A few Tiger questions here...

[1000lbs]

Before I go and start another which bike thread out on the general board I thought I'd gather some info here.  

I have been lusting for the new Ducati MTS since it broke ground, but I've recently been comparing the cost of the new Duc and buying a Tiger and juicing it up (eng, suspension, farkles, and what have you). I bought my Speed Triple in 07 and have loved every mile since.  I'm now considering a Tiger to replace it and my recently sold ST1300.  

So my questions.

Where are the best sources of info on all things Tiger?

Can anyone compare the performance/power of the Tiger to the Speed Triple (I know the spec numbers are a bit lower for the Tiger, but is there a real world performance difference)?

Anyone riding two up on the Tiger with pillon input on comfort (not touring, just day rides)?

Have any of you Tiger owners done track days with them?

From what I've found out on the web, I think I could save $4-6K by the time I finished sprucing up a Tiger compared to the Duc.

What say you Tiger owners?

[ScottB]

www.tiger1050.com, for all your Tiger needs!

[bomber]

www.tiger1050.com, for all your Tiger needs!

Yep! Lots of good data there (along with the normal amount of internet noise).

[Rincewind]

www.tiger1050.com, for all your Tiger needs!

+1 on that - best resource on the T1050's.

I only rode a Speed Triple 1050 for 20-miles or so.  I would say the power feels very similar.  The Speed Triple has better handling because its not so tall.  Going from a Speed Triple to the Tiger is like going from a sports car to a performance SUV.

2-up the Tiger is very good.  I did a number of weekends with my wife on it.  Chief complaints were: 1. legroom (but she's a long-legged gal); 2. heat from the hi-mount exhaust making the right-side pillion handle hot.  The stadium seating wasn't much of a problem.

I didn't do any track days with mine, but here is a video of someone who did.

You can probably save a lot over a fully-kitted Multistrada 1200, but the Duc will hold its value better.  You won't get the extra money back out of the Tiger, other than stripping and selling the extra bits later at reduced cost.

[expatbrit]

You can probably save a lot over a fully-kitted Multistrada 1200, but the Duc will hold its value better.  You won't get the extra money back out of the Tiger, other than stripping and selling the extra bits later at reduced cost.

I've definitely noticed Triumphs having very poor resale values, in general. Boo, I say -- I love my Sprint

[1000lbs]

Thanks for the input, keep it coming.  I signed up over at tiger1050, before I posted this and that is what got my mental wheels spinning.

Going from a Speed Triple to the Tiger is like going from a sports car to a performance SUV.

This is probably a good analogy, but not what I was hoping to hear.  Would you say that would still hold true after an Ohlins upgrade.

I've definitely noticed Triumphs having very poor resale values, in general. Boo, I say -- I love my Sprint

I'm unfortunately aware of the Triumph resale situation as I'm looking at listing my Speed Triple .  However, I could move the speedy and pickup a lightly used Tiger and the loss on value on my current triumph would be a wash.

From what info I've gathered so far, I'm thinking pick up a nice used Tiger for $7-9k + $4-5k in ugrade/farkles + tax/tags = total on the road for $12-15k.  By the time I walk out the door with the Duc. I'd probably be bumping $22k  .  I don't doubt the value is there in the Duc., I'm just having a hard time convincing myself to drop that kind of cash.  I have some time as the Ducs. aren't even here yet, but I'm definately headed toward a "next" bike, so keep the Tiger info coming.

If there is anyone here with a Tiger located in SoCal, Maybe we could get together and do a ride with a Speedy - Tiger swap for a few miles.

[desert_rider]

From what info I've gathered so far, I'm thinking pick up a nice used Tiger for $7-9k + $4-5k in ugrade/farkles + tax/tags = total on the road for $12-15k.  By the time I walk out the door with the Duc. I'd probably be bumping $22k  .  I don't doubt the value is there in the Duc., I'm just having a hard time convincing myself to drop that kind of cash.

Tony - after all the hype and talk - you're wussing out!!  Come on, spend the big money.  The economy needs your help!

[Punchdude]

Before I bought my Tiger SE, I too was looking hard at the MS. I just could not get my head around the price tag. Plus we all know maintenance $'s are brutal on Ducs. Looks like an awesome machine but I'd rather buy two bikes than one ultra advanced, techo Duc that will break my wallet. Plus I ride nearly 30k miles a year. I'd be having the valves adjusted every few months on the MS..

