$15,999 for VFR1200

[Orson]

I remember trying to get across a stretch of Nevada with my chin on the tank, at 55 mph hoping there was a gas station on the horizon  

lookin' at a night time satellite photo of the U.S. confirms my suspicions.

Nevada lies in pitch darkness  

[TuffguyF4i]

Yeah, here on the East Coast, you know from ME all the way to FL, passing such great riding states as ME, VT, PA, VA, GA and NC to name a few, we only ride max 75 miles before we fall into the ocean.....sorry, we have no use for a long range touring bike like people in "the west coast"....

Well, thats true, if you only travel east.  

The east coast really is populated enough so that you really would have to work to find 50 miles between stations.  I have ridden and driven well over 200,000 miles in 'these parts' and very rarely have had to worry about gas at all.  I've lived 6months to a year in ME, NY, CT, SC, NC, GA, and PA.  

[marc11]

Well, thats true, if you only travel east.  

The east coast really is populated enough so that you really would have to work to find 50 miles between stations.  I have ridden and driven well over 200,000 miles in 'these parts' and very rarely have had to worry about gas at all.  I've lived 6months to a year in ME, NY, CT, SC, NC, GA, and PA.  

I can easily put you in places in ME, NY, GA and NC where you can ride 100 miles with no gas station, do it at night on a Sunday and that goes up even more.  I think we are over generalizing things, no?  And I think your statement is true for the West Coast too, it is pretty damn populated, if you stick the the word "coast".  I just found the OP statemet a bit funny, even the Europe comment, those boys travel pretty long distances, the point about the tank range is not so much worrying about finding fuel every 150 miles, it is more about having to stop every 150 miles whether you want to or not.  Where that happens in the world is rather moot IMHO.

[chornbe]

Well, thats true, if you only travel east.  

The east coast really is populated enough so that you really would have to work to find 50 miles between stations.  I have ridden and driven well over 200,000 miles in 'these parts' and very rarely have had to worry about gas at all.  I've lived 6months to a year in ME, NY, CT, SC, NC, GA, and PA.  

Yeah, but it's not about "have to". If I'm in a groove in the mountains, the last thing I wanna do is screw my mojo by stopping if *I* can go another hour or another 50 miles of twisties or whatever the case. *I'M* good for between 2-3 hours before I *want* to stop and 3-4 hours before I *have* to stop. Depending on fuel range and riding style, that's totally doable. I'd *prefer* the bike to be that flexible.

However, in all fairness, if I wanted this bike, I wouldn't let the range be a deciding factor on anything but bottom line price. I'd add a way to carry more fuel if I were heading across the open stretches and I'd likely *NEVER* take it on the highway, where 3-hour stretches is the norm.

[maddjack]

heck there were sections in in the dacks where Fuel was tight after 6pm,you need range period,east ,west whatever,the US is big ,not Euro sized

[marc11]

heck there were sections in in the dacks where Fuel was tight after 6pm,you need range period,east ,west whatever,the US is big ,not Euro sized

That's what I am saying, heck, you can get into parts of the Catskills and need 50 plus miles to find an open gas station at times.

[scottzilla]

150 miles is OK for me.  Frankly, I think if I owned a C14 or FJR I would still be hitting reserve at about the 150 mile mark anyway simply because I ride like a maniac.

[nwconk]

I can easily put you in places in ME, NY, GA and NC where you can ride 100 miles with no gas station, do it at night on a Sunday and that goes up even more.  I think we are over generalizing things, no?  And I think your statement is true for the West Coast too, it is pretty damn populated, if you stick the the word "coast".  I just found the OP statemet a bit funny, even the Europe comment, those boys travel pretty long distances, the point about the tank range is not so much worrying about finding fuel every 150 miles, it is more about having to stop every 150 miles whether you want to or not.  Where that happens in the world is rather moot IMHO.

I could put you on some interstates in the West where it is over 200 miles to the next "service".  You may not want to stop in the East, but you usually can.  There are places in the West where you run into pretty long next service signs.  

I guess comprehension sometimes suffers.  It's not that you, or the Europeans, don't ride long distances, it is that you usually don't have long distances between services.  This is not an attack on your manhood, or p*** length, it is about population density and geography.

--a bemused chris  
 

[marc11]

I could put you on some interstates in the West where it is over 200 miles to the next "service".  You may not want to stop in the East, but you usually can.  There are places in the West where you run into pretty long next service signs.  

I guess comprehension sometimes suffers.  It's not that you, or the Europeans, don't ride long distances, it is that you usually don't have long distances between services.  This is not an attack on your manhood, or p*** length, it is about population density and geography.

