Erik Buell Racing

[falconati]

yup, that sounds about right

Cmon Brad!  You can do better than that.  Your trolling has been mediocre, but this post was just poor form.  The trolling is too obvious.  Get back to your higher-quality trolling please - think of the children

[Brad1445]

Cmon Brad!  You can do better than that.  Your trolling has been mediocre, but this post was just poor form.  The trolling is too obvious.  Get back to your higher-quality trolling please - think of the children

I don't understand how I am a Troll for being upset that my favorite bike manufacture had the golden ring within their grasp and blew it.  Not due to economy, but a poorly styled, poorly designed,  non tested low build quality laughing stalk of the industry.  NOt for one year but for three.  Tarnishing the brand name beyond repair.

I don't understand how I go from being an evangelist to a troll due to a failure of Buell management.

If they are now the Edsel's of motorcycles i now have 5 Edsel's in my history,  how would you feel after years of  evangelizing you are presented with a indefensible product blunder that never should have occurred.

Ingredients for 1125

1. Good handing XB bike type frame.
+
2. Engine from Best Manufacture in the world Rotax
=
FUBAR




American manufacturing is dying and no one seems to care.

[falconati]

Now THAT'S the kind of post I expect!  

[Brad1445]

Now THAT'S the kind of post I expect!  

LOL

[whodom]

I don't understand how I am a Troll for being upset that my favorite bike manufacture had the golden ring within their grasp and blew it.  Not due to economy, but a poorly styled, poorly designed,  non tested low build quality laughing stalk of the industry.  NOt for one year but for three.  Tarnishing the brand name beyond repair.

You're a troll because you keep chanting this "low build quality" myth.  Yes, the early 08's had some quality issues.  THEY WERE FIXED.  How do you get "poorly designed"?  Where do you get "tarnishing the brand name beyond repair"?  If most people thought the bikes were really that bad, do you think they'd buy them at any price?  The problems with the 1125's were nothing compared to the recalls on early tubers, which surprisingly most people managed to get past.  There is no wide-spread perception that current Buells are low-quality.  

Not even the most ardent Buell fan would claim these were the best-looking bikes ever built- but we now know that Buell was working to improve that.  Like I said before, you have no freaking idea what constraints Buell was under when the 1125's were introduced.  Maybe it took 3 years to work a complete re-style into the budget.  

Mainly you're a troll because you've stated you're glad Buell went under because they deserved to and you continue to belittle Erik's efforts to keep something going.  You NEVER have one positive comment about anything Buell related.  Nobody can post anything about Buell without you jumping on the thread with this endless rant.  THAT is being a troll.

BTW, Sportrider, a mag not known for loving Buells, just posted their Ducati Streetfighter/Buell CR comparison test.  Guess which bike won?  

http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0912_buell_1125cr_ducati_streetfighter_comparison_test/index.html

[JTM]

Mainly you're annoying because you've stated you're glad Buell went under because they deserved to and you continue to belittle Erik's efforts to keep something going. You NEVER have one positive comment about anything 1125 related. Nobody can post anything about 1125s without you jumping on the thread with this endless rant.  THAT is being a annoying.

I fixed that for you

Now if anyone is going to get called a Troll is should be Tpoppa, he registered in Oct and 60 of his 70 post are just antagonizing Brad.

[Tpoppa]

I fixed that for you

Now if anyone is going to get called a Troll is should be Tpoppa, he registered in Oct and 60 of his 70 post are just antagonizing Brad.

You are certainly welcome to your opinion.  However, in a good number of my posts I have provided factual, supporting information for my opinions.  When I have asked Brad to supply any real information to support his strongly held opinions, he has become oddly silent...and even admitted he's never ridden an 1125.

[Tpoppa]

You're a troll because you keep chanting this "low build quality" myth.  Yes, the early 08's had some quality issues.  THEY WERE FIXED.  How do you get "poorly designed"?  Where do you get "tarnishing the brand name beyond repair"?  If most people thought the bikes were really that bad, do you think they'd buy them at any price?  The problems with the 1125's were nothing compared to the recalls on early tubers, which surprisingly most people managed to get past.  There is no wide-spread perception that current Buells are low-quality.  

Not even the most ardent Buell fan would claim these were the best-looking bikes ever built- but we now know that Buell was working to improve that.  Like I said before, you have no freaking idea what constraints Buell was under when the 1125's were introduced.  Maybe it took 3 years to work a complete re-style into the budget.  

Mainly you're a troll because you've stated you're glad Buell went under because they deserved to and you continue to belittle Erik's efforts to keep something going.  You NEVER have one positive comment about anything Buell related.  Nobody can post anything about Buell without you jumping on the thread with this endless rant.  THAT is being a troll.

BTW, Sportrider, a mag not known for loving Buells, just posted their Ducati Streetfighter/Buell CR comparison test.  Guess which bike won?  

http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0912_buell_1125cr_ducati_streetfighter_comparison_test/index.html

Good post.

[whodom]

I fixed that for you

There is some validity to what you say, except that Brad will also manage to inject his opinion of the 1125 into any Buell-related thread.  So even if the thread doesn't start off talking about 1125's (this one for instance) it still gets brought up.  

[Brad1445]

Mainly you're a troll because you've stated you're glad Buell went under because they deserved to a.........

I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT>


I never said I was glad they are gone, there is why the passion.

I DID PREDICT IT.

but its far from what I wanted, a huge difference between those two.
If they had finished the 1125 before release we both would be happy right now.

If you read Bad web, Anonymous, Blake and Court have consistently stated the 1125 was not a product brought to market with any constraints, that is how they wanted the bike to look. AS far as quality its naive to even say there is not quality issues, ie clutch weep, speedometers freaking out, tail light,  mysterious battery drains,  just to mention a few

They proudly state the 1125 is exactly the bike they wanted to bring to market.