[chamade]

I got a used '07 with 700 miles on the odo for 3500$ less than I would have paid for a new one and still got a pretty much new bike. I used to always buy new bikes, but never again - it simply makes no sense as they are worth 20% less the second you take it out of the dealership parking lot.

As far as the Tiger vs Speed Triple, it's not just a matter of suspensions, it's the whole geometry - longer wheelbase, taller, upright position. Because of that simply doesn't beg to be flogged like a Triple. The whole suspension thing is overrated IMO, I am 6'4" 200lb and find it just fine after maxing the preloads and tweaking the comp/rebound.
The Tiger is about as sporty as this kind of bike gets, but it's no Triple. It makes it up in other areas and it's still fun to flog.

[Medic09]

The Tiger 955i is no slouch.  I bought one after I gave up my Sprint ST.  My wife says it is excellent two-up, especially after a quick seat mod.  I had a 1050 as a loaner from the dealer, and we didn't like it as much.  A fully kitted 955i is a nice bike for everything from grocery runs to all day rides and longer.  Best website for info: www.tigertriple.com

955i Tigers still show up for sale with low mileage.  Might be worth a look, as long as you're thinking Tiger.

[1000lbs]

Tony - after all the hype and talk - you're wussing out!!  Come on, spend the big money.  The economy needs your help!

Not wussing out, exploring my options .

Before I bought my Tiger SE, I too was looking hard at the MS. I just could not get my head around the price tag. Plus we all know maintenance $'s are brutal on Ducs. Looks like an awesome machine but I'd rather buy two bikes than one ultra advanced, techo Duc that will break my wallet. Plus I ride nearly 30k miles a year. I'd be having the valves adjusted every few months on the MS..

I'm having some of those thoughts to Punch.  

The word on the street is that the maintenance on the Duc (over 12k rumored) will be similar intervals as the Tiger, so that is not holding me back.  The techno bits on the Duc are cool, but I can live without them. So I started pricing out the base model MTS $15k + accessories and wound up looking around $19k out the door (CA tax/tags are  ).  So at that point I'm picking up a few less pounds, and 35hp on a stock Tiger.  There are some other attractive features on the Duc and I may still go that route, I'm just trying to decide before I list my Speed Triple and move on from there.

[Rincewind]

This is probably a good analogy, but not what I was hoping to hear.  Would you say that would still hold true after an Ohlins upgrade.

Yeah of course.  I put an Ohlins shock on mine, and it was great, but it's still pretty much the same bike. 

I really enjoyed my Tiger - great bike, extremely comfortable, very sporting.  But IMO the new Multistrada 1200 will eat it up - 150HP, traction-control, FI mapping control, electronic-suspension control -- Ducati took the game to another level.

[1000lbs]

Yeah of course.  I put an Ohlins shock on mine, and it was great, but it's still pretty much the same bike. 

I really enjoyed my Tiger - great bike, extremely comfortable, very sporting.  But IMO the new Multistrada 1200 will eat it up - 150HP, traction-control, FI mapping control, electronic-suspension control -- Ducati took the game to another level.

Agreed, but I'm going to have one shakey hand if/when I go to write that check .

[bomber]

Yeah of course.  I put an Ohlins shock on mine, and it was great, but it's still pretty much the same bike. 

I really enjoyed my Tiger - great bike, extremely comfortable, very sporting.  But IMO the new Multistrada 1200 will eat it up - 150HP, traction-control, FI mapping control, electronic-suspension control -- Ducati took the game to another level.

I agree that the MS will eat up a Tiger in the spec sheet wars -- no doubt about it at all.

On the street, though? I'm not so sure -- I've kept up with some well-ridden trips, a couple of liter bikes on crappy roads, and a number of 2008 and earlier MS examples.

While I"m sure some of th gadgetry on a new MS would make be smile, and I"m sure I'd enjoy it, I'm not so sure it wpould get me anywhere quicker -- my name isn't Canet or Burns.

I'm thinkin that Ducati put the whiz-bang stuff on teh MS to do exactly what it's done -- move it up to compete with BWM, and to catch the eyes of potential customers who may thing that LACK of whiz-bang is a detriment in the real world.

Of course, I've not ridden a new MS, so I can't say for sure.

