BMW K1600GT and GTL Unveiled

[UFO]

BMW has unveiled their new 6 cylinder, high tech tourers.

PRESS RELEASE:

The new K 1600 GT and K 1600 GTL

The Most Sophisticated Touring Bikes of All Time
BMW K 1600 GT and BMW K 1600 GTL – fascination with six cylinders.

Ever since BMW Motorrad presented the concept study Concept 6 in autumn 2009, the new 6-cylinder in-line engine installed in it has caught the imagination of many motorcycle fans. For over seven decades now, 6-cylinder in-line engines have stood for fascinating engine technology in automobiles at BMW more than with any other brand. With the new K 1600 GT and K 1600 GTL, BMW motorcycles are now available for the first time with a 6-cylinder in-line power unit developed in-house. The two touring motorcycles have a supreme, impressive and equally distinctive appearance, creating a desire to travel at first sight.Riding dynamics, long-distance suitability and comfort.

For decades, 6-cylinder in-line engines have exercised a special fascination. In addition to their perfect running smoothness they also offer supreme output and torque, giving the rider powerful emotional impressions.

In addition to safety, equipment and comfort, prestige and dynamic performance are the key criteria for a supreme touring bike. With the most compact in-line 6-cylinder engine in serial motorcycle production to date, the K 1600 GT and the K 1600 GTL penetrate a whole new dimension in terms of riding properties, long-distance suitability and comfort. They combine maximum agility and riding dynamics with a luxurious overall package. With an engine output of 118 kW (160 bhp) and a maximum torque of 175 Newton metres (129 Lb. ft.), their 6-cylinder engine provides superb propulsion in all conditions.

Lightest and most compact serial production 6-cylinder in-line engine in a motorcycle > 1000 cc.Previously, the in-line arrangement of six cylinders resulted in either very long or very wide constructions, depending on the installation position, which led to drawbacks in terms of chassis geometry, weight distribution and centre of gravity. This where the K 1600 GT and K 1600 GTL break new ground.

Weighing 226 pounds, the engine is by far the lightest serially produced 6-cylinder in-line engine for motorcycles in the class > 1000 cc. What is more, the engine is significantly narrower in construction width than all other 6-cylinder in-line motorcycles in serial production to date. This extremely compact construction and reduced width was achieved in particular by means of a cylinder bore of 72 millimetres in conjunction with a spacing of just 5 millimetres between the cylinder the cylinder sleeves.

Both the low engine weight and the consistent lightweight construction of the vehicle as a whole contribute to the low weight of the vehicle. At 703 lbs. (K 1600 GT without panniers) and 767 lbs. (K 1600 GTL with panniers and topcase) the new touring bikes are in the lower range of the segment.

Three modes to choose from and DTC (Dynamic Traction Control) for maximum safety when accelerating.The rider of the K 1600 models has three different engine characteristics directly available at the press of a button at the right-hand end of the handlebars so as to be able to adapt to different uses such as touring on the road, riding on wet surfaces and sporty, dynamic motorcycling - the modes "Rain", "Road" and "Dynamic". Available as a factory option, the traction control function DTC is combined individually with the different modes, fully harmonised with them so as to provide maximum riding safety.E-gas.

The control of the central throttle valve with a diameter of 52 millimetres is effected via an e-gas, also known as a ride-by-wire system. The rider's wishes are registered by means of a sensor in the accelerator twist grip. The engine control then adjusts the position of the throttle valve accordingly.Chassis with ideal mass concentration for dynamic riding properties.

The essential chassis elements of the BMW K 1600 GT and K 1600 GTL are the light alloy bridge-type frame, and the Duolever and Paralever for wheel control at front and rear. Because of the special requirements of a touring bike with a 6-cylinder engine, particular attention was paid to balancing the masses.

All in all, the interplay of chassis and engine position, together with the seating position of the rider, not only makes for a low overall centre of gravity with a very favourable concentration of masses, it also provides an ideally balanced wheel load distribution for excellent riding properties. The combination of ride stability, riding dynamics and lightness of handling in all riding and load conditions sets a new benchmark in the touring bike segment.

Electronic Suspension Adjustment ESA II for optimum adaptation to all uses and load states.The new 6-cylinder touring bikes also benefit from the innovative Electronic Suspension Adjustment II (ESA II), which is offered as a factory option.

With this system, globally unique on the motorcycle market, the rider can conveniently press a button to electronically adapt not only the rebound damping properties of the front and rear spring strut but also the spring rest ("spring preload") of the rear spring strut as well as the latter's spring rate and therefore the "hardness" of the suspension. This makes for outstanding stability and impressive responsiveness in all load states.

The additional adaptation of the spring rate allows the damping settings "Sport, Normal, Comfort" to be spread widely in ESA II, giving them clearly perceptible characteristics during riding. So in "Sport" mode, the K 1600 GT and K 1600 GTL are even more dynamic and precise and in "Comfort" mode they are more comfortable - while still retaining excellent stability.

Adaptive headlight - a world first for increased safety at night.With the new BMW Motorrad touring bikes, the first ever "Adaptive Headlight" in the motorcycle sector is available as a factory option as a supplement to the standard xenon headlamp. In addition to standard pitch compensation, the light of the main headlamp is also balanced in relation to banking angle. This produces significantly improved illumination of the road when cornering and therefore an enormous increase in active riding safety.

Integrated operating concept with Multi-Controller, TFT color screen and menu guidance.The instrument panel of the K 1600 models comprises two classic circular instruments for the speedometer and tachometer and a 5.7-inch TFT color display. The design of the information display is also completely new in the motorcycle field. Among other things, it enables the attractive presentation of text and graphics over several lines.

