In the wake of Buell, Harley brings over the XR1200X

[Rincewind]

Harley is offering their new XR1200X to the US market for 2011.  This is similar to the XR1200 with some uprated suspension and performance forks.  

Will this new X model attract ostracized Buellers?  Or are they still too pissed to even consider it?  If the Buell-sympathizers are reluctant to buy, then who will buy it?  Sportster riders wanting more Sport?  Or is this gonna bring a new crowed of Euro/Asian bike buyers to HD?  Would you buy it?




http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/06/harley-deems-u-s-market-worthy-of-xr1200x/

MILWAUKEE (June 3, 2010) – The XR1200X is Harley-Davidson® Sportster performance honed to its finest edge. Introduced in 2010 for export markets only, the XR1200X will be available through Harley-Davidson dealers in the United States as a 2011 model. Equipped with fully-adjustable Showa® front and rear suspension components, the 2011 XR1200X can be dialed in to match rider weight, riding style and road conditions. The XR1200X combines this premium suspension with enhanced front brakes and the responsive punch of a high-compression, 1200cc Evolution® V-Twin engine in a dynamic, street-performance motorcycle.




UK Harley site with specs.  573lbs wet, btw.

I sort of like it...  I mean... for a Harley...

[Geoff]

Nice bike. A cafe fairing would complete the styling, giving it the look of the XLCR Cafe racer. The new XR1200X should attract younger buyers.  Whether or not metric riders and Buell fans vote with their wallets remains to be seen.

[chornbe]

Many metric riders won't... ever. The perf-per-$$$ isn't there for the Gixxer crowd.

[Rincewind]

Nightster in black is £6,990 in the UK..  this XR1200X model is £9,350 or 1.33x the Nightster.

In the US, the Nightster is $9,899..  at 1.33x, that means this model could cost around $13,165 US!  

[highside]

Depending on price I could seriously consider this bike. Twin cylinder standards are a bit rare, and just about my favorite configuration.

[chornbe]

Nightster in black is £6,990 in the UK..  this XR1200X model is £9,350 or 1.33x the Nightster.

In the US, the Nightster is $9,899..  at 1.33x, that means this model could cost around $13,165 US!  

Hopefully it'll replace the standard XR at the same price point.

But I seriously doubt it.

[marc11]

I think that bike looks pretty hot.  No idea how the performance will be, especially the suspension, but with a little cafe fairing as mentioned above makes it at the very least one damn fine looking machine.

[county]

Another half-hearted attempt by The Motor Company to move past their Heritage.

[bomber]

I do not believe that Buellers will flock to this bike.

Some will buy it, I'm sure -- there were Buell owners who came to the brand through HD, for whom the Buell was a higher-performance alternative to the bagger that also lived in their garage, but these were not the standard issue Buell riders.

Some Buellers are still furious at HD (rightly or wrongly is theirs to decide, of course).

The remainder, which, I believe, represents the vast majority of Buell owners, won't see the XR series as even a remote replacement for anything in the last Buell lineup.

It seems like a nice bike -- one of the challenges HDI will have in the US will be getting dealerships to not try and "girl bike" the XR, and trying to get the potential buyer to buy a different (higher margin) HDI product.

[Steve-H]

Depending on price I could seriously consider this bike. Twin cylinder standards are a bit rare, and just about my favorite configuration.

Really ?

[chornbe]

I agree with Bomber, mostly.

Buell's biggest feature is its handling and raw power is a secondary consideration.

This bike has the same power delivery (which I rather like), but even the Tubers will out handle this bike in the hands of a serious rider. The bike (I rode the XR, not the XR-X, granted) handled well... downright "good" and not "good for a Harley" as someone else on this site also said, but it's no Buell and it never will be.

The price simply needs to drop. At sub$-10k regular MSRP, I bet these would be all over the place.

$.02

[desert_rider]

I rode the XR1200 and really liked it and I think this would be a blast.  H-D even has a bunch of nice farkles for it, but with a 3.5 gallon gas tank... don't think so.

[scottzilla]

"Real" Harley riders view Sportsters as girls bikes and everyone else views them as "Harleys".
Remember that the next time you give HD a hard time for not expanding their line, etc.  

[marc11]

Really ?

Add to that fine list the Versys, ER6, SV, Strom and the offerings from Aprilia....

[pcrdude]

I like it.

I would pay $9K, but no more.

[Powder Addict]

Holey swingarm!  

[phoenix]

Even if it is priced the same as an XR1200, I don't think sales will be any better. I have yet to see an XR1200 on the road, and I live in cruiser valley.

just my prediction. Looks like just a different color of XR1200 or another Sportster model.
You wanna sell to sportbike demographic? Build a sportbike.

[Rincewind]

You wanna sell to sportbike demographic? Build a sportbike.

 

IMO this bike with it's potential price is likely to only appeal to the Roadster crowd.  Not the cruiser crowd, not the sportbike crowd, and not the naked hooligan crowd.  It is for the same people that would eye up a R1200R, Guzzi Griso, Rocket Roadster, or maybe the high-end Monster 1100S.  

