The 848 was too slow.

[falconati]

So they're giving it 140 BHP!

Ducati has replaced its 848 middleweight with the new 848 EVO – at 140bhp the most powerful supersport bike it has ever produced. The power hike comes from an overhauled engine and it's contained by better brakes and a steering damper for the first time.

Other updates include new cylinder heads with revised port shapes, new cams with revised timing, a new piston crown shape, higher compression, larger throttle bodies and two lambda probes. The tweaks see the engine outperforming even BMW's S1000RR according to the engineer's standard measure of engine performance - bhp/litre/1000rpm. Weight remains the same at 168kg claimed.

A new paintscheme will be offered alongside the traditional colours of red with a red frame and black wheels. It's called 'dark stealth' and features a 'racing black' frame and black wheels.    

The 848 EVO's tuned Testastretta Evoluzione engine produces 140hp at 10,500rpm and 72.3lb-ft of torque at 9,750rpm – an extraordinary set of stats for the capacity.

Read the entire article here:  http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/July/jul2010-ducati-848-evo/

[garry]

That's HAWT!

[Rincewind]

The bike is up on the Duc site already - http://www.ducatiusa.com/bikes/superbike/848__evo_/2011/14/index.do

US$ 12,995 for the Dark Stealth.  A hearty $1k more for red.

I love the stealth paint job.  

[MadOzodi]

I just messed my pants in a happy way.

 

[Mookie]

I like.

13k isn't a bad price either.

[Mr Sunshine]

Hot damn...I need another job!

[bogthing]

Lawd Jaysusssss!!!!!

[MadOzodi]

I just wanted to add, "Good golly, me wanty!"

 

[R Doug]

Must


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Or, I could start selling drugs  

That would be an excellent track toy.  

[shah269]

1hp/2lb.....oh brother i need a new pair of pants!
This thing is like a long legged perky boobied blue eyed red head.....with a slight mental problem.
You know she will kill you.....but you know it would be fun.  

[UFO]

 

[garry]

To be honest, a 6HP gain and 2 ft-lbs isn't a huge increase. It isn't like it was slow before. I do dig the monoblock Brembos on my KTM, so I'm sure the black Duc will slow itself quite well. I really like the color scheme. Always been a fan of the "Dark" series, but those were the budget versions of the bikes. I guess I'd be more impressed if the Evo version included Ohlins suspension, a full Termi exhaust with ECU, lightweight wheels and some carbon fiber bits to go with the stealthy looks. Of course, it'd be more like $17K then...

[MadOzodi]

It's the paint job that does it for me.  I couldn't ride a regular 848 to 50% of it's potential anyway.

[kevin_stevens]

Very nice - but what do they mean by "most powerful (Ducati) supersport bike ever"?  What bikes do they include in that category?

KeS

[Mookie]

I'd guess all their previous supersport bikes.  

[DogBoy]

Glad to see the 848 get a brake upgrade.

[Mr. Whippy]

My plan was to ride my Multistrada to the 40K mark and then swap.  I don't think I'll make it to 30K now... (9K to go)

That thang is RAHsome!  (In black too!)

[Papa Lazarou]

Glad to see the 848 get a brake upgrade.

I'd hate it if one ran into me. So I approve.

What's the smallest bird in the world? Probably a hummingbird.

Fecking wrens eating all my runner bean flowers. Wrens are small.

[Windblown]

Meh, Holds no interest to me to have a Ducati in the shed.
















Actually I love the look. The problem is I could never afford full coverage insurance on it ,and that is one bike I would probably NEED full coverage insurance on.

[ScottB]

I wonder why the red is $1k more.

[Jeff]

I just messed my pants in a happy way.

 

You and me both. Oh my.  

What I'd really want is the 848 Dark, but with a red frame.

[Mr. Whippy]

This Duc looks WAY better in black  

[R Doug]

The only problem is you can't put an open clutch cover on the 848.  Well, you could but it would be a bit messy.  


There's always the expensive dry clutch conversion.  Or, you could pick up a Ducati Tambourine for a less pricier effect.  

[GooseMan]

Very nice - but what do they mean by "most powerful (Ducati) supersport bike ever"?  What bikes do they include in that category?

KeS

yeah...I dont get it...arent they all supersports? whats an 1198 then? a "superbike"?  

[ericz]

I wonder why the red is $1k more.

Paint or the lack there of on the Dark, makes a $1000 difference.  

[Kramer]

yeah...I dont get it...arent they all supersports? whats an 1198 then? a "superbike"?  

