hand those out anymore.

[GS1100GK]

When I saw those dyno graphs from Dale Walker over at Maximum Suzuki, it got me jonesing for a Bandit even more. That's a very impressive torque curve from just over 2,000 rpm to just over 7,000 rpm. I don't want a bike that can go 160+ mph, real world passing power is more important to me and the Bandit should have plenty of it. Have there been any reviews yet with 60 to 80 mph and 80 to 100 mph times? Sure wish I could find a dealer giving test rides, but the big 4 don't seem to hand those out anymore.

Last test ride I took at my Kawasaki/Suzuki dealer caused me to buy the bike!!!  My dealer has a black w/o ABS.  Maybe I can convince him to let me ride one...

[rasta]

Sounds a great bike for the $$$! Incredable features for price.

[JamesG]

Sure wish I could find a dealer giving test rides, but the big 4 don't seem to hand those out anymore.

You can thank Joe "sure I can ride" Squid and his daddy the lawyer for that...

I am still waiting for my dealer to get theirs and put 'em on the floor.  

[sprintamx]

Well folks, I pulled the trigger and went for a new Bandit w/ ABS.  I moved from a Sprint ST, which, while it had a beautiful engine, was still too "sporty" for my daily commuting and long hauls.  Even with risers, my wrists and shoulders let their displeasure be know with frequency.  Shame though, I really did work on that ST . . .

No regrets though!  The 1250 is a fantastic engine! Smooth, strong, and wonderful torque, especially down in the range where the average person does most of their riding.  The only immediate things I would change are the windscreen and possibly the seat--windsreen first.  And, SW-Motech is already producing mounts for GIVI cases, etc.

I was going to go for the new Tiger.  Man, that is a beauty also.  It is an incredibly nimble bike, and Triumph did a great job with the EFI tuning--I do love the triple--though the tranny is about the same as on the Sprint.  But, for $10,699 retail (w/out ABS), no bags, no centerstand, no power socket, etc., and the same basic riding position as the Bandit, it became a no brainer for me.  I have several dealers in my general area who are more than willing to let you test ride and demo, so I was able to make back to back comparisons.  And, honestly, the 1050 is not as strong or smooth as the 1250--anywhere--and the Suzuki tranny is much better.  And, for the price, you get the centerstand, hydraulic clutch, adjustable levers, and good suspension.  While the Tiger is fully adjustable, the Bandit is very good within its limitations.  Hell, the dealer even installed an accessory connection for free (granted, they do this on all the bikes).  And, since I was going to have to do my own thing for bags anyway, that sealed the deal.  The only negative I can mention is the silencer--it's a monster!  But, unlike the Tiger, its mounted lower on the frame so it should not interfere with bags or pillion.  But, it sure is big.

Yes, this ain't a true sport bike, nor a tourer, or even a true standard.  But, I was looking for a great utility infielder, and I found it.  Did I mention that the engine is fantastic!  I don't want to exaggerate, but seriously, the motor really pulls strong from everywhere--much, much stronger than the Triumph 1050.  I have not carved any corners yet since I am still breaking in the engine and scrubbing the tires.  So far, it is a firmly planted and compliant ride and requires minimal effort to intiate turns.  Even though it weighs in at 500lbs dry, the engine is balanced well, the center of gravity is great, and the power makes light work of the weight.  The fit and finish are good, and the instrumentation is just fine.  You even get hazard lights and a passing flash!

So for what its worth, I found fantastic all-arounder, with a magnificient engine and tranny and comfy ergos, and ABS, all for under $9K new.  I am pleased as punch.  First job will be a new screen, then some case mounts, then put on the miles . . .

Aaron

[Mr.Awesome]

Congratulations on the new bike Thanks for the summary. What Sprint are you coming off of a 955 or 1050. I'd really like to get your impression of handling compared to the sprint once you have it broken in. Keep us updated.

[Jetpilot5]

Thanks for the review.  

I finally got to see one in person and throw a leg over it.  It's a little cramped for me with the seat in the low position and I didn't have them change it over to the high position.  They sure made a lot of nice changes and talk about bang for your buck.  I'm impressed.

[sprintamx]

Mr. Awesome:  I am coming off a '06 Sprint--1050.  Maybe its just me, but even after installing the Triumph performance exhaust, moving down a tooth in the engine sprocket, and trying different FI maps, I was still struggling to find my "zone" with the Triumph.  The FI performance and tranny were "notchy" and sometimes slightly spastic at lower speeds.  This was never a problem at speed, or when I was working the corners well.  By that, I mean smoothly, and not closing the throttle too much when setting entry speed and maintaining throttle through the apex.  But, since I need a do-everything bike, and there are a lot of blind corners and slow speed turns in the world, it was a constant issue.  More importantly, I just could not get long-term comfy in the  seat. Finally, the Sprint was very susceptible to cross winds and quartering headwinds.  The bike got blown all over the road!

Frankly, I was looking for shaft drive.  And after much research and cogitating, I could not get excited about the FJR, and did not want to go with Honda ST.  I took a hard look at used BMWs, but that is a long and potentially expensive story.  I also gave serious thought to a Guzzi, but they are few and far between in my area.

