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« on: February 05, 2010, 11:30:25 AM »

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With the arrival of the new Multistrada 1200, Ducati will reach a significant milestone in the company's engineering history by extending the periods between major services on the new model to an owner-friendly 15,000 miles.

Doubling the mileage between valve clearance inspection has been made possible with the introduction of a new valve seat material combined with improved combustion efficiency and temperature management designed into the Multistrada's new Testastretta 11° engine.

So called because of its minimised 11° of 'valve overlap' - the interval of crankshaft rotation during which both the intake and exhaust valves are open at the same time - the new Desmodromic power plant not only transforms the world championship-winning 1198 configuration into a super-smooth 150hp motor for sport touring, but also improves fuel efficiency, emissions and cost of scheduled maintenance.

First revealed at the Milan International Motorcycle Show in November 2009, the Ducati Multistrada 1200 combines innovative design and unprecedented technology to unleash a four-bikes-in-one concept. Sport, Touring, Urban and Enduro riding modes now enable a customisable riding experience separated by just one click.

Arriving in Ducati showrooms from early 2010, the 189kg (417lb) Multistrada 1200 is offered with optional ABS, while the flagship Multistrada 1200 S presents ABS and Ducati Electronic Suspension by Öhlins as standard equipment. The 1200 S is available in 'Sport edition' with specific components in carbon fibre or 'Touring edition' with side luggage, heated grips and centre stand.

A long list of pre-orders for the Italian manufacturer's latest masterpiece reflects the massive interest generated since its official unveiling, an interest now further enhanced by the added benefit of more 'strada' between major services.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2010, 11:34:29 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2010, 11:43:49 AM »

This bike should be the best SPORT touring bike on the market.  Finally, an ST bike that's actually built for fun and not some bloated poser.  

Way to go Ducati!  Clap
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2010, 01:50:11 PM »

loved this thing at the show. Climbed all over it. Very nice (ok, other than the snout...dunno about that but in carbon fibre it looked ok). The guys there didnt mention 15k mile service intervals...THAT is hot news....if you want a sport tourer  and dont need big wind and weather protection this could be a blast...bring your check book as they aint cheap.

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 03:25:03 PM »

ooh! 15k miles!  Adjust the valves and replace the belts.  Nice!
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2010, 06:47:13 PM »

Wow, I said if they increased the maintenance schedule I'd buy one.
Now how am I going to come up with that much $?
Anyone want an 04 Multi with 38,000+ miles.................................. ....................................... ..................................?
 Headscratch hum, I didn't think so.
This is going to take some serious budget adjustment.  Lol
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2010, 07:27:23 PM »

Glad you posted a picture of the best color.   Bigsmile
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2010, 08:43:00 PM »



Anyone want an 04 Multi with 38,000+ miles.................................. ....................................... ..................................?



Well, since you offered...  sure!  

Do you want me to pick it up or are you going to deliver? Bigsmile

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2010, 10:38:04 PM »

So, is this going to be for all 2010 bikes, or just the Multi?

Either way, this is really dangerous news for my wallet.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2010, 12:44:08 AM »


So, is this going to be for all 2010 bikes, or just the Multi?


Multi only based on the wording in the first sentence.
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2010, 01:39:05 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2010, 04:49:21 AM »

15K adjust.....oh crap ,I can hear my wallet opening  Lol
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2010, 06:19:18 AM »

Saw the bike at the show. I was very impressed. It's on my short-list for my next bike.
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2010, 08:57:30 AM »


This bike should be the best SPORT touring bike on the market.  Finally, an ST bike that's actually built for fun and not some bloated poser.  

Way to go Ducati!  Clap


It's not a ST.  Bigok It's a metrosexual, urban commando wanna be adventure bike, so *all* posurs will be covered, including bloated ones, *and* YOU!.  Twofinger
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It's not a ST.  Bigok It's a metrosexual, urban commando wanna be adventure bike, so *all* posurs will be covered, including bloated ones, *and* YOU!.  Twofinger


Or you could call it an sport-touring bike that actually sells instead of being a showroom anchor like the ST series.  Bigsmile
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2010, 12:28:19 PM »

Hmmm.... 15k miles is something that sparks a little interest for me.

