6th-gen VFR lust won't go away

[aks801]

No bike currently, sold my bike ('79 KZ 1000) about 4 years ago.  Have followed the VFRs for years, rode a new '96 way back when.  So I feel I somewhat know the bike from a distance, and really like it.

On the other hand.... I have alternated over the last year or so on newer models as objects of desire.  That new Triumph Sprint GT looks very interesting.  The Kawasaki C14 looks just fantastic.  Have even toyed with the idea of going BMW: either the R12RT or R12R.  The new VFR 1200 looks nice, but dang it is expensive.

Whatever bike I get, I'll commute some on it.  Most rides will be local fun stuff.  Live on west side of Houston, so the hill country beckons and I'll want to go investigate that on occasion (even though that will involve some medium distance days).

Took another look at the '07 through '09 bikes that are still available out there, brand new, and the pricing sure makes it an extremely attractive proposition.  Can get a new one with factory side cases for $9k, so the difference between that and any of those mentioned '10 models is significant, certainly enough for some farkles, extra set of tires, and some nice gear.

Anyone else out there riding a low mileage VFR 800?  Would like to hear from folks who have gone this route recently.  It just seems like such a well-sorted bike to this day and would probably serve me well for some years to come.

[Bryan217]

Yup, some good deals to be found on leftovers. I got mine last October for $7k w/ABS. Had to add the bags later for another $1k, but still a good deal. I think it's a great all around bike, for commuting, sporty riding, even some touring. But of course, I'm biased.  

[knolltop314]

Definitely will be watching this thread as I have same lust .... though touring will be big deal for me.

[Mastros2]

I recently picked up my 2003 VFRA and it's probably the best bike for me.  Sport enough seating position that you aren't fighting it in the twisties and upright enough for the 300-400 mile days.  What a great bike!  

FYI, I picked up mine for $3800.  Low miles, great shape with abs.  There are a ton of deals out there now and like Bryan said, 2007 and 2008 leftovers are still sitting in the dealerships.  

[veefer800canuck]

You need to find out if the camchains and VTEC are an issue to you or not.

Quite a few VTEC owners have had problems with the cam chain tensioners failing.


And for me, I don't like the VTEC kick, but it may be fine for you.

2006+ models have revised VTEC timing. 6400 RPM Vs 7000 RPM.

Troll VFRd for 411

[aks801]

Thanks, all.

Hey Canuck, I'm hip to vfrd so I pick up a ton of info there.  Had not noticed a real trend with the tensioners but will read up more on it.  The VTEC is obviously a a contentious issue with this bike and the subject of endless discussion.  I don't anticipate it being an issue for me, but suppose that until I am leaned over and it kicks in I just won't know for sure.  I had really wanted a 5th-gen bike for some time to sidestep the VTEC plus get those gear-driven cams, but those bikes (while still amazing) are starting to get a little long in the tooth.

[veefer800canuck]

If you look, and are lucky, you might find a gem.

I've seen 4 or 5 super low miles, always stored indoors 2001's that have been picked up for a relative song recently.

Always makes me jealous to see.

2001, 3500 miles, all stock, not a scatch, 53 Y.O. owner, had since new, finally decided to sell, etc, etc.  

[Rogue]

I got a 2007 in 2008.

If you get a late model VFR, something after 2006, all of it's factory recalls that occured in the early years have been done so you won't have any issues.  Don't listen to the Rectifier-Honda-Hater people that will soon chime in with their opinions because they want you to buy a Ducati instead.      

If you have the lust, and you want a bike that you just ride and ride and rarely ever take to the dealership (or never) for any kind of service except oil/filter changes, get a late model VFR800.  In its class, it is ultra-refined, very high quality, one of the most reliable bikes around, and the last of the sportbike/sport-tourer types.  It's more like the Sprint ST rather than the Sprint GT.  I think you get the point.

There is only one thing I wish to change to my 6th Generation and that's the fueling.  Honda made it ultra-lean running especially at small throttle openings to pass emissions.  I plan to put a Dynojet controller in to overcome that silly factory tuning to satisfy the EPA.  I think everything else about the bike is perfect for its given mission.  It's a bike that grows on you as you keep riding it and you wish other bikes had the stuff it had.  The best do-it-all bike in my opinion.  The closest thing that compares to it is the Triumph Sprint ST.

[veefer800canuck]

Re: Fuelling.

A Turbo City Fuel pressure regulator will take care of the lean running, but of course, you don't get to spend hours and hours poring over fuel tables and adjusting individual cells until your eyes are crossed.  

http://www.turbocity.com/default.php?cPath=64&osCsid=1db2865fd3bb8842f57af4613441367b

[XLR8]

I got this 2002 a while back with barely any miles on it. I don't really notice VTEC and never understand what the drama is about.

[SVTNate]

XLR8,

Pretty.  Got any more pics?

Would you mind sharing what you paid?  

[swimmer]

I got this 2002 a while back with barely any miles on it. I don't really notice VTEC and never understand what the drama is about.

I love me some red 6th gen.

[swimmer]

[Mastros2]

I think my love didn't start until I owned the bike.  Never lusted over it but saw a "jack of all trades" type of bike that I thought would fit me to the "t" and I thought it looked good.

After owning it for a month, I absolutely love this bike.  The looks grew on me and now I think they are top notch; under seat exhaust, sssa, headlight (yeah I do like that front end) and the plastics are not gaudy one bit.  I have the ambient temp gauge on the dash all the time and this is my first bike with an actual fuel gauge and abs.  I really wondered what the big deal was with center stands until I threw the bike on it for the first time.  “Hmm, that works!”

Yeah, the vtec is nice and I do like that “powerband” type of feel but I really enjoy the v4 grunt.  I don’t think I ever liked the i-4’s and for the past 7 years had twins.  The v4 is really the best of both worlds. Also, I didn’t want a big engine.  The 780cc power plant is perfect and surprisingly strong.   It’s not literbike strong but enough to get noticed.

Yeah, I say go for it.  Your lust will take over!

[XLR8]

XLR8,

Pretty.  Got any more pics?

Would you mind sharing what you paid?  

It was $5000 and $500 for shipping.

[Rogue]

Re: Fuelling.