;-}

[Rincewind]

Quite right, bomber.  That part of my last post was a generous overstatement.  In real life riding a well equipped Tiger is not to be trifled with, and the extra HP and electronic wizzardry of the Duc only means that rider has less excuses for riding poorly.  After all, and regardless of wallet-sizes, it's the rider and not the bike!  

That said, I'd still love to taste the superbike-power of the new Duc!

[bomber]

Oh, me too, Rince -- big time!

It's the only Ducati my body could toleate, and I'd simply LOVE to come back and  be able to report, "Meh!"

Not likely anytime soon, though -- there are dealers that'll give you a test ride, but I won't take out a bike I've no interest in buying (well, interest and wherewithall).

Manufacturer's, you damn bethca. Dealers, nah.

[expatbrit]

Quite right, bomber.  That part of my last post was a generous overstatement.  In real life riding a well equipped Tiger is not to be trifled with, and the extra HP and electronic wizzardry of the Duc only means that rider has less excuses for riding poorly.  After all, and regardless of wallet-sizes, it's the rider and not the bike!  

That said, I'd still love to taste the superbike-power of the new Duc!

That price et al was a big driver in why I got a  used KTM 950 SM instead or either the Tiger or the Duc. Less power, less weight, got the sporty suspension. Farkles are less, for me at least -- top box I already had, so heated grips, handguards, renzaco seat and we'll see where we go.

I've still got the Sprint for when I can't help but hear the Triple, though...

[1000lbs]

I agree that the MS will eat up a Tiger in the spec sheet wars -- no doubt about it at all.

On the street, though? I'm not so sure -- I've kept up with some well-ridden trips, a couple of liter bikes on crappy roads, and a number of 2008 and earlier MS examples.

While I"m sure some of th gadgetry on a new MS would make be smile, and I"m sure I'd enjoy it, I'm not so sure it wpould get me anywhere quicker -- my name isn't Canet or Burns.

I'm thinkin that Ducati put the whiz-bang stuff on teh MS to do exactly what it's done -- move it up to compete with BWM, and to catch the eyes of potential customers who may thing that LACK of whiz-bang is a detriment in the real world.

Of course, I've not ridden a new MS, so I can't say for sure.

;-}

This is pretty much where I'm at right now.  I guess I'll just have to decide how important the money is to me.  I've had quite a bit tied up in multiple bikes over the last two years and I'm selling two to buy one.  At that point its a Tiger with some extra scratch left in my pocket or all in on the Duc.  I contacted a Duc dealer today to get a guesstimate on a demo arrival, and I'll try to snag a ride on a Tiger in the mean time.

[bomber]

This is pretty much where I'm at right now.  I guess I'll just have to decide how important the money is to me.  I've had quite a bit tied up in multiple bikes over the last two years and I'm selling two to buy one.  At that point its a Tiger with some extra scratch left in my pocket or all in on the Duc.  I contacted a Duc dealer today to get a guesstimate on a demo arrival, and I'll try to snag a ride on a Tiger in the mean time.

Half Ton

For what it's worth, I've been using the following process to either qualify or dismiss purchases --

- will this purchase be worth X dollars to me?
- will this purchase be worth Y days of riding our and about for me (figuring how far/long I can go for X dollars).

If the purchase isn't worth the days I won't be able to afford to go on a trip, I don't buy. I just went through this over TRAX side cases -- big time drooling, but realized it represented the cost of a coule of weeks on the road, for me.

This year, I'll continue to use my Givis, but will continue to watch for Trax cases left on teh side of the road ;-}

I'm sure that, for some, the extra dough for the Duc is worthwhile/

For others, not.

There's no bad choice hear, nor a bad decision ;-}

[Playinthestreet]

Having owned both Ducatis and Triumphs (although not the Duc Multi) I disagree that Ducs hold their resale value better than Triumphs.  It has been my experience that both suffer equally as regards used valuations.    

[Rincewind]

Having owned both Ducatis and Triumphs (although not the Duc Multi) I disagree that Ducs hold their resale value better than Triumphs.  It has been my experience that both suffer equally as regards used valuations.   

That is likely correct.  My suggestion, though probably unclear, was that a Ducati with Ohlins (from the factory) will retain more value than a Triumph with suspension work done after the purchase.  With the Ducati the extra cost of the higher-grade suspension is built into the original value that is depreciating, while the Triumph's extra work won't add much to the overall value.