That pride killed Buell.

You could have picked any 10 random high school students that could have done a better job in in managing of Buell in quality control, design and marketing, then the current (former) managers of Buell

If it makes people fell better to blame me, then go ahead, I killed Buell.

[Brad1445]

I fixed that for you

Now if anyone is going to get called a Troll is should be Tpoppa, he registered in Oct and 60 of his 70 post are just antagonizing Brad.

Thank you for looking beyond the emotion and to the facts.  THANK YOU!

[Tpoppa]

If you read Bad web, Anonymous, Blake and Court have consistently stated the 1125 was not a product brought to market with any constraints, that is how they wanted the bike to look.

So you think that Buell had unlimited money and time for R & D.  If HD's mgmt (some of whom were not Buell/sportbike friendly) imposed an unrealistic timeline, say before the EFI was sorted, to meet the 25th year anniversary, would you be aware of this inside information?

Blake owns a forum, he is not an insider.  Court is to a degree, but what he knows is rarely shared.  Are you assuming that anonymous = Erik?  Consider your sources.

Given more resources, I suspect you would have seen a redesigned tail section rather tham reusing the Firebolt's tail.  Regardless, the styling is as it is.

AS far as quality its naive to even say there is not quality issues, ie clutch weep, speedometers freaking out, tail light,  mysterious battery drains,  just to mention a few

It is far more naive to claim there are quality issues with based on NO experience.  If 1 person posts a taillight problem on a forum, that doesn't indicate a widespread problem.  Look at other manufacturer forums, there are problems reported on all of them.  It's IMPOSSIBLE to be able to know the frequency of issues with access to data owned by HD.

The overwhelming majority of 1125 owners are happy with their bikes.  Your assumption regarding quality is incorrect.

You could have picked any 10 random high school students that could have done a better job in in managing of Buell in quality control, design and marketing, then the current (former) managers of Buell

If you actually believe this, honestly...this statement says more about YOU.  

I will concede their was some questionable marketing that was not in Buell's best interest.  That blame should should be properly directed...and Buell didn't have a marketing dept.

[Brad1445]

ok

[ninegear]

Not even the most ardent Buell fan would claim these were the best-looking bikes ever built- but we now know that Buell was working to improve that.  

i second that. buells were by far the second ugliest motorcycles ever. i think BMW is worse though. cept their new sportbike caled the sr1000 or soemthing like that. they also got another bike that looks cool

[ninegear]

ok

what? no snappy comeback to anyone elses posts about you?

kid just admit your defeated. go play world of warcraft i'm sure your parents will pay for it.go play runescape if they don't.

i checked the new www.erikbuellracing.com website.hopefully it stays up for awhile. and hopefully HD decides to change their minds about closing buell for good.

[Brad1445]

k

[Busy Little Whiner]

Quote Sportrider Jan 2010 issue:

"Much of the current upheaval in AMA Pro road racing (Honda announced
they are pulling out of AMA roadracing, with Kawasaki likely to follow
suit; Suzuki will be cutting back drastically on its roadracing
efforts) is a result of the controversy surrounding the accusations of
the organization's favoritism toward Buell, with the homologation
approval of the company's 1125RR superbike (in obvious violation of
the AMA rulebook) being a pointed example."

[dorklord]

"Much of the current upheaval in AMA Pro road racing (Honda announced
they are pulling out of AMA roadracing, with Kawasaki likely to follow
suit; Suzuki will be cutting back drastically on its roadracing
efforts) is a result of the controversy surrounding the accusations of
the organization's favoritism toward Buell, with the homologation
approval of the company's 1125RR superbike (in obvious violation of
the AMA rulebook) being a pointed example."

Personally I think that those decisions were a load of crap, but I can't hold that against Buell; this wasn't a factory race team, it was privateers taking a bike and competing with it. It is also hard to blame the teams, I mean you go, you race, if the rules give you an advantage you take it. It looks like DMG was simply aiming for a misguided ideal of putting an American bike in a winning position.

This wanders a little off topic, but I think it is related enough: there's trouble in AMA road racing, and that leaves the idea of Erik Buell Racing in a precarious position. What if DMG changes the rules in view of last year's events and the outcry that followed? What if they want the 1125RR to race the bigger bikes from now on, or they ban the RR and only allow the R? What if they just increase the minimum weight for the 1125? Will anyone want to race the 1125 then? Is there enough interest from private individuals, in either club-level racing or track day riders, to keep EBR going?

What if the manufacturers do pull out? What if they don't have enough bikes in the field because of lowered prize money? We've got 2 serious issues here, we've got the possibility that not enough fans will show up at the track for races, and that can be a domino effect with advertising at the track, vendors and all that, where suddenly tracks decide they can't make the money on the race and suddenly we don't have any tracks to host the races.

The other issue is that if we don't have enough bikes in the field, it won't draw ratings on TV, again revenue falls, but this time its going to be DMG that won't be making enough money.

[chornbe]

Personally I think that those decisions were a load of crap, but I can't hold that against Buell; this wasn't a factory race team, it was privateers taking a bike and competing with it. It is also hard to blame the teams, I mean you go, you race, if the rules give you an advantage you take it. It looks like DMG was simply aiming for a misguided ideal of putting an American bike in a winning position.

That was my position, too. Buell was taking flack for the rules permitting the bikes, and for privateers taking advantage of it.

That's like suing the bug spray company because you served Raid to your 4 year old.  

[Tpoppa]

I think the mystery of the Yellow Barracuda II was solved with the 185 RWHP 1190RR.

Anyone know if 185 RWHP is in line with WSBK bikes?