A Turbo City Fuel pressure regulator will take care of the lean running, but of course, you don't get to spend hours and hours poring over fuel tables and adjusting individual cells until your eyes are crossed.  

http://www.turbocity.com/default.php?cPath=64&osCsid=1db2865fd3bb8842f57af4613441367b

I have no experience with this regulator but I have used something similar on my car.  

A fuel pressure regulator acts to increase the pressure by increasing fuel flow across the board.  This works on an engine that has been enlarged from its original size and/or fitted with a turbocharger because it acts like the engine is bigger.  However, it is not necessary on a normally aspirated, computer controlled, fuel injected engine like the VFR because you can simply change the fuel map and achieve the same thing with greater precision.  In this case, the VFR800 fuel map at small throttle openings is extremely lean.  At WOT, it works just fine.  Plus, with a fuel map, you can fine tune it to increase flow at certain RPM's and throttle openings and/or if you add a freer flowing exhaust and intake, as opposed to trying to figure out what pressure to run depending on mods.  In other words, the computer calibrations are more precise.  Finally, the fuel maps are just a download away so there is no fiddling and pouring over different fueling maps.

FPR's used to be the big thing back in the day when ECU's were very difficult to tune and required a degree in computer software code.  It is still necessary on blown engines today because those needs lots and lots of fuel.  However, it is like using a sledgehammer when a fly swatter will do. For NA engines that is running lean at certain RPM's, all they need is some fine tuning.  

Carry on with the VFR800 love.  

[Bryan217]

I agree that it's arguably one of the best all around bikes. It's great for commuting, for tearing up the twisties, and even for some 2-up touring (as long as the pillion isn't too large). I love mine, and plan on keeping it for a long time. To me, the motor is just right. It's so much better than my previous bike (600cc I4) and way more than I'll ever need. The only time I'd have to 'upgrade' is if my fiance decides she wants to do some serious touring. But for now, it's just right.

And seeing as we're sharing, here's a pic of mine.

[Mastros2]

Bryan, is that a Sergeant seat? How do you and your fiance like it over the stocker?  That may be an option for my wife (the backrest).

The tri color is a beautiful bike!

[veefer800canuck]

Bryan, is that a Sergeant seat? How do you and your fiance like it over the stocker?  That may be an option for my wife (the backrest).

The tri color is a beautiful bike!

Looks like a Corbin Gunfighter (and lady) seat to me.

[spaceman]

I'm in this exact situation right now. Looking for a 2007-2008 with ABS. Having a hard time finding one local. Anyone here have any input on buying from a distant dealer and having it shipped?

[veefer800canuck]

I'm in this exact situation right now. Looking for a 2007-2008 with ABS. Having a hard time finding one local. Anyone here have any input on buying from a distant dealer and having it shipped?

Fly and buy?

Might make for a nice trip home on 2-lane backroads, break in the new bike?

There are a bunch on Ebay from legit Honda dealers right now, have a look:

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A3483&_nkw=vfr800&_sticky=1&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_sop=3&_sc=1

(listed by price, high to low)

[Mastros2]

Try www.craiglook.com.  It searches craig's list based on your zip.  I found a bunch in Mass including this one.
http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/1828430329.html

[Bryan217]

Looks like a Corbin Gunfighter (and lady) seat to me.

Yup, it's the Corbin. Sergeant doesn't make a backrest. She loves the backrest on the Corbin. But if it wasn't for that, I'd sell it. It's a ton heavier than the stocker. It's the carbon fiber look finish, which Corbin says is grippier. I find the opposite is true, at least with textile. It's slippery as hell. And the front of the seat is wider, which might make it difficult for those who are vertically challenged.

Mastros, you can probably still find some leftover Anniversary Models. Though a quick look at spaceman's Ebay link, the prices seem a little high yet. I got mine almost a year ago for $7k.

[aks801]

Mastros, you can probably still find some leftover Anniversary Models. Though a quick look at spaceman's Ebay link, the prices seem a little high yet. I got mine almost a year ago for $7k.

The RWB does seem to command a premium, but it is definitely my favorite.  When it comes to Buy time, I'll see what kind of deals are also out there on the '08 and '09 models.

[spaceman]

Mastros, you can probably still find some leftover Anniversary Models. Though a quick look at spaceman's Ebay link, the prices seem a little high yet. I got mine almost a year ago for $7k.

Is this with ABS? I'm finding that ABS models are a little harder to locate around here.

[vfrrwb]

Picked mine up in March, brand new left over at dealer, have about 2300 miles on it now. Awesome bike, fits me well. Solid all around performer and I love the way it looks.

[Mastros2]

My local dealer had a few 07 leftovers but none abs.  You are right about the difficulty of finding an abs in those years.  My 2003 has it but I wasn't really looking for that, just stumbled upon it.  

[Bryan217]

Is this with ABS? I'm finding that ABS models are a little harder to locate around here.

Yup, ABS. I guess my timing was good, for once in my life.  

[spaceman]

Yup, ABS. I guess my timing was good, for once in my life.  

[Mastros2]

Yup, it's the Corbin. Sergeant doesn't make a backrest. She loves the backrest on the Corbin. But if it wasn't for that, I'd sell it. It's a ton heavier than the stocker. It's the carbon fiber look finish, which Corbin says is grippier. I find the opposite is true, at least with textile. It's slippery as hell. And the front of the seat is wider, which might make it difficult for those who are vertically challenged.

Not a Corbin fan.  My Buell has one and it's like sitting on a brick.  Even after 10k miles, it's still hard.  The stock Buell seat was so soft, the Corbin was a joy at first and I like the wide seat but too damn hard!

[keepergale]

I bought a 02 in 02 used with 800 miles on it. I have had the bug for a new bike for a couple years but I have yet to find the right replacement. This is truly the best all around bike I know of.

[XLR8]

I bought a 02 in 02 used with 800 miles on it. I have had the bug for a new bike for a couple years but I have yet to find the right replacement. This is truly the best all around bike I know of.

Great endorsement.  

[Chappy8]

Anyone else out there riding a low mileage VFR 800?  Would like to hear from folks who have gone this route recently.  It just seems like such a well-sorted bike to this day and would probably serve me well for some years to come.