[Frankienuckles]

I am not in the market for any new bike right now but, if I wanted somthing like this I'd get a Phil Little conversion of a souped up 1200 sportster for a lot less cash than a new xr1200. Check these kits out at  http://www.phillittleracing.com/  . These look cool as hell..

[chornbe]

I don't know about the "way less" part, if their pricing is anything like Storz.

[Rogue]

It's a blacked out XR1200.....a bike H-D can't sell.

Just like the XLCR and the XR1000 before it.  When will they learn?

Also, I've been saying it all along back when the XR1200 came out:  Why?  Why when Buell had the XB12S Lightning that was faster, lighter, had more range, and handled so much better.  But I guess H-D knows because they killed the Buells (which were ALL better than any H-D in terms of performance) so they can give you guys their idea of what a "performance bike" should be:  SLOWER!

You know, GM, Ford, and BMW gets it.  They sell us the Camaro, Mustang, and Mini...all have retro-styling, but they are damn fast and all have current performance to back up its looks.  Harley just gives us the retro-look with very little substance.  This has been their mantra since the XLCR and the XR1000.  How much different is the XR1200X from the XR1000?  The performance standard is so far ahead of most Harley's yet the Baby Boomers keep buying it and H-D continuous the same trend over and over.....even Guzzi has moved on in terms of performance and technology.  

They really need to get their heads out of the sand and see what all the other makers have out there.  Do they even ride these bikes back to back?  If they do, what do they think afterwards?  It's OK.  We just dial DOWN the performance because it's a Harley.  Go figure!

Edited to say:  I will NEVER buy a H-D.  I will buy a Ducati before I buy a H-D!  

[nferr]

I read today it's priced at $11,999 in the US. It will never sell at that price IMO. The XR1200 is sitting as leftovers at many dealers already.

[chornbe]

I read today it's priced at $11,999 in the US. It will never sell at that price IMO. The XR1200 is sitting as leftovers at many dealers already.

You're right.

I think that 99.9% of the people who would seriously consider the XR won't give one iota about the nicer suspension bits.

"oh, they's just shocks is all!"

[Dan K]

I think that XR1200 is a kick ass looking bike, and I love the upgraded suspension/brake bits.  I'd consider replacing my Tuono with this bike if it was anywhere near the same price (likely sell my '03 Tuono for $5500k or thereabouts...  I don't need the crazy perfromance of the Tuono - it can, and has, gotten me in trouble.  This Harley would be a perfect compliment to the Sprint, which I'm starting to think will have a home in my garage for a while.

Only way I'd end up with a Harley in the garage without me winning the lottery...

- Dan

[Rincewind]

I read today it's priced at $11,999 in the US. It will never sell at that price IMO. The XR1200 is sitting as leftovers at many dealers already.

Thanks.  It's $11,799 per this article and this one, too.

That's not as bad as my guesstimate, but still it's $1000 more than the 09 XR1200's..

[chornbe]

Well, Dan, let's be fair. You're comparing your 7 year old Tuono at ~$5k to a new bike. The new Tuonos go for $13k+. In 7 years, these XRs are either going to be dirt cheap, or collector-priced (ya know, like the B-KING!   ).

[chornbe]

Thanks.  It's $11,799 per this article and this one, too.

That's not as bad as my guesstimate, but still it's $1000 more than the 09 XR1200's..

This suspension kit is $1500 to order yourself through a dealer.

That's a far sight cheaper than doing it all in the aftermarket, too. Trust me... I looked heavily at that when I had my sportster.

[Dan K]

Well, Dan, let's be fair. You're comparing your 7 year old Tuono at ~$5k to a new bike. The new Tuonos go for $13k+. In 7 years, these XRs are either going to be dirt cheap, or collector-priced (ya know, like the B-KING!   ).

I never said it would happen!  

But my 7 year old Tuono's performance will rock the shit out of that XR1200X up, down and sideways, speed, acceleration and handling.  Point is, I don't need the crazy perfromance.  I just like the looks of that XR1200, and if acn perform pretty well, I'd throw it in the garage.  But as is the issue with every Harley...it has to be affordable.  $11k can get you SO MUCH MORE on the used market.  Hell, it can get you 2 Italian bikes, like a Tuono and a Breva, if you're willing to go back a few years.  

- Dan

[chornbe]

YOU'RE SAYING MY SHIT IS OLD?!?!?!?  

[Galo]

Well, Dan, let's be fair. You're comparing your 7 year old Tuono at ~$5k to a new bike.

He is being fair.....he's saying that his 7 year old Tuono has the same or more performance and enjoyment factor as a new XR1200X would. I can believe that. Hell, even at 20 years, that would be the case...  

Pains me to say this, but I actually like the looks of that Sportster. Would never have one, but it's not a bad looking bike.  

[chornbe]

He is being fair.....he's saying that his 7 year old Tuono has the same or more performance and enjoyment factor as a new XR1200X would. I can believe that. Hell, even at 20 years, that would be the case...  

The Tuono will eat the XR's lunch. I don't think that's ever been in question.  

[Dan K]

The point is, the looks of the bike, or the fact that it's a Harley (even though one with performance as somewhat of a priority), while nice and all, just doesn't justify the money and it won't sell.  If you are buying for looks and performance, you have WAY better options...

