B.C. speeders risk losing vehicles

[bubba zanetti]

Tough laws. When I rode from Hope to the ferry about a week ago. I would say conservatively that about 50% of the drivers from Hope to Chilliwak were going at least 40 over the posted limit.  It was actually a bit stressful due to heavy traffic but if you did not keep up, it would have been alot worse.  Anyhoo ... this kicks in Sept 20th.


From CBC ...

B.C. speeders risk losing vehicles

Drivers caught speeding excessively in British Columbia will soon risk having their cars impounded for the offence.

Starting Sept. 20, drivers caught going more than 40 km/h over the posted speed limit will have their vehicle impounded for seven days, the provincial government announced Thursday.

"Excessive speed is often a death sentence," said B.C. Solicitor General Mike de Jong. "We want to save lives by going after the kind of driver who drives significantly and dangerously over the posted speed limit, and then get them off the road."

A driver caught committing the same speeding offence a second time will lose the vehicle for 30 days.

The penalty will be 60 days for drivers who are caught for a third time or more within a two-year period.
Additional penalties

Impoundment will be in addition to existing penalties, which include:

    * A fine of $368 to $483, depending on how excessive the speed.
    * Three penalty points on the driver's licence.
    * An ICBC driver-risk premium of $320 a year for three years, over and above regular insurance premiums.

Street racers will also affected by the rule change. Under the new provisions, both drivers deemed to be involved in street racing will face minimum seven-day impoundments.

Street racing previously had a minimum impoundment period of 48 hours.

Additionally, the Motor Vehicle Act now makes careless acts such as excessive tailgating, and reckless driving actions such as wheelies and doughnuts subject to a seven-day impoundment, de Jong said.


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/09/02/bc-speeding-impoundment.html

[Sputnik]

It may be time for a "Destination Highways: Saskatchewan" edition?  

[Counter Steer]

In the USA that would be going 25 mph over the speed limit. In the US that would be doing 40 mph in a 15 mph school zone, 50 in a 25, 60 in a 35, 75 in a 50, 95 on the 70 mph freeways.

[Mrs. DantesDame]

It seems only reasonable that going 40 kmph over the speed limit would be heavily punishible. I never really felt the need to go more than 20-25 over. And I have a feeling that enforcement will be much heavier between Chiliwack/Hope, etc, than on Hwy 6  

[KLRchickie]

It is the fact that they'll impound on the spot that I find to be the problem here.  So much for the "innocent until proven guilty" statement.

I agree - 40 over is excessive.  However, I do *not* agree that speeding is the worst possible crime a driver/rider can commit.

[schmii]

Many of the highways have a speed of 50-60mph.

75-85mph is then excessive nearly anywhere in BC with a $2000+ fine and the impound.

[ajf]

Many of the highways have a speed of 50-60mph.

75-85mph is then excessive nearly anywhere in BC with a $2000+ fine and the impound.

It's worse than that.  There's no interesting roads I know of with a speed limit of 100 (62 mph).  Very few are 90 (55mph).  Half of DH1 (north of Creston) is 60 km/hr, and I can't keep my average speed below 100 on that road.  Same for the twistiest parts of DH3 (Duffy Lake Road).  My favorite road, DH5 (31a west of Kaslo) is 80, and the sweepers on the east half just cry out for 120 - 130.

On the CBR I don't think this will slow me down in the corners much - might as well sell the sport bike if I have to do that - but I think I'll be accelerating into and braking out of corners a lot.  (Now I really want the weather forecast to improve soon so I can take my fall CBR/Vette  trip to Nakusp before the law comes into effect.)

When I'm in BC on the FJR (without the tow car as a backup if the CBR is impounded) I think I'll have to slow down a fair bit.  And, no more blasts up to 140 to pass a line of cars.

I use a radar detector all the time, and my last speeding ticket was in 1983, so maybe I'm overreacting.  But it's not just the numbers in the new law.  It's the fact that a cop who takes a dislike to my riding style can impound my vehicle on evidence that wouldn't hold up in court.  It's likely I'll aim most of my tours into the US because of this.

[Mrs. DantesDame]

It's likely I'll aim most of my tours into the US because of this.

 

And I always tried to tour in BC! The number of police I see on the roads north of the border is infinitesimal compared to the States. And the one ticket I got while riding in BC? Half as much as a WA ticket, discounted if I paid within a certain time and with the exchange rate at the time, it was even cheaper!. Plus, insurance doesn't know what kind of trouble I cause up there  

[5nines]

It may be time for a "Destination Highways: Saskatchewan" edition?  