Another world first is the Multi-Controller as part of an integrated operating concept, first introduced in the BMW R 1200 RT at the end of 2009. In addition to audio system control, the K 1600 models also have a menu for operating the comfort functions and on-board computer.

Innovative design with outstanding wind and weather protection.Particular attention was paid during development to the combination of innovative design, optimum wind and weather protection and the very highest level of functionality. A very good example of this is the electrically adjustable windshield with memory function.

The bike's aerodynamic qualities in terms of reduced air swirl - especially in the pillion passenger area - were developed in sophisticated wind tunnel tests. But the windshield not only protects the rider and pillion passenger: it automatically returns to the starting position when the ignition is switched off, acting as an anti-theft system for the optionally available navigation system.

BMW K 1600 GT with active riding ergonomics for proactive touring.The design of the ergonomic triangle from the position of the footrests, seat top and handlebars makes for a highly proactive seating position in the K 1600 GT, while still retaining a high level of long-distance comfort. The rider and pillion passenger enjoy a comfortable knee angle but the seating position is geared towards the front wheel for a dynamic riding style. The seat is height-adjustable in the rider area so that it can be adapted to individual needs.

The K 1600 GT is has a very extensive range of standard features consisting of xenon headlamps, heated grips and seat, cruise control and on-board computer. In conjunction with the supreme riding qualities of the new BMW Motorrad 6-cylinder engine, this motorcycle leaves nothing to be desired as far as the proactive touring rider is concerned.

BMW K 1600 GTL with very comfortable, relaxed ergonomics set-up for long trips with pillion passenger.The luxurious touring bike BMW K 1600 GTL meets the very highest demands. Rider and pillion passenger benefit from the very relaxed, upright seating position as is especially appreciated over long distances. The ergonomic design is geared towards maximum comfort and derives from a single-section, dual level seat in conjunction with rider footrests which are further forward and lower, as well as handlebars which reach further backwards. The standard topcase rounds off the range of comfort features for the pillion passenger.Like the K 1600 GT, the K 1600 GTL has a very extensive range of standard features consisting of xenon headlamps, heated grips and seat, cruise control and on-board computer. The overall impression of the fascinating 6-cylinder motorcycle in combination with a carefully conceived storage concept, a standard audio system and numerous design elements make the BMW K 1600 GTL the flagship model among the BMW Motorrad touring bikes.

Individual paint finish concepts adapted to the character of each bike.As touring bikes, the new BMW K 1600 GT and K 1600 GTL stand for a perfect synthesis of supremacy, dynamic performance and comfort. This is also reflected in the coloring of the two models.In the K 1600 GT, the body colors of Light Grey metallic and Vermilion Red metallic create a fascinating contrast with the frame and wheels in Ostra Grey and the engine in Platinum metallic matt. The coloring especially highlights the bike's technical components. The lines are concentrated and give the motorcycle a marked sense of agility.

With its emphasis on comfort and equipment, the K 1600 GTL has a powerful presence and elegance with elongated lines. This was achieved by means of a harmonious interaction between body colors and the coloring of the engine and chassis components. Here, Mineral Silver metallic or Royal Blue metallic 2 provide a perfect match for the Magnesium metallic matt of the painted frame and wheels. The engine in Platinum metallic matt ensures an appealing overall impression.

An overview of highlights of the BMW K 1600 GT/ K 1600 GTL:* Supreme in-line 6-cylinder engine with a high level of pulling power, especially in the lower and medium engine speed range.

* Engine output 118 kW (160 bhp) at 7,750rpm and maximum torque 175 Nm (129 Lb. ft.) at 5,250 rpm.

* Over 70 per cent of the maximum torque is already available from 1,500 rpm.

* The lightest and most compact 6-cylinder in-line engine in serial motorcycle production > 1000 cc weighing just 126 lbs. and measuring 555 mm in width.

* Consistent lightweight construction throughout the entire vehicle (magnesium front panel carrier, aluminum rear frame, crankshaft etc.).

* E-Gas.

* Three modes to choose from ("Rain", "Road", "Dynamic")

* High active safety due to standard BMW Motorrad Integral ABS (part integral).

* Dynamic traction control DTC (Dynamic Traction Control) for maximum safety when accelerating (optional extra).

* Chassis with Duolever and Paralever and ideal mass concentration for dynamic riding properties combined with optimum comfort.

* Electronic Suspension Adjustment ESA II for optimum adaptation to all uses and load states (optional extra).

* World premiere in a motorcycle: Adaptive Headlight (optional extra) for increased safety at night in conjunction with standard xenon headlamp and fibre optic rings.

* Integrated operating concept with Multi-Controller, TFT color display and menu guidance for the first time.

* Audio system with preparation for navigation device and controllable interface for iPod, MP3, USB, Bluetooth and satellite radio (USA and Canada only) (standard in the K 1600 GTL).

* Innovative design with outstanding wind and weather protection.

* K 1600 GT with active riding ergonomics for proactive touring.

* K 1600 GTL with a very comfortable, relaxed ergonomics set-up for long trips with pillion passenger as well as luxurious touring equipment.

* Central locking for storage compartments, panniers and topcase (optional extra).

* Extensive fittings and individually tailored accessories at the familiar high level of BMW Motorrad.  BMW K 1600 GT and BMW K 1600 GTL – fascination with six cylinders.

[antvq]

Lots of cool stuff on the bikes, but reading that was painful.  It's like it was translated from German to Japanese and then to English.  

767 pounds huh?  That's only 100 less than Goldwing territory.  County will have a field day  

[chornbe]

Pretty bike.

That's a heavy bike, to be sure, but lots of the heavier machines carry the weight pretty low. If that's typical ST top-heavy, that could get downright scary. Hopefully that's not the case.

I can't wait to get eyes on one, and maybe score a test ride.  

