VFR1200F Dyno Numbers [motorcyclistonline.com]

[Will_Munny]

I remember hearing such clever phrases as:

nobody will buy this bike

Honda have lost the plot

Honda have lost touch with their customer base

It should have looked like this: (kindergarten-grade MSpaint rendition follows)

wtf were they thinking?

etc etc

   
Gee, I don't remember anyone saying the CBR weighed too much.  I remember them saying it was the lightest, smallest liter bike ever - 6 lbs more than the 600.

And I don't remember anyone complaining about the range - maybe because it was 4.7 gallons on a *supersport*, not a sport-tourer.

And I don't remember anyone complaining about the suspension, which had all the adjustments the competition did.

Or the price, which was within a hundred dollars of the competition.



Oh, yeah, I *do* remember people complaining that they didn't like the front end styling.  Yes, I agree, that part is the same as the VFR.

Of course, NOW people are complaining about the 2008 CBR because of the significant percentage of them that turned out to drink a quart of oil every thousand miles - which is why leftover 2008s are discounted thousands of dollars in an attempt to get them off the showroom.  Are you suggesting the VFR will be similar in that regard as well?  

KeS

[sammyseaman]

Has there been *any* positive press on the VFR1200?  I guess when you claim that your new bike will revolutionize motorcycling and set a new standard, yet it doesn't best any of its competitors in any objective category, press will not be particularly kind.  Maybe when nobody buys the VFR1200, I can pick one up for 10 grand or so, because I still think it's going to be a cool bike!

That's why it's so funny when a manufacturer delivers a bunt instead of a home run. Honda's arrogance is annoying as feck. It reminds me so much of Harley Davidson and GM. Whatever they say the faithful will buy into it. I'd take a 2010 CBR1000 (which sounds like an amazing bike) over this disappointment any day. A Tanklocker and some soft bags and you're golden.

[Squareman357]

I really doubt if you were doing 156mph down the highway someone, anyone will by around to blow by you.

I would....

[Baz]

That's why it's so funny when a manufacturer delivers a bunt instead of a home run. Honda's arrogance is annoying as feck. It reminds me so much of Harley Davidson and GM. Whatever they say the faithful will buy into it.

I have a cousin (related only by marriage  ) who is one of those die hard Honda people. He is even scratching his head over the VFR1200. Especially upon hearing the asking price.

[Ves]

Since the first time I saw the bike, something has been bugging me.  I realized it yesterday...  the front end looks like one of these...


Cycle World has a full writeup on the bike in the April issue.  They liked it... fast, comfortable... maybe by the time I wear out my Bandit the used one's will have decent prices..  

[MustangRider]

Anyone see the new issue of Cycle World?  For a heavy bike, it gets out of the hole pretty quickly.

Qtr mile: 10.33 @ 134.85 mph
0-30: 1.2 sec
0-60: 2.7 sec
0-90: 4.8 sec
0-100: 5.9 sec
40-60: 4.2 sec
60-80: 3.4 sec
Top speed: 157 mph (& the speedo was tested accurate at all speeds)

I thought those numbers were pretty respectable.

[atadaskew]

Anyone see the new issue of Cycle World?  For a heavy bike, it gets out of the hole pretty quickly.

Qtr mile: 10.33 @ 134.85 mph
0-30: 1.2 sec
0-60: 2.7 sec
0-90: 4.8 sec
0-100: 5.9 sec
40-60: 4.2 sec
60-80: 3.4 sec
Top speed: 157 mph (& the speedo was tested accurate at all speeds)

I thought those numbers were pretty respectable.

But much slower than any of its competitors for those that care.  Did you mean to type 175mph not 157?
For me, it's fast enough as I wouldn't use it to race.  Of more concern is the range.  And price seeing what else is being offered in its class.
Was that the auto version?

[Ves]

But much slower than any of its competitors for those that care.  Did you mean to type 175mph not 157?
For me, it's fast enough as I wouldn't use it to race.  Of more concern is the range.  And price seeing what else is being offered in its class.
Was that the auto version?

Cycle World says limited to 157 in both 5th and 6th gear.  Mileage was 34 - 41... average range 167.  They tested the manual transmission version.

[atadaskew]

Mileage was 34 - 41... average range 167.  

Is that range till dry or till reserve?

[Justin]

Cycle World says limited to 157 in both 5th and 6th gear.  Mileage was 34 - 41... average range 167.  They tested the manual transmission version.

Geez, I get better range than that on the Busa, even when riding over 100 MPH..  that's the one thing that kills the bike for me.. It's a touring bike, you should get over 200 miles minimum per tank.

[Squareman357]

Geez, I get better range than that on the Busa, even when riding over 100 MPH..  that's the one thing that kills the bike for me.. It's a touring bike, you should get over 200 miles minimum per tank.

