NEW BUELL?

[BACKMARKER]

Found a new 2009 1125 CR for $6450.00.  Why should I not buy it????

[falconati]

Because you probs have to pay TTL on top of that if it's at a dealer.  If it's not.....you can get a better deal

[kevin_stevens]

Found a new 2009 1125 CR for $6450.00.  Why should I not buy it????

Because you have to post and gather other people's opinions.  If you really want it you would have bought it already.

KeS

[BACKMARKER]

I've been looking and I cant find a better deal.  Yes that is $6450.00 + tax.

[Kidder]

That's a good deal.  Prices have been steadily rising since supply for the 1125s has been diminishing.  Just do it.

[Nodaclu]

Are you on over at Pashnit? I think I recognize your handle.

If so, PM Paxman1 over there. He just bought an 1125CR from Henderson HD for about the same price and he absolutely loves it.

[Brad1445]

If it was the right bike you would have bought it.  Dirt bikes cost more. There is one of a zillion reasons that may have gone through your head with a bike the press did not love and a Brand that is closed.


If it was true love it would be in your garage right now

[falcofred]

I often fall in "lust" with a bike.
If I wait a week or two, either the lust dissipates or grows into infatuation
I always join the on line forum for that specific bike in order to learn all I can on the model and sometimes find a nice used model from the marketplace section.
Daytona675.net
Multistrada.net
Superduke.net
I suggest you join the badweatherbikers site for Buells do some research and if your lust is still strong, make the purchase.

A co-worker of mine just purchased an 09 1125CR from the Harley Buell dealer in Pikeville KY and is very pleased with the bike and the deal he got. O

[BACKMARKER]

I often fall in "lust" with a bike.
If I wait a week or two, either the lust dissipates or grows into infatuation
I always join the on line forum for that specific bike in order to learn all I can on the model and sometimes find a nice used model from the marketplace section.
Daytona675.net
Multistrada.net
Superduke.net
I suggest you join the badweatherbikers site for Buells do some research and if your lust is still strong, make the purchase.

A co-worker of mine just purchased an 09 1125CR from the Harley Buell dealer in Pikeville KY and is very pleased with the bike and the deal he got. O

Checking out the forums now.  Never buy a bike on first sight thats how I got myself a divorce!

[chornbe]

My God that forum software sucks over there.

[kevin_stevens]

My God that forum software sucks over there.

You are NOT allowed to say that!!

- The lack of any quote function is a Good Thing!
- The fact that all posts are dislplayed in EST is Not A Problem, as humans are better at trivial math than computers.
- Posts vanishing forever into timed Archives is a Feature!
- vBulletin forums are all incredibly slow and don't work on handheld devices.  Whatever those are.
- No Badweather sponsor offers an alternate forum software, therefore no alternate forum software may be discussed.  If a Badweather sponsor decides to offer an alternate forum software, it must be procured from them.

If the Search feature worked, I'd give you a link to the above thread.  

KeS

[chornbe]

You are NOT allowed to say that!!

- The lack of any quote function is a Good Thing!
- The fact that all posts are dislplayed in EST is Not A Problem, as humans are better at trivial math than computers.
- Posts vanishing forever into timed Archives is a Feature!
- vBulletin forums are all incredibly slow and don't work on handheld devices.  Whatever those are.
- No Badweather sponsor offers an alternate forum software, therefore no alternate forum software may be discussed.  If a Badweather sponsor decides to offer an alternate forum software, it must be procured from them.

If the Search feature worked, I'd give you a link to the above thread.  

KeS

Oh, I tried the search alright. Yikes!

Another forum I won't be frequenting...

[kevin_stevens]

Unfortunately, the main body of Buell information seems to be there - somewhere.  But I found the experience and reception so off-putting that I am avoiding it whenever possible.  Buelletinboard is more typical, but clearly doesn't have some of the info and experienced members.  There's a couple of others as well.

KeS

[Brad1445]

My God that forum software sucks over there.

It's not only the software, but its a tightly grouped click of People that worked for Buell, The Dealers and old men that are looking for recognition by kissing but.

The rules are similar to the Soviet Union under Stalin as to what is allowed to be said so its far from a true cross section of the Buell experience.