[UFO]

Thing sounds like a jet.

767 curb weight or dry?  That's only about 300 lbs heavier (2 humans, or 1 biggest loser) than the MTS.

[Mac]

There appears to be nothing visually different about the two, at least nothing I can see.

They are very beautiful though, if the price is in the mid 20s I think they'll sell many of them.

[jeepinbanditrider]

And people say Americans have an obsession with power  

That engine sure does sit WAY down there in the frame.

[Lon]

Lots of cool stuff on the bikes, but reading that was painful.  It's like it was translated from German to Japanese and then to English.  

767 pounds huh?  That's only 100 less than Goldwing territory.  County will have a field day  

... but the GT (not GTL) is 707, which is lighter than a ST1300.

[Lon]

There appears to be nothing visually different about the two, at least nothing I can see.

The GTL's seat looks more dished for both rider and passenger and is probably higher density foam or gel.

The GTL has a top case with apparently a very thick backrest with small wings for the passenger.

GTL's windshield is slightly taller.

Controls reach back slightly farther (?) hard to tell.

In-dash GPS on the GTL (?)

[atadaskew]

... but the GT (not GTL) is 707, which is lighter than a ST1300.

Measured w/o bags.  And are these wet or dry weights?  The wet weight of a Wing is 895lbs.  I had one, the flat 6 motor made it very easy to move around, no top heavy feeling at all.

Anyone know if the K16 has a reverse gear? I loved that feature on my Wing.  When your bike weighs over 500lbs and you need to back up even a slight incline, it get's tough...

[falconati]

Sweet - an expensive FJR!  

[UFO]

Sweet - an expensive FJR!  

shush county!

[1KPerDay]

Thing sounds like a jet.

Sounds like George Jetson's car.

[UFO]

   That's awesome.

[hobbes]

That was the most boring promo video ever. It sounds awful. C'mon BMW, OPEN THE THROTTLE!

[atadaskew]

That was the most boring promo video ever. It sounds awful. C'mon BMW, OPEN THE THROTTLE!

What's the point of the 160hp if they're only using 30 of it?

I guess I don't get the point of these mega tourers.  This bike weighs 'about' 250lbs more than my St4s, and yet has the same luggage and passenger capacity.
Sure it has a shaft drive, butt so does a R12Gs or Rt which both weigh about 200lbs less.
Unless you're planning on spending the majority of the time cruising at 150mph on the 'bahn, what's the point?
Is it worth dealing with all that extra lard just to be able to execute an overtake w/o having to downshift?

[Sarchi]

The bags look puny in those pics.

[Max Wedge]

How long until the D&D cans are available?  

[Lawn Dart]

What's the point of the 160hp if they're only using 30 of it?

I guess I don't get the point of these mega tourers.  This bike weighs 'about' 250lbs more than my St4s, and yet has the same luggage and passenger capacity.
Sure it has a shaft drive, butt so does a R12Gs or Rt which both weigh about 200lbs less.
Unless you're planning on spending the majority of the time cruising at 150mph on the 'bahn, what's the point?
Is it worth dealing with all that extra lard just to be able to execute an overtake w/o having to downshift?

The vision of something like this is very simple:  loooong distances in maximum comfort - highway burner.  Effortless passing, low RPM's on the highway, sickeningly smooth I'm betting.  I'm sure you can get reasonably jiggy on it for being a 760# beast - look at YellowWolf's work on a GWing.  

As another point about "understanding the bike", don't let your S.O. sit on the back ever...

I do understand the point of them.  In fact, the point is perfectly clear.

Doesn't mean I'm ready to own one.

[spd2918]

The vision of something like this is very simple:  loooong distances in maximum comfort - highway burner.  Effortless passing, low RPM's on the highway, sickeningly smooth I'm betting.  I'm sure you can get reasonably jiggy on it for being a 760# beast - look at YellowWolf's work on a GWing.  

As another point about "understanding the bike", don't let your S.O. sit on the back ever...

I do understand the point of them.  In fact, the point is perfectly clear.

Doesn't mean I'm ready to own one.

Sounds like my 7 year old ST1300A.  They are about $6,000 lightly used, or about as much as the sales tax plus the first final drive failure on the UberBeemer.

















 

[atadaskew]

Sounds like my 7 year old ST1300A.  

Thing is, it even 'sounds' like the St13.

I actually like that jet turbine/jetson sound.  Sounds 'futuristic' to me..
Anyway, I do like the BMW 16, butt if it doesn't have the reverse gear, then I'd prefer the R12..

[Rincewind]

Anyway, I do like the BMW 16, butt if it doesn't have the reverse gear, then I'd prefer the R12..

Yes I'm afraid if it doesn't have a reverse gear, it will not convert Gold Wing riders, particularly ones that use trailers.  It seems like a small thing, but it's not.  

[Mr Sunshine]

This is their replacement to the LT model.  I would love to have the GTL for two up touring.  It'd put the Wife in comfort.

[three west]

well I like the body work, I like the instrumentation, I really like the lighting (both headlight and led signals)

I really don't care for the GT having the same dash as the GTL with big plugs for speaker holes...

I always wished my K12GT had something better than the weak LCD screen, and LED lighting is pretty cool too

[maddjack]

Nice looking, lets face it , WE STNer's are not (For the most part) the target audience of this machine, its more Gold Wing, I still want a Voyager XIII crowd IMHO. Its BIG. But a 6  would have to be big, the old Honda CBX was BIG in its day.I'd still like to demo one, but I am so Over BIG

[atadaskew]

Yes I'm afraid if it doesn't have a reverse gear, it will not convert Gold Wing riders, particularly ones that use trailers.  It seems like a small thing, but it's not.  

A shame because I have no idea how anyone can back up a 700+ lb bike on a slight incline w/o some help.