DH 1 Sk                                    A---------------------------------------------------------------------B

[bubba zanetti]

It's worse than that.  There's no interesting roads ...  It's likely I'll aim most of my tours into the US because of this.

Spread the word ajf !!!  ... good of you to sacrifice yourself, as well.

[blkhrt81]

Wouldn't be so bad if speed limits were more realistic to start with. Seems to me the Trans Canada through Golden- Revelstoke is 90 km/h. On the ST, 130 doesn't seem excessive and indeed, last time I came through I met two RCMP cars that just flashed me and didn't bother coming after me. On the Coquhilla (sic?) I was cruising at 145 km/h and got passed, most traffic other than trucks was doing around 140.

[motrhead]

RANT ON:
 Personally I think it's a load 'O' crap.  Cars and bikes are 200% better than when the limit was 60mph...safety nazis and do-gooders will have us doing 50kmh everywhere before you know it. I have more than a few million k under my belt and pretty much all of them were over the limit...sometimes way over (not in trucks though). Not one close call from anything speed related...ever! If you want to save lives, ban left turns  
 Besides which, just how is a wheelie or donut endangering anyone enough to warrant impounding a vehicle? All it will ever endanger is the rider. I can't believe you guys taking this lying down. Now honestly, how many of you haven't whacked it open past 160k to pass a couple of cars in the last few weeks. If you said no, I don't believe you. I'm doing 40k over most days at some point, and I am not even close to being dangerous...to me that's the right way to get a pass over with, quickly and safely.
 This has me so pissed off!
 I meet semis going that fast all the time, and when is the last time you ever saw a semi pulled over getting a ticket? Put a 95 kmh limit on trucks with an impound for 10 km over if you want to see lives saved, especially on the Number 1 through Rogers Pass. Or mandatory spray skirts and fenders on semis like in parts of Europe...I can't count the times I have been blinded by a passing semi...how many people end up upside down in a ditch, without the truck driver noticing...oh, driver error, ran off the road...I've even been passed by a Greyhound while doing 80mph myself...
 I've got a better idea, how about a real frickin' driver's test instead of handing out licenses like they hand out Watchtower magazines? Skid pad anyone, like they do in Europe? Stop Albertan cars and trucks at the border and make 'em take a bus (I can't count the number of times I have had an Albertan pass me on a blind corner in the East Kootenays...always Albertans). If they enforced tail gating rules in Vancouver, yes, they would prevent most of the accidents, but  that's a city mindset everywhere, not just Vancouver (remember Ewan getting rear-ended in Calgary after making through all the rest of the world unscathed).
 When I am on the Coquihalla, and there isn't another vehicle in sight, I am over 140...hell, I've done the entire Merritt-Kamloops over 160 in my car, and met only a handful of cars while doing so...there are no corners to speak of even at that speed)! Our cars, bikes and tires are so much better now than when the Coquihalla was opened. Most of our vehicles are designed to operate comfortably at the much higher speeds of Europe, but no, our safety Nazi bureaucrats (NDP leftovers) know what is best for us...
 Really, we have such a big province, we need all the speed we can get.
  Around here, almost all the bike crashes are cars taking out bikes at intersections, or inexperienced Harley riders losing it in a low speed corner. I can only remember one or two actual cases this year, of guys overcooking it from speed, and  those cases are always in corners, and probably not that much over the actual limit (60k corner "posted, or suggested" at more like 120 on a 90 or 100k road).
 The Coquihalla could be unlimited like the Autobahn, and you probably wouldn't have any more accidents in the summer -now the winter is a different story...it wouldn't matter how low you set the limit in the winter-people would still crash.
 Meanwhile, every time they pave, they take away more passing zones that we need, with the increase of slow moving motor homes in the last few years. The latest roadwork cost us three passing zones on one 20km stretch near here.  No wonder drivers get pissed off and speed when there is an opening.
 Now let's talk about the habits of the RCMP...there is a 60 kmh zone in front of my place and when they aren't following someone, every one of them is over 100kmh, all the time. I've followed a ghost car into Van from Hope at well over 140kmh by staying a few cars behind (must have been 5 or 6 of us) all the way to downtown. Meanwhile...their pathetic few hours of high speed driver training are supposed to make them experts and make it okay for them to tell us we are driving too fast? Many of them are too useless to keep a car in their own lane on a dirt road, let alone on a skiff of snow, to be trusted any more than a novice driver (yes, I have met the same female RCMP officer on the wrong side of the road FOUR times over one local road...not a word of a lie). I could tell you some funny stories about their "prowess" with their handguns (personally witnessed, and from a close acquaintance that is an auxiliary...it's a joke), but that's not a story for here...they have no business judging the public, sorry. My bro got a ticket for doing about 1 or 2 k under the limit wehn there was a skiff of snow- not yet sticking- and because he had a radar detector he got a ticket, and it stuck in court.  B.S.!
 Dangerous driving is not the same thing as speeding. At 5:00AM when I won't meet one car on the 50km Richter Pass, why should anyone care if I am 40k or 60k over?  No one is in danger.
 BTW trucks on the Coq are routinely around 140km...I've been passed by them.
 F*&%( this makes me mad.
 FYI...never ever been stopped on a bike for anything...last ticket was probably fifteen years ago (car), maybe three ever(car). Yes I was more than 40k over yesterday, and I will be tomorrow...but I never go more than 3 or 4 kmh over in a speed zone (anything less than highway speed), or in town.
 