Nicely done Ducati.
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2010, 02:34:07 PM »

Do I really need to maintain the house? I mean all that siding nonsense, if I'm not at home will I really mind?
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2010, 05:07:38 PM »

Strange that they bill it as a Sport Touring bike and give it only a 20l (5.2 gal) fuel tank.  Thumbsdown What has happened to decent sized tanks?  Headscratch Kawasaki did the same stupid thing with their new Concours. I was actually sort of excited about this bike until I read that in the specs.  Sad
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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2010, 05:13:52 PM »

It looks tight, like a tiger:




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Strange that they bill it as a Sport Touring bike and give it only a 20l (5.2 gal) fuel tank.  Thumbsdown What has happened to decent sized tanks?  Headscratch Kawasaki did the same stupid thing with their new Concours. I was actually sort of excited about this bike until I read that in the specs.  Sad


What the hell?  "Oh it has a small tank so its useless"  5.2 gallons is NOT small....that's an over 200 mile range or around 4 hours of riding time.  Frankly its time to get off the bike at that point.

I'm looking for a sport-touring bike...not a touring bike...aka a land barge .
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« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2010, 07:15:01 PM »

I agree - 5.2 gallons is a decent amount.  Of course I'd like more (maybe 6.5  Bigsmile ), but if it's 5 or more gallons, I'm happy.
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« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2010, 09:48:22 PM »

Aww geez...  I honestly didn't mind being poor until now.
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Or you could call it an sport-touring bike that actually sells instead of being a showroom anchor like the ST series.  Bigsmile


They were a slow selling model, and were discontinued, like the SS models. But if we follow your logic through, that better selling bikes are better bikes, then I guess HD makes the best bike. Smile  

And no, you can't call it a ST because it's *not* what Ducati calls it. Of course, one can "ST" on anything, right?  
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2010, 07:06:15 AM »

If the ST3 had a 15,000 mile valve check interval it would have been the perfect Sport Touring machine.

The new Multistrada with it's comfortable seating position, 150 HP, traction control, anti lock brakes, Ohlins Suspension, heated grips and 15,000 mile valve check interval is almost perfect, only one remaining flaw, the price  Sad

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I agree - 5.2 gallons is a decent amount.  Of course I'd like more (maybe 6.5  Bigsmile ), but if it's 5 or more gallons, I'm happy.


One of the things that happens with a much larger fuel tank is it handles like CRAP for about the first half of the tank.  So there is a balance there.  
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If you want it all, you have to be willing to pay for it all.


That is a general life quote right there.   Bigsmile
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The new Multistrada with it's comfortable seating position, 150 HP, traction control, anti lock brakes, Ohlins Suspension, heated grips and 15,000 mile valve check interval is almost perfect, only one remaining flaw, the price  Sad

If you want it all, you have to be willing to pay for it all.


This is how I look at something like this.  If this is the near perfect bike then it would be something I'd probably own for 10 years or more.  Over the long run, it's probably going to cost less then buying 3 new bikes over a 10 year period trying to find that "perfect bike".
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If the ST3 had a 15,000 mile valve check interval it would have been the perfect Sport Touring machine.

The new Multistrada with it's comfortable seating position, 150 HP, traction control, anti lock brakes, Ohlins Suspension, heated grips and 15,000 mile valve check interval is almost perfect, only one remaining flaw, the price  Sad

If you want it all, you have to be willing to pay for it all.


I love my ST3.  I really prefer air-cooled but if u want the HP...  The ST would have been better with a single sided swingarm IMHO.  I could really go for the new Multi, even if I hate the snout.  Gotta wait a few years, save my pennies, see if it's sorted out.  I just hope there is a lower cost version without all the traction control, ABS, etc.  What are the colors for 2010?
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2010, 12:20:48 PM »


If the ST3 had a 15,000 mile valve check interval it would have been the perfect Sport Touring machine.