But, if you value the look, the Harley name and have lots of cash burning a hole in your pocket, it's a nice, nice bike.

- Dan

[jhawk]

Looks OK.....but, before I would consider buying one, it would have to lose 100 pounds, have a larger capacity gas tank and cost no more than $10K USD....

[Geoff]

If the XR1200X is Harley's alternative to Buell, it's a damn poor one. Technology is not the bike's strong suit. Harley will need a strong marketing campaign to sell this bike, one like its infamous Lifestyle campaign that sold thousands of big twins.  

[Giaka]

That's not as bad as my guesstimate, but still it's $1000 more than the 09 XR1200's..

And the same price as a silly 600cc Japanese SuperSport. You want to talk about overpriced things look at the fresh 600s. I like the XR and I am ok with the price. Most of us would never need a bike on the street with more capability than the XR but none of us will admit it.

[Jeff]

I for one would never buy this bike. I think it's kinda cool, and would ride one if given the opportunity, but I'd never buy it because:

1. They killed Buell when they didn't need to. The 180 jobs they killed is reason enough for me to never buy a Harley.
2. For the money, there are so many other bikes I'd rather have. Speed Triple, Monster, Hypermotard, etc... and that's not even figuring in Japanese options into the equation.

Jeff

[jhawk]

Most of us would never need a bike on the street with more capability than the XR but none of us will admit it.

there are several street bikes with more capability than the XR....for the same money as the XR, and some for even less....

[chornbe]

there are several street bikes with more capability than the XR....for the same money as the XR, and some for even less....

I think the point Mike is trying to make is that - for equal money (no one's arguing value) - there's damned little reason to choose another bike over this if you like and want this bike, because the performance envelope on the street is well and fully covered by pretty much any bike you're likely to find these days.

Personally, I think there's way too much emphasis on raw power on bikes. Convenience, reliability and comfort, and good handling and brakes are far, far more important to me than raw power. Example: I lust for a 'Busa, but in all likelihood, I'll simply never buy one. The comfort just isn't there and the bag options are... lacking. Just one example from my perspective.

[county]

Personally, I think there's way too much emphasis on raw power on bikes.

Isn't that the Moto Guzzi Mission Statement?

[Thunderbox]

As an ex Buell owner (2 new Buells to be more precise) I would not consider a HD product ever.  I didn't want one then and I'll be damned if I would buy one now.  I already have a lifestyle and it doesn't include the Initials H-D.

H-D are good bikes but the Buell people are not going to be attracted to them.  When they sold Buells we went to the H-D shops now they are gone so are we.  Just a different crowd and I would bet good money this model will not sell at HD dealers and will be canceled in dshort order.

[Giaka]

there are several street bikes with more capability than the XR....for the same money as the XR, and some for even less....

There are HUNDREDS of bikes with more capability, my point was that it doesn't really matter since the XR is more capable than most riders. Its one of those, "if you like it buy it, you cant go wrong" things. For me right now I would spend $11,900 on the XR before I would on a CBR1000, GIXXER, etc.

I agree the bike would be way more attractive if it were priced similar to Japanese nakeds, FZ1, Z1000, etc. but its not.  

I was once a HD basher (back in the AMF days), shit those bikes were piles of shit (I was lucky enough to work on them) in regards to build quality and reliability but today's HD looks to be one of the best put together bikes out there.  My issue with HD right now is not the bike but the asshats who tend to buy them.    You know kinda like those FJR and BMW guys.

[county]

 My issue with HD right now is not the bike but the asshats who tend to buy them.    You know kinda like those FJR ...guys.

 

[reppans]

I may as well put my $0.02 on this one as I'm probably the only owner of one - I got 13k on a year-old XR1200.  It's my first Harley after many years of BMWs (most recently an R1100S and R1150GS) and I gotta say I just love riding this thing.... but I hate owning it - it's a POS in terms of quality/reliability.

 

Too much performance can be a detriment to fun, IMHO.  Performance bikes (and cages) have advanced so fast and far beyond 98% of people's skill to use it, or ability to use it with all the traffic and law enforcement around.  "Nothing wrong with having more performance than you need" many have said, but I believe otherwise.  IMHO, the real fun in motorsports is not necessarily speed, it's all in the challenge (which speed can create, of course).  It's the reason you always had fun as a noob learning to ride despite the modest speeds and lean angles back then.

So, if you are interested in putting a cap on speed to preserve your license, or due to the myriad of street hazards, but want to maximize your fun by increasing challenge a bit, you should consider a performance-handicapped sorta bike like this XR1200.  It's-more-fun-riding-a-slow-bike-fast and all.  Also "downgraded" my cage with similar results in the fun department (Audi S4 > Mini Cooper S).

Now here's the really weird thing - this tank does handle quite well and is still more fun than my motard, even in the tightest of twisties.  I only ride for fun in the twisties and I've always wanted to wear the sides off a rear tire before the center, but in 35 years never have... until this XR, and on all three sets, despite riding a more modest pace... go figure .

So for me, it's met my goals of increasing fun while decreasing speed.  I only wish it were it were better in terms of quality and reliability.

[Giaka]

I only wish it were it were better in terms of quality and reliability.

Thanks, can you list some of the issues?

