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« Reply #520 on: February 04, 2010, 08:34:39 AM »




+1  Lol

Ok, I know I quoted an MCN article and all, but it sure sounds official from the detail provided...

A Ducati statement reads: “Doubling the mileage between valve clearance inspection has been made possible with the introduction of a new valve seat material combined with improved combustion efficiency and temperature management designed into the Multistrada’s new Testastretta 11° engine.”

I think it came from Ducati UK, and further in it says it was a press release.

Just because Ducati NA doesn't know, doesn't mean it's not true. I think everyone else that are serious about buying the bike and saw it at the U.S. bike show are in the same boat as me. I knew waayyy more about the bike than the sales-rep.  Razz
 


I am just telling you what is official and what is not here in the US, not saying it's not true, just not official information.  I am a very well informed Ducati dealer and we tend to stay on top of all the latest info on the one brand we sell...Ducati.   I doubt if it will be any different here in the US..


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« Reply #521 on: February 04, 2010, 08:37:17 AM »

If this revised maintenance schedule turns out to be true, and spreads to the rest of the range, I could see a Ducati in my future!

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« Reply #522 on: February 04, 2010, 09:07:55 AM »

Looks pretty official to me  Bigsmile

http://www.ducati.com/news/multistrada_1200_arrives_with_more__strada__between_major_services/2010/02/04/index.do
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« Reply #523 on: February 04, 2010, 11:06:38 AM »



agreed, we are still waiting on word from DNA about all the intervals and what will be required..  trust me it is frustrating to us not to have anything official in writing from Ducati NA!!  Crazy
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« Reply #524 on: February 04, 2010, 06:24:39 PM »



Nice! ... this will definitely make the Multi more attractive for those who hate the 7,500 mi maintenance interval and cost of maintenance.

Any word on the weak 3 amp power plug?
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« Reply #525 on: February 04, 2010, 10:37:32 PM »




Nice! ... this will definitely make the Multi more attractive for those who hate the 7,500 mi maintenance interval and cost of maintenance.

Any word on the weak 3 amp power plug?


The interval is still there...the question is what is done at the 7500 service and how much are the tools for the 15k service.
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« Reply #526 on: February 04, 2010, 11:47:59 PM »



...I am a very well informed Ducati dealer and we tend to stay on top of all the latest info on the one brand we sell...Ducati...


 Bigok  I have no doubt what you say is true, but I think you could be the exception and not the rule. Bummer your hands are kinda tied by Ducati NA. Just a little playful sassing on my part.  Bigsmile

Seems like it would have been better for Ducati if they published the extended service intervals along with the initial press release. My guess is they thought it was theoretically possible with the changes they made in the engine, but were waiting for their tester guys in the wild to rack up some serious miles and return to the nest for inspection before they made it official.
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« Reply #527 on: February 05, 2010, 10:13:00 AM »

As expected, Ducati NA falls in line with maint program:

http://www.ducati.com/od/ducatinorthamerica/news/detail.jhtml?newsId=31642
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« Reply #528 on: February 05, 2010, 10:16:14 AM »

I'm so gonna love hacking this bikes ECU in a couple of years. Smile   Bigsmile
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« Reply #529 on: February 05, 2010, 10:48:26 AM »


As expected, Ducati NA falls in line with maint program:

http://www.ducati.com/od/ducatinorthamerica/news/detail.jhtml?newsId=31642


Ducati had "new valve seat material" years ago. Many if not most Ducati riders will say once the collets are pounded down, they stay in spec for 12-18K, some report even (much) higher intervals: 1 ST4s rider stated his stayed in spec for 40K! The need for frequent, expensive Ducati shim adjustments has always been made out to be a bigger issue than it is IMO.  

I can't say I can see how the 11* overlap will increase shim adjustment intervals.  Headscratch  
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« Reply #530 on: February 05, 2010, 11:02:24 AM »

Well, I suspect that part if it is that this bike is being marketed to riders that typically put more miles on their bikes than the average Ducati rider.  Having a 7500 maint interval would have been a detriment to many buyers.  15K is pretty doable.

The decision is probably 75% marketing, 25% engineering. Bigsmile
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« Reply #531 on: February 05, 2010, 11:31:20 PM »

I can't say I can see how the 11* overlap will increase shim adjustment intervals.  Headscratch  


The article quotes:
"Doubling the mileage between valve clearance inspections has been made possible due to the introduction of a new valve seat material. This material enables the new "Testastretta 11°" powerplant to go the distance - both literally and figuratively. Incorporating improved combustion efficiency and a new temperature management system, the Testastretta 11° engine ushers in a new era of service and reliability."