So what is low mileage?  I bought mine in late Oct 2008 with about 15K miles (04 asphalt).  Flew from Chicago to NH to pick it up.  Full of farkles upon purchase; heli's, heated grips, sargeant seat, powerlet, cf staintunes, pwr cmdr, etc etc.  Everthing but ABS I was looking for and timing was right.  

I rode home through rain, freezing rain, snow, general cold and 70 degree weather.  All along, I thought while the weather sucks, this bike is truly amazing.  Huge upgrade over the SV650S I had prior and I loved that bike.  The only addition I've done to my bike since I've ownded it is lowered footpegs, and the other wearables.  This was due to trying some out while in CO last summer for the VFRD meet and for my length, this was just what I needed.  Now I wouldn't trade this bike, well not yet anyway.  

Today at 25K miles over 10mths of decent riding I still can't believe this bike.  Well engineered, looks to match, and decent ST range.  Throw on the hard bags and disappear for a weekend, or 2 weeks...you won't regret it.

[spaceman]

 Everthing but ABS I was looking for and timing was right.  

Just curious if there are any regrets regarding the non-ABS? I'm looking for ABS, but there are a few sweet deals on non-ABS near me and I'm debating on whether or not to pull the trigger now or wait.

[SVTNate]

I just emailed two local dealers who claim to have new silver/grey '08 models in stock.  I like that color, and you don't see many for some reason.

Oh, and You Tube is not helping me be responsible.  Leo Vince carbon fiber cans look great, and with the baffles out.... oh boy.  That sound makes my pants tight!

edit - XLR8, if I put a VFR in the garage, I'm sending you the bill.  I accept cash and certified check, thank you!  It was your pics, followed by an hour or so listening to aftermarket cans on You Tube that got the ball rolling.  

[SVTNate]

I have a question for you VFR800 owners... is it easy to remove the passenger pegs?  Does it look okay without them?

[XLR8]

I just emailed two local dealers who claim to have new silver/grey '08 models in stock.  I like that color, and you don't see many for some reason.

Oh, and You Tube is not helping me be responsible.  Leo Vince carbon fiber cans look great, and with the baffles out.... oh boy.  That sound makes my pants tight!

edit - XLR8, if I put a VFR in the garage, I'm sending you the bill.  I accept cash and certified check, thank you!  It was your pics, followed by an hour or so listening to aftermarket cans on You Tube that got the ball rolling.  

 

Let me know how I can help.

[keepergale]

I have a question for you VFR800 owners... is it easy to remove the passenger pegs?  Does it look okay without them?

They are super easy to remove. Two big Allen head bolts on each side. If you get a abs model the remote rear shock adjustment is mounted to the right side passenger peg mount. It can be curled up under the seat.  I think they look nice with the passenger pegs removed. They can be remounted in about a minute a side.

[Chappy8]

Just curious if there are any regrets regarding the non-ABS? I'm looking for ABS, but there are a few sweet deals on non-ABS near me and I'm debating on whether or not to pull the trigger now or wait.

No regrets to date...hopefully won't have any.  I've never had a bike with ABS, so I can't say I'm missing it.  It's a linked braking system, so it's a bit better (subject to argument) in that respect.  It's really a matter of choice.  For me, it wasn't a deal breaker but a nice to have.  Instead I put better pads in, flush the system regularly, practice quick stops often and ride my own ride; figured might as well improve stopping in other ways.  

Use the non ABS as a bargaining chip if you can, and when you find the right deal (and the current brakes ABS or not work), go for it.  

Now get out there and buy one.  

[spaceman]

No regrets to date...hopefully won't have any.  I've never had a bike with ABS, so I can't say I'm missing it.  It's a linked braking system, so it's a bit better (subject to argument) in that respect.  It's really a matter of choice.  For me, it wasn't a deal breaker but a nice to have.  Instead I put better pads in, flush the system regularly, practice quick stops often and ride my own ride; figured might as well improve stopping in other ways.  

Use the non ABS as a bargaining chip if you can, and when you find the right deal (and the current brakes ABS or not work), go for it.  

Now get out there and buy one.  

Thanks for your response.....much appreciated.

[Chappy8]

Thanks for your response.....much appreciated.

No problem.  Here are a few to look into?  Not all have ABS however.

http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/1784670654.html
http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/1832915907.html
http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/1827472560.html
http://burlington.craigslist.org/mcy/1809610062.html
http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/1828430329.html
http://worcester.craigslist.org/mcy/1790588250.html

Good luck and keep us posted.

[SVTNate]

Well typical Cycle Trader BS... both local dealers that claimed to have '08 VFR's in stock did not.

My local dealer has a new, black '09 that I sat on today after a 300-mile ride through some of SoCal's best twisty roads on my FJR.  I have to admit that ridden aggressively, the weight of the FJR gets really tiring, and the shaft drive can get annoying on corner exits.

He says that claims of getting new VFR's for 7 grand-7500 OTD are not realistic except for the '07 RWB.  He showed me a dealer sheet showing a $2,000 (roughly) manufacturer incentive for that model, but no similar incentive on the '08 or '09 models.

At first he said that 8 grand OTD was probably the best, which IMO is acceptable, but later said something about 10 grand.  These weren't serious price discussions, as my FJR is in for its 4k service and fresh Pilot Road 2's right now (dropped it off today at my favorite indy shop) and I'd feel stupid paying for that service (and I just got a PCV + dyno tune) and then selling it.  I can afford to buy a new '09 VFR at 10 grand OTD, but talking to guys here, that seems like a high price given the current economy.

The bike felt great.  I like it better than the new VFR1200, which I sat on immediately after the 800.  It's (the 800) 100 pounds lighter than my FJR.  Sure, I know, keep the FJR for long trips, but I don't really have time for anything but 300-ish mile day trips, always revolving around hitting some twisty mountain or canyon roads.  I fear my FJR would just sit in the garage.  I've had it under a year, it's like-new, I paid 14k for it, plus the service, tires, PCV, dyno tune, windscreen, ASV levers, exhaust, etc. I have a lot of money into it.  It's a great bike, but I'm discovering that the riding I like best would be more enjoyable on another, lighter, more sport-oriented bike.

I'm not sure if I'm asking for advice, or just whining about it, but the new bike-itis is really strong right now.  I'm afraid that if I wait much longer, new VFR800's will be impossible to find.