Enough of my history.  Bottom line, the 1250s is a fantastic engine and tranny package.  I have no previous experience with the Bandit so I can not make a direct comparison with previous years.  But I am coming off a Triumph  1050, with some tweaks, and compared the Bandit back-to-back with the '07 Tiger 1050.  The Bandit has a a superior engine and transmission.  I don't think it beats the Tiger for all aspects of chassis and handling, but it is damn close! Close enough for me.  Like I mentioned earlier, for the price point, this is a very good deal.

Aaron

[TriumphSM]

Nice report Aaron, especially since I've also taken a new 07 Tiger out for a test ride in March. Gives me some perspective from a person looking for the same kind of bikes I've been browsing with almost exactly the same outlook(FJR no thrill, Honda ST1300 way too heavy). I even went looking at used BMWs like you have, and came away with the same thoughts.

Since I'm also looking for something that can do 2up, the Tiger's lack of passenger room steered me away from it. Sure the new Bandit doesn't have anymore room for that than the Tiger, but at least the pegs aren't nearly as high off the ground as the Tiger, so getting on and off should be easier for my wife.

Keep the reports coming as you break it in and add those aftermarket accessories to the bike. Have you had a chance to test the ABS yet? Is it intrusive at all under normal riding conditions?

[sprintamx]

TriumphSM:

I have not "tested" the ABS yet--I plan to do that this weekend.  I wanted to make sure I scrubbed those new Dunlops before I pushed the brakes.  Under my "normal" riding so far, the ABS has not intruded, and the brakes are nicely progressive; just what you would expect on a contemporary UJM.  One of the many things that always puzzled me about my '06 Sprint was why, even though they sourced Nissin brake components, my particular bike (and many, many others) were so problematic?  Spongy and inconsistent operation, or 100% bite as soon as engaged (this was after replacing the MC, several bleedings, cleanings, and piston reseating).

As for accessories, I've got an MRA Vario Touring Screen, SW-Motech cases mounts for my GIVIs and a tank lock mount for my bag on their way.  Ain't TwistedThrottle great!  I opted for the Motech mounts becauase 1) Givi does not yet advertise any mounts for the 1250; and 2) Motechs are easier to insatll, are very unobtrusive, and are easily removed.  I believe I wrote earlier that all of this stuff was a wash between the new Tiger and the Bandit, since I kept my cases and there was no way I was going to spend $1,200 or so for new Triumph cases.  Heck, I immediately took the stock cases off the Sprint!  There is nothing "wrong" with the Triumph products, but for me, there was no point to having side cases that big that you still could not get a helmet into.  And, just like with the previous model Tiger, you lose interior space beacuse of the high exhaust, though the case still sticks out.  I use the E21 "cruiser" cases from GIVI, and they have more than enough room for the daily commute.  They look great, and they are top-loading!  Frankly, that's the best aspect as far as I am concerned.  

AS for the seat, I have a "But Buffer" gel pad from an earlier bout of uncomfortable seating but no desire to shell out $$$.  After a couple of thousand miles, we'll see.

Ok, enough of my gushing.  Everyone get back to work!

Aaron

[TriumphSM]

Thanks again Aaron. It seems to me Triumph has had problems dialing in their brake setups on various models over the last few years. I know on the 1050 Speed Triples, there were some spongy/vague issues during it's first year. I haven't really read about the ST though having the same issues, but haven't followed them so I don't know if they have the same Nissin radial brakes.. I even get some of it on my Triumph Speedmaster. The grab can be inconsistent from day-to-day, and sometimes I have to pin the front brake lever back with a zip tie overnight to increase the brake pressure.

I'm interested in seeing the Motech brackets and Givi cases mounted when you get them. Hope you have time to post some pics along with the screen.

[sprintamx]

I will document the farkling experience . . .

The Sprint was a disappointment because while Triumph designed a wonderful engine and chassis, they seemed to have stopped there.  The suspension was not up to par either for the class or the price point; we are talking serious braking dive as one example.   The brakes are another rather "infamous" example between the Sprint and the Speed Tripple, though Daytona and other models seem to be perfectly ok.  The Sprint seat mounting was a minor tragedy, and the headlight coverage is actually rather dangerous.  Of course, these are all things you don't discover until after you buy the bike and spend many days/miles gathering information.  When you demo the bike, you are captivated and beguiled by that motor . . .  Many owners do not experience these issues, don't give them much weight, or don't care.  So be it.

Right now, my experience with the 1250 is such a difference that I need to keep reminding myself to stay calm.

Aaron

[mike goodwin]

I will document the farkling experience . . .

The Sprint was a disappointment because while Triumph designed a wonderful engine and chassis, they seemed to have stopped there.  The suspension was not up to par either for the class or the price point; we are talking serious braking dive as one example.   The brakes are another rather "infamous" example between the Sprint and the Speed Tripple, though Daytona and other models seem to be perfectly ok.  The Sprint seat mounting was a minor tragedy, and the headlight coverage is actually rather dangerous.  Of course, these are all things you don't discover until after you buy the bike and spend many days/miles gathering information.  When you demo the bike, you are captivated and beguiled by that motor . . .  Many owners do not experience these issues, don't give them much weight, or don't care.  So be it.