For instance:
Ducati with Ohlins costing $14k loses 55% of its value after three years.  End result is $7700 value.
Triumph costing $12k with $2k of suspension work loses 55% of its value after three years.  End result is $6600, plus a few hundred bucks for the suspension work, if you're lucky.

[Playinthestreet]

It's unfortunate, and my dealer who handles both lines, laments that both bikes are better than the residual values would indicate.  Ultimately we've got to buy the bikes we like and place the value in the experience of ownership, 'cause we're all gonna take in the a** at trade-in time  

[Rincewind]

Opportunity knocks!  Suspension already done!  http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,49741.0.html

[1000lbs]

That would be really hard to pass up if it weren't 2500 miles away.  That should move pretty quick for him.

[bomber]

That is likely correct.  My suggestion, though probably unclear, was that a Ducati with Ohlins (from the factory) will retain more value than a Triumph with suspension work done after the purchase.  With the Ducati the extra cost of the higher-grade suspension is built into the original value that is depreciating, while the Triumph's extra work won't add much to the overall value.

For instance:
Ducati with Ohlins costing $14k loses 55% of its value after three years.  End result is $7700 value.
Triumph costing $12k with $2k of suspension work loses 55% of its value after three years.  End result is $6600, plus a few hundred bucks for the suspension work, if you're lucky.

This is likely part of the "aftermarket mods don't add value" mantra, which is most often correct, in my experience.

[Attack Pug]

IF I had it to do over I'd have got kept the Duc  

[1000lbs]

IF I had it to do over I'd have got the Duc  

Care to elaborate?

[BlueRidgeKat]

Does the Tigger take regular unleaded or does it require the "Super" petro to keep it purring ?

I'm over the Strada now, its just way overpriced. I'll just admire high quality images of it from afar.

[Playinthestreet]

Mine runs fine on 89

[bomber]

Mine runs fine on 89

+1 -- sometimes out in the Thulies I gotta go up a range to keep knocking at bay, especially if it's up in the 90s  -- midrange fuel is the highest I've ever had to use . . . .

[Punchdude]

Mine runs fine on 89

+1  Mine runs fine on 89 octane and is what the dealer recommended.

[Attack Pug]

Care to elaborate?

The Duc is a better bike. I should have kept the GT1000 Duc I had all it needed was fork springs,
valving.  I'm one that can take the Tiger or leave it. I think they released it to soon
without giving the bikes flaws a little attention. Poor suspension, buffeting, cheap battery etc etc  
It has a GREAT motor but meh
Get a Multi !

[1000lbs]

Ok, I got some seat time on a Tiger today  .  I took out an 09 and my overall impression is, this is a bike I would be happy to own.

I must admit, that after reading all of the reviews and responses to this post, I may have had a few ideas in my head of what to expect and look for, but I tried to be as open minded as possible. Most of what I was thinking was in comparison to the 11k I've put on my Speed Triple.  Most of what I was thinking was, this is pretty familiar.  

I honestly couldn't feel much difference in the engine.  It pulled hard from lower revs and didn't feel lacking on top.  The Speed triple might feel a little stronger on top, but that could be due to gearing.

The ergos were obvioulsy more comfortable, with the foot pegs lower and more forward from the seat.  The bars were also higher and closer, which I didn't like so much. I wanted to feel more connected to the front end and I don't think a slightly lower more forward bar would detract from the comfort for me.

The suspension felt "ok" to me, definitely a more plush ride than I'm used to.  On the handling, the turn in felt a bit slower. The best way I could decribe it, on the Speed Triple the act of turn in to completed turn feels instantainious to me.  On the Tiger, it felt more like a two step process, where I'd turn in, feel the bike drop in line, and then complete the turn.  Nothing drastic, just not as quick as I'm used to.  Once on line the Tiger felt great, and I'm sure with more seat time I would adjust to the difference in turning speed.

At the end of the ride I think the Tiger would be a good option for me.  I'm looking for more luggage options and better passanger capability, while sacrificing as little as possible of what I love about my Speed Triple.  To me, the Tiger does sacrifice some of the style the Speedy offers, and he Multi is still in the picture.  I will try to get a demo on one before I make a final decision, but I'm not sure it will feel $$$ better than the Tiger for what I'm looking for.



 

[1000lbs]

Just one more question, I'm finding some 07's that look pretty good.

Are there any changes/improvements between the 07-10 Tigers I should know about?

[Attack Pug]

Nope

[Punchdude]

I have read some early 07's burned some oil but other than that...