848=SS   (AMA 600cc class)
http://amaproracing.com/rr/about/index.cfm?class=ss

1198=Superbike (AMA 4-Cylinder/4-Stroke 1000cc engines; 390 lbs: 2-Cylinder/4-Stroke engines over 1000cc)
http://amaproracing.com/rr/about/index.cfm?class=sb

different category, different class.

[nater]

That thing is sweet!  Someday I would like to own a Duc SS.  Until then, I will dream...

[Mr Sunshine]

yeah...I dont get it...arent they all supersports? whats an 1198 then? a "superbike"?  

yes

[BlueRidgeKat]

I wonder why the red is $1k more.

Because "Red" makes it look like a real Ducati.

Why dont they just throw that shin guard away they are using for a seat and forget about a seat all together.

Tis Beautiful !!!

[Emerson00]

1hp/2lb.....oh brother i need a new pair of pants!
This thing is like a long legged perky boobied blue eyed red head.....with a slight mental problem.
You know she will kill you.....but you know it would be fun.  

That seems like the best way to put it...

I've been trying to get rid of shit, but this is going to make that hard to do!

[Brad1445]

must have....

[Galo]

I tried to stay away from this thread. I opened up every other forum on STN. I shut the laptop down & hid it for a couple hours. I took two cold showers. I cleaned and oiled the chain on my bike prior to takeoff for the BBBQ tomorrow early......and still, I opend this **&&^%%^%$ thread and saw the pictures....

The spirit is willing but the flesh is so, sooooooo weak.....
 

[miles]

OK.  The old version had a claimed 134hp, and Motorcyclist.com calls out 112 rwhp.  Does that mean the new one makes 117 at the wheel?  Wow.
Compare that to 106 rwhp from the Kawasaki ZX6... which similar math would yield 128 hp in Ducati World.  That 250cc sure doesn't buy you much.

It is pretty, though.

[swimmer]

So they're giving it 140 BHP!

Oh damn!  That is a great looking motorcycle.

[Mr Sunshine]

OK.  The old version had a claimed 134hp, and Motorcyclist.com calls out 112 rwhp.  Does that mean the new one makes 117 at the wheel?  Wow.
Compare that to 106 rwhp from the Kawasaki ZX6... which similar math would yield 128 hp in Ducati World.  That 250cc sure doesn't buy you much.

It is pretty, though.

What does the ZX6 make at 10,500 rpms?

[HanksXXX]

What does the ZX6 make at 10,500 rpms?

Why?
Is the ZX6 limited to 10,500 RPM's?

Seems like Ducati is pulling out all the stops to try to beat the 600's with the 848 and the 1000's with the 1198.
Or am I missing something?
Carry on guys...

[garry]

That 250cc sure doesn't buy you much.

It tromps the 600s in torque. 72 ft-lbs claimed (crank) versus mid/low 40s (rear wheel) for the current crop of supersports. I bet the 848 is way more forgiving/easy to ride on the street (aside from ergos) than a 600.

[miles]

Sure.  I guess my point is that trumpeting horsepower numbers is that 117 rwhp just isn't as impressive as it could

It tromps the 600s in torque. 72 ft-lbs claimed (crank) versus mid/low 40s (rear wheel) for the current crop of supersports. I bet the 848 is way more forgiving/easy to ride on the street (aside from ergos) than a 600.

Well, sure- almost 50% greater displacement should give more torque!

[atadaskew]

OK.  The old version had a claimed 134hp, and Motorcyclist.com calls out 112 rwhp.  Does that mean the new one makes 117 at the wheel?  Wow.
Compare that to 106 rwhp from the Kawasaki ZX6... which similar math would yield 128 hp in Ducati World.  That 250cc sure doesn't buy you much.

It is pretty, though.

As motorcycle-usa.com found out, the Kawi explodes into a meeellion little pieces if you put a pipe on it.

I've never read a test of any Ducati going ka-boom.  
So there is that.

[Mr. Whippy]

As motorcycle-usa.com found out, the Kawi explodes into a meeellion little pieces if you put a pipe on it.

I've never read a test of any Ducati going ka-boom.  
So there is that.

 

Need link.


oh yea, got the green light from BossLady...

[atadaskew]

 

Need link.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/9/7452/Motorcycle-Article/2010-Modified-Supersport-Shootout.aspx

[mikebr]

WOW...that is a sweet looking motorcycle..