Right now, my experience with the 1250 is such a difference that I need to keep reminding myself to stay calm.

Aaron

Sprintmax...When you mentioned the Sprints headlight coverage are you actually implying it has weak lighting??
If so do they have a projector beam headlight assembly??
And on that note since you now own this new Bandit would you do all of us second generation Bandit 1200 owners and former owners a big favor and go for a ride soon on a dark two lane road and gives us an evaluation of the new Bandits headlights.
This is a really sore issue with me as one of the main reasons i got rid of my 2001 B12 was it's notoriously pitiful (read dangerous)headlight illumination.
What type of headlight bulbs are they using on this thing now(look in your owners manual)??

[sprintamx]

Mike:

The Sprint headlights/running lights were not underpowered, and they are projector beams, but the beams are completely cut off on the sides due to the fairing desing, location of the lights, etc.  There is NO coverage to the side whatsover.  So, anything that is not directly in front of the bike/lights receives NO illumination.  There is no coverage to the side of the road and every turn is blind.  This is not fun at dusk or in the dark. Animals, obstacles, debris, etc. . . .  I added a set of motolights, and that helped quite a bit.  If that wasn't bad enough, the high beam is pretty much useless.  Even after I replaced the stock with a very nice Silverstar, there was little to no improvement.  However, with the low beams, high beams and two 50 watt motolights, I solved the general lighting problem.  But this was after much frustration and $$$.

As for the 12.5, I have read that the coverage is good.  I will find out soon, and remember to take an air horn for those damn deer!  I believe the stock low beams are 55w.

Aaron

[DredheadV2.0]

The stock low beams on the G2 Bandit are 55w and the highs are 60w.  The lamps are entirely adequate, but the design of the optics sucks donkey pizzle.  On some bikes it's fine, on others (like Mike's) it was so dim as to be dangerous.  I am also curious to see if Zook got the lighting right on this model.

Thanks!

[gjnockie]

If you guys think a Bandit 1250 will out perform a new Triumph 1050 you are all crazy!  The Speed Triple has 131 HP and will yank your arms out of their sockets, with a pro rider on board the triples (sprint & speedy) are in the high 10's in the 1/4.  The Triumph's will also out handle the Bandit any day.  The 07 Sprint has been made much more comfortable too. Don't you guys read all of the magazines?  Come on let's be real here!

[mike goodwin]

Sprintmx...I am sure the low beam is 55 watt.
Most likely what Suzuki has done is either installed a 55 watt H-7 bulb for low beam or used one of the auto style bulbs they used on the second gen Bandits use number designation escapes me at this early hour.
But if you would be so kind as to look at your owners manual and see exactly what watt and type of bulb they are using in both high and low beam it would be very helpful.
In some newer bikes the manufacturers actually use an H-7 55 watt for both low and high beam applications.
And since practically every car and motorcycle uses a 60 watt bulb as the high beam bulb i dont understand the logic of a manufacturer short changing someone 5 watts.
Because 5 watts is a tremendous difference in illumination at night.
But then again i dont understand amanufacturers logic using the projector assembly on a motorcycle either.
I guess the engineers dont ride.

About the Sprint.
I am not at all familiar with Triumphs but i had a feeling that they must have gone with those fcuked up projector beam assemblies that work great on cars but it seems does extremely poorly when placed on a motorcycle and i personally never want another bike again that uses them for low and high beam applications.
And since the 1250 is utilizing a stacked headlight assembly it is probably very similiar to the Hayabusa which uses a normal reflector on low beam but on high beam i do believe it is a projector assembly.
That in itself is not really a bad thing because the 55 watt low beam is on when the high beam is engaged and being the low beam is in a regular reflector bucket you still get more light spread on the two outside areas of the bike because they dont have those cut off blockers in them,which also helps you see a bit better in curves etc., where as the highbeam would then be like a long bright pencil beam shooting on down the roadway.
And as long as the projector is put together and dialed in at the factory correctly,something the second generation Bandits mostly were not,then in the present 1250 guise should work pretty good.
But you are our guinea pig.
So get to work.

[DredheadV2.0]

If you guys think a Bandit 1250 will out perform a new Triumph 1050 you are all crazy!  The Speed Triple has 131 HP and will yank your arms out of their sockets, with a pro rider on board the triples (sprint & speedy) are in the high 10's in the 1/4.  The Triumph's will also out handle the Bandit any day.  The 07 Sprint has been made much more comfortable too. Don't you guys read all of the magazines?  Come on let's be real here!

Cost/benefit ratio, dude.  

And are you a pro rider?  I'm not.  Why spend the extra $4K for performance I can't take advantage of?