[Galo]

The Tuono will eat the XR's lunch. I don't think that's ever been in question.  

I guess I should have inserted the words 'tongue firmly in cheek'  or 'sarcasm intended'  in my post somewhere..........
Where I was going is simple: most all 20 year old bikes will eat a Hardley for lunch...Sportsters with Showa suspension included!
 

[highside]

Really ?

That is actually all of 5 bikes. Most of them even more expensive that the XR.

[Mastros2]

I for one would never buy this bike. I think it's kinda cool, and would ride one if given the opportunity, but I'd never buy it because:

1. They killed Buell when they didn't need to. The 180 jobs they killed is reason enough for me to never buy a Harley.
2. For the money, there are so many other bikes I'd rather have. Speed Triple, Monster, Hypermotard, etc... and that's not even figuring in Japanese options into the equation.

As an ex Buell owner (2 new Buells to be more precise) I would not consider a HD product ever.  I didn't want one then and I'll be damned if I would buy one now.  I already have a lifestyle and it doesn't include the Initials H-D.

H-D are good bikes but the Buell people are not going to be attracted to them.  When they sold Buells we went to the H-D shops now they are gone so are we.  Just a different crowd and I would bet good money this model will not sell at HD dealers and will be canceled in dshort order.

I hate holding grudges but I'm in the same boat.  No to The Motor Company.

[reppans]

Thanks, can you list some of the issues?

Scored both front disks in 5k (last BMW ran 35k without needing pads)

Used oil 1qt/1k though 5k - replaced bad valve seals

oil leak (breather tubes into throttle body)
oil leak (cracked oil return line)
oil leak (wet spot spreading on flat black paint, circled by pipe)

Exhaust leak and fork seal leak mysteriously fixed themselves, headlight blew, maybe 1 or 2 other things that can't recall anymore.  And if you need any part unique to the XR..... 1 week's wait til it's shipped by snail mail.

Pretty sure my experience has been worse than most XR owners, although my guess is Harley is still worse than most manufactures... Here's a larger sample size clicky

[Steve-H]

That is actually all of 5 bikes. Most of them even more expensive that the XR.

Sorry - there were 10; not sure where the two aprilias, moto guzzi breva, and Versys went...

Also - the out of the 5 remaining; 5 out of 5 are CHEAPER than the XR.  

[KodiakRS]

Sorry HD but for that price I would rather have a speed tripple or a monster.  They really screwed up with this bike, it's not Harley enough for the hardcore HD guys and too Harley for the rest of us.  

[nferr]

Sorry HD but for that price I would rather have a speed tripple or a monster.  They really screwed up with this bike, it's not Harley enough for the hardcore HD guys and too Harley for the rest of us.  

Yup, if one thing's been proven it's that Harley can't sell a performance bike. They're locked into their "image" niche.

[Galo]

Yup, if one thing's been proven it's that Harley can't sell a performance real bike. They're locked into their "image" niche.

There -fixed that for you......
 

[Jes_VFR]

Harley is offering their new XR1200X to the US market for 2011.  This is similar to the XR1200 with some uprated suspension and performance forks.  
Will this new X model attract ostracized Buellers?
No, I don't think it will

Or are they still too pissed to even consider it?
Most Buell owners I know are just getting over their colonoscopy to check for tearing after HD got through with their assassination of the brand. And the very few that have forgiven HD for being a bunch of HUA morons, won't buy into it either

If the Buell-sympathizers are reluctant to buy, then who will buy it?
I haven't a clue, no standard rider that I know would want it. 
Sportster riders wanting more Sport?
HUH, the sportster is supposed to be a sporty bike????

Or is this gonna bring a new crowed of Euro/Asian bike buyers to HD?
Yeah, like I be ready to race right out and trade in my monster 620 for it. NOT!!!. I mean get real its not going to have the power to keep up with a normal sized monster and it certainly won't win over the big monster/griso/etc.. people.  
Would you buy it?
Now, no way in hell. About 5 years ago I might have it if it had a 5k sticker on it at the time. I had a real jones for a street/tracker bike, but not now

MILWAUKEE (June 3, 2010) – The XR1200X is Harley-Davidson® Sportster performance honed to its finest edge. Introduced in 2010 for export markets only, the XR1200X will be available through Harley-Davidson dealers in the United States as a 2011 model. Equipped with fully-adjustable Showa® front and rear suspension components, the 2011 XR1200X can be dialed in to match rider weight, riding style and road conditions. The XR1200X combines this premium suspension with enhanced front brakes and the responsive punch of a high-compression, 1200cc Evolution® V-Twin engine in a dynamic, street-performance motorcycle.

What does Harley think they are doing with this bike???
Is this the best they can do for a sport naked?
Or is this what those idiots in Milwaukee think is - a sportbike?
I mean I really don't get it. The only people I see buying that bike are the ones that would be off buying Stortz/Phil Little/Mert Lawwill/etc streetracker conversion.
I don't see anyone else stepping up to buy this.
It's not even close to the same kind of bike that the buells were.
So it just leaves me scratching my head

[Jes_VFR]

I think the point Mike is trying to make is that - for equal money (no one's arguing value) - there's damned little reason to choose another bike over this if you like and want this bike, because the performance envelope on the street is well and fully covered by pretty much any bike you're likely to find these days.