The new Multistrada with it's comfortable seating position, 150 HP, traction control, anti lock brakes, Ohlins Suspension, heated grips and 15,000 mile valve check interval is almost perfect, only one remaining flaw, the price  Sad

If you want it all, you have to be willing to pay for it all.


One can fit MBP collets on a ST3 and have 18K intervals. And remember, we are, and always have been, talking about *inspections* here, not adjustments in all cases. As some ST owners have stated they reguarly do 18K before adjustments, no reason to think the ST3 will not perform the same way, once past X amount of miles, ie well broken in. Mine are due for inspection this spring, ie 24K, and I'll see how many are out of spec. But, I hope to be doing the work myself, and I think that has a lot to do with it, ie I will know first hand how many actually needed adjusting, rather than trusting my dealer, which I don't. I believe they "adjusted" shims that did not need adjustments, if in fact they did adjust them. But money grabbing dealers should not be confused with the machinery. Yes, desmos are a high precision system, but even Ducati's desmo innovator Dr T is on record for saying a well designed desmo system could stay in spec for up to 50K!! The Ducati desmo system is well sorted , thats for sure.  So, if the new Multi does have better seats, and more gentle cam lobes, no reason to think it won't stay in spec for 20+ k once broken in.  Thumbsup

Most people make the mistake of confusing the inspection interval with adjustments interval, and it is not always one and the same.  Smile
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Most people make the mistake of confusing the inspection interval with adjustments interval, and it is not always one and the same.  Smile


I don't know about Ducs in this regard but some bikes...might as well make the adjustment once you got it opened.  BMW Boxer motors is a no brainer due to the threaded adjustor but alot of the I-4 supersports are so tight to work on them its "almost" easier to just drop the motor and make the adjustments to make them perfect.  


What I'm hoping to do with my Multi is the first valve inspection/adjustment to have the dealer do it but after that I want to do it.  I understand it'll cost me some money in some speciality tools but that's fine...more tools == gooooodd.   Inlove
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Aww geez...  I honestly didn't mind being poor until now.


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« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2010, 06:17:23 PM »


What are the colors for 2010?


White, and two boring ones  Bigsmile
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« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2010, 11:00:07 PM »


White, and two boring ones  Bigsmile


I like the way you think! (I've got a white one on order)
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« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2010, 07:45:46 AM »


If the ST3 had a 15,000 mile valve check interval it would have been the perfect Sport Touring machine.



I fully agree.  I don't need more horsepower on my ST machine than my ST3 has.  My only gripe is the maintenance.
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I like the way you think! (I've got a white one on order)



Because red clay on the white bodywork makes such an aesthetically pleasing contrast?
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Because red clay on the white bodywork makes such an aesthetically pleasing contrast?


At least one can see the red clay...with a red bike the thing would turn orange and you'd never know why.   Lol
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« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2010, 10:34:49 PM »

The only time you'll be getting red clay on a $15,000 MTS1200 is its cartwheeling thru the dirt on the side of the road.
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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2010, 11:09:42 PM »

I love it! Great bike from Ducati and I would be all over this if I did not need a 2-up sports touring bike.  Headscratch
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I love it! Great bike from Ducati and I would be all over this if I did not need a 2-up sports touring bike.  Headscratch


You haven't seen the video of it being ridden 2-up with topcase?  The passenger seat apparently is comfy, with lots of leg room.  Look where the passenger pegs are.
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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2010, 10:42:11 AM »

Yup, the passanger accommodations coupled with that amount of power and lack of weight, are some of the most attractive features of this bike to me.


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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2010, 10:49:29 AM »




You haven't seen the video of it being ridden 2-up with topcase?  The passenger seat apparently is comfy, with lots of leg room.  Look where the passenger pegs are.