[sprintamx]

Gents:

I did not get to the owner's manaual last night, as I was "happily" bolting on the first tweaks.  So, I can not quote specifics on the headlights.  But, my dodgy brain wants to report 55w/65w low and high, which I believe I read in some write-up.  But I will check!  I can report that I zipped around @ 10:00 pm and the low beam / high beam coverage is quite good and sufficiently bright.  I have read about the past lighting issues, and the 1250 does not appear to have the coverage or voltage problems.  The low beam pattern is an effective "jagged" triangle with decent coverage to the sides, which is also far enough in front to be really useful.  The high beam projects a strong beam.  The lights were even well aimed from the factory/dealer!  This ain't scientific, but I judged that the lights provide very good width and depth coverage for 25-35 yards, and the good depth coverage continued on to, I dunno, 50-75 yards, though 75 maybe a bit long.  Anyway, no complaints.  The lights are bright and provide what I consider to be good to excellent coverage and illumination.  I do not see any immediate need to change bulbs or any other part of the configuration.  The insatiable need to "farkle" may require some accessory lights down the road for additional safety and coverage, but there is no "need" to do so.

The motech tank-lock mount was not a joy, but the top case rack and adapter were smooth and easy.  In fact, the tank lock was a minor disaster, but I will keep my embarassment to myself (I guess you really do have to pay attention to different length screws!)  But all is relatively well now.  The motech top case mount and adapter plate for my Givi monokey box were easy to install, and the parts/components are well-machined.  Everything lined up, and the box fit with no problem.  I hope that the side case mounts will arrive today, as well as the new screen.  Then I will be stylin'.  All this stuff is bolt-on, and there is no need to move the rear turn signals.  Yeah!

Now, as for the "performance" comment.  Ummm . . . whatever . . .  I don't expect anyone to really read all of my blathering, but I specifically said that I was looking for an excellent utility infielder, and the Bandit is it.  I never said that the 1250 "outperforms" the Triumph 1050 motor in all of its guises.  I said that Suzuki built a smoother more usable package as far as I am concerned, with better every day/every situation usability and rideability.  Peak torque between 3500-4000 rpm!  You feel that and use it immediately, without trying to do your best quarter mile time to the next stoplight!  That's my personal OPINION, and it has nothing to do with quarter miles, top speed, high end HP, lap times, 0-60, etc.  I also realize that this means that there is less in the engine on the high end, but that is not where I ride.

I compared the 1250 to a tweaked '06 Sprint (exhaust, tune, sprocket, suspension, etc), and a stock '07 Tiger.  The Tiger is a great bike, and I wanted it.  But, value, my man!  The Sprint will only beat the Bandit, handling wise, in the tightest of twisties.  For all of the other times, e.g., slow speed cornering, city commuting, etc., I find the Bandit much more tractable and compliant.  Plus, its riding position is where I want to be.  The Tiger is generally a better chassis, but not by much.  The S3, I dunno.  I never got past the looks far enough to really want to be on one.  They all have more HP than the stock 1250, but not more torque, and that's what I wanted.  And, when I experienced the smoother character of the Suzuki engine/tranny, as compared to the Sprint and Tiger (though the Tiger is excellent!), and when I compared little things like a factory centerstand and lower mounted silencer, and the $3K difference between ABS models, my answer was "Sold!"  For me, I know that I am never going to dig down to the bottom of what these liter+ engines have to offer, so I wanted something that would give me its best where I live.  Did I mention peak torque between 3500-4000 rpm?

Rant done; soapbox put away!

Aaron

[mike goodwin]

Great.
Sounds to me as if Suzuki finally listened to multiple bitchings about the short comings of the air cooled second gen bike and corrected it.
I certainly hope so!!

A word of note.
In my previous post i mentioned the newer Bandit as having a stacked headlight such as the Hayabusa.
I had read a preview somewhere that mentioned it was like this.
However after my post i went over to the Suzuki website and because the pictures dont give a good frontal look i am not sure i was correct about the stacked headlight.
In fact with the limited view of the picture it sort of looks as if the headlight is just a regular single bulb assembly.
Does that bike have a stacked assembly Sprintmx that uses two seperate bulbs??

As far as performance...For all the warts my B-12 had,being down on power certainly was not one of them.
It had plenty of power in box stock form.
And even better power once it had it's real pistons installed at 23,000 miles.

If Suzuki has taken the care to get this bik right they wll sell a boat load of them.
Shit man for all i went thru on my 01 and with Suzuki, they ought to just give me a new 1250S.

[Jetpilot5]

However after my post i went over to the Suzuki website and because the pictures dont give a good frontal look i am not sure i was correct about the stacked headlight.
In fact with the limited view of the picture it sort of looks as if the headlight is just a regular single bulb assembly.

Does this help?

[DredheadV2.0]

 

[Jetpilot5]

 

No regrets, but if this had been around before I bought the BMW, things may have turned out differently.  This bike appeals to me.

[Infrared]

I am currently in a love/hate relationship with my 650 Strom and even more so with Corporate Suzuki...heavy on the hate.  But...this bike is really piquing my interest.  Thanks for all of your comments.  

[sprintamx]

I can confirm that the 1250 headlight is a stacked array.  Low beam on top, high beam on the bottom.  The manual rates that bulbs @ 55w.

So far, she is performing beautifully. The motor pulls very strong from anywhere--no hesitation and flawless FI.  The chassis is a pleasure for straight cruising and handles the corners very, very well.  The OEM Dunlop 218s are very good on the turn in and grip well.  The suspension is a bit harsh under pressure, but I have not worked off of the stock settings yet.  It is very comfortable in "cruising" mode, and feels quite content to do basically any kind of ride.