[Bug R]

BC welcome to Ontario  

[Sputnik]

Motrhead, nice rant!  You forgot RANT OFF.
 

[motrhead]

LOL...sorry

[GTS_Rider]

Motrhead, nice rant!  You forgot RANT OFF.
 

+1

Damn Brutha Motrhead, you're off the hook!  

The big hookup in California is over 100 mph, so I've adapted to that, and only run up to 150 or so on the really rare roads that I'm sure no cops are on. So, I took that philosophy up to Canada with me for the Borsht meet. I ran the same 'keep it (barely) under 100 mph' mentality through all the great roads I ran up there (not sure how that translates to kph, but for sure over 40 over almost everywhere). For me, not one single RCMP encounter while I was railing it on the prefered moto-roads. I encourage you to rail against these new penalties, but it doesn't scare me away from going to Canada again. After all, I made it through Oregon/Washington unscathed...  

 

[bubba zanetti]

LOL...sorry

snerk.  Good rant  lol

[Kootenanny]

It seems only reasonable that going 40 kmph over the speed limit would be heavily punishible. I never really felt the need to go more than 20-25 over. And I have a feeling that enforcement will be much heavier between Chiliwack/Hope, etc, than on Hwy 6  

I disagree on both points; although I don't regularly travel at 40 km/hr over the limit, there are times when doing so is advisable: specifically, during some passes.  And although you'd think that the #1 through the Fraser Valley would be more heavily patrolled, due to the far, far heavier volume of traffic on that road, the truth is that if you're not travelling significantly over the limit on that highway, you'll get run down--and you'd have to be doing at least 60 over before the police would notice you; on the other hand, we're easy pickin's on the #6, because it's far easier to pull over a single vehicle when there is no other traffic around.  I've received tickets on #6 at barely over 120 km/hr; I'm in the Fraser Valley as I type this, and I've been driving the #1 into the city every day at well over 120 (until I hit the traffic around Langley, and have to slow to a crawl) and haven't even seen a cop (except for the one in her private car who passed me this morning going far faster than I was).

I agree with pretty much everything Motrhead is saying in his rant, too.  These new rules are ridiculous--they wouldn't be if speed limits in BC were reasonable, but it seems they're set for octogenarians from Alberta driving Class A motorhomes.  It's virtually impossible to drive on the highway in BC without either speeding or falling asleep...

[iguana]

I wonder how Montana's accident stats compare to BC's. 25 mph (40 kph) over posted seems about right - for average traffic flow.

Oh, wait... this ain't about science or safety. It's about revenue enhancement. Got it...

I wonder if we can talk The Zalm into spearheading another recall campaign? Let's liberate our roads. Give 'em back to the people and let them be used as God and Phil Gaglardi intended. These wonderful twisties we've got all over this province of ours? Well, nobody else in Canada's got 'em like we do and its a shame, a downright shame that this government wants to pick your wallet if you like to have a little fun every now and then. The folks in the legislature need to get out more and mix with the little people, and that includes driving through the Kootenays every now and then. And the premier? This is just another example of his arrogant disrespect for us common folk. I tell you right now, we, the people of this great province have had enough. We're gonna collect two million signatures and drive 'em up to Victoria, doing donuts all the way through downtown, dumping those those boxes on the lawn after a big, smoky burnout. Woe unto any MLA that doesn't come along for the ride. Woohoo!