Its like another world detached from reality and what year it is.

[JTM]

Oh, I tried the search alright. Yikes!

Another forum I won't be frequenting...

The forum was so bad I didn't bother to join to see if there was a search function.

[Spectreman]

BAD is way out of date but there are some really nice folks over there w/a lot of info regarding Buells. You might also try here: http://www.buelletinboard.com/forums/index.php. Some very nice folks there too.
Lee

[chornbe]

Yes, to clarify, my commentary has *NOTHING* to do with the people or the content - just the forum software, which makes the site all but unusable, IMO. It's the same piece of crap the Harley forums use.  

[Spiffious]

their forum software isn't old.  It's classic.

[Snowbird]

The piss poor forum software along with the censoring likely backfired into a piece of the puzzle of why Buell failed. There's a lesson here...

[1KPerDay]

their forum software isn't old.  It's classic.

snerk

[BACKMARKER]

Bought!

[Mastros2]

Bought!

Yeah! Where are the pics?!?!

[Crackedpot]

Bought!

Sounds like a deal to me! Just because I can't make a decision doesn't mean I don't really want it. From a tortured soul.

[Squidbuzz]

The piss poor forum software along with the censoring likely backfired into a piece of the puzzle of why Buell failed. There's a lesson here...

I highly doubt BadWeb had anything to do with Buell's closing.  Where do you people come up with this stuff?

As for that site being old and bad to navigate, the one solution to that is, don't go there.  Yeah, it isn't the easiest to use, but if you want information, it is there.  Until someone else wants to step up and fork out the cash for a new place/software/hardware, that is the place to go.

[Brad1445]

Now there is a sound business opportunity.

Unfortunately I'm investing in opening up a forum for Oldsmobile.

[Bueller]

Bought!

Congratulations BACKMARKER.

Persist with BadWeb.  Lots of good info and the knowledge vault is incredible.

Best way.  Click the last day link at the bottom of the page. Go through the list and pick the topics that take your fancy.  Each one opens in a new window, so you can get through a lot of traffic really quickly.

[Snowbird]

I highly doubt BadWeb had anything to do with Buell's closing.  Where do you people come up with this stuff?

As for that site being old and bad to navigate, the one solution to that is, don't go there.  Yeah, it isn't the easiest to use, but if you want information, it is there.  Until someone else wants to step up and fork out the cash for a new place/software/hardware, that is the place to go.

Well, it is the place for Buell talk, always has been. In today's world, people expect that joining with other enthusiasts talking about their bikes is a large part of the enjoyment of ownership. Many people first get interested in a bike and when they seek additional pre-purchase information, such a site slowly saps their interest. Your negativity over criticism of the site is a good example. Other examples is the virtual site ban on criticism of Buell, etc. as pointed out above. And, all that just to pay to become an unappreciated, denigrated sub-set of Harley culture.

The bikes are were decent enough... it's all the negative baggage that killed Buell.

[whodom]

A couple of the moderators have posted that new software has been on hand for some time now, but they are having a hell of a time figuring out how to migrate the information from the old forum format onto the new one so that all the old posts aren't lost.  

One thing that may be a problem for Badweb long-term; most of Badweb's sponsors are Buell dealers or parts suppliers.  There probably won't be a whole lot of incentive for at least the dealers to invest in Buell-related advertising in the future.

[JTM]

A couple of the moderators have posted that new software has been on hand for some time now, but they are having a hell of a time figuring out how to migrate the information from the old forum format onto the new one so that all the old posts aren't lost.  

They created their own issue there. By not upgrading the site as upgrades became available, they have successfully made it impossible to change software without have to start all over from scratch. There is a chance that if someone is willing to spend enough time with the migration that it could work, but it will not be easy.

[chornbe]

They created their own issue there. By not upgrading the site as upgrades became available, they have successfully made it impossible to change software without have to start all over from scratch. There is a chance that if someone is willing to spend enough time with the migration that it could work, but it will not be easy.

My company has a similar issue with Apache and EmbPerl.

I continue to be amazed that people - companies, especially - can end up in that position.

[Bueller]

Other examples is the virtual site ban on criticism of Buell.

The bikes are were decent enough... it's all the negative baggage that killed Buell.