It sounds like the valve seat material is even newer than what they currently have been using.  The temperature managment system may have a bearing on how parts wear over time.  Plus, keep in mind that this engine has a somewhat lower RPM power curve, so this engine is likely to have less overall revs on it over a 15K mile period than say a 1198 engine.
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« Reply #532 on: February 06, 2010, 05:48:45 AM »


...It sounds like the valve seat material is even newer than what they currently have been using.  The temperature managment system may have a bearing on how parts wear over time.  Plus, keep in mind that this engine has a somewhat lower RPM power curve, so this engine is likely to have less overall revs on it over a 15K mile period than say a 1198 engine.


Yes, the material may be updated, but I'd love to know what it is, I think the last time I read about upgraded seat metalury they actually stated thay added something like "berilium"(?),.... don't quote me on that. Smile

The "heat management system", (I like that one) speaks to better intake and combustion, but once agian, I can't see how that will lead to fewer shim adjustements as certainly, the temps can't be *that* much lower, if lower is what they mean, and if they are, carboning might be an issue.(?)

The engine might rev lower than a 1098 sbk, ie "tuned for torque" but it doesn't rev lower than my ST3. (makes a heck of a lot more power though Smile )

I think I'm like many Ducati owners who feel the "new" mileage intervals they now quote are achievable by all modern, say post 2002, Ducatis, and that the "new" intervals is merely a marketing thing to help promote the bike to the ST market segment, since service intervals seems a big issue for so many,  even though one could virtually go "coast to coast" with the "old" intervals. Wink  
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« Reply #533 on: February 06, 2010, 06:20:12 AM »



...I think I'm like many Ducati owners who feel the "new" mileage intervals they now quote are achievable by all modern, say post 2002, Ducatis, and that the "new" intervals is merely a marketing thing to help promote the bike to the ST market segment, since service intervals seems a big issue for so many,  even though one could virtually go "coast to coast" with the "old" intervals. Wink  


Of course, anyone could go coast-to-coast-to-coast on the 'old' intervals, it's only 6k miles (if you do the straight shot, say from San Francisco to Virginia Beach and back). Though, you may be right, Ducati was raping their customers for unnecessary service intervals since '02. Good thing I'm stepping in right when they pushed the 'un-rape' button... Bigsmile
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« Reply #534 on: February 06, 2010, 08:53:38 AM »




Of course, anyone could go coast-to-coast-to-coast on the 'old' intervals, it's only 6k miles (if you do the straight shot, say from San Francisco to Virginia Beach and back). Though, you may be right, Ducati was raping their customers for unnecessary service intervals since '02. Good thing I'm stepping in right when they pushed the 'un-rape' button... Bigsmile


The reason I mention 2002 is that when I "believe", and I could be wrong on this, they made some changes to the valve seats, belt construction and the electronics for greater durability/reliability. The thing is, with desmos, the seats don't get hammered like with poppet valves, so that's why I'm  Headscratch  about the higher mileage being attributed in part to hardened valve seats, but whatever works works, it's all good. Smile    

I'm also wonder if the new heat management feature is in refernce to the body work, not the 11* engine, ie the 999-esque winglets. (?)
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« Reply #535 on: February 08, 2010, 10:09:07 AM »


If this revised maintenance schedule turns out to be true, and spreads to the rest of the range, I could see a Ducati in my future!

 :popcorn:


+1...this is great news.
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« Reply #536 on: February 08, 2010, 11:24:12 AM »

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« Reply #537 on: February 08, 2010, 01:48:43 PM »

Finally got to sit on the new Multistrada on Saturday in Minneapolis at the Motorcycle Show.  I was bummed that the seat height is still too tall for me to be comfortable, otherwise it looks good.  I hated the pictures of the beak, but as others have said- it isn't as bad in person(of course they only had an S model with lots of Carbon Fiber, maybe the beak will look funny on a white one.  
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« Reply #538 on: February 08, 2010, 01:52:54 PM »

I seriously hope this bike has some serious flaw exposed or I will be forced to buy one. Bigsmile
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« Reply #539 on: February 08, 2010, 02:49:44 PM »


I seriously hope this bike has some serious flaw exposed or I will be forced to buy one. Bigsmile


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