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"It's difficult to put them in a ranking, Look they all got
different personalities and strengths and weakness... but it
certainly shows out of all this that they are heading in the direction
and Arilia leading that and BMW is not far behind, they are going down
to this Gp styled motorcycle".

(Gardner's comments are telling and I agree... MotoGp is the path that
leads to the future... look for a rise in "virtual V4s and real V4s... V2s and
status quo I4s will be on the wane)...



Aprilia
"The one that stood out in particular for sharp and accurate steering a
bit like a Gp bike was the Aprilia, in summary that was the best bike
today, because it was very precise point squirt good power, I wouldn't
say the faster power but it certainly had the most directional
confidence inspiring chassis and gives very good feed back for the
tires on the track" I'd say the Aprilia in summary, the total, and
the one I'm the fastest on, gave me the most confidence on".

(The notion that the Aprilia handles like poop is now laid to rest)...


Yamaha
"I was expecting more of it, it's probably got the best and the
strongest motor but to get that bike around the corner really
surprised me today and it reaffirms just how good Ben Spies is on
riding that thing. I believe he has won on not the best bike and I
think it is a testament on his ability. The Yamaha is a good mid
ranger."

(Gardner would probably like the backward spinning crank of the M1 which
cancels a good portion of the I4s gyroscopic procession)...


Ducati
"One of the best bikes around here is the Ducati. The Ducati is a lot
lot of fun because the big V twin power and it's trackable power,
thats a fun bike here at this track."

(90º Big Bang V2s are fun but wait till he gets his hands on the D16RR)...

BMW
"I'd say the Aprilia in summary, the total, and the one I'm the
fastest on, gave me the most confidence inspiring on but also just
behind the Aprilia was the BMW. The BMW steers very very precisely and
very very good considering it has a across the frame 4 cylinder. and
out of all the 4 cylinders I think it was better than the Honda,
probably the best handling 4 cylinder."

(Yep it's good considering its the widest engine possible)...


Honda
The Honda is always very fast and very good...

(So fews words... I think Honda's CBR1000RR ain't very impressive and
therefore it should be replaced with a V4 by HRC)...


Kawasaki
"The Kawasaki was a big surprised as well, that was right up there, and
I think it probably gave me one of the best lap times. but its
confidence inspiring but the problem they got with the Kawasaki is
that there traction control is too strong, and when you get off a
corner and soon as you open the throttle it's DA DA DA DA, it doesn't
give you that rider confidence feeling, it's doesn't relate to the
throttle to the back tire and it very hard to understand that. But the
lap time was very good so I think if they fix that up, tune that up,
it could be a very strong competitor here in the Supers"...

(Not all engine architectures are equal... some need less traction control
while others need more... which may sap drive and confidence... I think
Kawasaki is working in it's own "virtual V4")


Suzuki
"I think probably the weakest bike today was the Suzuki. The Suzuki
feels big, feels old fashion, and its got a great engine but I think
the chassis and everything around it is a bit out dated. I think the
Japanese need to do some work to pick their game up and come to the
front runners"

(When is Suzuki going to anted up a dedicated homologated racer??? their
converted street bikes don't impress)...
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2009, 09:46:26 AM »

The bike he thought would be the best had the strongest motor (Yamaha) and the bike he went fastest on he did so because of the chassis (Aprilia).
But somehow, to you, this is a "V4 thing"? Headscratch You are a pisser Larry. Lol
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2009, 09:57:27 AM »



But somehow, to you, this is a "V4 thing"? Headscratch You are a pisser Larry. Lol


Yamaha's "virtual V4 has been coined by respected MotoGP journalist
Michael Scott who has been a motoring journalist for almost 40 years
and has attended almost every motorcycle Gp since 1984, as well  as
contributing to magazines worldwide, including Japan, USA, Australia,
and Europe.

Quote Scott:

"How had he managed to defeat not only Biaggi, but also Gibernau in
third? The Yamaha was the underdog, very much the junior to the V5
Honda. The answer lay in the exhaust note. Rossi's bike growled rather
than howled. The upgrade Yamaha had promised their new rider ran deep.
It was nothing more than a revival of the same sort of Big Bang
principal that had served Honda so well in 1992. In the modern
context, it turned an in-line engine into a virtual V4. Most
importantly, it made the bike more friendly to the rider, kinder to
the tyres and easier to ride to the limit. During the season, Suzuki,
Ducati and Proton would follow on with revised "Big Bang" or "Long
Bang" firing intervals of their own. Kawasaki were the only exception,
for Honda's V5 had this characteristic built in."

More V4 references... it's a good thing no???