I see no censorship of criticism of Buell on BadWeb.  One Ugly rider created a topic per problem as advice for new riders in the Ugly section, and there were a lot.  I see more and deeper criticism of Buell and dealers there than on any other site. To me it is pretty balanced.

I can't see that negative baggage killed Buell.  H-D made a decision that they said was a commercial decision to sell Buell.  There are quite a few blogs that cite intrigues on the decision, and the decision not to sell the name Buell or the rights to the innovations.  You could probably google around to find these.  

Winning the AMA superber on the first year of entry offsets any negative baggage I can think of.  In fact the 1125R 2008 season debut in Europe and Canada with demo bikes leftover from testing by journos shipped in crates and assembled in a few days and getting podium finishes is just amazing.

[1KPerDay]

Winning the AMA superber on the first year of entry offsets any negative baggage I can think of.

Oh, please. This statement just lost you whatever credibility you ever had. The last AMA/DMG season was a tragic joke.

[Brad1445]

+1 Your negativity over criticism of the site is a good example.
+1 Other examples is the virtual site ban on criticism of Buell, etc. as pointed out above.
+1 And, all that just to pay to become an unappreciated, denigrated sub-set of Harley culture.

[Brad1445]

I see no censorship of criticism of Buell on BadWeb.  One Ugly rider created a topic per problem as advice for new riders in the Ugly section, and there were a lot.  I see more and deeper criticism of Buell and dealers there than on any other site. To me it is pretty balanced.

I can't see that negative baggage killed Buell.  H-D made a decision that they said was a commercial decision to sell Buell.  There are quite a few blogs that cite intrigues on the decision, and the decision not to sell the name Buell or the rights to the innovations.  You could probably google around to find these.  

Winning the AMA superber on the first year of entry offsets any negative baggage I can think of.  In fact the 1125R 2008 season debut in Europe and Canada with demo bikes leftover from testing by journos shipped in crates and assembled in a few days and getting podium finishes is just amazing.

With all due respect I could not disagree more.

- I have seen no forum more censored anywhere.
- Inconsistent enforcement of constantly changing unwritten rules.
- Paying customers that experience problems are brat to death for mentioning them.
- Defects are never to be mentioned until Buell releases a fix, repeat beating of said customer over and over part revision, A, B. C, D, etc
- False praise from the older consumer demographics who craving attention from the factory.
- Truly valuable information is held off the sight unless they are a "sponsor"
- Poor archiving covers possible trending of issues.
- Lies are given out as fact any means to justify the end.
- All the above clouds any actual accurate measurement of data making the site worthless unless your the Manufacture and beed propaganda to support your business model.

[Bueller]

With all due respect I could not disagree more.

- I have seen no forum more censored anywhere.
- Inconsistent enforcement of constantly changing unwritten rules.
- Paying customers that experience problems are brat to death for mentioning them.
- Defects are never to be mentioned until Buell releases a fix, repeat beating of said customer over and over part revision, A, B. C, D, etc
- False praise from the older consumer demographics who craving attention from the factory.
- Truly valuable information is held off the sight unless they are a "sponsor"
- Poor archiving covers possible trending of issues.
- Lies are given out as fact any means to justify the end.
- All the above clouds any actual accurate measurement of data making the site worthless unless your the Manufacture and beed propaganda to support your business model.

I'm a sponsor there (pretty low key) so my advice might seem clouded, but it is also inside information.  I took up sponsorship to be able to talk about the stuff I'd thought would be a good idea and had made up.  I don't need to be a sponsor to have anyone post a thread saying they have found something I had made up.
Garmin and Tom Tom aren't sponsors.  There are heaps of exhaust makers, Corbin seats, Roberto scoops, CNC manufacturers, repairers, dealers etc all get recommendations from riders.  Some of these are in direct competition with sponsors.  What is against the rules is someone not a sponsor logging in and spamming.  There are rules here too.  You can announce special offers for ST.N members.  I've done that a few times and I believe I have followed the guidelines when I have done that and asked when I've not been sure (taken no reply as a yes sometimes though).

I can tell you from personal experience that H-D does not own BadWeb, and you can also see evidence of this in posts from the older demographic - particularly recently.