[swimmer]

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I'm not sure if I'm asking for advice, or just whining about it, but the new bike-itis is really strong right now.  I'm afraid that if I wait much longer, new VFR800's will be impossible to find.

Are you against buying used?  Plenty of lightly used models around and could save thousands - to spend on upgrades.

[XLR8]

Well typical Cycle Trader BS... both local dealers that claimed to have '08 VFR's in stock did not.

My local dealer has a new, black '09 that I sat on today after a 300-mile ride through some of SoCal's best twisty roads on my FJR.  I have to admit that ridden aggressively, the weight of the FJR gets really tiring, and the shaft drive can get annoying on corner exits.

He says that claims of getting new VFR's for 7 grand-7500 OTD are not realistic except for the '07 RWB.  He showed me a dealer sheet showing a $2,000 (roughly) manufacturer incentive for that model, but no similar incentive on the '08 or '09 models.

At first he said that 8 grand OTD was probably the best, which IMO is acceptable, but later said something about 10 grand.  These weren't serious price discussions, as my FJR is in for its 4k service and fresh Pilot Road 2's right now (dropped it off today at my favorite indy shop) and I'd feel stupid paying for that service (and I just got a PCV + dyno tune) and then selling it.  I can afford to buy a new '09 VFR at 10 grand OTD, but talking to guys here, that seems like a high price given the current economy.

The bike felt great.  I like it better than the new VFR1200, which I sat on immediately after the 800.  It's (the 800) 100 pounds lighter than my FJR.  Sure, I know, keep the FJR for long trips, but I don't really have time for anything but 300-ish mile day trips, always revolving around hitting some twisty mountain or canyon roads.  I fear my FJR would just sit in the garage.  I've had it under a year, it's like-new, I paid 14k for it, plus the service, tires, PCV, dyno tune, windscreen, ASV levers, exhaust, etc. I have a lot of money into it.  It's a great bike, but I'm discovering that the riding I like best would be more enjoyable on another, lighter, more sport-oriented bike.

I'm not sure if I'm asking for advice, or just whining about it, but the new bike-itis is really strong right now.  I'm afraid that if I wait much longer, new VFR800's will be impossible to find.

I used to have an 05 FJR. I will probably get another one or something similar within the next two years.

The VFR 800 is great and I ride it with more confidence than any bike I've owned but I do miss the big couch, shaft and bags for longer trips.

[Mastros2]

Why not skip the dealer and find someone selling their used bike?  You will save a bit and not have to pay any dealer fees.  

[spaceman]

Do you guys know if there are any "dealer fees" on used bikes sold through dealerships? It should be the negotiated price, and a title fee only, correct?

[Mastros2]

Yeah, it's included in the price markup!  Most of the fees are for new vehicles; dealer prep, destination charges, etc.

[SVTNate]

1.  No like-new Viffer's for sale around here
2.  I don't like to buy used.  I'll pay a premium, but when people are saying "I got my new VFR800 for $7500 OTD", 10 grand makes me scratch my head.

I think if I settle for a new '09 (nice bike, I just didn't want another black bike) I can make local dealers fight for my money since several appear to still stock them.

[gritsngravy]

I think the blow out pricing got rid of most of the '07s but like others have said the used market is pretty nice now.   FWIW I got my new leftover '07 for ~8800 otd in 6/2009.   I'm here in high as hell tax me for everything California so YMMV.  

I think you may have luck just scowering local honda dealers for an '07.....who knows.  Whatever the case definately buy the bike, they are nice daily riders and/or weekend escape devices.  

I've made zero mods to mine and I love it as is.   Like others have said there is a bit of lean/abrupt throttle response on the bottom , that's my one complaint ...it hasn't moved me to get a PC though, it's just not that big of an issue for me.  

[spaceman]

I think the blow out pricing got rid of most of the '07s but like others have said the used market is pretty nice now.   FWIW I got my new leftover '07 for ~8800 otd in 6/2009.   I'm here in high as hell tax me for everything California so YMMV.  

I think you may have luck just scowering local honda dealers for an '07.....who knows.  Whatever the case definately buy the bike, they are nice daily riders and/or weekend escape devices.  

I've made zero mods to mine and I love it as is.   Like others have said there is a bit of lean/abrupt throttle response on the bottom , that's my one complaint ...it hasn't moved me to get a PC though, it's just not that big of an issue for me.  

I've been looking online for an 07/08 with ABS. Just for the hell of it, I checked with my local dealer today. They didn't have any, so I asked if they could have one shipped in. Yes, they could! They couldn't find an 07, but they did find an 08 for $10900. I asked if that was for ABS......"let me check".......ummm, no, but we can the ABS for $900 more......WTF? I guess this is why I didn't go to them in the first place. I'm finding 08 with ABS in certain areas of the country ranging from 8200 to 11700. What is really a fair price for an 08 with ABS with 0 miles? I just couldn't believe the local wouldn't budge from MSRP.

[atadaskew]

WTF? I guess this is why I didn't go to them in the first place. .... I just couldn't believe the local wouldn't budge from MSRP.

Some dealers just blow and think if you actually come to them with a request, you'll do anything to get that bike.
I had a much worse experience at a Guzzi dealership several months back.  I wanted a Griso - a $14K bike, once I showed interest they inflated the price to $18K otd.  3 months later that bike is still there.  Unbelievable.

[gritsngravy]

I've been looking online for an 07/08 with ABS. Just for the hell of it, I checked with my local dealer today. They didn't have any, so I asked if they could have one shipped in. Yes, they could! They couldn't find an 07, but they did find an 08 for $10900. I asked if that was for ABS......"let me check".......ummm, no, but we can the ABS for $900 more......WTF? I guess this is why I didn't go to them in the first place. I'm finding 08 with ABS in certain areas of the country ranging from 8200 to 11700. What is really a fair price for an 08 with ABS with 0 miles? I just couldn't believe the local wouldn't budge from MSRP.

Yeah, that's I jumped on mine last year.  The price was near what clean used low mileage examples go for.    Different markets bear different prices so that's probably why you're seeing all the variances.    A fair price?  about 9k for non abs, maybe $500 more for ABS....that's out the door.  

