VFR1200F Dyno Numbers [motorcyclistonline.com]

[UFO]

Motorcyclist has posted up some of the first official dyno numbers of the new VFR1200F that I've seen.  The numbers are solid, but far from impressive for a modern 1200cc.  Honda has touted the "seamless power delivery" of this bike.  We'll have to wait for more official reviews to determine if they've delivered.

Word to the wise future VFR1200 owner: make sure the technician preparing to service your pride/joy has peeled one before signing turning him loose on anything more than an oil change. After innumerable phone calls, all seven of the words you can't say on television and one instructional web video, we've peeled away just  enough plastic to lift the fuel tank and attach our sensor to an obliging wire. Relatively speaking, it's all downhill from there. Fire up the fans. Slip on some ear protection, take a few trips to the rev limiter and let the erstwhile desktop PC crunch those numbers. So? The 1237cc V4 lays evenly escalating traces of power and torque from 2250 rpm that crest at 142.1 horses at 10,000 rpm and 81.4 lb.-ft. at 8750.

Read the entire article here.

[atadaskew]

Bummer

[UFO]

Found this on VFRD.  K13S vs. VFR1200F on the same dyno, as well as performance comparisons.  All in German.

In a nutshell the BMW is lighter, faster, quicker, more powerful, more torquey, drinks less fuel, goes farther on a tank, has more gadgets/opiotns, and costs about the same.

[atadaskew]

Yes, but the VFR has that easy to remove bodywork.

 

Actually what I did find interesting from the German article is that the fuel range of the VFR (I'm ass-uming until dry) is 196miles.  Not THAT bad (even though my Duc goes 250).
I wonder if the new VFR is speed restricted seeing it topped out at 250khm/156mph.  Kinda blows that a kid on his half your engine size CBR600 can blow by you...  
Conspiracy theorists would say it was intentional so that people don't find out how much slower it really is than it's competition.  As in, "yeah this baby would do 200mph but Honda put a speed restrictor on it so it would be legal to sell"..

Anyway, as much as I bag on this Honda I would be interested in it but only if it was at a distinct price advantage over the BMW.  So I guess I'll have to wait for a couple o years.

[sammyseaman]

Damn Skip! You love to piss in the Cheerios of the Honda faithful, don't you?  

[SVTNate]

Has there been *any* positive press on the VFR1200?  I guess when you claim that your new bike will revolutionize motorcycling and set a new standard, yet it doesn't best any of its competitors in any objective category, press will not be particularly kind.  Maybe when nobody buys the VFR1200, I can pick one up for 10 grand or so, because I still think it's going to be a cool bike!

[atadaskew]

  Maybe when nobody buys the VFR1200, I can pick one up for 10 grand or so, because I still think it's going to be a cool bike!

That's my plan.  Which is why I'm spreading as much bad news about it as possible.
 

How can anyone want a bike this awful?
 

[UFO]

Damn Skip! You love to piss in the Cheerios of the Honda faithful, don't you?  

I call it like it is.  This bike was at the top of my list until more and more info came out on it.  I'm sure it's a fine bike, but I'm not paying $16K (or more) for one that includes not a whole lot of features (including bags).  I LOVE V4s, so I mildly bag on the VFR out of love.

And I don't know what the deal is but when I view this page all the ads displayed relate to weight loss.

[SVTNate]

That's my plan.  Which is why I'm spreading as much bad news about it as possible.
 

How can anyone want a bike this awful?
 

I want two awful bikes... I'll take a new VFR1200 that's almost as much of a pig as my shitty FJR, with no bags, fuel range that doesn't let you go anywhere, plus I'll take a new 2010 Dyna Street Bob that's a slow, oil leaking, heavy piece of shit Harley.  I'll take both bikes new for the MSRP of the Ducati Multistrada 1200, which is the second coming of Christ disguised within a motorcycle.

[Rogue]

Skipper, just take them for a test ride on the same day.  That should really give you an idea which one is right for you.