[Andrew]

A shame because I have no idea how anyone can back up a 700+ lb bike on a slight incline w/o some help.

Maybe I am wrong but wouldn't one think to back the bike down to the stop so one could ride out

[ride200mi]

Yikes... over 700 lbs..... But I find it is one of the best looking bikes they have produced. Next to the R1200RT....

[STJoe]

May be a problem for the short of leg, but pulling an up hill turn and let it roll back into the parking spot is easy one or two up, and quickly becomes habit.  I really doubt the lack of reverse will hinder sales if these units are as good as they look.  

The current Wing design is getting a bit long in the tooth.  If this bike raises the bar and is competitively priced, given Honda's current ineptitude, BMW is going to pickup a big chunk of a market share.

[Nevada]

A shame because I have no idea how anyone can back up a 700+ lb bike on a slight incline w/o some help.

Slight incline?  I do it all the time on my ST1300.  Well, not "all the time", because I do try to avoid doing it, but I've done it many times, including with a trailer.  (That's when I really try to avoid it.)  Of course, I am 6' tall and flatfoot the bike with the seat in the highest position, which makes it much easier for me.

How do I avoid it?  Either by pulling through a parking space (which I try to do no matter what I'm riding/driving), or by backing into it, just like STJoe says, even two up.

[maddjack]

When I had touring motorcycles , I backed it in all the time , no reverse needed, it just takes practice.  I always pulled so the rear was down hill and just pulled out. NBD, as long as you take your time,I did it for 20++ years

[Lawn Dart]

Just because I LIKE sounding like a broken record...

Give me that motor in an ST format (ie:  550# wet) and I'm sold.  Hell, just shoehorn it into the current K13S design and I'll make due with the ergo's.  

I need the motor.  I want a Six.  It's gotta happen.  

[maddjack]

Just because I LIKE sounding like a broken record...

Give me that motor in an ST format (ie:  550# wet) and I'm sold.  Hell, just shoehorn it into the current K13S design and I'll make due with the ergo's.  

I need the motor.  I want a Six.  It's gotta happen.  

I am with you, a boat I do not need

[BBB]

Is the quoted weight of the K1600GT (319kg) the dry or wet weight?

Edit. A quick google search shows that that is the wet weight. That means it is 60kg heavier than the R1200RT. Or 132 pounds in old money. The power to weight ratio of the GT should be 0.5 bhp per kilo, compared to 0.42 for the RT, based on the wet weight.

[MisterSmooth]

...I do understand the point of them.  In fact, the point is perfectly clear.

Doesn't mean I'm ready to own one.

Exactly.  


These six cylinder machines are cool bikes.  Has BMW taken over the industry thinking that used to belong to Honda?  New tech everywhere, new models sprouting like dandelions in the spring, even the leading 1000cc sportbike.   Big thumbs up to BMW; for me, many of their new models leave me cold but I really appreciate that they are making some waves.  

[coho]

Das Koncours?

It seems to have what 'merkins like:
Power.  Lots of power.  More than is necessary for the task at hand.
It's expensive and therefore better, right?
It's Yurrupean, and everybody knows ze germans are all smart and stuff.

I suspect that bay-em-vay will sell more than a couple of these.




PS. What? No powered centerstand? WTF?  

[three west]

so it just struck me today, and I don't think I've seen anybody ask yet, but why does this thing have a K-bike designation?

shouldn't it be something new?

ok, so T-bike doesn't sound as cool....

[Geoff]

so it just struck me today, and I don't think I've seen anybody ask yet, but why does this thing have a K-bike designation?

shouldn't it be something new?

ok, so T-bike doesn't sound as cool....

The K bike designation should have ended when BMW stopped making the flying brick.

[DangerMoney]

This is their replacement to the LT model.  I would love to have the GTL for two up touring.  It'd put the Wife in comfort.

I was at Escondido BMW today for their Oktoberfest. I was chatting with one of the salesman and he said the K1600GT replaces both the K1300GT and the K1200LT. He thinks it will be available in the US late summer 2011... possibly as an early release 2012 model.

[fast2win]

This bike is awsome. Sure it expensive but so is every big touring bike. A Goldwing is over 900lbs real weight with fuel. Figure 730 ish w/o the top case. That darn light for class. If your looking for superlight tourer, go to the R/T. It sounds to me from the the inteview that this may be the sucessor to the curent K1300GT?  

[JamesG]

Very pretty, but 75% more bike than I need and I'm sure 200% more expensive than I would be willing to pay.

[Lawn Dart]

I was at Escondido BMW today for their Oktoberfest. I was chatting with one of the salesman and he said the K1600GT replaces both the K1300GT and the K1200LT. He thinks it will be available in the US late summer 2011... possibly as an early release 2012 model.

Oh man, if they are replacing the K13GT with it...could you imagine a K16S???  

I'd hit the fuck out of a K16S and I don't even like fast bikes!

[motrhead]

 From the front it's homely...
 So it's the same horsepower as the 1300, but something like 150 pounds heavier? Other than the sound (which I will admit is a big deal), what have we gained besides more complication? Oh well, at least the market will be flooded with used 1300s and I'll be able to afford one of those

[Lawn Dart]

 From the front it's homely...
 ...what have we gained besides more complication? ...

e
Torque.  

(To paraphrase Jeromy Clarkson) We've gained lots of Torques.  

[hig4s]

When I had touring motorcycles , I backed it in all the time , no reverse needed, it just takes practice.  I always pulled so the rear was down hill and just pulled out. NBD, as long as you take your time,I did it for 20++ years

First time you forget, in a slightly down hill parking spot in a gravel parking lot, the wait and embarrassment of having to go find someone to help you push it back cures you from doing it again.