[spaceman]

Hey everyone,

Bought an 08 with ABS today with 2052 miles. I'm having it shipped to me from PA......yeah, yeah, I know, fly down and drive it home! If work wasn't such a pain in the ass right now I would, but hey, if it wasn't for work, no new bike!

[XLR8]

Congrats. That color is totally gorgeous.  

[Bryan217]

Hey everyone,

Bought an 08 with ABS today with 2052 miles. I'm having it shipped to me from PA......yeah, yeah, I know, fly down and drive it home! If work wasn't such a pain in the ass right now I would, but hey, if it wasn't for work, no new bike!

Congrats on the nice find. Check out vfrdiscussion.com for any info you need/want.  

[Mastros2]

Excellent find! I agree, color is great!

[swimmer]

Excellent find! I agree, color is great!

+1

[spaceman]

Congrats on the nice find. Check out vfrdiscussion.com for any info you need/want.  

  Yup...just signed up today!

[veefer800canuck]

Now get yourself a ToroCharger to go with it!

[Mastros2]

If anyone is still searching for a 6th gen, my local dealer is selling a '07 rwb...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-Interceptor-VFR8007-07-VFR-800-NEW-2007-HONDA-INTERCEPTOR-VFR800-25TH-ANNIVERSARY-ED-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem43a0986a8fQQitemZ290457152143QQptZUSQ5fmotorcycles

[motormike]

I rode home through rain, freezing rain, snow, general cold and 70 degree weather.  All along, I thought while the weather sucks, this bike is truly amazing.  Huge upgrade over the SV650S I had prior and I loved that bike.  The only addition I've done to my bike since I've ownded it is lowered footpegs, and the other wearables.  This was due to trying some out while in CO last summer for the VFRD meet and for my length, this was just what I needed.  Now I wouldn't trade this bike, well not yet anyway.  

Oh, oh.  I'm a newly licensed rider without a bike and am window shopping many bikes.  I am leaning towards a SV650S next Spring.  It's hard to know what would be an ideal bike for me without riding a bike now.  I still think the SV650S is a good bike but I find myself already looking at what would be a second bike which isn't good to be doing.  The VRF800 caught my eye as it's smaller than many of the larger sport-touring bikes.  I don't want a bike with excessive power since I'm a noob.  Anyway, it's still fun window shopping on the internet.

[motormike]

Spaceman,

How are you liking the 2008 VFR800 with ABS?  Better than you Ninja 650r?

Chappy8,

Any more comparison thoughts on the upgrade from SV650 to VFR800?

I like the specs and styling on the VFR800, but don't have a clue what chain driven cams mean.

Am I the only one still reading this thread?

[motormike]

Any more love for the 6th generation?

[Rigger]

VFR all the way          

[XLR8]

I've been looking around just to see if there's anything I like enough to replace my VFR. Don't even really have a budget.

My two favs are the K1300s and the C-14. But even then I don't like them enough to change yet. So there's some VFR love for you.  

[Rogue]

Any more comparison thoughts on the upgrade from SV650 to VFR800?

I like the specs and styling on the VFR800, but don't have a clue what chain driven cams mean.

Those are two very different bikes.  While there is a whole lotta love for the SV650, an SV650 is a budget bike with 75 rwhp.  The VFR800 is a whole other league in terms of chassis, suspension quality, braking, engine, etc., etc.  It also has 100 rwhp.  The VFR800 won't break a sweat to get to 120 mph, while the SV650 will be hard pressed to get there.  SV is a great beginner's bike you can grow on though.  A VFR800 is probably not a great beginner's bike but you can certainly do worse.

For a few generations, the VFR used gear driven double overhead cams.  That means the cams spin using gears driven by the crankshaft.  This configuration is very robust and reliable, but it is heavy and expensive.  It also endows the engine with a distinctive gear whine that adds to the lustfull sound of the V4 exhaust note.  If you have ever heard a VFR with the gear driven DOHC and an aftermarket pipe, it is one of the most beautiful sounding engines you will ever hear.  In 2002, Honda switched to chain driven DOHC on the VFR800.  So instead of gears, a chain is connected to the crankshaft somewhere, and that chain goes upwards to the top of the valve convers to drive those overhead cams per cylinder.  This arrangement is the most common among DOHC engines because it is lighter, simpler, less expensive, and still gets the job done.  

Recently, a few other bikes have surpassed the 6th Generation VFR800 in terms of being the best balanced bike there is.  Still, at its price range nothing really comes close except for one:  the Triumph Sprint ST.  

I love my '07 VFR800.  For me it has the perfect balance of overall sporting capability, power, and practicality that is sorely missing on many bikes except full on sport-touring models of much larger, and heavier sizes.  Things like a protective fairing, sporty but still upright riding position, a standard centerstand, a complete gauge cluster, powerful headlights, effective mirrors, and the convenience of a Single Sided Swingarm complete the VFR800.  

In my opinion, there are only two bikes out there that is as complete as the VFR800 that is within its price and size class:  They are the Triumph Sprint ST and the BMW F800ST.  All of them are very similar, althought I think the VFR800 is the best of them as it adds further refinement and quality of fit and finish to the mix.

[motormike]

Rogue, thanks for your opinion.

 

I'm going to buy a SV650s but I really like the VFR800 but shouldn't be looking at that until I get some experience.  The 2007 RWB really catches my eye.

I'm was familiar with the 5th and 6th generation differences on paper.   I haven't heard either of the engines.

Edit to add:  I've been also browsing the Sprint ST and BMW F800ST at local dealers.  I haven't seen the new Sprint GT yet in person.  Of all these, I seem to gravitate to the VFR800 the most, which is why I had a few bumps of this thread above.

[Bryan217]

Very nicely done, Rogue.   That sounds pretty objective, especially coming from a VFR owner. I have to agree with you on just about everything. I have no experience with the previous generation VFRs and there gear driven cams, so I guess I don't know what I'm missing there. You also brought up one of the high points of the VFR that doesn't seem to get much mention, the headlights. They are some of the best stock headlights out there.

I agree with your points on the Triumph and BMW. I actually considered the Triumph before I decided on the VFR, but the Triumph just didn't do it for me.

And Mike, you have good taste, liking the 07 RWB VFR. But you owe it to yourself to listen to one when you get a chance. The V4 sound is quite distinctive, and lovely.

