New NT700V, Europe's Deauville

[County Tar]

Very well put and I agree  

Agree with No. 2, not No. 1.  It looks functional enough.  Probably performs as advertised.  American tastes (or lack thereof) is the problem.  I wish they would sell the CBF1000 here.

[Grainbelt]

I love making fun of Wee Strom's but see a ton of them on the road. I think BMW Boxers are a little dopey, but see a ton of them as well. Clearly my opinions are not spending other people's money.  

This NT700 is priced in F8000ST territory (F800ST lists at 11,500 with ABS), and I think that comparison is a bit more valid, as they each have maintenance free final drives, ABS, etc.

Of the two, I would pick the BMW, because it is lighter and has more power. Others may choose the Deauville because it has more relaxed ergonomics and better storage solutions.

[UFO]

The more I read about this bike the more I like it.   It will out run and out handle the batwing bagger crowd and be more comfortable.   Wish I had something like it years ago when I was commuting to school on those freezing cold mornings.    I'm especially liking the negative vibes from advposeur.com   and on this site......oh yeah, I'm thinking 8k or less from OTD Cyclesports by winter 2010.     I've been rockin' the hell out of my discounted but horrible '07 vtec vfr and would love to try the lame, slow, heavy, difficult to maintain, unreliable, crappy build quality NT700V.   Spread the word, please.    

 

Honestly, this bike might have a niche in the US, but it will be a sales failure.  Sure, there are always people who buy a vehicle and like them (Pontiac Aztec anyone?) but are bombs on the showroom floor.

[gritsngravy]

I generally buy bikes I like, how big a seller the bike is just doesn't matter to me.   I'm not getting why folks are so upset at this particular bike.   Don't like it, don't buy it.   Honda will survive without your precious sheckles.   Fact is it's a GOOD THING in that it shows a willingness for Honda to  finally bring in bikes that are not dumbed down for the American market.   I personally didn't see this thing coming and that's kinda nice.  Who knows, the cb1300 or cb1000r might be announced as well.    I've been waiting for the cb1300 for years and eventually bought a bandit 1200.    Whatever honda doesn't bring in, others will.  

[mugwump58]

I think that what got folks was how close it came to their ideal, all 12,500 of 'em.....

[rajflyboy]

NT700

Good commuter i guess but the bike is as ugly as those "Meals on Wheels" BMW bikes!!   and it costs 10G for a 700 ??

Honda needs to step it up with the bikes it offers here in the good old USA.  

[Schneegz]

Happy 599 owners don't think it was a failure.  

That may be true.  It's also completely irrelevant.  The motorcycle business is just that; a business.  The 599 was a miserable business failure because it simply didn't make money for the manufacturer which, ultimately, is the purpose of every bike.

[Schneegz]

I'm not getting why folks are so upset at this particular bike.   Don't like it, don't buy it.   Honda will survive without your precious sheckles.   Fact is it's a GOOD THING in that it shows a willingness for Honda to  finally bring in bikes that are not dumbed down for the American market.   I personally didn't see this thing coming and that's kinda nice.  Who knows, the cb1300 or cb1000r might be announced as well.    I've been waiting for the cb1300 for years and eventually bought a bandit 1200.    Whatever honda doesn't bring in, others will.

Allow me to direct you to my previous post on those very same arguments.  If time proves me wrong, feel free to say you told me so, but I doubt that'll happen.

[County Tar]

Allow me to direct you to my previous post on those very same arguments.  If time proves me wrong, feel free to say you told me so, but I doubt that'll happen.

Agree with gritsngravy on this one.  The more variety the better.  

[Schneegz]

Agree with gritsngravy on this one.  The more variety the better.  

That's just it; sales flops cause manufacturers to stick to the same-old-same-old, not diversify.  My complaint isn't with diversity.  I want more diversity.  My complaint is with Honda's decision to bring bikes to the US market that are so overpriced they're destined to be flops - like the 599, DN-01 and Dullsville - that then cause manufacturers to give us more of the same-old-same-old, especially when Honda has bikes like that CB1300 that would obviously be successful here in the States.

Check out these quotes from the Cycle World article on the CB1000R.  

He [Ray Blank, American Honda VP] remarked that I [Mark Hoyer] fit the expected demographic; that is sporting riders between 40 and 60 years old, who don't necessarily want to live every day hunched over on a supersport bike but still want powerful performance.

"A lot of people thought cruisers were going to get buyers who wanted to transition away from full-on sportbikes, but that's not happening..."

Gee, you think maybe the CB1300 might attract some of those rider?  But what'll happen when the Dullsville inevitably flops?  Honda will say, "See?  We tried to bring new, different bikes to the US market, but Americans just don't want them."  And consequently, they'll continue to deprive us of the wonderful bikes like the CB1300, CB1000R, etc.