The K1600 has a wheel base right between the ST1300 and the Goldwing.  long for a sport tourer, standard to a little short for full dress

Wheel base:

Honda ST1300 is 59in
FJR1300 is 61in
K1600GT/GTL 63in
Electra Glide 63in
K1200lt is 64in
Victory Vision 65in
Goldwing is 66in
Royal star is 67in

 

[atadaskew]

Maybe I am wrong but wouldn't one think to back the bike down to the stop so one could ride out

There are times when something happens, road ends etc where you just need to back it up on an incline.
Rest of the time of course you park it with the front of the bike on the up slope side.

[CGameProgrammer]

 From the front it's homely...
 So it's the same horsepower as the 1300, but something like 150 pounds heavier? Other than the sound (which I will admit is a big deal), what have we gained besides more complication? Oh well, at least the market will be flooded with used 1300s and I'll be able to afford one of those

It's 100 lbs heavier than the K1300GT with the same peak power and 30% more torque, but it'll likely be much faster real-world than the peak figures suggest. Also its lowest seat is a full two inches less than the K1300GT's low seat, let alone its normal seat. That sort of thing helps a lot.

[Geoff]

K1600GT 702 lbs.,  K1600GTL 766 lbs.

[motrhead]

e
Torque.  

(To paraphrase Jeromy Clarkson) We've gained lots of Torques.  

 I ride a 2 stroke...what the hell is that?

[motrhead]

It's 100 lbs heavier than the K1300GT with the same peak power and 30% more torque, but it'll likely be much faster real-world than the peak figures suggest. Also its lowest seat is a full two inches less than the K1300GT's low seat, let alone its normal seat. That sort of thing helps a lot.

 We'll see if it's much faster...I have my doubts. Torque has never really impressed me as far as making a motorcycle faster...you know if you don't have enough, but otherwise hp seems to do all the real work...at least for how I ride, since I don't live in a city.  As far as the seat goes, I just read a test claiming that with the standard 1300 seat on the low setting, a rider with 29 inch inseam was flat-footed (I'm around 32"), and there is still still the optional lower version, so that's not a big deal either.
 Obviously I'm not the target audience. If it had been 100 pounds lighter, and had actually increased horsepower over the 1300, I probably would have been impressed. Personally, I'm more interested in finding a used  K1300S with another 15 more hp than the six, and adding the bags...
 This new 1600 just looks like a behemoth to me, but BMW does have a knack for making the weight disappear. Guess I'll just have to wait until I ride one, to see if it lives up to the hype...I did always want a CBX (still do  ).

[eye.surgeon]

It's torque that give you a real world sense of speed...in increase in HP from the 1300 would result in a higher top end, which really isn't useful in NA. In the world we ride in, torque >> HP.

[hig4s]

1600 makes 122hp at 5000 rpms, 160 at 7500 rpms. with 70% of peak torque, 90ftlbs (peak is 129ftlbs) by 1500 rpms.

1300 makes 74 hp at 5000 rpms   137 at 7500 rpms and 160 at 9400 rpms.  70% of peak torque, 69ftlbs (peak is 99ftlbs) at 2500rpms

I would think in the real world the 6 would be impressive, just have to wait now to see how impressive the price will be?

[motrhead]

It's torque that give you a real world sense of speed...in increase in HP from the 1300 would result in a higher top end, which really isn't useful in NA. In the world we ride in, torque >> HP.

...maybe in the world you ride in torque is more important I don't use the lower rpm ranges, as much by force of habit as anything, so for me it isn't an issue. Like I said before, I'm not in a city. For those that want to ride like they are in an American car, it makes sense. Not really much sporty about that though; I would far rather downshift and hear the engine sing  

[motrhead]

1600 makes 122hp at 5000 rpms, 160 at 7500 rpms. with 70% of peak torque, 90ftlbs (peak is 129ftlbs) by 1500 rpms.

1300 makes 74 hp at 5000 rpms   137 at 7500 rpms and 160 at 9400 rpms.  70% of peak torque, 69ftlbs (peak is 99ftlbs) at 2500rpms

I would think in the real world the 6 would be impressive, just have to wait now to see how impressive the price will be?

 You won't catch me cranking on it below about 3000...but I'm sure it wll feel like a freight train if you do. Those are impressive torque numbers.  Still, I would like to to see a side by side performance comparison.

[UFO]

The 1600 generates impressive numbers, but there's mass to take in to consideration, and gearing compared to the 1300.  I'm sure it's quick as hell for a bigassed tourer.

Torque  = quickness (acceleration, rate of change of speed)
HP = speed

I would bet it's quick, but not particularly uber fast.

[Rincewind]

[motrhead]

 What is going on with that front end? There are lines and curves and divots and spaces going every which way...just like the VFR1200 and the V Strom...actually the BMW and Honda are making the V Strom look better than ever. What ever happened to smooth and clean styling? I expect better from BMW.  I think I'm part of their target audience at my age (45)?  Do other people my age really like this?

[DangerMoney]

 What is going on with that front end? There are lines and curves and divots and spaces going every which way...just like the VFR1200 and the V Strom...actually the BMW and Honda are making the V Strom look better than ever. What ever happened to smooth and clean styling? I expect better from BMW.  I think I'm part of their target audience at my age (45)?  Do other people my age really like this?

While styling is subjective, everyone I talked to hated this "smooth and clean styling", me included.




... and for me, this is not an improvement:






I like the K16GT much better.

[DangerMoney]

From today's San Diego BMW Motorcycles Newsletter:

The new K1600GT and K1600GTL is announced
At Intermot last week, in Germany, BMW pulled the curtain back on it's newest model, the K1600GTL and K1600GT. These are the replacements for the venerable K1200LT and sporty K1300GT. A 6-cylinder in-line engine will power this beauty. At the same time that it was shown in Germany, Jay Leno was introducing it to the United States at his own personal garage.