The fit and finish are pretty darn good for the price point.  The only item I have identified that needs some refinement is the throttle grip.  While the throttle itself is what it should be, the grip/cylinder is a bit loose. It feels "cheap."  But this is not a big deal, and does not affect performance.  Otherwise, the paint and plastic a great and everything fits well.  No rattles, squeaks etc.

So, after one week                

Aaron

[mike goodwin]

I can confirm that the 1250 headlight is a stacked array.  Low beam on top, high beam on the bottom.  The manual rates that bulbs @ 55w.

So far, she is performing beautifully. The motor pulls very strong from anywhere--no hesitation and flawless FI.  The chassis is a pleasure for straight cruising and handles the corners very, very well.  The OEM Dunlop 218s are very good on the turn in and grip well.  The suspension is a bit harsh under pressure, but I have not worked off of the stock settings yet.  It is very comfortable in "cruising" mode, and feels quite content to do basically any kind of ride.

The fit and finish are pretty darn good for the price point.  The only item I have identified that needs some refinement is the throttle grip.  While the throttle itself is what it should be, the grip/cylinder is a bit loose. It feels "cheap."  But this is not a big deal, and does not affect performance.  Otherwise, the paint and plastic a great and everything fits well.  No rattles, squeaks etc.

So, after one week                

Aaron

Both high and low beam bulbs are 55 watt???
WTF!!
See if your owners manual tells you what type of bulbs it is using please.
Fwiw i went on a 320 mile ride Saturday and stopped at a small Yam/Suki dealer in the small town of Columbus Tx. and went inside to see if they had one...No.
But i did pick up the 07 Suzuki line up catalogue.
They are pushing this bike heavily as it is on the front cover of the catalogue.
And if Suzuki truely listened to certain legitimate previous customers heavy critizisms of the flaws of the second gen. Bandit and made the necessary adjustments then they wont have any trouble selling these bikes.
Especially the ABS version.
Speaking of which.
I sure wished i had the factory service manual in front of me to read up on this latest generation of ABS and what it takes to service the brakes such as bleeding,where the ABS computer is,etc.
My 1992 BMW's first generation ABS is crude by todays standards and adds quite a bit of weight to the bike.
Oh well they had to start somewhere.
I sure would like to know more about the headlight setup of this bike.

[sprintamx]

Yeah, I triple checked the manual.  The only rating provided is for the low beam: 55w.  Weird!
Aaron

[sprintamx]

Folks:

The praise continues:  http://www.wheels.ca/article/26320

Aaron

[mike goodwin]

Yeah, I triple checked the manual.  The only rating provided is for the low beam: 55w.  Weird!
Aaron

Then that's typical for Suzuki.
So from what we know now is that:
1. It is definitely a stacked headlight assembly.
2. Suzuki gives you the bulb wattage in low beam as 55 watts but fails to inform us of what's in the high beam...Which i still find it hard to believe is only a 55 watt bulb.
3.Surely in the specs part of the manual they give the information or they have left that for the owner to discover.
Well sooner or later we will have some answers (hopefully).
But i am glad the lights on the current Bandit shine brightly and this coming from a guy that is stepping off the Triumph which he readily admits has poor illumination.

[DredheadV2.0]

Odd.  According to the online parts fiche, they're both the same lamp.  Detail sez: "BULB (12V55W) 09471-12188"



My biggest problem with the headlights was the lenses are nigh-impossible to clean, and many came delivered with a sooty film already coating them.  Mine were alright, but 50K miles later I'd like to do something about them.  This assembly looks marginally easier to keep bright.

[mike goodwin]

Too damn weird.
However that bulb looks just like the tiny flashlight sized bulb i put in my Daughters friends newer VW Beetle.
Perhaps this is just the artist bad rendition of the bulb.
Or.... What is with Suzuki always experimenting with the Bandits lighting system????

Dred,the only way to clean the coal miners soot is to completely disassemble your headligh assembly.
Since i have done this no less than three times i got it down to a 45 minute project after you took the fairing halves off and the windscreen free.
Too bad you dont live closer cause we could have that thing cleaned in no time.
At least for a while.
Someone out there PLEASE take the bulbs out of a new Bandit 1250 and gives us the type of bulb it is using.


Edit to add.....After looking at this closer i mistook the small marker bulb as the regular headlight bulb.
The two bulbs identified as part # 6 look like H-7 bulbs to me.
On the other hand Suzuki might be doing like Yamaha did on their FZ-6 and used the straight filament 55 watt H-7 as it's low beam and an H-4 as it's high beam.
Until someone pulls both of these things out and gives us the heads up we will just be speculating.

[JamesG]

If the bulbs have the same part numbers...

Probably the difference is where and how far each reflector is focused.

[DredheadV2.0]

If the bulbs have the same part numbers...

Probably the difference is where and how far each reflector is focused.

The bulbs have the same part numbers.

[mike goodwin]

If the bulbs have the same part numbers...

Probably the difference is where and how far each reflector is focused.