2009 Bike Magazine


2009 motorcycle.com
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2009-yamaha-r1-review-87844.html
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 10:04:52 AM »

In the early days of Rossi's Yamaha career, he won races purely on handling.  His bike got in real deep and held a very tight line.  If you watch Rossi's very first race in Joberg, this is so obvious it's painful.  Biaggi's Honda was running wide-he simply couldn't get his turned or go in as deep as Rossi.
Since then, Rossi clearly has his bike set up for hard on the brakes, hold a line.  We've seen evidence of this time and time again.
The rest is electronics, just like everyone else.
Michael Scott's comments are intended to make the reader understand what they are reading.  He's using metaphor.
He is playing on people's perception of what a V4 "Feels" like. Wink
A more accurate description (And one he used in the article you posted) is "Big bang".  
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2009, 05:20:49 AM »

Interesting about the Yamaha not being so easy to deal with. So, this from a guy who knew all too well about "ill handling machines" and how to make them somehow remain on the tarmac, (somtimes). Guess he's right about that Spies lad, the real deal.

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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2009, 06:36:28 AM »

I dunno about this Gardner guy,he looks old a and fat.I wonder what lap times he was able to achieve.
Unless he has got to within 1-2 seconds from the top guys his feed back is pretty much useless.It reminds me of Alan Cathcart circulating 20 seconds off the pace on Moto Gp machine and later writing reviews  ,,,,,

If the Aprilla and BMW were such a wonderful machines how come they had rather dismal season ? Headscratch
He claims Yamaha has the strongest engine yet Spies complained all year long about lock of acceleration,Bitchie`s RSV4 on the other hand was stupidly fast at the and of straightaways,,,anyone could see it,,,,,, Headscratch

Unless you toss current topotheline rider on SBK or MotoGP machine all those end of the season reviews by journalist or guys how were fast 20 years ago only have entertainment value.

 
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2009, 08:58:22 AM »

Wow tomek. I thought I was bad about baiting DFH.  Lol

I think an ex-500cc World Champion has enough knowledge of bikes to compare modern machinery. If Schwantz or Roberts had made those comments, would you have the same reaction? Gardner, in particular, is familiar with finding the limits.


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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2009, 03:38:27 PM »


Wow tomek. I thought I was bad about baiting DFH.  Lol

 If Schwantz or Roberts had made those comments, would you have the same reaction?



Well,34 is in shape,he did fit his old leathers with no drama at Indy when he took his old Zuki for couple of "parade" laps.( he wasted about 1/2 lap before he started sliding the front tire,guy is still a lunatic).
BTW,just for the record,I did pass him on the race track once,the fact that he wuz on 125 and I  was on liter bike had nothing to do.I smoked him purely on skills,man.Those 1 mile long straightaways at Road America did not help me either.  Wink

 The King,well,I don`t think he could do competitive laps without some long training,but for the record,I did not say that.
I`m pretty sure he could track me down and kick my ass.

BTW,I did not try to bait DFH.  
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2009, 03:49:37 PM »

Wayne is another great natural Australian rider.  Too bad Honda left him out to dry not giving him the bike he wanted.  Mick Doohan took over from him and the rest is history.

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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2009, 05:11:39 PM »

Rainey described Gardner as being more out of control than Schwantz. EEK! Lol
I would trust Gardner's impression of riding these bikes. Wink  
Tomek, you sound like an "Actor" working the dinner theater circuit in Beloit, WI questioning the acting prowess of Al PAcino. Lol
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2009, 06:09:38 PM »

You know,even guys like Al Pacino deliver crappy performances from time to time. Wink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxYkHrQiT8c

BTW,there is decent race track in Beloit.

 
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BTW,I did not try to bait DFH.  


You should try it some time. Its great fun. Bigsmile
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You know,even guys like Al Pacino deliver crappy performances from time time. Wink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxYkHrQiT8c

BTW,there is decent race track in Beloit.

 



Sure, but their dinner theater sucks. Razz
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2009, 04:02:43 AM »


I dunno about this Gardner guy,he looks old a and fat.I wonder what lap times he was able to achieve.
Unless he has got to within 1-2 seconds from the top guys his feed back is pretty much useless.It reminds me of Alan Cathcart circulating 20 seconds off the pace on Moto Gp machine and later writing reviews  ,,,,,

If the Aprilla and BMW were such a wonderful machines how come they had rather dismal season ? Headscratch
He claims Yamaha has the strongest engine yet Spies complained all year long about lock of acceleration,Bitchie`s RSV4 on the other hand was stupidly fast at the and of straightaways,,,anyone could see it,,,,,, Headscratch

...this Gardner guy...wonder what lap times... Lol

Unless you toss current topotheline rider on SBK or MotoGP machine all those end of the season reviews by journalist or guys how were fast 20 years ago only have entertainment value.

 
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