--a bemused chris  
 

Seriously, this is the pissing contest you want to make here?  Which state has areas with the furthest service stations?  Clearly a new low for STN, can we somehow spin this into a HD bash to bring it full circle?

[chornbe]

Seriously, this is the pissing contest you want to make here?  Which state has areas with the furthest service stations?  Clearly a new low for STN, can we somehow spin this into a HD bash to bring it full circle?

My 'Glide had a 6-gallon tank and before I wasted money (yes, wasted!!!) putting on the stupid pipes and powerpak thing (to cool it down) from whoever it was, I got ~50 MPG. That's 300 miles bitch!!! BITE IT!!!

(I had to work really hard to get 200 miles from a tank after that bullshit mod and ya know...? It really didn't run all that much cooler anyway.)

[marc11]

My 'Glide had a 6-gallon tank and before I wasted money (yes, wasted!!!) putting on the stupid pipes and powerpak thing (to cool it down) from whoever it was, I got ~50 MPG. That's 300 miles bitch!!! BITE IT!!!

(I had to work really hard to get 200 miles from a tank after that bullshit mod and ya know...? It really didn't run all that much cooler anyway.)

   My question about turning it into a HD bash was rhetorical of course...

[chornbe]

It's gonna happen. Might as well jump start it.  

[scottzilla]

I could put you on some interstates in the West where it is over 200 miles to the next "service".  You may not want to stop in the East, but you usually can.  There are places in the West where you run into pretty long next service signs.  

I guess comprehension sometimes suffers.  It's not that you, or the Europeans, don't ride long distances, it is that you usually don't have long distances between services.  This is not an attack on your manhood, or p*** length, it is about population density and geography.

--a bemused chris  
 

He showed me his penis and it's OK for a little white boy.

Let's face it: I find it hard to believe Honda's marketing scheme is to cater to people who live 200+ miles between gas stations, simply because if you live in this sort of place it's what's generally referred to as a "Small town" and doesn't have enough population to warrant aggressive marketing or advertising.
99% of the people buying a VFR will have less than 200 miles between gas stations.

[marc11]

Hey I prefer off white in the summer, brite white in the winter!

[Aero]

According to today's MCN there will be a touring version of the VFR with a 25 litre tank which will give a much better range. I got the impression that this is not the new ST though, I guess that will have more touring farkles. I just hope that the much talked about variable cylinder cutout system will give better mpg than I've heard of so far.

[nwconk]

Seriously, this is the pissing contest you want to make here?  Which state has areas with the furthest service stations?  Clearly a new low for STN, can we somehow spin this into a HD bash to bring it full circle?

I didn't even realize it was a pissing contest.  I just don't like the range.  YMMV    

By the way STN can go much lower than this.

--still bemused by the controversy

[Rambler]

According to today's MCN there will be a touring version of the VFR with a 25 litre tank which will give a much better range. I got the impression that this is not the new ST though, I guess that will have more touring farkles.

This is something I'd like to see.  

[Rogue]

Be careful what you wish for.......

I seem to remember so many members here whining about the shortcomings of the previous VFR's.  Now that Honda has stepped up to the plate and given the market what they supposedly where whining about, now people have found something else to bitch about.  Like the price!  

What the heck do you guys expect?  

You wanted more power and torque.  You wanted hard luggage.  You didn't want the chain maintenance.  Must have ABS.  You wanted something all new.  Well now you got it!  Did any of you REALLY believe this bike would come in at $11999 or something?  That was circa 2000.  It's 2010 ladies!  You got everything you've been asking for!  

If $18k is too much, then it's time to get a used bike, or look into a 6th Generation VFR, or better yet the Triumph Sprint ST.  

[Rambler]

Yeah, but we wanted it in the same body style.  

[UFO]

Be careful what you wish for.......

I seem to remember so many members here whining about the shortcomings of the previous VFR's.  Now that Honda has stepped up to the plate and given the market what they supposedly where whining about, now people have found something else to bitch about.  Like the price!  

What the heck do you guys expect?  

You wanted more power and torque.  You wanted hard luggage.  You didn't want the chain maintenance.  Must have ABS.  You wanted something all new.  Well now you got it!  Did any of you REALLY believe this bike would come in at $11999 or something?  That was circa 2000.  It's 2010 ladies!  You got everything you've been asking for!  

If $18k is too much, then it's time to get a used bike, or look into a 6th Generation VFR, or better yet the Triumph Sprint ST.  

6th gen had bags
6th gen had ABS

Only thing the new VFR offers is more power and a shaft drive (which wasn't huge on most owner's list).

The price in itself is fine by me (bikes are getting expensive all around).  But the value sucks.  The K13S is the better value by far.