The bike will be arriving in the early part of 2011, and we are currently taking deposits. If you want to be riding the latest powerhouse in Luxury Touring, the K1600GTL is where you want your money to be!

[motrhead]

While styling is subjective, everyone I talked to hated this "smooth and clean styling", me included.



... and for me, this is not an improvement:


I like the K16GT much better.

 Well, you are talking to different people than me...    I like both of these much better...

[STJoe]

We're talking touring bike.   Touring bikes tend to be heavy, but consider that it is two hundred pounds lighter than the wing.   It has power and torque that should provide competitive, if not superior performance to that same class leader.  Both models will probably be expensive, but then Honda is selling pretty much every model at top dollar.

As for the styling, I like it.  

 




   

[hig4s]

but then Honda is selling pretty much every model at top dollar.

:

Actually they are not, even with the fact there are no 2011 Goldwings, many of the bigger dealers still have 2010 and earlier models for discount prices. Southern Honda in Chattanooga TN still has an 08 ABS version on the floor, priced at $18,800, $4500 less than original MSRP, almost $8000 less than 2010 MSRP.

And Lake Hill motors MS, has 2010 ABS wings for $22,000, $4500 less than MSRP.

[Fat Boy]

Thing sounds like a jet.

You sure that's not the final drive going bad?

[STJoe]

The economy being what it is, motorcycle sales are slow across the board.   But it has to be especially hard for Honda dealers.   The VFR and ST1100 once dominated the light and heavy sport touring segments.  

How does the Interceptor and ST1300 stack up against the competition today?

[DangerMoney]

At the same time that it was shown in Germany, Jay Leno was introducing it to the United States at his own personal garage.

[eye.surgeon]

That Jay Leno video was actually the most informative thing I've seen on the new bikes. I'm not thrilled about the new bulk of the GT as I preferred it more as a gentleman's sport bike rather than a German 'wing, and I've have two GTs, but I have to say that is a technological masterpiece of a bike. Looks hella expensive too. Makes me wonder if this bike isn't the wrong bike at the wrong time...I don't think I'm alone in having swapped my BMWs for a cheaper bike (V-Strom) because I wanted to ride for less $$$/year...I can afford the new 1600 but in this economy I think like many I would rather bank that cash and have fun playing on my strom at a quarter the cost to buy and maintain.

[Geoff]

....but in this economy I think like many I would rather bank that cash and have fun playing on my strom at a quarter the cost to buy and maintain.

I agree.

The K16 is nice, but the price of admission in today's economy is prohibitive. Given BMW's recent history of releasing new models with issues, I'd also rather wait and let the early adopters deal with the first release.  

[atadaskew]

That Jay Leno video was actually the most informative thing I've seen on the new bikes.

+1

It makes my old Wing 1800 look like a dinosaur.

I dig it.  When you have stuff like adaptable headlights, that's gonna add weight.
Posted on: October 14, 2010, 12:44:54 PM

but then Honda is selling pretty much every model at top dollar.
 

 

No really, is that what your Honda dealer told you?

Every Honda that I've bought new had been heavily discounted, even when the economy was booming.

[Bain Dramage]

Once again, BMW introduces the world's premiere touring bike.

This certainly isn't the bike for weekend riders who dream of going long distances; this is the bike for those who do go long distances.

I've been across the USA twice on my R 1200 RT, and I have made many "close to home" multi-state trips. As such, I can see where this would be a wonderful bike for tourers.

On the other hand, if I lived in a big city, and did mostly commuting riding with the occasional short trip (1,000 miles or less), this would not be the bike to own. The RT, ST, FJR, or Konnie would be a much better choice.

If I could afford this bike, I would buy it - but I cannot afford it. Still, I can see where it would make a terrific tourer on a trip like, oh - crossing the entire length of the trans-Canada highway...just for fun.  

[RodeRash]

How long until the D&D cans are available?  

D&D could make an electric bike sound obnoxious.

[st2sam]

D&D could make an electric bike sound obnoxious.

+1     I can't believe they are still in business!

[atadaskew]

On the other hand, if I lived in a big city, and did mostly commuting riding with the occasional short trip (1,000 miles or less), this would not be the bike to own. The RT, ST, FJR, or Konnie would be a much better choice.

Why?

[Bain Dramage]

More easily manuverable in dense traffic. Same reason the police use RT's, and ST's (and should use FJR's), but not bigger bikes - Harleys being one exception (tho an abberant one - Harleys are purchased for politcal/cultural reasons).

[CGameProgrammer]

Well the ST1300 weighs 719 lbs fully fueled with bags, only slightly lighter than the 740 or so the K1600GT with bags probably weighs.

[spd2918]

Harleys are purchased for politcal/cultural reasons.

   Thank you, sir.

[Bain Dramage]

Well the ST1300 weighs 719 lbs fully fueled with bags, only slightly lighter than the 740 or so the K1600GT with bags probably weighs.

Good point. It would be intersting to have an expert rider run one of these through a police motorcycle competition - see how it fares.

I have talked to officers who have ridden all the bikes - Harley, Kawasaki, Honda, BMW - and they like the BMW much more for traffic enforcement, because of the way it handles (due to light weight, low center of gravity, short wheelbase - factors that make it very nimble). I also know some who went from the Harley to the ST 1300 and comment about the world of difference (for the better) the ST is.

This 6-cyliner wonder from BMW is really more for touring though, and I think that being out on the open road is where it would really shine.  If open road is more your riding style, I believe this bike (the BJMW 1600) would be an excellent choice.