And while we're at it, were gonna require the cops to stop any vehicle with red licence plate letters at the border and make 'em pass a driving test that make sure they can turn corners. Properly. 40 kmh over. Without the use of brakes. Motorcycles excepted. They don't turn, they lean.

[ToadRide]

Kinda glad my Hyper Days are over. These days I like to watch all the cars piling up behind me. Right Murial? Eh?  

[bubba zanetti]

... as God and Phil Gaglardi intended.

 

Phlying Phil  ... you date yourself ... and consequently .... me !!    

[blkhrt81]

I agree with pretty much everything Motrhead is saying in his rant, too.  These new rules are ridiculous--they wouldn't be if speed limits in BC were reasonable, but it seems they're set for octogenarians from Alberta driving Class A motorhomes.  It's virtually impossible to drive on the highway in BC without either speeding or falling asleep...

Interestingly enough, as one of those Class A driving Albertans (though not an octogenarian yet) the speed limits aren't too far out. The idea though that a 36' motorhome and an R1 have the same speed limits seems to defy logic.

[iguana]

 

Phlying Phil  ... you date yourself ... and consequently .... me !!    

Not necessarily me . He resigned before I was born. I just grew up hearing my dad telling the tales...

[iguana]

Interestingly enough, as one of those Class A driving Albertans (though not an octogenarian yet) the speed limits aren't too far out. The idea though that a 36' motorhome and an R1 have the same speed limits seems to defy logic.

Have to agree with you. Though not an Albertan, I've driven motorhomes from 24' to 36', and felt that the posted limits were about right ... through the corners ... for a motorhome. Or maybe an unrestored 1962 Buick with the original shocks. Otherwise, anywhere from just silly to pathetically ridiculous, depending on the vehicle I was driving. So why is everybody not driving a motorhome or a fully-loaded semi being punished?

[rayian]

Well I live in Alberta and I'd say that 40 over is about right on most roads in B.C. and Alberta.

[Kootenanny]

For years, there has been a slogan: "Speed Kills."  What BS.  First off, it's not speed that kills-it's the sudden stop!  The problem isn't speed itself, it's loss of control at speed; it is quite possible to ride/drive at speed in a reasonable and safe manner.

[bandit1250]

It seems the nanny disease is spreading from Ontario across the country. We will need to change the words to O'Canada to take out any reference to being free. A wheelie in Ontario or being 50 over will cost your vehicle and lcense for a week and a minimum fine of $2500.

Scotty, beam me up, there's no intelligent life here.

[omnivore]

Ontario's is worse. Not only do you loose your ride, but your licence too for 7 days.
And not just from speeding.
Squeal your tires-That's street racing.
Wheelie/ stoppie- that's street racing
Accelerate too fast, by officer's judgement-that's street racing
lane change too many times- that's street racing.
The list goes on and on, and most of it is up to the officer's discretion. And a yr or so later when you actually get your day in court, if you beat the charges and are found not guilty of any indiscretion, you get none of your costs  incurred from having your car towed and impounded ($1000-$1500), legal representaion fees (minimum $500), and increased insurance rates for yrs from having your licence suspended, even though you are not guilty.

Tyranny.

[Baz]

Is their anything resembling fun your liberals could take away left to takeaway?  

Next thing you know they will be taxing BC bud.

[blkhrt81]

Sad to say, we get the government the majority wants. Something tragic happens and there are calls for the police and the government to do "something". So they look around and do "something", knowing full well that it maybe be essentially pointless but also knowing that to do "nothing" is unacceptable to enough voters that it threatens their position.
Until there is enough of a movement telling them to back away, we will just see more and more intrusive legislation.

[coho]

Sad to say, we get the government the majority wants. Something tragic happens and there are calls for the police and the government to do "something". So they look around and do "something", knowing full well that it maybe be essentially pointless but also knowing that to do "nothing" is unacceptable to enough voters that it threatens their position.
Until there is enough of a movement telling them to back away, we will just see more and more intrusive legislation.

True.
Sad.
Well said.
(In no particular order.)

[Galo]

In -what is it, Bubba -600 km from Castlegar to Lumby and back (correct me if I am wrong on the distance) on 6 and other roads, that whooooole Saturday we saw one LEO - who threw on all his lights when he saw us approaching at extremely illegal speeds.
 

One officer in 600 km...methinks the odds still favor the sporting riders!
 