[Rogue]

I test rode both the Triumph Sprint ST and the BMW F800ST.  Both are really good motorcycles in their respective classes.  The Sprint ST is the hooligan of this group due to its great triple motor--power to spare, great sound in its own right and very distinctive, almost a clone of the VFR800 bit with an attitude.  It's as if Triumph took a page out of the VFR800 playbook but put their spin on it via that kick-ass Triple.  BMW pretty much did the same thing but sadly, they took several steps backwards in content.  Instead of a four, they shelled out two cylinders, thereby sacrificing top end power.  The F800ST's cockpit was also a let down with cheap components and a relatively sparse gauge package.  Yet, they priced the bike right in line with the VFR800.  Still, it's a good bike all on its own and it offers things that the other two didn't, mainly lightweight and belt drive.  The F800ST would make for a great bike for noobie riders who want a complete bike instead of a "beginner's bike".  It's light and not over powering.  Sadly, only the F800ST remains available new in this trio of great middleweight Sporty ST bikes.  Perhaps now it will find more success.  I hope so because it's a great effort and is now unique in this class.

[Rogue]

Bryan, I never understood why many manufacturers short changed owners with mediocre headlights.  The VFR gives us four with two on full time!  

[Bryan217]

I hated the lights on my previous bike, 04 R6. It had two headlights, with only one on for low beam, and two fake headlights. I love the 4 working, bright lights on the VFR.

[swimmer]

I hated the lights on my previous bike, 04 R6. It had two headlights, with only one on for low beam, and two fake headlights. I love the 4 working, bright lights on the VFR.

But those 4 working lights are doing you no favors when you start adding heated grips, gear etc...  At least that was my experience.

[Rogue]

Never had any issues with the four headlights.  But then again, I rarely ever use all four at the same time with heated gear.  Maybe someday if I ever cross the desert at night in winter and I have the full heated liner, pants, gloves, GPS, radar detector, etc., all on at the same time.

[swimmer]

Never had any issues with the four headlights.  But then again, I rarely ever use all four at the same time with heated gear.  Maybe someday if I ever cross the desert at night in winter and I have the full heated liner, pants, gloves, GPS, radar detector, etc., all on at the same time.

Riding in the daytime, with brights on (as is normal) with a heated vest and heated grips was too much for my 6th gen.  I'd get to a stop light and the voltage would drop big time (<12V) and it took quite a while for the voltage to get back to  near normal after I resumed.  It would still only be around 14V which is lower than it should be.  Normal is 14.3-14.5 if I recall.  If you don't make a habit of riding with your brights on maybe its no big deal but I can't see why during the day you'd ride without the high beams on all the time.  

[Rogue]

On the VFR800, I don't recommend riding with high beams on during the day.  It pisses people off.  The two low beams are sufficient.  However, I understand why you would do that because it does get people's attention.

On my Firebolt, I ride with high beams on because the low beams are simply pathetic!

[motormike]

And Mike, you have good taste, liking the 07 RWB VFR. But you owe it to yourself to listen to one when you get a chance. The V4 sound is quite distinctive, and lovely.

I watched a few Youtube videos.  Those just make me want one more.  

Nice, you found a 2007 RWB with ABS!

[Bryan217]

I watched a few Youtube videos.  Those just make me want one more.  

Nice, you found a 2007 RWB with ABS!

Yup, I really wanted ABS. I ended up going to PA to get it. And I have to say, I got it for a good price, too, $6999OTD.  

[motormike]

Yup, I really wanted ABS. I ended up going to PA to get it. And I have to say, I got it for a good price, too, $6999OTD.  

Was $6,999 the price for a new leftover VFR with ABS?  If so, you did well!

[Bryan217]

Was $6,999 the price for a new leftover VFR with ABS?  If so, you did well!

Yes it was. And yes I did.  

[ScottB]

Congrats... get some pics up pronto!  Despite having two great motorcycles, I do miss my VFR from time to time (even though it was a 5th gen... the last PROPER VFR!  )

[motormike]

Yes it was. And yes I did.  

YOU SUCK!    

Just curioius, what bike did you have before this?

[Bryan217]

Congrats... get some pics up pronto!  Despite having two great motorcycles, I do miss my VFR from time to time (even though it was a 5th gen... the last PROPER VFR!  )

From last summer.



And the most recent, from Christmas day.



And I'm not even gonna touch the "proper" VFR comment.  

YOU SUCK!    

Just curioius, what bike did you have before this?

  Before the VFR, I had an 04 Yamaha R6. That was my first bike in about 15 years.

[motormike]

Looks nice!

The Gray/Silver model from 2008 is tollerable but I really dislike the black from 2009.

[Bryan217]

I'm not a fan of black either, too boring. But The white/black scheme that wasn't available in the US was quite nice.

[numbah9]

As the owner of a yellow 00 VFR... geeeeez that RWB color scheme is gorgeous  

[Cheddarhead]

As the owner of a yellow 00 VFR... geeeeez that RWB color scheme is gorgeous  

+1.  Loves me some "Captain America" color scheme...

[Bryan217]

+1.  Loves me some "Captain America" color scheme...

I think that's the first time I've heard it referred to as that!!  

[Rogue]

The most beautiful 6th Gen VFR800 I ever saw was the Metallic Gray one, which I think only came out for two years.  I'm guessing 2004-2005.  I wasn't a fan of the flat black one, and that didn't matter what bike it was.  Looks unpainted to me and I never understood why it became such a fad.  This fad is still popular in some circles and now I just think it's over done.  There are people painting their car wheels flat black or removing hubcaps to give it the black look.  It just looks cheap to me.  

[Chappy8]

The most beautiful 6th Gen VFR800 I ever saw was the Metallic Gray one, which I think only came out for two years.  I'm guessing 2004-2005.  I wasn't a fan of the flat black one, and that didn't matter what bike it was.  Looks unpainted to me and I never understood why it became such a fad.  This fad is still popular in some circles and now I just think it's over done.  There are people painting their car wheels flat black or removing hubcaps to give it the black look.  It just looks cheap to me.  

Blasphemy!!