I will go check it out but I am 6'5" and 300 pounds so I am never hopeful. Having said that I think I am going to need to take this one out for a test drive.
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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2010, 10:52:36 AM »




I will go check it out but I am 6'5" and 300 pounds so I am never hopeful. Having said that I think I am going to need to take this one out for a test drive.


You'll need to re-spring the bike.  But at 300lbs you'll need to respring any bike.
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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2010, 10:54:21 AM »




You'll need to re-spring the bike.  But at 300lbs you'll need to respring any bike.


Correct, I replaced the Yamaha springs with Penski suspension that takes our weight into account.
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« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2010, 08:11:22 AM »

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« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2010, 12:04:23 PM »

Can we replace this thread on the index page with something at least a little more attractive, like the Yam Super Tenere thread?


I throw up a little bit every time I see that fugly white Duc pointing its nostrils at me... Crazy
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« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2010, 12:26:06 PM »


The only time you'll be getting red clay on a $15,000 MTS1200 is its cartwheeling thru the dirt on the side of the road.
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« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2010, 03:32:24 PM »

Just read the Bike magazine article on this beast.
Makes me wish the nearest Ducati dealer wasn't 300 miles away. Sad
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Can we replace this thread on the index page with something at least a little more attractive, like the Yam Super Tenere thread?


I throw up a little bit every time I see that fugly white Duc pointing its nostrils at me... Crazy


Maybe you can have your own subforum with Brad, where he whines about the 1125 and you whine about how you don't like the Multistrada's design  Razz
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« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2010, 04:07:06 PM »

I read that there are three versions of this bike.  Standard, Sport (with all the CF pieces) and Touring (with luggage and heated grips).  How about a forth, Sport-Touring (with all the CF pieces & the luggage and heated grips)?  Come on!  That's what I want, in black, please....
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I read that there are three versions of this bike.  Standard, Sport (with all the CF pieces) and Touring (with luggage and heated grips).  How about a forth, Sport-Touring (with all the CF pieces & the luggage and heated grips)?  Come on!  That's what I want, in black, please....


You will be able to buy the CF bits seperately.  You will also be able to buy the luggage, heated grips and center stand seperately.

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Maybe you can have your own subforum with Brad, where he whines about the 1125 and you whine about how you don't like the Multistrada's design  Razz


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Maybe you can have your own subforum with Brad, where he whines about the 1125 and you whine about how you don't like the Multistrada's design  Razz


Maybe add Bunburnergold and all things BMW. Lol
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We 'get' you don't like the looks. The good news is, if you encounter one on the road, you'll only have to see the front end for a brief few seconds if you happen to be looking in your review mirror at the time. Once you're passed like you're standing still, you can look at the ass-end for a few seconds, and then never again as you'll just be left in the dust of a Superior motorcycle  Lol .




I'll honk and wave as I ride by you while you're parked at the side of the road getting written up by the radar unit LEO you blew by when passing me wrapped up in your delusions of podiums. At least you admit you'll be on pavement. Nice of you to pay Ducati all that money for features you won't be using.  Bigok Yah, you enjoy that bike ther big guy.  Wink Old Japanese saying: "A great caligrapher does not need an expensive brush." Guess you need a "superior bike" to compensate for skill. Wink  Lol Just kidding. Seriously, I hope you enjoy your new bike: good choice.  Thumbsup
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I'll honk and wave as I ride by you while you're parked at the side of the road getting written up by the radar unit LEO you blew by when passing me wrapped up in your delusions of podiums. At least you admit you'll be on pavement. Nice of you to pay Ducati all that money for features you won't be using.  Bigok Yah, you enjoy that bike ther big guy.  Wink Old Japanese saying: "A great caligrapher does not need an expensive brush." Guess you need a "superior bike" to compensate for skill. Wink  Lol Just kidding. Seriously, I hope you enjoy your new bike: good choice.  Thumbsup