[ToadRide]

Every year, going to Bubba's events I've noticed the lack of LEOs Jim tells me they are out there so I guess I have just been lucky. Then again, my 100mph+ days are pretty well over.

[bubba zanetti]

Oh, they are out there. Don't ask how I know this.  

Riding 20 over does not seem to cause the Mounties concern. They may give the lights or even a warning but that seems to be the allowable limit.

The gps tells me that at an indicated 125 I am travelling 117kmh.  That is a sweet spot for the bike and I seem to find that speed easily.

I had the gps (new one for me) on a recent trip.  When I go out to pass I don't stare at the speedo but pay attention to the road and vehicle being passed etc.  It is often surprising the speeds one hits. The gps records the highest speed, which in my case was 170kmh at some point on the trip.  That speed is concerning given these new laws as it would land me in the pokey probably.

I have asked a few RCMP about this passing dilemma, particularly as I see a trend lately of people being passed speeding up dramatically.  One officer said it did not matter that the only the terminal velocity mattered. The other officer gave me some chat about safe passing, conditions etc.  Either way one is at their mercy.  I always expedite my passes particularly if another rider is following.  I may have to revisit that given these new laws.

[schmii]

Ontario's is worse. Not only do you loose your ride, but your licence too for 7 days.
And not just from speeding.
Squeal your tires-That's street racing.
Wheelie/ stoppie- that's street racing
Accelerate too fast, by officer's judgement-that's street racing
lane change too many times- that's street racing.
The list goes on and on, and most of it is up to the officer's discretion. And a yr or so later when you actually get your day in court, if you beat the charges and are found not guilty of any indiscretion, you get none of your costs  incurred from having your car towed and impounded ($1000-$1500), legal representaion fees (minimum $500), and increased insurance rates for yrs from having your licence suspended, even though you are not guilty.

Tyranny.

Don't forget they added the stunting and racing provisions awhile ago.  I think the latest laws allow sheriffs to act as judge jury and prosecution at the side of the road to shut you down.

A couple bikes accelerating quickly from a stoplight can shut you down, driving slow or tailgating can shut you down, standing on the pegs done, any tire leaving the pavement is applicable, tires purposefully losing traction same thing.

They added a drinking limit of 0.05 (less than one drink for some) that takes the vehicle away and shuts you down.

Bill C-14 racing and stunting:

"race" means circumstances in which, taking into account the condition of the highway, traffic, visibility and weather, the driver or operator of a motor vehicle is driving or operating the motor vehicle without reasonable consideration for other persons using the highway or in a manner that may cause harm to an individual by doing any of the following:

(a) outdistancing or attempting to outdistance one or more other motor vehicles;

(b) preventing or attempting to prevent one or more other motor vehicles from passing;

(c) driving at excessive speed in order to arrive at or attempt to arrive at a given destination ahead of one or more other motor vehicles;

"stunt" means circumstances in which, taking into account the condition of the highway, traffic, visibility and weather, the driver or operator of a motor vehicle is driving or operating the motor vehicle without reasonable consideration for other persons using the highway or in a manner that is likely to cause harm to an individual or likely to distract, startle or interfere with users of the highway by doing any of the following:

(a) causing any or all of the motor vehicle's tires to lift from the road surface;

(b) causing the motor vehicle to lose traction while turning the motor vehicle;

(c) driving the motor vehicle in a manner to cause the motor vehicle to spin;

(d) driving the motor vehicle in a lane intended for oncoming traffic for longer than necessary to pass another vehicle;

(e) slowing or stopping the motor vehicle in a manner that prevents other motor vehicles from passing or in a manner that blocks or impedes other motor vehicles;

(f) without justification, driving as close as possible to another motor vehicle, a pedestrian, or a fixed object.

[whipper]