[rajflyboy]

Schnee:

From the latest Cycle World Magazine:

Honda makes the Naked CBR 1000 in Italy and the cost to sell it here in the USA is too high!!  Wonder if the 1300 is in the same boat?

I'm with you.   I hate that i cannot buy one of these awesome machines here.  

[County Tar]

That's just it; sales flops cause manufacturers to stick to the same-old-same-old, not diversify.  My complaint isn't with diversity.  I want more diversity.  My complaint is with Honda's decision to bring bikes to the US market that are so overpriced they're destined to be flops - like the 599, DN-01 and Dullsville - that then cause manufacturers to give us more of the same-old-same-old, especially when Honda has bikes like that CB1300 that would obviously be successful here in the States.

Check out these quotes from the Cycle World article on the CB1000R.  



Gee, you think maybe the CB1300 might attract some of those rider?  But what'll happen when the Dullsville inevitably flops?  Honda will say, "See?  We tried to bring new, different bikes to the US market, but Americans just don't want them."  And consequently, they'll continue to deprive us of the wonderful bikes like the CB1300, CB1000R, etc.

Your argument only makes sense if you are interested in the CB1300, not the "Dullsville".  I like the idea of a light tourer.  Sure it could be updated some, with a little more power, but its purpose built to tour.  YMMV.

[Dave the slave]

I don't see much to draw me to the Deauville.  If it were near 450ish wet then it might be interesting, but as one other poster mentioned why not a Versys or V-Strom with some quality Givi bags and save $3000 or $4000 and have a much lighter bike with similar (or better) versatility.

Also, on the subject of variety...  Holy hell... the Deauville?  Seriously?  If there was ONE freaking bike that Honda makes that I want it's that damn CB1300F.  I've wanted one since I first laid eyes on a pic several years ago.  Why... Why... WHY not the CB1300F???  Geez....

... OR... that nice little concept bike they call the CB1100R.  I'd buy that tomorrow.

 

[Schneegz]

Schneegz:

From the latest Cycle World Magazine:

Honda makes the Naked CBR 1000 in Italy and the cost to sell it here in the USA is too high!!  Wonder if the 1300 is in the same boat?

I'm with you.   I hate that i cannot buy one of these awesome machines here.  

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the CB1300 is made in Japan.  I get the reason Honda doesn't sell the CB1000R here; the exchange rate makes the bike too expensive.  It's in Tuono territory, and most people won't pay as much for a Honda as they will for a comparable Aprilia.  

[Schneegz]

Your argument only makes sense if you are interested in the CB1300, not the "Dullsville".  I like the idea of a light tourer.  Sure it could be updated some, with a little more power, but its purpose built to tour.  YMMV.

No, my argument makes sense if a big enough number of people are interested in the CB1300 to make selling it in the States profitable, but the same is not true of the Dullsville.  I believe both those conditions hold true.  We may never know if CB1300 would be successful here, but we'll soon know if the Dullsville will fly or flop.  I believe it'll flop.

[KokomoSam]

I'm probably the only person in the US excited to see this bike coming here.

A lightweight shaftie with luggage?  Yes please.   

Edit:  But cheese n' rice, ten grand?  This bike hasn't changed in like a decade.

I have to add a +1 on both thoughts.

[Orson]

only Honda could make a v-twin as exciting as a lawn mower  

Here's how to do it right  



$7790 out the door  

[County Tar]

only Honda could make a v-twin as exciting as a lawn mower  

Here's how to do it right  



$7790 out the door  

Guzzi small block.  No longer available as a Breva in the US.  The V7 Classic is.  Nice looking.

[County Tar]

I don't see much to draw me to the Deauville.  If it were near 450ish wet then it might be interesting, but as one other poster mentioned why not a Versys or V-Strom with some quality Givi bags and save $3000 or $4000 and have a much lighter bike with similar (or better) versatility.

Also, on the subject of variety...  Holy hell... the Deauville?  Seriously?  If there was ONE freaking bike that Honda makes that I want it's that damn CB1300F.  I've wanted one since I first laid eyes on a pic several years ago.  Why... Why... WHY not the CB1300F???  Geez....

... OR... that nice little concept bike they call the CB1100R.  I'd buy that tomorrow.

 

So you want the CB1300 just like Schneegz?  Fine.  Some of us don't.

[County Tar]

No, my argument makes sense if a big enough number of people are interested in the CB1300 to make selling it in the States profitable, but the same is not true of the Dullsville.  I believe both those conditions hold true.  We may never know if CB1300 would be successful here, but we'll soon know if the Dullsville will fly or flop.  I believe it'll flop.

See my answer above.  I don't want the CB1300.  You do.