The main rules I can think of are to do with Anonymous posting (and that seems pretty sensible),   rules against posting links to illegal manuals, and I agree with that one.  You may get a post censored for slinging off at another member but I suppose that could happen here too, and so it should.

I have seen plenty of bitter and sarcastic criticism of Buell and HD there.  You might remember the 08 fuel consumption issue where one topic in the Uly section started collecting data.  That was without any factory acknowledgement or denial of a problem.  Wheel bearings are another.

The archiving is amazing.  There is so much data and yet when I have gone back to find something that I read a long time before, I can.  Not always quick but I have always managed to find it.

If you search here hard enough you'll find one of my posts from a long time back to to with how hard it is to navigate BadWeb.  It is no where near as good as finding your way around ST.N, but there is so much knowledge on BadWeb you'd be poking your eye out to deny it was there.

[chornbe]

Before this goes in to dark and scary places, let me again restate: my criticism of the site is limited to the forum software only. I got nothing negative to say about the people, the content, or the site management (other than they have dug themselves into a whole with that POS software).

CYA firmly in place.  

[kevin_stevens]

Before this goes in to dark and scary places, let me again restate: my criticism of the site is limited to the forum software only. I got nothing negative to say about the people, the content, or the site management (other than they have dug themselves into a whole with that POS software).

CYA firmly in place.  

I do, but I'm not - I'm just avoiding it unless I have to go there.

KeS

[Bueller]

Oh, please. This statement just lost you whatever credibility you ever had. The last AMA/DMG season was a tragic joke.

 

[chornbe]

Oh, please. This statement just lost you whatever credibility you ever had. The last AMA/DMG season was a tragic joke.

Wait, you're not suggesting that winning some 600-class runs with an 1125 isn't right, are you?  

What people seem to forget is that was 100% a privateer thing (Not Erik Buell - so he should get zero credit, but also zero flack - and he should have kept his yap shut about it - $.02) and was permissible in the rules. So, while it was a weird move, it wasn't an illegal move.

[Bueller]

Wait, you're not suggesting that winning some 600-class runs with an 1125 isn't right, are you?  

What people seem to forget is that was 100% a privateer thing (Not Erik Buell - so he should get zero credit, but also zero flack - and he should have kept his yap shut about it - $.02) and was permissible in the rules. So, while it was a weird move, it wasn't an illegal move.

Do you think that a team with an MV F4 for example could have won first year out if they were allowed to compete?  They are an I4 motor and clearly ahead of any thing else in that field on power but I personally doubt they could win that series with effectively a bigger advantage than the 1125R was given.  The F4 is also a bike that has been around for a while, the 1125R only hit the shops in 2007.  The 1125R was a complete new engineering that had had one year on the street before the season started.

From what I could see Buell gave a lot of support for the privateer racing including but not limited to development and provision of race parts - body work, Suter slipper clutch etc.  Many privateer teams fail because the lack of factory provisions and support.

I wouldn't rate the chances of any newly developed bike with one year on the street winning a season in GP250 let alone Superbike 600 no matter how many cubes or cylinders.  Whether or not the rules should have permitted the 1125R to enter the competition is not what I am debating.  The fact that it could win the series first time out even with the obvious advantage in torque is a huge achievement.  

My point before and remains is that the fact that the 1125R as a total new package could put together a successful race season in its second year out is a good reason to say that this is an exceptional bike - one more plus to go and buy it.  The racing isn't just about the power.  It is the cornering, braking a total package (including the rider).

[chornbe]

Oh, no argument on the other aspects beyond just power. Dude, I ride a Sportster on the Dragon! I know about having to exploit strengths and work around (sometimes glaring) weaknesses.

There are lots of guys out there poo-pooing the CC advantage and I rather agree that there should be constraints.

Open class racing should be OPEN. Constraints on other classes should be firm.

For instance the 200 CC allowance for twins in litre bike WSBK. The original restriction included total CCs. I think it would have been more interesting if the twin MFGs had increased torque and regeared, rather than being able to take advantage of a displacement allowance.

$.02

Eh... we're getting off on crazy tangents.

(I'm far from an expert on the classes of racing, etc)

[BACKMARKER]

 HOLEY HI'JACK BATMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!