[bomber]

there were some front brake issues on very early examples, but those would have either been fixed under warranty, or not occured on any particular example.

Other than that (and the above mentioned oil burners, again, a small number that would have revealed theat particular trick by now), it's all the same as later versions . . . .

[1000lbs]

Alright, which one of you Tiger experts can tell me where the emissions sticker is located on the 1050 Tiger?

I found a sweet deal in AZ, but with well under 7500 miles I need to show the DMV folks the F*#king sticker.  The owners says he can't find one.  I verified through teh VIN that it is indeed a 50 state model, but my dealer said he's never had to look for the sticker, being CA dealer and all.

So, where is it?  I want to bring this thing home Sat. help a brother out.

[Rincewind]

Alright, which one of you Tiger experts can tell me where the emissions sticker is located on the 1050 Tiger?

I found a sweet deal in AZ, but with well under 7500 miles I need to show the DMV folks the F*#king sticker.  The owners says he can't find one.  I verified through teh VIN that it is indeed a 50 state model, but my dealer said he's never had to look for the sticker, being CA dealer and all.

So, where is it?  I want to bring this thing home Sat. help a brother out.

I hope you found some resolution on this topic.  I can't for the life of me recall seeing an emissions-type sticker on my Tiger when I had it apart...  GOOD LUCK 1000LBS!!!

[bomber]

Alright, which one of you Tiger experts can tell me where the emissions sticker is located on the 1050 Tiger?

I found a sweet deal in AZ, but with well under 7500 miles I need to show the DMV folks the F*#king sticker.  The owners says he can't find one.  I verified through teh VIN that it is indeed a 50 state model, but my dealer said he's never had to look for the sticker, being CA dealer and all.

So, where is it?  I want to bring this thing home Sat. help a brother out.

I don't recall seeing one either -- couple/three safety stickers, but nothing on emmissions . . . . .

Perhaps an enterprising soul at a sign store could help fill the void ;-}

[1000lbs]

In case anyone gets on here looking for the emission label on a Tiger,

The emissions label is located here:



Yup, I took that pic in my garage today after stipping my new Tiger I brought home yesterday, introduced here:
http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,50519.0.html

Having the Tiger parked next to the Speedy, I'm surprised at the number of differences in the build of the two bikes.  The frames are much more different than a casual glance would suggest.  They do share some common traits and DNA, but they are not the same animal.

I can't wait to get a plate on this thing tomorrow and get aquainted with my "new" Trumpet.

[BlueRidgeKat]

Since this is the Tiger question thread..........

Please give me your opinions on the price of this Tiger I'm looking at.

Its a new 09 black with the matching hard side bags and ABS for 11,939 out the door. That includes all fees (prep/doc/frieght). My other local dealer has a 2010 Tiger also black with ABS for a considerable amount more.

So is this a good deal on a new 09 or not? Thanks for any response.

[falconati]

He's about $1500 more than I would expect to pay.  That said, I'd try and get him down to $11k and a helmet, and call it good.  No noteworthy changes for 2010, so I'd go for the 2009 for sure.

[BlueRidgeKat]

He's about $1500 more than I would expect to pay.  That said, I'd try and get him down to $11k and a helmet, and call it good.

I wonder if instead of a helmet would they throw in the optional heated grips installed.  Do they sometimes make deals like that with optional accessories? I have never tried that before, just always argued about the price.

[Roadscum]

I wonder if instead of a helmet would they throw in the optional heated grips installed.  Do they sometimes make deals like that with optional accessories? I have never tried that before, just always argued about the price.

After negotiating what I feel is the best price I then bargain for a OEM free accessory. I usually successful. this is also a good time to negotiate other accessories at dealer cost and free installation.

[BlueRidgeKat]

He's about $1500 more than I would expect to pay.  That said, I'd try and get him down to $11k and a helmet, and call it good.  No noteworthy changes for 2010, so I'd go for the 2009 for sure.

I guess you are right on the price. I went to another Triumph dealer and got $10,999 out the door, all I have to do is pay the state sales tax. Brand new 09 with side bags and ABS. Shes shiny jet black and I pick it up Saturday.

My first ever non-Japanese bike. This will be interesting.

Thanks to everyone for all the info.

[bomber]

good for you, bud -- you're gonna love that bike . . . . . . . .

