2010 Supermoto T

[expatbrit]

So...

Is it me, or does KTM list the weights differently than other manufacturers.

423lbs without fuel, as opposed to 440, or whatever, for the MTS1200 'dry'

Given how much my Sprint goes up from 'dry' to 'ready', if that's just adding 5gal of fuel
is the Katoom that much lighter than the MTS?

[some_finn]

The world's most expensive V-Strom.

It's painfully obvious you haven't tried the KTM...
Even by the specs: The V-Strom's dry weight is nearly the same as the Katooms curb weight, and of course the Brembo brakes and WP suspension are way higher spec etc.
Go test ride both and then try to convince yourself again they are the same  

[some_finn]

Is it me, or does KTM list the weights differently than other manufacturers.

There are many ways... For example BMW's "dry weight" means "without fluids" so apparently it includes the battery which many manufacturer's don't include in the "dry weight".
On the Ducati MTS1200 page here it says the dry weight is 417 lbs for the basic model and 423 for Sport and Touring models. So it looks like the MTS is a bit heavier but not quite as much as you suspected.

[expatbrit]

There are many ways... For example BMW's "dry weight" means "without fluids" so apparently it includes the battery which many manufacturer's don't include in the "dry weight".
On the Ducati MTS1200 page here it says the dry weight is 417 lbs for the basic model and 423 for Sport and Touring models. So it looks like the MTS is a bit heavier but not quite as much as you suspected.

Yeah. I thought a lot of places were 'dry' was no battery, no fluids, no nothing. (Again, witness the 100lbs or close to my Sprint gains from 'dry' to 'wet' weights. I'm not altogether sure how Ducati rates their 'dry'.

Ah well. I don't think  can afford an MTS1200S, and I can't find a KTM dealer to even sit on a 990 SM.

[vulcanbill]

I was just told that the KTM truck will be at JT Motorsports in April 3.  

[kendenton]

That's a bit far for me for a demo.... but I'm tempted.

[garry]

So...

Is it me, or does KTM list the weights differently than other manufacturers.

423lbs without fuel, as opposed to 440, or whatever, for the MTS1200 'dry'

Given how much my Sprint goes up from 'dry' to 'ready', if that's just adding 5gal of fuel
is the Katoom that much lighter than the MTS?

I believe there is a move among mfgrs to list "curb weight" which is ready to ride, but no fuel (or something close to that). That way mfgrs don't get dinged for offering a 5 gallon tank versus a 3.5 gallon one.

[expatbrit]

That's be smart, I think. At least then you can easily compare and figure it all out.

[AV8OR]

so any more news?

[mugwump58]

I saw $13,998 as the official price.

The question is ... 'when'!?

And where. I think I'll spend the evening and see if there is even a KTM "street" dealer left in the state.

[FizDog74]

I was just told that the KTM truck will be at JT Motorsports in April 3.  

I was there, and the bike is simply awesome to ride. Super comfy and relaxed ergos, good wind protection, light handling and one of the best transmissions I've experienced on a bike.



The fuel delivery was flawless too. What I can't understand though is why it is so good on this bike and the Super Duke, but so horrible on the 990 Adventure I also test rode the same day.   I have never experienced such horrendous on/off fueling as I did on the Adventure.

[R Doug]

What I can't understand though is why it is so good on this bike and the Super Duke, but so horrible on the 990 Adventure I also test rode the same day.   I have never experienced such horrendous on/off fueling as I did on the Adventure.

The Adventure's EFI delivery is pretty bad.  Like you, I can't understand how the other KTM 990 road bikes are fine and the Adventure is so wrong.  

[FizDog74]

The Adventure's EFI delivery is pretty bad.  Like you, I can't understand how the other KTM 990 road bikes are fine and the Adventure is so wrong.  

The last Adventure I rode was a 950 with all of the smog crap removed and was smooth like butta'. I have to say after Saturday, that I think I would be looking for an '06 950 with carbs.

[R Doug]

Though the Adventure's throttle is on/off-ish.  It's not been to the level of annoyance for me to do anyting about it.  I have read that a new cam throttle is a BIG help and performing the "canisterectomy" is another help.  I  can't speak to their effectiveness because I have not completed either one.  

What I can say is that with the addition of the Renazco Racing seat, the Adventure is as comfy as a Big GS.  The seat makes the bike nearly perfect for touring.  

RideWV had my Super Duke all day last Saturday with the exception of about 40 miles on the Adventure.  We agreed that the SM-T would most likely be the perfect blend of both bikes.  

[FizDog74]

RideWV had my Super Duke all day last Saturday with the exception of about 40 miles on the Adventure.  We agreed that the SM-T would most likely be the perfect blend of both bikes.  

If dirt was no consideration, it would be the obvious choice after riding them all back to back this weekend.

[Hotbrakes]

I was there, and the bike is simply awesome to ride. Super comfy and relaxed ergos, good wind protection, light handling and one of the best transmissions I've experienced on a bike.



The fuel delivery was flawless too. What I can't understand though is why it is so good on this bike and the Super Duke, but so horrible on the 990 Adventure I also test rode the same day.   I have never experienced such horrendous on/off fueling as I did on the Adventure.

How did you snap the pic with the guy I was standing next to in line and didn't get me?  Haha...wish I had known there were other STN'ers out there.  
My GF and I both rode the SMT.  What an amazing, comfy bike!  It definitely lived up to my expectations although the factory bags are teeny.  It has a very upright seating position with high bars and still retains a flickable chassis that mimics the SD.  But as long as I have a VFR and SD that combined cost me a little over half of a new SMT I'll be sticking with them.  KTM is doing a fine job of building phenomenal street bikes whose quality is much higher than the Japanese counterparts but those prices are a bit steep.
The RC8 was very comfortable as well but there was only one available to demo and we didn't have enough time to wait.  

[FizDog74]

Ha! I figured someone from this forum had to be there. Sorry I missed you. I agree the price is a bit steep, but most euro bikes are these days. A slightly used one a year or two from now wouldn't be out of the question though.  

[Spiffious]

I was there, and the bike is simply awesome to ride. Super comfy and relaxed ergos, good wind protection, light handling and one of the best transmissions I've experienced on a bike.

lol....  I was there too.  The guy in the blue jacket is a buddy that went with me.  I had just gotten through the line.  I took the black Buell 1125cr that was parked there... I think I saw the STN VFR there.    

I didn't ride the SMT, but I did ride the SD990, and the RC8.  The RC8 was amazingly comfortable... beautiful bike.  I was surprised to find my 1125 felt revvier and faster SOTP on the ride home.  But I did love the KTMs.

[atadaskew]

The Adventure's EFI delivery is pretty bad.  Like you, I can't understand how the other KTM 990 road bikes are fine and the Adventure is so wrong.  

The one I demoed a while back was horrendous.  Also surgy on a constant throttle.  And I wanted that bike until then.  I keep hearing about fixes, but this begs the question as to why the factory/dealerships/whoever don't fix it before the public gets their hands on them.

[Kraz]

This bike looks like the total package.  

I've heard bad maintenance/reliability stories about KTM's and don't really think that's something I want to get into - but I really like the bike - it may be worth the leap.  Good to hear the fueling is right though - I figured it'd be similar to some other KTM's, which I heard was horrible.

Either way, 14 g's (is that with bags?) is a bit high for me - but certainly isn't out of line with the rest of the market.

EDIT: Sat on one - not bad - Adventure seems better and more like a do-it-all for me...