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I'll honk and wave as I ride by you while you're parked at the side of the road getting written up by the radar unit LEO you blew by when passing me wrapped up in your delusions of podiums. At least you admit you'll be on pavement. Nice of you to pay Ducati all that money for features you won't be using.  Bigok Yah, you enjoy that bike ther big guy.  Wink Old Japanese saying: "A great caligrapher does not need an expensive brush." Guess you need a "superior bike" to compensate for skill. Wink  Lol Just kidding. Seriously, I hope you enjoy your new bike: good choice.  Thumbsup


Yeah, sorry, perhaps too much bravado on the performance side in my reply to JamesG's repeated negative posts about the looks. Though truth be told, since I live in California, there're plenty of 'virtually' un-patrolled roads to sample the top ends of performance, both insanely twisty and straight.  

Ohhh...wait...yeah there's empty unpatrolled straights to briefly sample top speed if you wish. Though for the twisty bits you can't really go top-performance because of those niggly bits about potential sand/gravel in the road and perhaps a cager in your lane coming round the next turn. Still, after you slow round the bend to avoid trashing yourself and/or a 20k machine, 150 HP on the exit with a clean sight-line ahead doesn't hurt in the enjoyment factor.  Bigsmile

As far as features not used, yeah probably won't use city mode too much, though I do a lot of city riding. Can't really see myself cutting back on HP for any reason. Ok, might use it on rainy days...   Wink


 






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What features am I paying for that I won't be using?   Headscratch


I figure most new Multi12 owners will fiddle with the settings for about a year or 2, ie "riding seasons" in my case,  and then settle on either sport or sport T as the default setting for most of their riding. I mean even Domenicalli stated 95% will never see serious off roading. It's a street sport bike, like the original.  Smile

I've heard 2 different things: 1) that one can shift settings on the fly; 2) that the bike has to be at a stand still to switch settings. Which one is it?
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« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2010, 06:52:51 AM »

3 second delay on switching between the 4 modes but can be done while moving.  Delay is probably there to keep the electric adjusters from going apeshit from rapid changes.

ABS off only at a stop (keeps the wheel-speed sensors from getting confused if they always have a zero speed reference), and I think the various load settings (1-up, 2-up, 1-up loaded, etc) are also done only from a standstill.  Probably for liability reasons, some twit could sue Ducati because he went agricultural while trying to decipher the settings menu while riding.  

That, and unless "the bitch fell off", there's no real need to change load settings while moving. Smile
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Of course, one can "ST" on anything, right?  


Not according to county

The new Multi in base trim is an OK price, I guess. The packages add up right quick, though. I'd want to drop the traction management and add ABS and a 3-box setup for me. I don't need the ESA.
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Not according to county

The new Multi in base trim is an OK price, I guess. The packages add up right quick, though. I'd want to drop the traction management and add ABS and a 3-box setup for me. I don't need the ESA.


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Not according to county

The new Multi in base trim is an OK price, I guess. The packages add up right quick, though. I'd want to drop the traction management and add ABS and a 3-box setup for me. I don't need the ESA.


Why would you drop the traction control?  Besides you can turn it off if you don't want it ...until it rains and you wish you had it. Smile
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Why would you drop the traction control?  Besides you can turn it off if you don't want it ...until it rains and you wish you had it. Smile


How about riding like it's raining instead of like it's not? Or, are you suggesting that with TC you can ride like it's not when it is?  Ahhh, caught in the act: let the technology replace riding skill/good judgement, right?  Bigok
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How about riding like it's raining instead of like it's not? Or, are you suggesting that with TC you can ride like it's not when it is?  Ahhh, caught in the act: let the technology replace riding skill/good judgement, right?  Bigok


I'm suggesting that even in the rain riding like it is raining there are times when TC would help out.  For instance running around city streets.  Man hole covers, cross walk lines, oil floating on the water, etc are all things which can make it very slippery and with TC it can help.  Just like how ABS can help.
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I'm suggesting that even in the rain riding like it is raining there are times when TC would help out.  For instance running around city streets.  Man hole covers, cross walk lines, oil floating on the water, etc are all things which can make it very slippery and with TC it can help.  Just like how ABS can help.