Personally, I think there's way too much emphasis on raw power on bikes. Convenience, reliability and comfort, and good handling and brakes are far, far more important to me than raw power. Example: I lust for a 'Busa, but in all likelihood, I'll simply never buy one. The comfort just isn't there and the bag options are... lacking. Just one example from my perspective.

Okay, but lets walk that line a bit. I like the looks of the bike (I've always loved the look of the tracker's), But that tractor based 1200 twin is not going to give you or me useful range on its 3.5 gallon tank. So for that big price, what am I getting. A big twin in a sort of tracker minimalist frame with barely around the neighbor hood range and WHAT??????
Oh right the big HD badges.

I'd rather find a left over naked sv650 and drop it off at Ransom motorcycle for a custom tracker look. It would be more of a bike all the way around (twice around) and probably cost about the same.

If HD was bombed off the face of the earth tomorrow, I don't think I shed a tear.

[chornbe]

I guess I should have inserted the words 'tongue firmly in cheek'  or 'sarcasm intended'  in my post somewhere..........
Where I was going is simple: most all 20 year old bikes will eat a Hardley for lunch...Sportsters with Showa suspension included!
 

Thank God for you, Peter Parker.

[ScottB]

Yeah... if I want a fun standard to tool around I think I'll have a look at a Shiver or a Street Triple.  Must I point out that each is far less expensive and likely runs circles around this thing?  And if I feel like spending equivalent money, a Speed Triple will just completely and utterly destroy this thing.  I'm not sure I see the point.  

[falconati]

Pretty bike.

They'll sell a few of them, but not too many.  Also, those who were looking for a Buell are not looking for this bike.

[garry]

Kinda cool and wouldn't mind throwing a leg over one, but for that kind of money I'd be more interested in a Guzzi 1200 Sport.

[xbud]

 They'll be giving these bikes away by February of next year. I do like the look of the white XR1200X

[TRRcheck]

My XR1200 sport-tourer:



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Took her out to Moab from WI and tooled around CO/WY a bit.. 4000 miles in ~6 days..

[Rincewind]

My XR1200 sport-tourer:


Took her out to Moab from WI and tooled around CO/WY a bit.. 4000 miles in ~6 days..

Nice bike!  How many miles do you get per tank?

[TRRcheck]

Nice bike!  How many miles do you get per tank?

I averaged 48-52 mpg on that trip. I usually fill up around 120 miles (at the most) just to be safe. But in that area, I filled up wherever there was a gas station. I also have 2 MSR red fuel bottles that i take in the more remote areas. I put 10,000 miles on in 5 months or so.. You gotta change or modify the seat a bit tho.. I wanna try those airhawk seats, they felt nice..

[bomber]

Airhawks are wonderful!

HD engines all seem to get great milage -- one of their positive attributes (along with all that yummy torque!) . . .

Just retuned from the Moab area, and if you had half as much fun as we did, the grin still hasn't left your face!

[Espada]

Scored both front disks in 5k (last BMW ran 35k without needing pads)

Used oil 1qt/1k though 5k - replaced bad valve seals

oil leak (breather tubes into throttle body)
oil leak (cracked oil return line)
oil leak (wet spot spreading on flat black paint, circled by pipe)

Exhaust leak and fork seal leak mysteriously fixed themselves, headlight blew, maybe 1 or 2 other things that can't recall anymore.  And if you need any part unique to the XR..... 1 week's wait til it's shipped by snail mail.

Pretty sure my experience has been worse than most XR owners, although my guess is Harley is still worse than most manufactures... Here's a larger sample size clicky

I ran into the same issues when I had my Buell.  I will mirror your statement about enjoying the ride, but hating the ownership experience.  It was one of the things that kept me from picking up an 1125CR when they were going for dirty dirt cheap 6 months ago.  I recalled my experiences with my XB9S and how much it drove me up the fucking wall!  I once waited three days shy of a month for a clutch cable.  That is something I won't soon forget, and H-D can pound sand as far as I am concerned.

[TRRcheck]

Airhawks are wonderful!

HD engines all seem to get great milage -- one of their positive attributes (along with all that yummy torque!) . . .

Just retuned from the Moab area, and if you had half as much fun as we did, the grin still hasn't left your face!

Moab was awesome... The XR1200 isnt too bad in the dirt and mud, LOL!

I would love to move to that area, but I don't like how there is soo many darn people there,.

[1KPerDay]

My XR1200 sport-tourer:



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Took her out to Moab from WI and tooled around CO/WY a bit.. 4000 miles in ~6 days..

Awesome. Post more pics. Love the sheepskin.

[TRRcheck]

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but there is plenty of space in the luggage and on the bike!! And I camped most of the time..




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[chilipeppernorm]

The bike looks good, and I too love trackers. Regarding the "upgraded Showa suspension and brakes". Harley PLEASE! HD has never known sh*t about handling and stopping. Granted they've improved the quality of the brakes on the big twins immensely, but it's all relative. If you offer a 600lb plus motorcycle with a single front brake from the factory (how many models of HD are configured this way?) you don't give 2 turds in a punchbowl about stopping. Upgraded Showa suspension, upgraded from what? Every bike mag review of recent models of Sportsters list less than 2 inches of travel on the rear shocks, so they toss on the baseline Showa suspenders running as entry level on all other bikes forever and that's special??? Ohlins and Brembo's are special. And a 3.5 gal gas tank just dosen't give you the legs for decent trip unless you like to stop every hour and a half.