Some bikes don't look so good on paper or comparison, or some look great on paper and comparisons, but once you ride them you can go either way.

Of course you already knew that.

[swimmer]

I wonder if the new VFR is speed restricted seeing it topped out at 250khm/156mph.  Kinda blows that a kid on his half your engine size CBR600 can blow by you...  

I really doubt if you were doing 156mph down the highway someone, anyone will by around to blow by you.

Good to see some better mpg ratings.  I just bought a sargent seat for my 6th gen.

[atadaskew]

I really doubt if you were doing 156mph down the highway someone, anyone will by around to blow by you.

Good to see some better mpg ratings.  I just bought a sargent seat for my 6th gen.

Ever driven on the Autobahn?  Or seen any youtube videos?....

I agree with the better mpg ratings.

[Will_Munny]

Skipper, just take them for a test ride on the same day.  That should really give you an idea which one is right for you.

Some bikes don't look so good on paper or comparison, or some look great on paper and comparisons, but once you ride them you can go either way.

Of course you already knew that.

I recall a similar chorus of displeasure towards the 2008 CBR1000RR when it was first introduced. It turned out to be almost indisputably the best litre bike on the market. Not the most powerful, not the fastest, just the best.

[falconati]

lolnda

[kevin_stevens]

I recall a similar chorus of displeasure towards the 2008 CBR1000RR when it was first introduced. It turned out to be almost indisputably the best litre bike on the market. Not the most powerful, not the fastest, just the best.

   
Gee, I don't remember anyone saying the CBR weighed too much.  I remember them saying it was the lightest, smallest liter bike ever - 6 lbs more than the 600.

And I don't remember anyone complaining about the range - maybe because it was 4.7 gallons on a *supersport*, not a sport-tourer.

And I don't remember anyone complaining about the suspension, which had all the adjustments the competition did.

Or the price, which was within a hundred dollars of the competition.



Oh, yeah, I *do* remember people complaining that they didn't like the front end styling.  Yes, I agree, that part is the same as the VFR.

Of course, NOW people are complaining about the 2008 CBR because of the significant percentage of them that turned out to drink a quart of oil every thousand miles - which is why leftover 2008s are discounted thousands of dollars in an attempt to get them off the showroom.  Are you suggesting the VFR will be similar in that regard as well?  

KeS

[Baz]

Anyway, as much as I bag on this Honda I would be interested in it but only if it was at a distinct price advantage over the BMW.  So I guess I'll have to wait for a couple o years.

I mentioned this on another thread, but up here in the great white North, the MSP is $1800.00 over the BMW, and BMW's here are considered expensive.

But yea, lets see how many they sell.

[gritsngravy]

Horsepower and torque seem more than adequate for the bikes intended purpose.   Seeing as how that 16k price tag is bugging the hell out of the bargain hunters I submit for the same $$ one can root out a left over '07 vfr (hurry not too many left) AND a left over 08 zx-14 for nearly the same cash.  That way your nagging v4 and 180mph fetish is quenched.  

[falconati]

But not on the same bike  

[bassjones]

Horsepower and torque seem more than adequate for the bikes intended purpose.   Seeing as how that 16k price tag is bugging the hell out of the bargain hunters I submit for the same $$ one can root out a left over '07 vfr (hurry not too many left) AND a left over 08 zx-14 for nearly the same cash.  That way your nagging v4 and 180mph fetish is quenched.  

but then you'd have two basically identical bikes only one would have vastly superior HP numbers...  Now, a leftover 14 with some Givi luggage and bar risers, and a leftover CBR  

[High_Side]

  It's too bad that they hyped the performace of the new VFR so much to build false expectations.  After all, when has a any VFR been at the top of it's class for performance since 1986?  It's not what a VFR is about.  Had they stuck with that marketing angle in all of they hype 140+ hp wouldn't seem that bad to most sport-touring people.

  You can however buy an old Viffer for $2500 that will approach the top speed numbers of the new one.....