Loud Pipes Bill goes to the Governator's desk in California

[twotrackhero]

Sign that dam bill aready!!!

I got caught behind a group of jackasses on a 5 mile detour the other day   their bikes were so freekin loud I couldn't even hear my I pod on full blast. Now I Imagine there is already a law availble to shut them down for a high decibles from their bad ass pipes, but I would think that that would be a fixit ticket rather than a fine   Im sure their just after additional funds   Maybe the DMV should make it mandator for those guys to sit thru the south park episode about their cool pipes maybe they would get the hint, seeing its a cartoon and all.

[atadaskew]

So I can run open pipes on my Vespas as long as they have an EPA stamp on them?

[thatguy]

Sign that dam bill aready!!!

I got caught behind a group of jackasses on a 5 mile detour the other day   their bikes were so freekin loud I couldn't even hear my I pod on full blast. Now I Imagine there is already a law availble to shut them down for a high decibles from their bad ass pipes, but I would think that that would be a fixit ticket rather than a fine   Im sure their just after additional funds   Maybe the DMV should make it mandator for those guys to sit thru the south park episode about their cool pipes maybe they would get the hint, seeing its a cartoon and all.

How many of your bikes have stock exhaust?

[twotrackhero]

How many of your bikes have stock exhaust?

All of them with the exception of the YZ which has a FMF Q2 ( under 93 db with a US forestry approval)
 

EDIT: I don't have a problem with aftermarket pipes that add a little performance and a better tone, but a straight pipe busting everybody's ear drum for a five mile radius  

[thatguy]

93 dB my ass. Ever been tested? You might be surprised.

[twotrackhero]

93 dB my ass. Ever been tested? You might be surprised.

I guess you don't ride in  any national forests, tested regulary by the jolly green giant

[Kraz]

I think in Great Britain you can have aftermarket pipes, as long as they're compliant to the standards of the country - I believe they must be stamped to show that they are.

I would think that something similar could fly here - aftermarket slip-ons that aren't that loud, but lighter and less restrictive should be allowed, IMO.

[marc11]

You know we can argue the merit of this bill and we can dissect it 100 ways, slant it anyway we want, but the bottom line and the the one thing we should all be concerned about is more and more laws are being drafted to specifically target motorcycles or being justified because of motorcycles.  We have seen recent increases in legislation toward reckless driving/riding proposed after motorcycle chases and more and more we are seeing legislation being proposed targeting noise.

We failed to police ourselves and as such we will be policed by well the police.  It may be a fight to get these laws passed, but the more asshats rip down those country roads where they thing no one lives, rev engines at red lights and generally act like FTFY jerks with overly loud pipes a wave of public outcry will get these laws enforced sooner than later.  And the one main thing I am seeing, the trend to which may be the one issue which pushes it forward is the "green" card, if it is bad for the environment to swap out our exhaust then the entire country gets behind it.

[1KPerDay]

Loud Pipes Bill

I love that guy. Eats a lot of chili.

[thatguy]

Motorcycles are a target for such misguided legislation because we're small enough to bully but big enough to use as revenue. This crap of public relations is just that. We'll be seen as miscreants and outcasts by the general public no matter what we do. Now don't see this as my condoning misbehaving because it's not. Motorcyclists are just an easy target. The one's they're targeting are a small part of riders but stand out enough to be used against us as a group. And how to you propose that we "police ourselves?" Every time you see a bike without OEM exhausts we chase them down and give 'em a piece of our mind? Please.

[marc11]

And how to you propose that we "police ourselves?" Every time you see a bike without OEM exhausts we chase them down and give 'em a piece of our mind? Please.

Yeah that is what "police ourselves" means, clearly YOU get it.  We should stop each other and berate one another for our loud bikes and so on.  

Or, perhaps a more open minded person would see this as meaning we shouldn't encourage the use of overly loud pipes, stunting in public, aggressive riding, etc we should be more aware of where we ride and how we ride, we should be helping younger riders understand the impact of riding like an asshole in residential areas and so on.