[atadaskew]

More easily manuverable in dense traffic. Same reason the police use RT's, and ST's (and should use FJR's), but not bigger bikes - Harleys being one exception (tho an abberant one - Harleys are purchased for politcal/cultural reasons).

So you've ridden the K16 and been able to compare it to the ST/FJR/C14?

[Bain Dramage]

So you've ridden the K16 and been able to compare it to the ST/FJR/C14?

Nope, and you know that, don't you?

I haven't driven a 40' diesel pusher either, but applying reason to the specs leads me to the conclusion that it would be less manuverable than a Honda Civic.

Experience and the specs leads me to my conclusions. Your opinions may differ.

[atadaskew]

Nope, and you know that, don't you?


Experience and the specs leads me to my conclusions. Your opinions may differ.

BMW claims the weight is very low in the chassis due to the motor placement, and it has a very low seat height.
So I think it's valid to question your statement as to how its handling compares to those other bikes, given no seat time.

[chief 06]

so it just struck me today, and I don't think I've seen anybody ask yet, but why does this thing have a K-bike designation?

shouldn't it be something new?

ok, so T-bike doesn't sound as cool....

Exactly!

What “K-bike”?

I would call it:

F-bike:     F1600 Fat Turismo…not that sounds cool!

[SilverHound]

When I had touring motorcycles , I backed it in all the time , no reverse needed, it just takes practice.  I always pulled so the rear was down hill and just pulled out. NBD, as long as you take your time,I did it for 20++ years

Have to agree that I don't think difficulty in backing up is going to be a real barrier to sales. I've had two 750 lb.+ bikes and never found myself in a situation where I needed a push.

This is the first bike that's caught my attention in quite a while. I'll never buy a first year model new of any bike but assuming it's everything they say it is (and doesn't have the exploding final drive option or any other major problems) I could envision the GTL in my garage especially if my wife decides to get back into 2 up riding with me.

Compared to the Victory Vision, Goldwing or anything HD makes, my first impressions are that BMW may have hit a home run in the luxury touring class. Me likey  

[atadaskew]

Compared to the Victory Vision, Goldwing or anything HD makes, my first impressions are that BMW may have hit a home run in the luxury touring class.

Actually Harley has been hitting home runs with it's luxury tourers for decades now.  They are (I think) their best seller. There's a reason why Victory and all the Japanese cruiser bagger bikes exist...

This BMW looks killer.  But it answers the luxury touring question from a different angle than does Harley.  It's the Honda Goldwing that has been blown out of the water by this.

[Rincewind]

The K1600GTL's theatrical debut is a monologue  



"Turkish baths"

[stevent]

Well, I for one need 4 stars! If I'm riding a BMW then I expect nothing but the best, if I wanted to stick to the sheets at some hourly rate dive I'd be riding a Honda....

[keepergale]

I see they used two"riders" in case they need to back up!

[stewm_21]

Yep, it's big and full of tech stuff but IF BMW follow the same pricing formula they used for the S1000RR at $13,900 US ($17,300 Can)to compete with other sport bike like say the Honda CBR at  $13,400 US ($16,300 Can) don't you think this new bike will fly out dealer's doors?

[plumber]

IMO this will be a $30k bike loaded. They are selling the SR1000 at a reasonable price to get a younger demographic riding their product. The K1600 line IMHO is for the decerning rider who just wants the best in field. Nobody buys an M5 because it's priced inexpensively.

[BobW]

I would agree with the price/M5 analogy as long as beta testing and overall poor quality control are not the aggravation of the last generation K's (mostly 1200's, but some early 1300's too). All these new bikes are offering some great tech, but they are getting to be such porcine dance partners too.


Cheers

[stewm_21]

Went to the Toronto Motorcycle show on the weekend, they are showing the K1600GT at $24,100 Canadian.  Damm it...
Honda Goldwing GL1800AL $29,999
Yamaha 1300 FJR $20,199
Kawasaki Concourse 1400 ABS $20,199

Well??

[bbk]

Went to the Toronto Motorcycle show on the weekend, they are showing the K1600GT at $24,100 Canadian.  Damm it...
Honda Goldwing GL1800AL $29,999
Yamaha 1300 FJR $20,199
Kawasaki Concourse 1400 ABS $20,199

Well??

Well - the US MSRP's are:

2010 Honda Goldwing GL1800 ABS: $26.599
2011 Yamaha 1300 FJR: $15.190
2011 Kawasaki Concourse 1400 ABS: $15.599

A BMW K1300GT in Canada is CAD $21.900. In US it's USD $19.150.

My guess is the K1600GT price will be around $21.500 here is the US. What's your guess?

[cruisin]

I'm guessing closer to 24K in the US.  It's a whole lotta bike with a whole lotta technology.

[stewm_21]

It's interesting that though the Canadian and American dollar are close to par and have been close for some time the cost difference is still ~$4000-5000 for the same bike.  That and the fact that in the southern states you can ride year round.  Makes a rider think about moving...

Sorry just noticed the same chat in the general discussion board

[mcrider007]

Well - the US MSRP's are:

2010 Yamaha 1300 FJR: $15.190

Fixed it for you.  

The MSRP on a 2011 FJR is $15,490.


Its hard to estimate the price of new BMW models because you cannot even find a "base" model for sale.  I think the MSRP of any K1600GT that you can actually find on a dealers floor will be at least $24,000.

[ConPilot1]

Damn, that is one beautiful touring bike.  

[ride200mi]

OK so we saw it at the Long Beach Show, and kinda like it, even my girlfriend likes it....
It seems to feel like the GT, but riding one will be the finial deal come true....

[ride200mi]

Fixed it for you.  

The MSRP on a 2011 FJR is $15,490.


Its hard to estimate the price of new BMW models because you cannot even find a "base" model for sale.  I think the MSRP of any K1600GT that you can actually find on a dealers floor will be at least $24,000.