Well even if for some strange reason they are using H-7 55 watt halogen bulbs you can always go over to www.rallylights.com and order an Osram 65 watt H-7,part #CP64217.
Still cant wait for someone to pull these things out of the bike and tells us point blank what is "is".
Anyway,it IS good to know that Suzuki has made a good effort to update the bike...In particular the headlights.

[JamesG]

It just occured to me looking at that diagram, that you could remove the turn signals and rewire the marker lights into signals and use the marker lamp leads for a pair of 12v outlets in the dash.  Buy a set of "#3s" and you wouldn't even need to hack up the wiring harness.


I'm just a farklin' fool.  

[cyjo]

I still want to see pics from you sprintamx!!!  

[sprintamx]

Ok, ok . . . I;ll blow the dust off the camera and get some pics this week!  I may even throw a little polish on before the flash.  The side case racks are on backorder until July, and the MRA screen will ship "any day."  So, I'll be able to show stock + the SW Motech top case mounting plate and GIVI V46.  I also have the Motech tank lock mount installed for my small daypack.

The turn signal "re-wiring" suggestion got me thinking . . .  I have been mulling the idea of accessory lights as a safety precaution.  I do think that the stock lighting is quite good, but more light is always better, right!  A problem is that there are few mounting options.  I could be wrong, but I do not think there is enough space on the forks to mount the lights, and I am not interested in any caliper mount system should one become available.  I  have been looking at the fairing, but did not readily see an abvious place that I would be comfortable drilling any holes, though that is a possibility.  However, if you can re-wire the indicator lights into turn signals, then could you not replace the stock turn signals with accessory/fog lights?  Hmmm . . .

And, a question about exhaust.  A few companies have started to release slip-ons for the 1250.  I have seen models by Two Brothers, Scorpion and Yoshimura.  I am considering this because it may be useful to mount a somewhat smaller can than the OEM (that thing is huge!).  But, and this is purely subjective, the bike is literally silent.  The stock can works so well there is no exhaust note, period.  At this point, I am not seeking any power increase, though that will result to some extent, and I am not looking for a loud pipe.  So, does anyone have any experience with products from the three companies I mentioned?  And, if so, is it good, bad, indifferent?  Are any of their pipe too loud?  Etc.

Thanks guys,

Aaron

[mike goodwin]

Until these things become more popular i would wait on the exhaust mod. because the computer will habve to be remapped.
I am sure Holeshot will come thru soon on this if he has not already.

Not knowing how the fairing goes together but it might be possible to mount one light directly at the bottom of the fairing below the headlight.
You might have to fabricate a bracket which would be a trip to the harware store.
Check out Moto Lites as well.

Hey on the headlight i have a questin.
Since it is a two bulb setup do both low beams shine at once??
If not then when you put the bike in high beam mode does both lights then stay on??

[desert_rider]

A quote from Dale's holeshot.com:
"Dale is currently working on a new Holeshot slip-on, TFI tuning and a few other tricks at this time. A full 4-1 Holeshot header will also be developed down the road as well as many other products for the bike."

[mike goodwin]

A quote from Dale's holeshot.com:
"Dale is currently working on a new Holeshot slip-on, TFI tuning and a few other tricks at this time. A full 4-1 Holeshot header will also be developed down the road as well as many other products for the bike."

Well there you have.
If any one can get this right it will be Dale Walker.

[DredheadV2.0]

He's got a thread ongoing at Max Zook.  I've been trying not to read it since I don't have any money to get a new bike this decade, but still...

[mike goodwin]

He's got a thread ongoing at Max Zook.  I've been trying not to read it since I don't have any money to get a new bike this decade, but still...

I feel your pain and can easily understand your plight...Hence i own a 1992 model motorcycle after dumping my 2001 Bandit.

I wished someone would give me some answers on my headlight bulb questions.

[sprintamx]

No rush on the exhaust.  Just a consideration.  Scorpion claims no FI re-mapping required.  And, yes, I will gladly wait until someone else works out a good solution.

Only one light is on for the low beam; both lights stay on with the high beam.

I was looking at mounting accessory lights under the fairing--as the only possibility I can see at this point.  But for $400, I'll stay away from the Motolights.  Plus, they only offer bike-specific fork or caliper mounting.  PIAA ain't cheap either; with no specific mounting options.  On the other hand, Rallylights has some nicely priced possibilities.

Aaron

[JamesG]

I  have been looking at the fairing, but did not readily see an abvious place that I would be comfortable drilling any holes...

Hang 'em under the chin of the fairing in front of the forks? Under the corners of the radiator? Where theres a will...

Got to sit on a B1250 this afternoon. I donno if it was that I'd just spent an hour on my cushy YZF600R's seat, but the Bandit's felt rock hard and narrow.  Not what I was expecting at all...

[desert_rider]

Got to sit on a B1250 this afternoon. I donno if it was that I'd just spent an hour on my cushy YZF600R's seat, but the Bandit's felt rock hard and narrow.  Not what I was expecting at all...

+1   --   How is it that motorcycle companies can design great bikes but put crappy seats on them?

[JamesG]

Maybe they let the GSXR team design the Bandits seat?  