I was thinking that myself about the ZX.  If I run 100 mph on a tank, steady throttle, I can get 165 miles to reserve.  I can get 200 to reserve if I do 85 mph on a tank, steady throttle.  I'm betting, once it's broken in, it SHOULD get better mileage than has been listed.  I remember when I first got the ZX, and it was barely getting 35 mpg...

[Ves]

Is that range till dry or till reserve?

Dry...

[tomek]

But much slower than any of its competitors for those that care.  Did you mean to type 175mph not 157?
For me, it's fast enough as I wouldn't use it to race.  Of more concern is the range.  And price seeing what else is being offered in its class.
Was that the auto version?

1/4 mile times are better then BMW1300S,main competitor,Honda joined NEW World Order and equipped new viffer with electronic governor,hence 157 mph speed limit.
I`m pretty sure guys like Erion will come up with device that defeats it for those that care,,,, Remember,Sport Rider picked up Bimmer over Hayabusa.According to Cycle World new Honda is all golden.

All things being equal I would pick up Honda over BMW anytime based on reliability record and reputation.
Both, Bimmer and Honda have silly fuel tanks,4.9 and 5.0.

[atadaskew]

All things being equal I would pick up Honda over BMW anytime based on reliability record and reputation.
Both, Bimmer and Honda have silly fuel tanks,4.9 and 5.0.

The Honda R&D guys that I ran into recently who were riding the BMW with the Honda did not come to that conclusion..
They really liked the Honda's auto box, but really liked the BMW's features (less weight, more power, more range, ESA suspension).

They actually said the bike they liked the most was the pre-VTEC VFR!

[tomek]

Where did you find more power,they both make mid 140`s,when was the last time you`ve heard about Honda`s final drives exploding or owners being sent to the dealer for yet another ECU remap ? Honda has much,much better record in this regard.

BMW may weight 30-40 pounds less but is slightly slower in 1/4 mile anyway,,,,

Cycle World,,,,,,,,,,,"This manual-shift VFR1200F is an exceptionally good performing,highly refined sporting motorcycle.It offers a depth of competence,ease of operation and technical execution that lets you know Honda definitely means it."
It sayz all.

[atadaskew]

1/Where did you find more power,they both make mid 140`s,.....

2/Cycle World,,,,,,,,,,,"This manual-shift VFR1200F is an exceptionally good performing,highly refined sporting motorcycle.It offers a depth of competence,ease of operation and technical execution that lets you know Honda definitely means it."
It sayz all.

1/  Check the beginning of this thread.  Honda makes 142, BMW makes 148.  BMW also makes more torque.

2/  That is a nice quote. But what does that sayl?  That a magazine that derives it's existence from advertising likes the Honda?
The VFR of course is a very nice bike.  But when Honda R&D staff tell me how much they like the BMW's extra power, less weight etc then THAT sez it all.
Posted on: February 28, 2010, 07:16:03 pm

BMW may weight 30-40 pounds less but is slightly slower in 1/4 mile anyway,,,,

Maybe it is slightly slower in the 1/4 mile, but that may be due Honda's shorter gearing.  Which some may say is why they conveniently impose a 157mph speed limiter.  Cuz it won't go that much faster anyway .  But having a speed limiter installed hides the reality that w/o it it still will be much slower than it's rivals.

Anyway, this is just bs-ing.  If I had any of these bikes, I would not ride them anywhere near their top speeds so it's all a hypothetical.

[Will_Munny]

2/  That is a nice quote. But what does that sayl?  That a magazine that derives it's existence from advertising likes the Honda?

Oh fuck off that's such a lame useless argument. So the Cycle World writers just pretended to love the VFR because Honda advertises with them? Does BMW not advertise in Cycle World?

If they were really slaves to their advertisers they would not have comparison tests.

[falconati]

Lil defensive there, eh Will?  What kind of bike....oh, never mind.

[atadaskew]

Oh fuck off that's such a lame useless argument. So the Cycle World writers just pretended to love the VFR because Honda advertises with them? Does BMW not advertise in Cycle World?

If they were really slaves to their advertisers they would not have comparison tests.

How rude!

Interesting you ignore the comments by the Honda doods that I had a chat with.
Look, of course it's a nice bike.  But after all these years we just were expecting something spectacular. Not just nice.
I met them at a SoCal hangout called the RockStore.  They had 4 new VFR12s, 2 VFR Vtecs and 2 BMW K1300s bikes.

I'll let you guess which bike is mine..
 

[JamesG]

Since the first time I saw the bike, something has been bugging me.  I realized it yesterday...  the front end looks like one of these...

Now THAT is a bit harsh...