I've always said ride what makes you happy. If you have a Sportster and it makes you happy then God bless, ride safe and have fun. You'll hear no criticism from me about your choice. But what I believe makes many of us so crazy about HD is they just can't abandon image for substance. Rework the engine, wrap it in an excellent frame, put some real brakes, forks, and shocks on it and take it to the track and have it compete against other twins in some club races, Battle of the Twins, etc. Have it get in the top 8 once in a blue moon or maybe put your rider on the box even if it's 3rd. Then folks may consider it a viable alternative to the existing twin market. As it is it's just an embarrassment parked next to it's competition. Buell was right on the edge of getting it right and moving into potential for greatness when HD blew them up. And now they offer this????

[boogeyman]

Needs more headlight.  Otherwise I like it.  I could never buy it though.  Needs a bigger gas tank.  I would get this, then the wife would get a bike with a bigger tank, and it would be me needing to stop every 100 miles.  I'm not going there, with as much crap as I've given her over that!

Moab was awesome... The XR1200 isnt too bad in the dirt and mud, LOL!

Of course it doesn't do too bad in the dirt, it's part tractor!

[TRRcheck]

The bike looks good, and I too love trackers. Regarding the "upgraded Showa suspension and brakes". Harley PLEASE! HD has never known sh*t about handling and stopping. Granted they've improved the quality of the brakes on the big twins immensely, but it's all relative. If you offer a 600lb plus motorcycle with a single front brake from the factory (how many models of HD are configured this way?) you don't give 2 turds in a punchbowl about stopping. Upgraded Showa suspension, upgraded from what? Every bike mag review of recent models of Sportsters list less than 2 inches of travel on the rear shocks, so they toss on the baseline Showa suspenders running as entry level on all other bikes forever and that's special??? Ohlins and Brembo's are special. And a 3.5 gal gas tank just dosen't give you the legs for decent trip unless you like to stop every hour and a half.

I've always said ride what makes you happy. If you have a Sportster and it makes you happy then God bless, ride safe and have fun. You'll hear no criticism from me about your choice. But what I believe makes many of us so crazy about HD is they just can't abandon image for substance. Rework the engine, wrap it in an excellent frame, put some real brakes, forks, and shocks on it and take it to the track and have it compete against other twins in some club races, Battle of the Twins, etc. Have it get in the top 8 once in a blue moon or maybe put your rider on the box even if it's 3rd. Then folks may consider it a viable alternative to the existing twin market. As it is it's just an embarrassment parked next to it's competition. Buell was right on the edge of getting it right and moving into potential for greatness when HD blew them up. And now they offer this????

I'll definitely agree that HD has it's shortcomings. And I'll say i've never been a HD fan (and still aint). Hell the little things on this bike annoy the shit outta me, but some reason I still love it.. I was always more of a Triumph guy and was going that route, then this came along (fairly cheap too).. I'll def be looking at Triumph again when they come out with that Tiger Cub tho..

[bomber]

Moab was awesome... The XR1200 isnt too bad in the dirt and mud, LOL!

I would love to move to that area, but I don't like how there is soo many darn people there,.

True enough, but the good news is that 200 fett beyond the city limits, you're in the Thulies!

'sides, ya knever know when you might want to buy some gas ;-}

[1KPerDay]

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but there is plenty of space in the luggage and on the bike!! And I camped most of the time..




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[Prubert]

Here is my XR during a 1800 mile road trip.

About 110 miles per tankful, but that really doesn't bother me...I'm not doing any IBAs or anything.

It was good fun!!

[reppans]

I ran into the same issues when I had my Buell.  I will mirror your statement about enjoying the ride, but hating the ownership experience.  It was one of the things that kept me from picking up an 1125CR when they were going for dirty dirt cheap 6 months ago.  I recalled my experiences with my XB9S and how much it drove me up the fucking wall!  I once waited three days shy of a month for a clutch cable.  That is something I won't soon forget, and H-D can pound sand as far as I am concerned.

You know, I'm starting to come around.... during the first five months and 5k the bike was back and forth to the shop at least 5 times and spent over a month there.  However, the last ten months and 10k, the bike has been trouble free.  In fact a couple of oil and exhaust leaks actually fixed themselves  .  And the lack of maintenance is simply bliss (ie, valves/final drive).  On the other hand, I had to buy a tire changer, the torque of this thing just destroys tires (on the sides no less ) - I'm on my 5th rear, 4th front, all premium ST tires, except the OEM.

Another black XR on an ST trip CT > NC, 2.8k, BRP down, WV back.



Back home... in need of a bath

[1KPerDay]

cool.

[Kraz]

The bike looks good, and I too love trackers. Regarding the "upgraded Showa suspension and brakes".
SNIP
And a 3.5 gal gas tank just dosen't give you the legs for decent trip unless you like to stop every hour and a half.