Motorhead took the words out of my mouth!! I agree 100% with everything you said to a tee. This law is no more than a money grab. Its a law made by Cambell who is drunk all the time and takes limos every were. Is not far at all. Cops speed all the time and they are not the best drivers. Its also the 7 day impound that's gots me fuming!! I would loose my job! If I got caught a second offence in two years I would have to claim bankruptcy and it would destroy my family!! My kids sports futures would be ruined. Its so hard to keep under the 40K over were roads designed to make money are. i mean we have a road in PG that is a known speed trap. Its 5 miles of 50K 4 lanes and no traffic and its a hwy. At 5am the cops are there waiting for people to do 52K and 100 is to slow for that stretch let me say. What a farce!! I was driving in this province when it was MPH. All as they did for some roads was change the 60mph to 60KPH. Really they did that at several places. There wasn't a problem when it was 60mph but now knowing people cant go that slow the RCMP made more money. That's all this is!! Money for ICBC ,Judges,Lawyers,Governments and the RCPM. It suppresses the pastion of driving for drivers. As said The cars and bikes are getting faster and better all the time. The worst drivers Ive seen are the slow ones! If your in a hurry late for an appointment or your kid is injured or something and you go over man what are you supposed to do relie on someone else to be there. 7 days for the first then 10000.00 bucks and 60days for the second!!! That would kill me. I would be better off trying to run from the cops and take my chances because the outcome getting could would ruin my life. They must think everyone is rich and has an extra 1000 bucks or 10000 bucks just laying around to give away? I say we gather arms and fight for the laws to to be put back the way it was. This is Communism at work and we shouldn't stand for it. At least let it go to a referendum. The HST forced down our throats now this and the new drinking and driving laws. Gun Laws!! Ma oh man we arnt aloud to be human any more just puppets! Sorry for the spelling and thanks for the rant. I have had it with this govt!! While the laws for drug dealers is more lenient than driving 40k over the posted speed limit Help!!! We need a revolution!!!

[chomy]

Motorhead took the words out of my mouth!! I agree 100% with everything you said to a tee. This law is no more than a money grab. Its a law made by Cambell who is drunk all the time and takes limos every were. Is not far at all. Cops speed all the time and they are not the best drivers. Its also the 7 day impound that's gots me fuming!! I would loose my job! If I got caught a second offence in two years I would have to claim bankruptcy and it would destroy my family!! My kids sports futures would be ruined. Its so hard to keep under the 40K over were roads designed to make money are. i mean we have a road in PG that is a known speed trap. Its 5 miles of 50K 4 lanes and no traffic and its a hwy. At 5am the cops are there waiting for people to do 52K and 100 is to slow for that stretch let me say. What a farce!! I was driving in this province when it was MPH. All as they did for some roads was change the 60mph to 60KPH. Really they did that at several places. There wasn't a problem when it was 60mph but now knowing people cant go that slow the RCMP made more money. That's all this is!! Money for ICBC ,Judges,Lawyers,Governments and the RCPM. It suppresses the pastion of driving for drivers. As said The cars and bikes are getting faster and better all the time. The worst drivers Ive seen are the slow ones! If your in a hurry late for an appointment or your kid is injured or something and you go over man what are you supposed to do relie on someone else to be there. 7 days for the first then 10000.00 bucks and 60days for the second!!! That would kill me. I would be better off trying to run from the cops and take my chances because the outcome getting could would ruin my life. They must think everyone is rich and has an extra 1000 bucks or 10000 bucks just laying around to give away? I say we gather arms and fight for the laws to to be put back the way it was. This is Communism at work and we shouldn't stand for it. At least let it go to a referendum. The HST forced down our throats now this and the new drinking and driving laws. Gun Laws!! Ma oh man we arnt aloud to be human any more just puppets! Sorry for the spelling and thanks for the rant. I have had it with this govt!! While the laws for drug dealers is more lenient than driving 40k over the posted speed limit Help!!! We need a revolution!!!

First post and its a rant of epic proportions, welcome aboard and good luck with the fishing.

[Thunderbox]

It is the fact that they'll impound on the spot that I find to be the problem here.  So much for the "innocent until proven guilty" statement.

I agree - 40 over is excessive.  However, I do *not* agree that speeding is the worst possible crime a driver/rider can commit.

40 over may be excesive in a 50 kph zone but on the highway where the limit is 100, 40 over is not driving like a madman.

[KLRchickie]

40 over may be excesive in a 50 kph zone but on the highway where the limit is 100, 40 over is not driving like a madman.

Well, one could argue that it is still excessive, but I do happen to agree that it should NOT be considered a horrible, terrible thing to do.  I liked Kootenanny's discourse on "speed responsibly".  (Was that this thread or another )


It is the fact that you're guilty from the get-go, on some cop's say-so, that really pisses me off.....

[Scoop]

BC welcome to Ontario  

Exactly, one of the reasons that my bike vacations are almost always in the US.  We are so subject to extremism in laws related to driving.  Between the "racing" law and the extreme alcohol laws, it's best to get the hell out of Dodge.  Not that I'm condoning driving drunk, but Ontario is so far to the other extreme that drivers who are more "impaired" (read texting, eating, taking one hand off the wheel, looking at scantily clad women) have no similar consequences.  It's gone too far.