The one thing Honda's design team did wrong was to paint the wheels a glossier black.  They should have channeled the 3rd generation 8 spoke in flat black...should have never dropped it anyway.  They'll almost figured it out with the gray 08's.  What's the saying, curtains matching the carpet...

[Rogue]

The metalic gray VFR800's had medium silver wheels, not black.  I too don't like Gloss Black wheels.

[Sprintboy]

Saw one in Kansas with the wheels chromed.  It was sharp!

[Bryan217]

Chrome?! Yuck!    IMO, chrome belongs only on cruisers.

[motormike]

The 2008 Metallic Silver model is starting to grow on me.  It looks pretty nice.

[MCRyder]

I've been following this thread with a great deal of interest  .

After 5 years of riding a 2003 Sprint ST, I'm putting it on the sale block.  So now comes the decision process for what will replace the ST.  I've test rode the Sprint GT and liked it.  But, after years of owing Euro bikes (BMW & Triumph), the hassle of distance from dealers (100 miles +) has gotten to be...a hassle.  So only Japanese brands are on my current list, it being: Kawasaki C-14 Concours, Yamaha FJR1300A.

I'd considered a VFR800 when I bought the ST, but still had a thing for Euro brands at the time.  I am still leaning towards the C-14 and the FJR, but those wet weights  .  690lbs for the Connie with the FJR not far behind.  I've had heavy bikes (BMW K1100RS, Kawasaki C-10 Concours), but used them for two-up riding and touring.  Nowadays, with my son grown and riding his own, I only occasionally ride two-up with my wife.  And I've got a Suzuki Bandit 1250SA that handles that duty just fine.

A local dealer has great prices on the '07 25th Anniversary model, that paint job (Captain America, I love it  ) is great.  I prefer a non-ABS model (my Bandit has ABS, one such equipped bike's enough).  The ergo's are more stretched out than this "ahem" mature rider would like.  But risers are easily available for modification.

Can't buy anything till the Sprint gets sold, so there's time to make a decision.  I keep coming back to seeing myself on the VFR, it's definitely gotten stuck in my head.  

[spaceman]

The 2008 Metallic Silver model is starting to grow on me.  It looks pretty nice.

It grew on me....

[motormike]

The '08 Metallic Silver needs some accent color, possibly blue or high-viz yellow.  I'm guessing paint is expensive.

God, I need help.

[hovmaven]

I   my '07:

[spaceman]

The '08 Metallic Silver needs some accent color, possibly blue or high-viz yellow.  I'm guessing paint is expensive.

God, I need help.

I accent it with my grey/hi-viz yellow aerostich roadcrafter..

[motormike]

I accent it with my grey/hi-viz yellow aerostich roadcrafter..

I was also thinking that Stich color combo would look good as I have a hi-viz helmet.  I bet that matches well.  My blue comment above was because I like blue and have a blue jacket.

I was at a cycle shop on Friday and the sales guy thought the SV650 and VFR weren't too different in the amount of power as the SV650 is very torqy.  He wasn't trying to sell me a VFR as he didn't have any.  I have to find one to test drive.

I have been browsing the VFR Discussion site so I'm adding fuel to the fire.  I think a VFR would be great for longer rides.

[Rogue]

A local dealer has great prices on the '07 25th Anniversary model, that paint job (Captain America, I love it  ) is great.  I prefer a non-ABS model (my

Let me help you along by giving you a nice mental picture while you wait!  

[spaceman]

I was also thinking that Stich color combo would look good as I have a hi-viz helmet.  I bet that matches well.  My blue comment above was because I like blue and have a blue jacket.

I was at a cycle shop on Friday and the sales guy thought the SV650 and VFR weren't too different in the amount of power as the SV650 is very torqy.  He wasn't trying to sell me a VFR as he didn't have any.  I have to find one to test drive.

I have been browsing the VFR Discussion site so I'm adding fuel to the fire.  I think a VFR would be great for longer rides.

VFRD is a great site. Lots of excellent info and great help there. I went from a Kawi 650R (also nice and torqy). I prefer the smoothness and comfort of the VFR, and believe it or not, I really like the heavier bike. VTEC is fun as well....

[Mastros2]

I agree. The 6th gen vfr is a great all around bike.  Now I haven't rode any other vfr so I can only talk about this gen but I really enjoy it for touring.  Perfect balance of size and power.  As for the vtec, I am usually riding below or above the rpm.  Rarely do I feel the vtec "surge" back and forth.  I am either in "it" or out of "it".  

[motormike]

VFRD is a great site. Lots of excellent info and great help there. I went from a Kawi 650R (also nice and torqy). I prefer the smoothness and comfort of the VFR, and believe it or not, I really like the heavier bike. VTEC is fun as well....

Yeah, I've been reading more and more over there lately because I think I want a VFR in a year or so.  They really appeal to me.  I'm a new rider and I want some seat time on a SV650 before leaping to the VFR800.  

Would joing the VFRD be silly if I don't own one?  I keep posted to this thread because that is where my interest is.

[Bryan217]

Would joing the VFRD be silly if I don't own one?  I keep posted to this thread because that is where my interest is.

No, it wouldn't be silly. I'm a member and can vouch that the guys will be more than glad to accept you, even if you are just 'looking' at the VFR and want to learn more about it. A great bunch of guys.

[spaceman]

Yeah, I've been reading more and more over there lately because I think I want a VFR in a year or so.  They really appeal to me.  I'm a new rider and I want some seat time on a SV650 before leaping to the VFR800.  

Would joing the VFRD be silly if I don't own one?  I keep posted to this thread because that is where my interest is.

Not at all. Go ahead and join, and if you have any questions, there are a multitude of knowledgeable people there to help you out.

[Rogue]

VFRd has been a great resource for me.  It helped me immensely when I worked on my 5th Generation VFR and continues to deliver the information I need on my 6th Gen.  Very helpful and friendly bunch of guys.

[motormike]

I signed up two days ago.  I'm in over my head, now.  God help me!

 

[aks801]

Re-visiting my old post.  Now I'm starting to re-acquire that 6th-gen lust, all over again!!!

[motormike]

Atta boy!
 

[2007VFR]

I just bought a 2007 anniversary VFR800.  Love the bike to death, but it's got an intermittent knock in the top end primarily at idle.  Comes and goes, sometimes very loud, other times much more subdued, other times not there at all.
It's been suggested to me it's the cam chain tensioner.....I didn't think I'd have that problem on a 2007...????