I'm not a HUGE fan of the looks, but like it more or less... certainly not enough to buy one new, especially with all the complaints about reliability.  The single tiny round headlight does look stupid to me, and the rear is just a bit unfinished.

Anyway, not sure what Showa's they're using, but my ST4s has coated USD Showa's that are outstanding, adjustable and durable - they match the factory rear Ohlins quite well... I wouldn't sell Showa short based on brand name - of course, I'm sure they have a cheaper line of stuff that would kill the handling.  Also, my FZ1 had excellent brakes, and did not have Brembo's.  Lots of good brakes out there for less money, I've been impressed with lots of brakes, but hardly ever a Brembo, and I think I've owned 4 bikes with Brembo's.

And lastly, in my eyes, it's completely idiotic that anyone would produce a non-SS bike that has a capacity of less than 4.5 gallons.

[Jmac_bandit]

Funny that when Buell got axed and threads started in General about it they were all moved immediately to the Buell section but this clearly model specific thread about harley is allowed to linger/clutter up this section...who's runnin this site anyway??

[Robus]

I'm done with HD, for now anyway.  My XL1200R has been sitting in the garage since I moved up to a BMW.  About once in two weeks I'll take it out for a ride out of a sense of duty.  I used to love riding it.  Now it's a chore.  The problem with the Sportsters is that they are neither one thing nor the other.  They are not and never will be a performance bike.  They are more about relaxed cruising on city streets with a handful of torque when you want it.  But the cruising thing is undercut by unsafe brakes, poor suspension, vibration, a too-small gas tank, and excessive weight.  It looks and feels like a 50 year old design.

HD's strength and weakness is its rider base.  It's marketed to people who want image and tradition above all.  The MOCO's lifeblood are people so tradition-bound that they refuse any improvement.  Like somebody said, the Harley people won't buy this new XR because it is not "Harley" enough.  Others won't buy it because it is "too Harley."

[drew95gt]

I must be in the minority because this bike is one HD I would love to own.  It's weird but it seems that the majority of bikes that I really like are ones that not very many other people like or they don't sell well here in the US.

[Kraz]

It looks and feels like a 50 year old design.

Funny, I was out on the 883 yesterday and was thinking how it felt kinda like riding my '72 Ambassador (now gone), only with more power... which is a good thing for some.  I got my 883 mostly b/c it was cheap, simple, reliable, and very fuel efficient.  Not sure  how much of that would apply to a new xr12x.

Anyway, regarding the Harley thing, sometimes you don't want to see a high tech missile strike on TV, sometimes you want to watch a primitive cage fight.

[reppans]

I'm done with HD, for now anyway.  My XL1200R has been sitting in the garage since I moved up to a BMW...

... Like somebody said, the Harley people won't buy this new XR because it is not "Harley" enough.  Others won't buy it because it is "too Harley."

Guess it takes all types.  I just moved from BMW for this Harley, and am having a real blast with it.  But I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority - actually seeking to slow down.  Simple throttle control doesn't work well for me, I find half the fun of riding is pushing a bike near it's limits - more fun riding a slow bike fast and all.  And this bike does have pretty low limits .

But I'll agree that the XR is/will be a dud in the market, stuck in a no man's land between the traditional HD crowd and the performance folks that wouldn't touch it with a 10 ft. pole.  I'm seeing '09s deeply discounted, people getting them for $7,500.  So much for HD's high resale  .

[cyclopathic]

Harley is offering their new XR1200X to the US market for 2011.  This is similar to the XR1200 with some uprated suspension and performance forks.  

Will this new X model attract ostracized Buellers?  Or are they still too pissed to even consider it?  If the Buell-sympathizers are reluctant to buy, then who will buy it?

As "almost" Uly owner can say this HD can go to hell I will never buy anything from them, period

[Robus]

Guess it takes all types.  I just moved from BMW for this Harley, and am having a real blast with it.  But I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority - actually seeking to slow down.  Simple throttle control doesn't work well for me, I find half the fun of riding is pushing a bike near it's limits - more fun riding a slow bike fast and all.  And this bike does have pretty low limits .

In no way am I bashing your ride.  That XRX does look like fun, and a big step up from your run-of-the-mill Sporty.

You've been over to xlforum.net I'm sure.  It's all about the pipes!  (I'm overgeneralizing obviously; I like that crowd.)  Neither one of us is probably typical of the average sporty enthusiast.

[reppans]

In no way am I bashing your ride.  That XRX does look like fun, and a big step up from your run-of-the-mill Sporty.

You've been over to xlforum.net I'm sure.  It's all about the pipes!  (I'm overgeneralizing obviously; I like that crowd.)  Neither one of us is probably typical of the average sporty enthusiast.

Never thought you were bashing in any way - I just found it funny that I got bored of the BMW boxers in favor of an HD, and you, vice versa  .   I don't hang at the Harley forums (except the XR site), my Aerostich and FF helmet don't fit in.... although I have been know to wear pirate outfits and press-on tattoos to get into a Harley bike night or two  .

[Dan K]

It's the first Harley I'd own, but that's not saying much as the list has way too many entries to ever expect to pick one up.

- Dan

[Thunderbox]

In 2 years the only models left will be used ones because they will give up pretty quick if sales are not there.