None of those hazards could not be handled without exercising caution in wet conditions. Will TC work when you're leaned into a corner and slide due to slick conditions instead of wheel spin? I've rode my bike in biblical downpours for days at a time on tour riding on skinny bias ply tires without the "benefits" of TC, and had no traction issues. I used caution and good riding skill for water covered roads when I had too, and I'm sure on a sport touring forum, most others have too so there are literally millions of TC free miles racked up riding in the wet without incident that shows TC is not *needed.* (Same can be said for ABS  Wink) But, sure, I'll agree, it can help out some times in the wet, but *if* one's  riding like it will bail him out instead of slowing down, it's not a question of if, but rather when will "technology confident" bad riding habits catch up with him.  Sad

Let's admit it, TC's attraction is that riders will be able to pin it exiting corners and not have to feel their way through. Look out Stoner, here comes a herd of middle aged wanna be dreamers with some disposable income up your back side. Lol Not that there's anything wrong with that, (sounds a little like me  Lol) as it's all good fun, but I feel touting TC as a wet condtions safety feature rather than a go fast feature is specious.  Smile
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...Let's admit it, TC's attraction is that riders will be able to pin it exiting corners and not have to feel their way through. Look out Stoner, here comes a herd of middle aged wanna be dreamers with some disposable income up your back side. Lol Not that there's anything wrong with that, (sounds a little like me  Lol) as it's all good fun, but I feel touting TC as a wet condtions safety feature rather than a go fast feature is specious.  Smile



Yeah, nicely put, sort of  Lol . As a middle-aged guy with disposable income (read: no wife, no kids, no mortgage), I'm not even sure what to think about the TC feature. Though, I'm sure I won't be compelled to ride willy-nilly hoping to be saved by technology.

My main attraction to the MTS 1200 is that it has similar HP to my C-14 and similar bumpy back-road suspension friendly-ness to my V-Strom 1k. Eh, I'm not really buying 4-bikes in one, but I'm for sure buying two bikes in one.

No doubt the push-button suspension adjustments gave a big lure as well. Because, well...I'm a lazy fuck and generally don't dial in suspension between switching from two-up with bags, one up with no bags, etc. Normal course is to dial everything for two-up with bags and that's the way it stays. I like the lazy-fuck instant suspension adjustment.

I like ABS, though I have no miracle story to share on how it saved my ass. So far I mostly like it because I can just fooking stab the rear brake deep and hard whilst rolling off the throttle and go from 110 to 70 mph without the tell-tail deep front-end dive you get from the front-brake that tips the observing officer that you're on to them.  Crazy  Lol . Still, for me, I don't pretend I can overcome a 'panic braking' scenario. Since there's no way to practice 'panic' braking, I think ABS is good insurance for not laying 'er down in the process if it ever comes up.

Any-case, I agree. If your making a right or left turn on a city street in the rain and your front tire runs across a man-hole cover, painted lines, etc. No technology has been invented yet to keep you from crashing in common sense. look where you're going situations....


 









 
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« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2010, 08:35:26 AM »

The funny thing with TC and ABS...it only has to work once for it to pay for itself.

TC has potentially save me from embarrassment in my Vette several time.  TC would have been handy on the FJR a couple times.  I remember once accelerating down a slick, wet on ramp all cross up at 70 mph. Crazy  ABS has also save my butt on the FJR at least once that I can recall.

Lightweight, high powered vehicles are susceptible to all kinds of wheel spin, especially in the wet/slick.  I don't worry too much about it in the dry.  So, if I can get wheel spin on the FJR, I imagine the MTS with more hp and 150 fewer pounds could be a handful on slick roads unless you ride it like a Nancy. Lol
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None of those hazards could not be handled without exercising caution in wet conditions. Will TC work when you're leaned into a corner and slide due to slick conditions instead of wheel spin? I've rode my bike in biblical downpours for days at a time on tour riding on skinny bias ply tires without the "benefits" of TC, and had no traction issues. I used caution and good riding skill for water covered roads when I had too, and I'm sure on a sport touring forum, most others have too so there are literally millions of TC free miles racked up riding in the wet without incident that shows TC is not *needed.* (Same can be said for ABS  Wink) But, sure, I'll agree, it can help out some times in the wet, but *if* one's  riding like it will bail him out instead of slowing down, it's not a question of if, but rather when will "technology confident" bad riding habits catch up with him.  Sad