[crispiegee1]

It sure seems like around 850cc's is a really nice size for a V-twin.  

[atadaskew]

It sure seems like around 850cc's is a really nice size for a V-twin.  

Guzzi has known this for a long time...
 

[motrhead]

he tweaks see the engine outperforming even BMW's S1000RR according to the engineer's standard measure of engine performance - bhp/litre/1000rpm.

 Marketing gobbledygook...the Ducati makes 164.8hp/liter, the BMW makes 193.2hp/liter. No comparison.
 The only time /1000rpm enters the picture is when you are trying to compare your comparatively anemic v-twin to a high revving inline four ...and those are probably those undersized Italian horses to boot
...not that it really matters- I'm still drooling over the 848, and I doubt I could ever make much use of all 140hp.

[Mr Sunshine]

 Marketing gobbledygook...the Ducati makes 164.8hp/liter, the BMW makes 193.2hp/liter. No comparison.
 The only time /1000rpm enters the picture is when you are trying to compare your comparatively anemic v-twin to a high revving inline four ...and those are probably those undersized Italian horses to boot
...not that it really matters- I'm still drooling over the 848, and I doubt I could ever make much use of all 140hp.

You can't measure hp per liter.  Only torque per liter.

[motrhead]

 Well I've been reading about hp/liter for the last 35 years, so it must be something

[Mr. Whippy]

You can't measure hp per liter.  Only torque per liter.

Why is that?  

Take engine maximum horsepower, and divide by the displacement.

By my calcs, 1 hp = 550 ft(lb)/minute

Nothing about those units precludes dividing it by volume.

[Mr Sunshine]

Why is that?  

Take engine maximum horsepower, and divide by the displacement.

By my calcs, 1 hp = 550 ft(lb)/minute

Nothing about those units precludes dividing it by volume.

Because it is all about how high the engine can rev.  Torque on the other hand isn't.

[Mr Sunshine]

 Well I've been reading about hp/liter for the last 35 years, so it must be something

You've been reading it in uneducated car magazines written by hacks who like to publish numbers that are wildly untrue.

[motrhead]

You've been reading it in uneducated car magazines written by hacks who like to publish numbers that are wildly untrue.

 Actually I've been reading what was written by F1 engineers...and they aren't hacks.

Horsepower is the rate at which the torque is produced. If your smaller engine produces more horsepower for it's smaller displacement, you have more hp per liter. It's pretty straightforward.
  The 1983 BMW 1.5 liter turbo produced over 1350 hp (or 900 hp /liter) in qualifying trim, although some claims were as high as 1500hp (1000hp/liter), which is probably the highest output we have seen (and that's about the same as the nitromethane Top Fuel engines)...
It was high rpm horsepower that did the job. It makes the S1000RR seem mild in comparison at probably somewhere around 210-218 bhp at the crankshaft.
 Since BMW is reporting rwhp (and may be understating the true number), I have to wonder if Ducati is using rwhp or a crank hp number. The stock BMW made 185.5 rwhp on the Akrapovic dyno (over 185 on a bunch of different dynos), even higher than they recorded for the Hayabusa at 179.5 hp (while the Duc 1198s made 157.4 hp). The BMW may actually still beat the 848 Evo on hp/liter/1000 rpm, not that it means anything, since hp is still hp whatever the rpm.  Horsepower is what wins races.

[motrhead]

Because it is all about how high the engine can rev.  Torque on the other hand isn't.

 Except the more times per minute you can apply that torque, the more work you can do...which is why we use horsepower to measure work.

[Mr Sunshine]

Whatever guys go on believing you are right....when you are dead wrong.  

If a Ducati could spin to 16,000 rpms (and stay together) then you can compare apples to apples...as it stands you are comparing apples to oranges.

[motrhead]

s:Whatever guys go on believing you are right....when you are dead wrong.   :rolleye

If a Ducati could spin to 16,000 rpms (and stay together) then you can compare apples to apples...as it stands you are comparing apples to oranges.

Whatever guy, go on believing you are right....when you are dead wrong.   :rolleye
 LOL. Somehow you are not grasping the simple physics...oh well.

[garry]

Because it is all about how high the engine can rev.  Torque on the other hand isn't.

+1. I think I'm with MrSunshine on this one. Torque/liter is a better indication of the state of tune of the engine.

HP/liter is tied to max RPMs and torque, so long stroke versus short stroke issues come into play with the max RPM an engine can do.