When you get home, grab the Owner's Manual, adjust the clutch lever, and adjust the chain to the loose end of spec. Two things the factory/dealership typically don't do a great job of . . . . .

[falconati]

  Enjoy!

[1000lbs]

My first ever non-Japanese bike. This will be interesting.

Well purchased.  I just picked up my second Triumph after 3 years with the first, and its been nothing but smiles the whole way.  "Interesting", no worries.  You're going to have a blast on that thing, they're great bikes.

[BlueRidgeKat]

Has anyone had chain adjustment issues with the stock Tiger chain? I'm either too tight or too loose there seems to be no in between. If I adjust for the tight spot then the rest of it is so loose its flopping and banging and knocking so bad you can feel it and if I adjust the slop out of it then the tight spots are like a damn violin string.
It has a whole 190 miles on it now   do I have a bad chain or what? Maybe I should have went with the deal on the leftover Concours 14 (shaftie).


On another note the headlights totally suck. I have seen where some people have put motolights on the Tiger but I have had those in the past and honestly the stock lights on the Tiger are much like having motolights only. It needs something that will get out there further and motolights I dont think is the answer. Twisted throttle actually has a mount for additional lighting that mounts just under the stock headlights, I can certainly see why this is available. There is a easy solution to this I suppose..... just dont ride at night.
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/4963/596/

There is no such thing as the perfect bike and I know these are just minor things. The deal with the chain is more aggravating than anything.

Spencers seats sure did a great job, lowered it some plus much more comfortable with the long distance (LD) option he has. http://greatdaytoride.com/Home_Page.php

The R&G sliders are so cool. They look like they came on the bike. Just bolt them on. Much nicer than crash bars I think, especially after reading some people had a vibration after installing the SW Motech crash bars.
http://www.rg-racing.com/browseBike/Triumph/Tiger/2009/CP0248BL.aspx
 

[sprint_st]

I agree that the MS will eat up a Tiger in the spec sheet wars -- no doubt about it at all.

On the street, though? I'm not so sure -- I've kept up with some well-ridden trips, a couple of liter bikes on crappy roads, and a number of 2008 and earlier MS examples.

IMO bomber hits the nail on the head.  The street isn't a road race coarse and most of us rarely get close to the limits of our bikes anyway.  Also, Ohlins are just ducky, but very pricey.  For under $300 you can get a HyperPro Combi-Kit and transform your suspension.

Has anyone had chain adjustment issues with the stock Tiger chain? I'm either too tight or too loose there seems to be no in between. If I adjust for the tight spot then the rest of it is so loose its flopping and banging and knocking so bad you can feel it and if I adjust the slop out of it then the tight spots are like a damn violin string.
It has a whole 190 miles on it now   do I have a bad chain or what? Maybe I should have went with the deal on the leftover Concours 14 (shaftie).
I prefer to adjust my chain on the center stand, but at least on my Tiger the adjustment holds for a long time.  I'm at about 16K on the chain and will probably change it out in another 10K.  Again, in mine, I don't have any very tight spots, not to say the chain is totally uniform either.  You just may have a bad chain too, that happens.


On another note the headlights totally suck. I have seen where some people have put motolights on the Tiger but I have had those in the past and honestly the stock lights on the Tiger are much like having motolights only. It needs something that will get out there further and motolights I dont think is the answer. Twisted throttle actually has a mount for additional lighting that mounts just under the stock headlights, I can certainly see why this is available. There is a easy solution to this I suppose..... just dont ride at night.
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/4963/596/
There are a ton of posts on HID lights on the Tiger 1050 forum.  I have a pair of PIAA lights under my fairing that turn night into day, but I'd go HID if I had the chance.

There is no such thing as the perfect bike and I know these are just minor things. The deal with the chain is more aggravating than anything.

Spencers seats sure did a great job, lowered it some plus much more comfortable with the long distance (LD) option he has. http://greatdaytoride.com/Home_Page.php

Had Spencer do my FJR seat, great job.  I like the stock seat but have just bought a gel seat because a friend says that they are the best thing since buckwheat.

The R&G sliders are so cool. They look like they came on the bike. Just bolt them on. Much nicer than crash bars I think, especially after reading some people had a vibration after installing the SW Motech crash bars.
http://www.rg-racing.com/browseBike/Triumph/Tiger/2009/CP0248BL.aspx
I may get a crash bar some day but looking at the prices, Dairyland Insurance is my crash bar.