[Ipassu?]

DH 1 Sk                                    A---------------------------------------------------------------------B

  I love it and  make it gravel, boy I love the dust.

[birdrunner]

Bump,

Anyone have any experience with the new law?

[blkhrt81]

Heard there were 256 vehicles in the impound yard in Golden

[ST1300Rider]

Bump,

Anyone have any experience with the new law?

Just the usual "friend of a friend/guy at work's girlfriend" stuff. I would have thought with the number of BC members here there would have been some direct experience. There was mention in the one thread that blkhrt81 referenced, can't remember the title of it.

[bubba zanetti]

Just a reminder that 40 KILOMETRES PER HOUR is 8 MILES PER HOUR.

IF I were you ... I would stay away from BC this summer.

YOU are WARNED !!!!!

[PatM]

Just a reminder that 40 KILOMETRES PER HOUR is 8 MILES PER HOUR.

IF I were you ... I would stay away from BC this summer.

YOU are WARNED !!!!!

 

[blkhrt81]

Two days ago I was blasting through Croatia at 130 in the SLOW lane and getting passed lots. So, are Euroeans allowed to go faster because they are better, or are they better because they go faster?
Why is 130 realistic in European mountains but not Canadian?

The story about the impound was from a young lady I know in Red Deer. she was clocked at the bottom of a hill and impounded on the way to her grandads funeral. She plans to fight the ticket but there is no recourse to the impound. Seems to me, if the ticket doesn't stand up, the crown should be liable for costs of recovery, lost wages etc. but as far as I have heard, that is not the case.

[ST1300Rider]

Two days ago I was blasting through Croatia at 130 in the SLOW lane and getting passed lots. So, are Euroeans allowed to go faster because they are better, or are they better because they go faster?

In my limited experience, the drivers in Europe generally are superior to their North American counterparts. Mainly in attitude. Many times I'd find myself coming up on the vehicle in front of me only to have the driver establish eye contact, nod and move slightly to the right. They knew I was there knew I was going to pass and they made it as safe as possible for all concerned. I never felt threatened by traffic when I was on a motorcycle there. They also understand the mechanics of going fast, increased buffers, situation awareness, better cornering skills etc. My perception anyway.

[Mrs. DantesDame]

Just a reminder that 40 KILOMETRES PER HOUR is 8 MILES PER HOUR.

IF I were you ... I would stay away from BC this summer.

YOU are WARNED !!!!!

Math was never your strong suit, was it?  

[birdrunner]

Math was never your strong suit, was it?  

He works in the Social "Sciences" in that liberal utopia B.C. where they believe  Tax +Tax = Happiness.   If they started teaching math, nothing would make sense.  


Or he's sneaky smart.


....... naaaaaah.

[Mrs. DantesDame]

Two days ago I was blasting through Croatia at 130 in the SLOW lane and getting passed lots. So, are Euroeans allowed to go faster because they are better, or are they better because they go faster?
Why is 130 realistic in European mountains but not Canadian?

I think that not only are the better drivers, but they are more thoughtful drivers.

While visiting my friend in Germany last month I asked her how one goes about getting a driver's license. Damn! No wonder she was jealous that I had mine at age 16!

First there is the coursework. You attend ten 2-hour classes that teach nothing but the theory of driving. I wish I had more detail on what goes on in these classes, but regardless, that's 20 hours of "rules of the road" type training - without even getting near a car.

Then you pay for lessons. These are not provided by the state, but you go to private driving schools - and yes, I meant to pluralize that. She mentioned at least four different lessons that you have to take: driving in rural areas, driving in cities, driving on the autobahn and parking. Each lesson puts you in a car with a teacher and takes you to the actual location type, not just cones in a parking lot. I don't know how much they cost, but I doubt that they're cheap.

So now you've done your coursework and lessons and you're ready to take the official test. Hand over $2,000 Euros    just to take the test. (She mentioned that kids start saving for this at a very young age, just because it is so expensive). She then mentioned that about 30% of test takers fail    In order to take the test again, you must first take more lessons ($$) and then pay $2,000 EU again to retake the test.  

And that's not all. Say you just got your license (there's a sort of 6 month "probation" period) and dash through a yellow light. If you're caught, you lose your license and you go back to square one. Fines beyond the probation period are heavy and severe. I was amazed at how well-behaved the drivers were, but rightfully so.