[Baz]

Until these things become more popular i would wait on the exhaust mod. because the computer will habve to be remapped.
I am sure Holeshot will come thru soon on this if he has not already.

Not knowing how the fairing goes together but it might be possible to mount one light directly at the bottom of the fairing below the headlight.
You might have to fabricate a bracket which would be a trip to the harware store.
Check out Moto Lites as well.

Hey on the headlight i have a questin.
Since it is a two bulb setup do both low beams shine at once??
If not then when you put the bike in high beam mode does both lights then stay on??

Mike:

The new Bandito has a stacked headlight system like the Busa. Low beam is one light, high beam the other. Both lights are only on when you have the high beams on.

[Spectreman]

http://www.arspowersports.com/

I was perusing an ad in the current issue of Cycle Trader (for Florida) and saw an ad for what I assume is this business' internet link (above). By my recollection, the ad listed the sales price of an 07 Suzuki Bandit 1250 as $6999!!!  If that's accurate, then that is one incredible price. The site sez they don't charge for freight or prep & often charge less than most dealerships pay for a bike! All I can say is WOW if it's true.

There are a couple of bike shops in central FLA, particularly around Lake Okeechobee for whatever reason, that advertise outrageous deals on bikes. Some of my friends down here in SoFla have made the drive and felt it was very much worth it. I don't know if they're for real but I must admit, the price on the Bandit certainly picqued my curiosity into sending them an e-mail just for curiosity's sake.  

I'm not looking for a Bandit but I'm betting there will be a lot of folks who want a utilitarian bike like that, especially since the ZRX is no longer being sold and the only alternatives are none too appetizing, at least not to me.
Lee

[mike goodwin]

I stopped over at a Suzuki dealer Saturday that had one.
I checked that headlight setup pretty good.
For the life of me i cannot fathom why Suzuki put a 55 watt high beam in that thing when practically EVERY vehicle on the street be it car or motorcycle usese a 60 watt high beam.
The lowly Katana 750 sitting next to it has strong dual H-4's with 55/60 watt bulbs that burn both in either low or high beam mode.
WTF is it with Suzuki always experimenting with the the Bandits lighting system???
The bike looked good but the wind protection is not as good as the second gen air cooled Bandit.
I am sure the after market companies will soon catch up there.
The bike will be a bit more complicated to work on  and that oil filter will be a tight squeeze to get out and put back in due to a lot of hoses around it.
I certainly would like to ride one in the near future.
However...I personally would wait awile before buying one to see what sort of flaws if any start showing up on internet boards.
If i had waited even six more months from the date i bought my second gen Bandit i would have never bought mine cause by then i would have known all was not well with the engines and lighting.
I truely hope they got this one right this time.

[Red01]

Well, this is the thrid year for that lighting system, so you only need to see if any bugs show up in the new engines.  

[mike goodwin]

Well, this is the thrid year for that lighting system, so you only need to see if any bugs show up in the new engines.  

Good to know.
And truthfully since they have been making liquid cooled engines for quite some time now hopefully again all will be well.
Anyone got the alternator output specs on the new bike??

[DredheadV2.0]

Good to know.
And truthfully since they have been making liquid cooled engines for quite some time now hopefully again all will be well.
Anyone got the alternator output specs on the new bike??

Oooh, very important point.  Must be able to run vest, gloves, grips, GPS, XM, RADAR detector and 12V portable espresso machine from the overhead in the charging system.

[Baz]

Ok, ok . . . I;ll blow the dust off the camera and get some pics this week!  I may even throw a little polish on before the flash.  The side case racks are on backorder until July, and the MRA screen will ship "any day."  So, I'll be able to show stock + the SW Motech top case mounting plate and GIVI V46.  I also have the Motech tank lock mount installed for my small daypack.

The turn signal "re-wiring" suggestion got me thinking . . .  I have been mulling the idea of accessory lights as a safety precaution.  I do think that the stock lighting is quite good, but more light is always better, right!  A problem is that there are few mounting options.  I could be wrong, but I do not think there is enough space on the forks to mount the lights, and I am not interested in any caliper mount system should one become available.  I  have been looking at the fairing, but did not readily see an abvious place that I would be comfortable drilling any holes, though that is a possibility.  However, if you can re-wire the indicator lights into turn signals, then could you not replace the stock turn signals with accessory/fog lights?  Hmmm . . .

And, a question about exhaust.  A few companies have started to release slip-ons for the 1250.  I have seen models by Two Brothers, Scorpion and Yoshimura.  I am considering this because it may be useful to mount a somewhat smaller can than the OEM (that thing is huge!).  But, and this is purely subjective, the bike is literally silent.  The stock can works so well there is no exhaust note, period.  At this point, I am not seeking any power increase, though that will result to some extent, and I am not looking for a loud pipe.  So, does anyone have any experience with products from the three companies I mentioned?  And, if so, is it good, bad, indifferent?  Are any of their pipe too loud?  Etc.

Thanks guys,

Aaron

Hi Aaron:

I had a Yoshi TRS on my 2002 Bandit. I went with a Yoshi as they and Holeshot were the only people who replaced the midpipe on the K-2 Bandit. My TRS was the race version and I guess I must be getting old, as I was getting tired of the noise (any aftermarket pipe would have done this), especially on long highway trips.