As a former Buell rider it isn't going to happen and I bought a new Moto Guzzi and guess what.  I like it a lot.  I have owned 2 new HD and 2 new Buells but I won't own another HD product.

[Zixxerpilot]

I really wanted to like this bike. I'm in the market for something like it and even went as far as to demo the original XR1200. Then I made the mistake of riding a Griso 8v. Same price (hd was 200 more), but th Guzzi just destroyed that thing in terms of everything. There are just so many better machines out there for that price, unless you're set on the Harley name.

[atadaskew]

I really wanted to like this bike. I'm in the market for something like it and even went as far as to demo the original XR1200. Then I made the mistake of riding a Griso 8v. Same price (hd was 200 more), but th Guzzi just destroyed that thing in terms of everything. There are just so many better machines out there for that price, unless you're set on the Harley name.

Same price?
The Griso 8V is $14300
The XRX is $11800

Are you saying you can buy a new 2010 Griso 8V for $11600?  What dealership?

I've demoed both bikes, and I'm undecided as to which I like more. (The HD was the XR1200R, not the better X model).  So I would disagree with that 'destroyed' statement.

[Zixxerpilot]

It would have been $12k plus ax and such, HD was $12,200.

Personal opinion, but the Griso was faster, more nimble, more comfortable, and just felt nicer.

[atadaskew]

It would have been $12k plus ax and such, HD was $12,200.
 

Did the Harley have the anti theft thing? I think that's something like a $400 option.  What pi$$es me off about that (and it was on my 'old' Dyna) is that it required a separate battery powered fob.  On my Duc and Vespa GTS, it is part of the key and comes standard...

Anyway, your price is still $2500 less than any I found in CA.  This is for a new, 2010 8V Griso?  What's the name of the dealership?

[Zixxerpilot]

Sharer Cycle. They sell Triumph, Aprilia, and Guzzi.

Keep in mind I live in rural Wisconsin (also where the dealer is). H-D is god here, so the dealers usual hike up prices, while others drop them, especially on Triumph. Sharer also has almost 0 overhead. They are a very old dealer. So, their prices show.

[atadaskew]

Cool, thanks.

Gives me an idea about how flexible pricing can be.

[falconati]

I was actually about to say a similar (lower) price for Sharer.

They have a few in stock - want me to ask about pricing?  They're a really good shop - Peter Egan buys all his Triumphs from them, and they've done great, honest work on my Speedy.

[atadaskew]

Not yet, thanks.
I'm just musing to myself while I'm waiting for things to settle.

[bomber]

Sharer also has a great shop dog -- getting out of the parking lot in under 30 minutes (he really want to play fetch the frisbee) is a feat!

[Zixxerpilot]

Lyle Sharer is quite the interesting guy. He's been into cycles for so long, and has forgotten probably far more than I'll ever know.

Come to think of it, I don't know anyone at Sharer that isn't stellar. I can't walk on the property if I have a time limit because I guarantee I'll be late to whatever it is.

[atadaskew]

Wish there was a dealer like that in LA.  Doesn't matter what brand of bike..

[chornbe]

Quality dealers are very few, very far between, and a dying breed.  

[bomber]

Quality dealers are very few, very far between, and a dying breed.  

Strooth -- I've often (not always, but often) noticed the the wonderfulness of the dealer is inversely proportional to the munificence of the physical plant.

Strange, innit?

[atadaskew]

Strooth -- I've often (not always, but often) noticed the the wonderfulness of the dealer is inversely proportional to the munificence of the physical plant.

Strange, innit?

Mostly..
I bought my Harley from Lancaster HD in CA which is one of those huge places.  Built before the bust...
They were really nice to deal with, gave me a great deal, threw in some freebies.  And then delivered the bike for free.  A 200 mile round trip for the driver.

The reason I bought my bike from them was because they were the only ones who had the bike that I wanted, in the colour I wanted, with the options I wanted.  The reception was a surprise.

Actually, Glendale HD in CA are really nice too. I woulda bought it from them if they had it...

But every giant multi brand superstore I've visited has blown.

[chornbe]

Mostly..
I bought my Harley from Lancaster HD in CA which is one of those huge places.  Built before the bust...
They were really nice to deal with, gave me a great deal, threw in some freebies.  And then delivered the bike for free.  A 200 mile round trip for the driver.

The reason I bought my bike from them was because they were the only ones who had the bike that I wanted, in the colour I wanted, with the options I wanted.  The reception was a surprise.

Actually, Glendale HD in CA are really nice too. I woulda bought it from them if they had it...

But every giant multi brand superstore I've visited has blown.

Lies. Harley is dying on the vine. Haven't you heard?

[Zixxerpilot]

That is very much something I will give HD dealers, they know how to make a customer feel welcome. Very few have been cold shoulder, which surprised me sine I almost always rode in on a japanese SS bike, to look at Buells.

I can name all the big four dealers I have been to that havent totally pissed me off within seconds. Team in Depere, WI is my goto for Zuk, with Country Sports in Wisconsin Rapids following second. Other than that it was Steiger in Lacrosse Wi and the Honda dealer in Fayetteville, NC. I think ot was called Meritime or something close.