Yes, they take driving VERY seriously over there. I wouldn't mind a little of that instruction over here

[birdrunner]

I think that not only are the better drivers, but they are more thoughtful drivers.

While visiting my friend in Germany last month I asked her how one goes about getting a driver's license. Damn! No wonder she was jealous that I had mine at age 16!

First there is the coursework. You attend ten 2-hour classes that teach nothing but the theory of driving. I wish I had more detail on what goes on in these classes, but regardless, that's 20 hours of "rules of the road" type training - without even getting near a car.

Then you pay for lessons. These are not provided by the state, but you go to private driving schools - and yes, I meant to pluralize that. She mentioned at least four different lessons that you have to take: driving in rural areas, driving in cities, driving on the autobahn and parking. Each lesson puts you in a car with a teacher and takes you to the actual location type, not just cones in a parking lot. I don't know how much they cost, but I doubt that they're cheap.

So now you've done your coursework and lessons and you're ready to take the official test. Hand over $2,000 Euros    just to take the test. (She mentioned that kids start saving for this at a very young age, just because it is so expensive). She then mentioned that about 30% of test takers fail    In order to take the test again, you must first take more lessons ($$) and then pay $2,000 EU again to retake the test.  

And that's not all. Say you just got your license (there's a sort of 6 month "probation" period) and dash through a yellow light. If you're caught, you lose your license and you go back to square one. Fines beyond the probation period are heavy and severe. I was amazed at how well-behaved the drivers were, but rightfully so.


Yes, they take driving VERY seriously over there. I wouldn't mind a little of that instruction over here

Yup,  over there driving is a PRIVILAGE, and an expensive one at that.

My cousins figure that's one of the reasons incidence of drunk driving is so low;  Any idiot 14 yr old can go get drunk  (and most have), by the time they're 18, it's out of their system.   Getting a license is a BIG deal,  getting drunk is what "little pukes" do.   btw,  it's ok to be drinking in a car while in Holland,  but the driver must have ZERO alcohol in him, Zero tolerance.


Getting that level of instruction here, or waiting till you're 18 wouldn't go over well here with the parents who are sick and tired of driving their kids all over,  especially those that don't have a safe public transportation system.

[alphabet man]

If people would realize and understand that the  motorcycling experience is more than just speed this topic would go away  
I love my bikes and riding but riding fast isn't the only reason to be out there

[birdrunner]

If people would realize and understand that the  motorcycling experience is more than just speed this topic would go away  
I love my bikes and riding but riding fast isn't the only reason to be out there

That's like saying "Size isn't everything".

Is that what the Mrs. tells you 'cause the only people who say that are those that  uh,  "Come up short".  





Damnit,  why am I always picking of poor ABC,  he doesn't deserve it, he's a great guy
 who happens to have several of the toys I lust for .....      THAT explains it, never mind.

[ST1300Rider]

Just a reminder that 40 KILOMETRES PER HOUR is 8 MILES PER HOUR.

IF I were you ... I would stay away from BC this summer.

YOU are WARNED !!!!!

Too late youngster. There's about 200 oldish guys on ST11/1300 and assorted other heavy metal headed to Nelson the end of June..... But then we always obey the speed limit.  

[alphabet man]

That's like saying "Size isn't everything".

Is that what the Mrs. tells you 'cause the only people who say that are those that  uh,  "Come up short".  





Damnit,  why am I always picking of poor ABC,  he doesn't deserve it, he's a great guy
 who happens to have several of the toys I lust for .....      THAT explains it, never mind.

 Speed is a relative thing though     I will continue to toddle along at my regular pace enjoying all the sights sounds and smells around me, and when you catch up I can describe them to you    

[Croak]

I saw what you did there.  

[bubba zanetti]

 Speed is a relative thing though     I will continue to toddle along at my regular pace enjoying all the sights sounds and smells around me, and when you catch up I can describe them to you    

 

[bubba zanetti]

Too late youngster.

Every now and then, if you could call me that ... I would really appreciate it.  

[Orson]

While visiting my friend in Germany last month I asked her how one goes about getting a driver's license. Damn! No wonder she was jealous that I had mine at age 16!

60 Minutes did a segment a few years ago on getting a fishing license in Germany and it sounded just like you described.

They have to sit through biology courses to learn all the scientific stuff about fishes  

and getting caught fishing without a license is a sizable offense.

[birdrunner]

 Speed is a relative thing though     I will continue to toddle along at my regular pace enjoying all the sights sounds and smells around me, and when you catch up I can describe them to you    

Oh,  Touche.