When we are in a group of riders and someone acts like that, on road or off road, or they have a straight pipes in your riding group, then hell yes, by policing ourselves it means, saying something to that person, seeing if we can make them aware of the damage they are doing to all riders and riding areas (in the case of off road).

Is that so hard to do as an individual?  Nope, and if all of us did so, the message would be made and more often than not followed.  

You gain more by leading by example than by pissing and moaning when legislation is targeted at us.  You say it is because we are small and easy to bully around, I say bullshit on that, it is because every asswipe that rips down a road in first gear at 9000 RPM with a D&D pipe, or every cruiser that sits at a red light next to some soccer mom revving the snot out of his bike brought these laws to us.  Every asswipe that wheelies down the highway brought this on and we are a riding group have done nothing to curb this behavior, quite the opposite, we encouraged it.

[thatguy]

I guess we must agree that we disagree. No need to bring on the sarcasm. It was a legitimate question.

[marc11]

I guess we must agree that we disagree. No need to bring on the sarcasm. It was a legitimate question.

Sorry yours read sarcastic to me.

[thatguy]

Fair 'nuff. Wasn't my intention. I'm anti-government anyway so I'll be against everything. Workers of the world untie!!!!!!!!!!!

[onedollarjuana]

Every asswipe that wheelies down the highway brought this on and we are a riding group have done nothing to curb this behavior, quite the opposite, we encouraged it.

Absolutely!  Peer pressure is the only sure way to curb objectionable behavior.

[Dan K]

Won't this just increase modifcations of existing pipes?  You can yank the insides of a stock exhasut, remiving baffles and cat, but it will still have the stamp...  ??

- Dan

Oh, and I am against crazy loud pipes that set of car alarms from over 100 feet away...

[Kraz]

Absolutely!  Peer pressure is the only sure way to curb objectionable behavior.

The people who are into wheelies in public ride with others who like that stuff for the most part anyway.  Do what you can, I'm not saying you shouldn't, but it won't go far.  I'm for chasing down asshole pipers and givin' them a piece of your mind.

And oh yeah, I'm against car alarms that I can year over 100 feet away.  I'm woken or bothered by alarms more often than pipes.

[DogBoy]

Absolutely!  Peer pressure is the only sure way to curb objectionable behavior.

If I remember correctly from high school, peer pressure only creates more objectionable behavior.  

[Tar Snake]

Maybe the DMV should make it mandator for those guys to sit thru the south park episode about their cool pipes maybe they would get the hint, seeing its a cartoon and all.

That was funny thanks, you watch the whole episode from the link. I like that they go BAWAWAWA when they talk. until then I'd never actually seen an entire South Park.

Not sure how I feel about the law, surprised only by how long it's taken to get to this point. I thought it would have been here sooner and in reality I think in the past if a cop really knew his stuff he could tack on a fix it if you couldn't prove (via the stamp) that you had an EPA compliant exhaust?

All my bikes since ~1990 I've always ran the stock pipes anyway.

Growing up my parents probably instilled a little more consciousness about noise and how it affects others because we lived in apartment buildings that my parents owned. We didn't have to be silent, but my Dad had much more leverage with a loud tenant if his kids weren't being maniacs all day.

Once bikes are quieted down I say we go after annoying neighborhood dogs next! I live in a condo complex that sounds like a pound at some points if a dog being walked sets off all the other ones on the block. I often think "what were you people thinking?!" keeping huge dogs on small patios.

[paddy_crow]

Once bikes are quieted down I say we go after annoying neighborhood dogs next! I live in a condo complex that sounds like a pound at some points if a dog being walked sets off all the other ones on the block. I often think "what were you people thinking?!" keeping huge dogs on small patios.

There are already laws on the books to address this. Just call the police and register a barking dog complaint.