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« Reply #68 on: March 12, 2010, 07:29:13 PM »


Any-case, I agree. If your making a right or left turn on a city street in the rain and your front tire runs across a man-hole cover, painted lines, etc. No technology has been invented yet to keep you from crashing in common sense. look where you're going situations....


Even riding with "common sense" doesn't mean you'll be able to avoid the situation.  
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« Reply #70 on: March 18, 2010, 11:27:25 AM »


The new Multi in base trim is an OK price, I guess. The packages add up right quick, though. I'd want to drop the traction management and add ABS and a 3-box setup for me. I don't need the ESA.


Moot point.   Ducati's Traction Control is standard on all models of the Multistrada 1200.   You can turn it off if you like.   Same usage with the ABS.  If you feel you dont need it, turn it off.  

Update on the auxillary power outlets by the way.  "Capacity is up to 8 amps  and the outlets are protected by a 10A fuse."

In conserving power the headlight low beam does not come on automatically til you start the engine as well.    
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Update on the auxillary power outlets by the way.  "Capacity is up to 8 amps  and the outlets are protected by a 10A fuse."


Noice! Bigok

Good to see Ducati did an update from the first published spec.
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« Reply #72 on: March 18, 2010, 04:33:02 PM »


Update on the auxillary power outlets by the way.  "Capacity is up to 8 amps  and the outlets are protected by a 10A fuse."


AWESOMEness....I think I'm gonna start calling you now to see if my bike is here yet.   Lol
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« Reply #73 on: March 18, 2010, 06:18:23 PM »



Update on the auxillary power outlets by the way.  "Capacity is up to 8 amps  and the outlets are protected by a 10A fuse."


I'm assuming this is a total of 8 amps capacity.

So can  each outlet actually take the 8 amps separately?  In other words, can you plug something that takes 8 amps into one outlet without smoking the plug/wires on that outlet?

Is each outlet fused, or just one 10A fuse the feeds all the outlets.
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« Reply #74 on: March 21, 2010, 03:06:24 AM »

I was at my dealer Thursday.  No 1200, yet but two 1100S on the floor.
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« Reply #75 on: March 21, 2010, 07:12:53 PM »


I was at my dealer Thursday.  No 1200, yet but two 1100S on the floor.


Don't worry...there will be a thread of one of us getting our new MTS1200 when they show up.  No need to go to your dealer to look for it.  Lol
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Don't worry...there will be a thread of one of us getting our new MTS1200 when they show up.  No need to go to your dealer to look for it.  Lol


Hmmm, makes we wonder how the delivery works. We both have big shipping ports nearby. Does California or Washington get first delivery? I guess we find out (hopefully) soon...  Bigsmile
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« Reply #77 on: March 21, 2010, 11:45:47 PM »

I'd think the east coast would get them first.  Probably a tie between CA and WA.
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« Reply #78 on: March 22, 2010, 12:04:45 AM »

most often port of entry will be NJ first...  I would recommend everyone with a deposit confirm their color and model choice with your dealer before months end.  We register our MTS priority reservations with deposits  with Ducati NA starting April 1st.
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I'd think the east coast would get them first.  Probably a tie between CA and WA.


 Embarassment  Yeah, I'm so used to ordering from Japan, I forgot the world order for delivery will be reversed. Sucks for me  (to think my baby will be beat to shit riding in a truck on a cross county road trip before I even get delivery.  Sad

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Don't worry...there will be a thread of one of us getting our new MTS1200 when they show up.  No need to go to your dealer to look for it.  Lol


and I still really want that 1100S!
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