The people I rode with loved the sound of my bike though. To tell you the truth the sound difference of aftermarket pipes on the K-2 bandit I found was really marginable. The only real difference was volume.

Aftermarket pipes attract the wrong attention most of the time. Whenever I jumped on the throttle of the old Bandit, every cop in every donut shop for miles around would perk right up.

I now have an FJR and will keep the pipes stock on it. I love the quiet. There is nothing that ticks me off more that to hear a cruiser with straight pipes on it rattle the fillings out of my teeth, so with this bike I am going to be the example of a good neighbor.

Your new Bandit has a catalytic converter in the pipe, (thus the increased size) I am not sure how much HP you would gain on the new Bandit with a pipe. (The gain on the old Bandit was huge) I would wait and see what the tuners like Holeshot can do with the new bandit before purchasing a pipe.

I know with the FJR, new exhaust only gets you about 8 hp tops (with a power commander) and the package will cost me over $1200. Needless to say, I will throw the money to better things.

[FJRmgm]

the new Bandit sure got a great review in the latest Motorcyclist mag..

[denydog]

the new Bandit sure got a great review in the latest Motorcyclist mag..

I saw that article in May's Motorcyclist.

July's Rider magazine has an even better article, and features the Bandit 1250 as its cover photo.

[RowdyRed94]

They're still comparing it to an FZ1, though. That's not really apples-to-apples.

[denydog]

They're still comparing it to an FZ1, though. That's not really apples-to-apples.

Ya, I Just received the latest issue of Cycle World, and saw the head to head report with the FZ1.  The conclusion seemed to be that some people would prefer the sharper edged performance and handling of the FZ, and others might prefer the all around comfort, real world performance, and  smoothness of the Bandit.

I took special notice of the dragstrip performance comparison, as high lighting the difference in design between the bikes.  The FZ1 was about a half second quicker and 13 mph faster in the 1/4, but required plenty of revving and clutch slipping, were as with the Bandit, they just had to pretty much let the clutch out and the torque did the rest.

(BTW- The dragstrip numbers with the 1250 Bandit were just a fraction better than what the magazines reported on my bike 25 years ago.  Must be the the pollution controls on the new bikes.   )

[Jetpilot5]

The July issue of Sport Rider magazine has a test between the Bandit 1250S and the BMW K1200R Sport.  The Bandit did very well in the comparison.

[Red01]

(BTW- The dragstrip numbers with the 1250 Bandit were just a fraction better than what the magazines reported on my bike 25 years ago.  Must be the the pollution controls on the new bikes.   )

Remember, 25 years ago your EZ was one of the quickest & fastest production bikes made.
Today, that honor goes to bikes in a completely different class than the Bandit or FZ1.

[Squiggy]

Dale's dynos on the 1250. stock and modified.

[s boy]

Ok, ok . . . I;ll blow the dust off the camera and get some pics this week!

you know... i am now having my doubts that aaron even bought a 1250abs.  

[s boy]

Dale's dynos on the 1250. stock and modified.

decent increase... but not surprising considering the stock torque curve he had to work with. wonder what the pieces will cost?

[s boy]

The July issue of Sport Rider magazine has a test between the Bandit 1250S and the BMW K1200R Sport.  The Bandit did very well in the comparison.

rider mag featured the 1250abs as well in july... and the k1200r also.

the bandit was highly praised accross the board. a big home run for zook. in my opinion if they ever slap a belt drive on it - it will be a 100% perfect adventure/sport/touring rig.

[DredheadV2.0]

rider mag featured the 1250abs as well in july... and the k1200r also.

the bandit was highly praised accross the board. a big home run for zook. in my opinion if they ever slap a belt drive on it - it will be a 100% perfect adventure/sport/touring rig.

That would be 100% awesome.

[Zerosum]

Why is it that the Japanese aren't switching belt drive?  From what I've read: it's cleaner, requires way less adjustment, etc... Seems like a no-brainer to me.    

I wish my bikes had belt drives... I'm always forgetting to lube the chains.

[sgoat]

I posted early on that a friend of mine bought the first 1250 here in N.M. Not to long after that, he and I took a little 3-day "strafing run" thru Colorado. Gotta report that this is a great sport-tourer w/soft luggage. Just to give you some background, I owned a 97' GSF 1200 Bandit with which I did some fairly extensive touring on, not to mention an Iron Butt Saddle Sore 1000. I'm only telling you this because the new version of this bike is so much more capable than my 97' Bandit. This bike is still the same incredible "bang for the buck" bike it was 10 years ago, only a bunch better mechanically. I'm on my second FJR 1300 and am looking hard at the new Kawasaki "C-14" Concours, but wouldn't be ashamed at all to have a new 1250 in my garage. My friend's 1250 now has about 3500mi. on it and it's been flawless, except for a rapidly disappearing rear tire. He just put on a new pair of Michelin Pilot Roads, has a new windscreen in route, and after a phone call to the man himself, Dale Walker, has a new slip-on expected the 16th of this (July) month. Suzuki's got a winner here that should again be a great "all-arounder" for many more years to come. Good Job!