[Infidel]

I have an 07 RWB 6th gen. Love the bike. Might pull the trigger on a C14 though. Won't trade the VFR in for it!!

[Bryan217]

I just bought a 2007 anniversary VFR800.  Love the bike to death, but it's got an intermittent knock in the top end primarily at idle.  Comes and goes, sometimes very loud, other times much more subdued, other times not there at all.
It's been suggested to me it's the cam chain tensioner.....I didn't think I'd have that problem on a 2007...????

If you're looking for some help diagnosing the problem, check out http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php?

[gradus]

The metalic gray VFR800's had medium silver wheels, not black.  I too don't like Gloss Black wheels.

The silver 2003 has black wheels.  The silver 2005 has silver wheels.  

[motormike]

Okay, how much more "pull" or acceleration does the VFR800 have over the SV650?

I know that’s probably impossible to put into words.  A little?  Significant?  Same?

It was stated earlier in this thread (page 4) that the VFR800 has 100 rwhp and the SV650 has 75 rwhp, but I’ve heard the SV650 has more torque.   I’ve had my SV650s for almost two months but haven’t done a great deal of riding.  I think the SV650 is really light and doesn’t have overwhelming power by any means.

[schmii]

SV650 Dyno

http://www.twobros.com/Cust_Service/Dyno_Charts/Suz_SV650S-2003_SO_Dyno.pdf

436 lb (198 kg) wet

http://www.twobros.com/Cust_Service/Dyno_Charts/Hon_VFR800FI_Stash_Dyno.pdf

244.9 kg (540.0 pounds) wet

Power to weight ratio the SV wins until you're in the higher revs and I think it's geared shorter.  slightly less acceleration until you rev it up.

[motormike]

Those dyno charts don't mean much to me.

[Rogue]

Let's just say that the VFR800 VTEC will smoke an SV650 in any speed contest.

An SV will be hard pressed to hit 120 mph.  The VFR800 will get to 120 in a big hurry.

Off the line, they may be even up.  After that the VFR is gone.  You will feel a big difference.

[motormike]

Thanks Rogue!  I like that answer.

Damn, I think I want one.  Of course, that could mean trouble.

[Bryan217]

Damn, I think I want one.  Of course, that could mean trouble.

Don't think about it, just do it!

[motormike]

Bryan, I'm still looking but nowhere is there as good as a deal that you got on a new VFR800 with ABS.  I've been looking for months now, but I'm not necessarily ready to buy.


I'm a new rider so I don't ride agressively or very fast....but I'm wanting some more pull when I feel the need for speed.  I also want a little more highway stability.

I had some friends in high school in the mid 1980's that had a GSXR 750 and GSXR 1100.  As a passenger I remember hanging on for dear life and the front wheel would rise when it hit the power band.

[Bryan217]

Hey Mike,

Yeah, I got a sweet deal on mine.   I just looked on cycletrader and I can't believe they're still asking $9k (and up) for new leftovers when I got mine for $7k almost two years ago! It's insane.

[motormike]

You don't have to tell me.... I know!  I don't think there are any new 2007s left and only a few 2008.  Dealers had Honda rebates to use so now gently used bikes are more than you paid.

[alain173]

"Shameless plug alert!"

http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,65697.0.html

It's metallic black, recently purchased Givi rack and cases. Also large Honda wing decal for the side panels (hide's some of the ooops's). Steal it from me now or let me keep her and ride the piss out of it! Only reason wanting to sell is looking for something better set up for two-up riding. Good luck!

[davesxx01]

Here is a nice one too!

http://madison.craigslist.org/mcy/2555631853.html

[Professor ST]

...and I just resatisfied my lust for this great motorcycle with a new 2007 RWB I'm picking up tomorrow.

I had a 2006 before spending a year with a Rocket III Touring behemoth (not bad!), but the siren started calling.

Before that I had a 1999 and a 2000  for some great miles.

[Bryan217]

Congrats on the RWB! Post up pics when you get it.

[motormike]

Okay, now it's official.  My questions and curiosity were answered.  The comments in this thread were confirmed.  Today, I test rode a used 2007 RWB with Pazzo short levers and no ABS.  I rode on a curvy service road and residential streets near the dealer and took it on the highway for a few miles before turning around.  Compared to my SV650s, I loved it!

The riding position, seat and levers were real comfortable.  I seemed to fit the cockpit curves nicely.   The shifting and brakes were smooth and solid.  The power was nice and VTEC kick was noticeable, but not a big deal.  I wasn't pushing it hard but accelerated enough for 7,000 rpm.  I think I only got up to fourth gear around 80 mph, whereas my bike hits sixth gear much sooner.  I usually don't ride with high rpms.  I'm still a noob.

Now, I really want one.

[Bryan217]

Glad you had the chance to take one for a test ride. Now take the plunge already. Put your SV up for sale and buy the VFR! You won't regret it.

[motormike]

Yep, the wheels are in motion.  The Dealer doesn't have any Sales Managers working on Sunday so I have to wait until tomorrow to discuss numbers.  Someone I know will test ride my SV today.

I'd like ABS and RWB but may have to settle for one without ABS that is close to me.  I don't have time to fly and ride.  I think my second choice would be 2008 Metallic Gray and third choice would be 2007 Candy Red or whatever it is called.   The one I drove has stock exhaust which I like.  Factory bags would be a bonus.

The riding season is almost over here.  If things don't work out, I guess I will wait until next Spring.

[Bryan217]

Yeah, I think the RWB with ABS and hard bags is the best 6th Gen ever. But I'll admit, I'm biased. Somebody on VFRD just posted a real good deal on the bags.

I can't wait to see the pics when you get it.

[motormike]

The local dealer sold the RWB yesterday.  I was going to look at it tonight and most likely buy it.

Back to my search.

I realized I probably want Pazzo levers.  Yes, I know the Chinese make the fake ones but I don't think I'm interested in those.

[Bryan217]

The only problem I've had so far with the Chinese levers is the "red" color on the adjustors. It wasn't very red to begin with, and now some months later, they're more pink. But I can deal with it. Maybe next year, I'll get another set. For $44, you can't complain.