Torque provides acceleration. HP provides top speed. HP wins drag races or top speed down a long straight, but torque gets you drive out of corners. In the end, it seems race bikes are tuned/designed for HP because a rider can keep the bike at high RPMs most of the time. Street riding is all about torque IMO.

[Mr Sunshine]

Whatever guy, go on believing you are right....when you are dead wrong.   :rolleye
 LOL. Somehow you are not grasping the simple physics...oh well.

You are missing the part of physics where HP is all about revs.

[motrhead]

 Torque/liter is a better indication of the state of tune of the engine.
HP/liter is tied to max RPMs and torque, so long stroke versus short stroke issues come into play with the max RPM an engine can do.
Torque provides acceleration. HP provides top speed. HP wins drag races or top speed down a long straight, but torque gets you drive out of corners. In the end, it seems race bikes are tuned/designed for HP because a rider can keep the bike at high RPMs most of the time. Street riding is all about torque IMO.

 ...yet my little RZ350, with a surprisingly low torque/liter output (but in excess of 180hp/liter) will kick butt on many bikes twice the size...because of hp. You can make up for the lack of torque by having more rpm. Hp/liter is not a performance comparison, it's merely an idea of the state of tune of an engine. Big numbers are race engine territory, low numbers are reliable old tractor territory...you don't normally pick a race bike to ride around the world, and there's no use taking a tractor to the track.
 Hp/liter is not tied to anything except maximum horsepower (at whatever rpm that may occur), and displacement. If we have two engines that make the same torque at 5252 rpm, and one will continue to make hp to twice the rpm of the other, the hp engine  will win. Let's take the Buell XB12R, at approx. 77.5 lbs.-ft and 99.6hp at 6750rpm; while the '07 CBR600 only makes around 46 ft.-lbs at 11,000 rpm, BUT continues on to make 107hp at 13,600 rpm. Which is faster? The fastest guys have gotten the Buell down to an 11.4 sec or so 1/4 mile, and it tops out around 135mph. The CBR600 run a 10.4 second quarter mile, and tops out at 160mph plus. That's what hp does for you (yes the Honda is about 10 pounds lighter-that's nothing). A CBR600 will kick the ass of an old GS1150ES too, despite the massive difference in torque.
 Aero drag takes hp to overcome, so the bike with more hp is going to be faster. Higher hp/liter is a great thing to have if you like to go fast. If you are loafing around town, that big old lazy v-twin rules, since you don't really need to worry about which gear you are in. Horses for courses.
Transmissions are what we have to get the drive out of the corner when you don't have much torque...if I drop down three gears on my RZ to get rpm up to where I have real hp available, I will have as much drive out of the corner as you cranking open your v-twin.
 We are discussing near-race bikes here, and they aren't meant for loafing around town.

[motrhead]

You are missing the part of physics where HP is all about revs.

 That's exactly the part I do get...and it's why we rate highly tuned engines by hp/liter to compare their state of tune.

[coho]

Sometimes 848cc is plenty.  

Deutsch Panhard LeMans car. 140mph from a blown 848cc flat twin making about 70hp.



http://www.velocetoday.com/archives/2041

[Turcotte]

If anyone else out there rode one of the 1st-generation 848s... they were anything but slow.

[crispiegee1]

What's interesting is that horsepower and torque have little to do with how enjoyable a bike is to ride. I own a bike 90 rwhp and another one with 65 (claimed) horsepower (undoubtedly at the crankshaft). Which one puts a bigger smile on my face?  On most days the slower bike... it just entertains me.

So horsepower and torque is really academic, since most people on this board couldn't even approach either the Ducati's or the BMW's performance limitations. And even if you could, you'd be a fool to try it on the street.

[motrhead]

What's interesting is that horsepower and torque have little to do with how enjoyable a bike is to ride. I own a bike 90 rwhp and another one with 65 (claimed) horsepower (undoubtedly at the crankshaft). Which one puts a bigger smile on my face?  On most days the slower bike... it just entertains me.

So horsepower and torque is really academic, since most people on this board couldn't even approach either the Ducati's or the BMW's performance limitations. And even if you could, you'd be a fool to try it on the street.

...and that's why I'm getting my giggles from a little RZ350, and still have a license!

[Mr Sunshine]

So horsepower and torque is really academic, since most people on this board couldn't even approach either the Ducati's or the BMW's performance limitations. And even if you could, you'd be a fool to try it on the street.

I can and have on my Multistrada....it's taken pretty much no time to get used to its power.

Now the long travel suspension...still working that.