Let's put it to rest for once.

[Schneegz]

Wow... TWO pod pics in one post.  I'm impressed!  

[Roadscum]

A great 8th post roadscum.  Really.  Good Job.  Welcome to S-T.net  

Thank you for your warm welcome.  


I'm sooo tired of hearing about how H-D Buell cut loose BMC. Buell was unable to make it alone and chose to hook up with H-D.  Buell poured many $$$ into Buell with no payback, no profit. How much $$$ do you expect H-D to pour down the Buell hole????

I've owned two Buell in the past but it's not about the product it's about profit.
Anyone with an ounce of business understands the need for profit... no??

[Brad1445]

Yes.  And a bit of a drama queen, too.

You have know idea how much more I could go on.    


I really am more flabbergasted than words can say.  Its like watching a meth victim do themselves in.




alll could have been prevented

[Rogue]

I'm sooo tired of hearing about how H-D Buell cut loose BMC. Buell was unable to make it alone and chose to hook up with H-D.  Buell poured many $$$ into Buell with no payback, no profit. How much $$$ do you expect H-D to pour down the Buell hole????

I've owned two Buell in the past but it's not about the product it's about profit.
Anyone with an ounce of business understands the need for profit... no??

You are very late in this conversation and the reasons for H-D shutting down has been discussed in many other threads.  It's clear you have very little understanding of the politics & business decisions behind the shutdown.  

In addition, even though you claim to have owned two Buells in the past, you still don't understand the spirit behind it.  It IS all about the product to Erik Buell.  That is his one and only driving spirit in all his bikes.  That is what seperated him from H-D.  

Finally, nobody asked you to drop by in the Buell forum and read this thread.  If you say your are so sick of it, then leave.  

[Roadscum]

You are very late in this conversation and the reasons for H-D shutting down has been discussed in many other threads.  It's clear you have very little understanding of the politics & business decisions behind the shutdown.  

In addition, even though you claim to have owned two Buells in the past, you still don't understand the spirit behind it.  It IS all about the product to Erik Buell.  That is his one and only driving spirit in all his bikes.  That is what seperated him from H-D.  

Finally, nobody asked you to drop by in the Buell forum and read this thread.  If you say your are so sick of it, then leave.  

Silly me.... I  thought this thread was about the suicide,  Am I wrong??
I didn't realize decenting facts opinions were not welcome, kinda like the premier Buell forum.

[chornbe]

Quick show of hands... who here work(ed/s) at Harley-Davidson and/or Buell During all this?

[tankhead]

 
I just want to see one more picture of the pods before I put this thread to bed  

[macdiver]

Silly me.... I  thought this thread was about the suicide,  Am I wrong??
I didn't realize decenting facts opinions were not welcome, kinda like the premier Buell forum.

Na.  The thread is about trying to get Brad past his anger with Buell.  The interview and link was just to get the bashing going again.

[Brad1445]

Quick show of hands... who here work(ed/s) at Harley-Davidson and/or Buell During all this?

Also who here was a customer.

Nothing happens without customers buying your products.

[Prubert]

Quick show of hands... who here work(ed/s) at Harley-Davidson and/or Buell During all this?

[tankhead]

yeah I'm about done....... night.

[chornbe]

Also who here was a customer.

Nothing happens without customers buying your products.

no argument at all. lots of non-employees and non-customers commenting (myself included) and speaking as pundits (myself not included).

The fact remains - the people who know the "real story" probably don't post much on ST.N.  

[BobW]

^   Bulls Eye! Chris


Good Night Gracy

[falconati]

But if we actually KNEW the details, then what would we talk about all winter?  

[Rogue]

Silly me.... I  thought this thread was about the suicide,  Am I wrong??

You're wrong in less than 10 posts.

It's a Buell Forum.  You want us Buell owners to be happy or indifferent and blame Buell and Erik Buell for it?    You come off as being Brad's best friend and we're all sick of his BS already.

[Brad1445]

You're wrong in less than 10 posts.

It's a Buell Forum.  You want us Buell owners to be happy or indifferent and blame Buell and Erik Buell for it?    You come off as being Brad's best friend and we're all sick of his BS already.

what have I said that is BS,

Buell is gone, looks like the facts support the reality I speak of.

All you do is blame everyone but the people that made the bikes.

cold hard facts

[Brad1445]

Silly me.... I  thought this thread was about the suicide,  Am I wrong??
I didn't realize decenting facts opinions were not welcome, kinda like the premier Buell forum.

What is happening to free speech.

Why are so many people here  that never liked Buells before,  and never bought Buells all defensive why they were shot down. They are available for purchase now, go get one at half off!

Economics 101

These silly conspiracy theories make the posters look silly as if they are talking about Roswell or bigfoot.

Simple supply and demand.

Most the Buell lineup was dated and non competitive and the latest offering was simply rejected by the  buying public.

Why is that so hard to understand.


What is it that makes people deny the truth of the lack of popularity of the 1125.  Why does it cause this divisive  childlike behavior of Harley Black helicopters.  

Its purely illogical to think Harley wanted Buell to fail.  They want to make money and happy customers.  But you have to have a product that people will pay fair value for to succeed.

No sales = No Income = Game over.

[wbrisett]

No sales = No Income = Game over.

Do you even look at HD's annual reports?

Here are numbers from the reports you can find online at HD's site:

Year	Sales	Unit Sales	Unit increase	Percentage
2004	79,029	9,857
2005	93,069	11,166	14,040	15.09%
2006	102,227	12,460	9,158	8.96%
2007	100,534	11,513	-1,693	-1.68%
2008	123,086	13,119	22,552	18.32%
2009 (1-3 qtr)	92,999	8,753

2007 (pre 1125) wasn't a great year, but 2008 was. Doesn't seem that there were "no sales". But sales were a rounding error to HD sales.

At least get the numbers first Brad. Then you can post pod pics and continue saying they had no sales.

[chornbe]

Yeah, but where's the breakdown of HD vs. Buell models sold? For that matter and for my own pickiness, I'd love to see a break down of the Harley frames sold. I know there were at least 3 v-rods sold in '08. I can't imagine too many more, though. Man, are those things just sitting.

[wbrisett]

Yeah, but where's the breakdown of HD vs. Buell models sold?

Right here: http://investor.harley-davidson.com/annual.cfm
 

Buell sales were absolutely nothing compared to HDs, but I didn't say they were, just that there weren't "nothing" as Brad keeps wanting to claim.

Quote from 2008 annual report:  Riders with the streetfighter attitude have responded feverishly to the year’s lineup—in North America, Buell retail sales were up 10 percent in 2008.

This of course the year that the 1125 came out. The year of their demise according to Brad.