BMW must be getting closer to a finial price. One of the reps at the show said most will be equiped the same and the price will be pretty close to $22K..... I'm thinking closer to $24K also.

[mcrider007]

BMW must be getting closer to a finial price. One of the reps at the show said most will be equiped the same and the price will be pretty close to $22K..... I'm thinking closer to $24K also.

I think the only question is whether the dealer's inflated freight and setup charges are included in the $24K or in addition to it.

[Robus]

It's an interesting bike.  I'd probably keep my RT for commuting, but I might consider buying one for longer rides.  However, after the disaster of the K1300GT which was discontinued after only two years, I would probably choose to wait a bit just to make sure the design is sound.

[ride200mi]

I think the only question is whether the dealer's inflated freight and setup charges are included in the $24K or in addition to it.

I agree, however the rep did mention that included freight and setup.... For the $22K.... We will see....

[mcrider007]

I agree, however the rep did mention that included freight and setup.... For the $22K.... We will see....

That would be a good price since the K1300GT with the premium package was about $22,600 before freight and setup.  I think the rep was mixing prices, quoting the price of a base model and then implying that all the bikes brought to the US are going to have numerous options at that price.

[jeepinbanditrider]

It's interesting that though the Canadian and American dollar are close to par and have been close for some time the cost difference is still ~$4000-5000 for the same bike.  That and the fact that in the southern states you can ride year round.  Makes a rider think about moving...

Sorry just noticed the same chat in the general discussion board

My first guess would be tax differences.  If I was a dealer or Manuf. I'd be passing the high taxes I pay down to the person buying the product.  One of the reasons why huge tax increases on businesses and business owners won't work, they'll simply pass the increase in tax cost down to the final product.

[Rogue]

Given the size and weight, wouldn't it be more fun to just drive an 135?  You can pass without a downshift on one too.  

[atadaskew]

 However, after the disaster of the K1300GT which was discontinued after only two years, I would probably choose to wait a bit just to make sure the design is sound.

?

Please explain.

[SLK50]

?

Please explain.

   Either he's pissed because he didn't buy one when he had the chance, or

he did buy one and now they're being closed-out for 33% less than he paid.

[Robus]

   Either he's pissed because he didn't buy one when he had the chance, or

he did buy one and now they're being closed-out for 33% less than he paid.

From what I have heard there have been mechanical problems, for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eH6F8bVi7g

I'm not sure why BMW discontinued the GT after only two years.  I did consider buying one but chose the RT instead.

[SLK50]

  I'm actually sorry to see the 1300 go.

  But, IF I could get the 1600 for about 10% more than a similarly
equipped 1300 the decision would be a no-brainer for me.

  Nothing matches the sound of an inline-six on the boil.  

[keepergale]

Man did you see the guy in the video crank up the already DOA K13GT and let it spew out the last of its oil. I guess he knew it was not going to be him paying for repairs.

[SLK50]

Man did you see the guy in the video crank up the already DOA K13GT and let it spew out the last of its oil. I guess he knew it was not going to be him paying for repairs.

  Catastrophic engine failures do occasionally occur. I've had two in the last 35 years.

  They are not mutually exclusive to BMW.

   

[BobW]

I think the problem is not the rare catastrophic failure, but the routine reports of "beta testing" or an entire model generations with the same type failure for several years. Too many alibi their favorite OEM when poor quality control, stone walling, apathy or ? from the Company should not be accepted, let alone defended, especially on a premium brand. With the manufacturing processes used/available today it is even less acceptable. Flip side is the good rumor that BMW is using less external sourcing and also will offer better support in warranty/good will situations. I don't have a problem if something breaks (per se) it is only when the Dealership/OEM experience makes the problem worse rather than making you feel like they're genuinely there to reasonably support their product.

BTW, I hope the new GT isn't too good, my bike addiction has always been there, but since I retired my wallet never seems to get put away and I don't need one of these, I don't need one of these, I don't need one of these........

[atadaskew]

 I don't have a problem if something breaks (per se) it is only when the Dealership/OEM experience makes the problem worse rather than making you feel like they're genuinely there to reasonably support their product.

I had issues with my Suzuki dealer and Suzuki when the frame cracked on my TL1000S.  This was a common occurence but they gave me the standard "never heard of that" routine, and then asked if I had taken the bike off road!

Apart from that one sweet jump, never did...
(j/k!)

Of course the next dealership one town over had three broken frames hanging in their work bay..

[mcrider007]

I agree, however the rep did mention that included freight and setup.... For the $22K.... We will see....

From another Forum:

Ride West BMW in Seattle have just published the prices on their Facebook Wall

K1600GT Base $20,900
K1600GT Fully Loaded(*) $24,540


K1600GTL Base $23,200
K1600GTL Fully Loaded(*) $25845

Base includes Xenon Headlight,heated grips,heated seat,cruise,ABS,Power Windshield and LED turn signals
Fully loaded in the context of these bikes includes above plus Bluetooth Audio,GPS,ESA,TPM,Adaptive Headlight,alarm,Fog Lights etc


Looks like the K1600GT Base with freight and setup will be about 22K, add $3640 for a fully loaded model.  I doubt you will be able to find a Base model on a showroom floor unless it is a special order.

[Rincewind]

From another Forum:

Ride West BMW in Seattle have just published the prices on their Facebook Wall

K1600GT Base $20,900
K1600GT Fully Loaded(*) $24,540


K1600GTL Base $23,200
K1600GTL Fully Loaded(*) $25845

Base includes Xenon Headlight,heated grips,heated seat,cruise,ABS,Power Windshield and LED turn signals
Fully loaded in the context of these bikes includes above plus Bluetooth Audio,GPS,ESA,TPM,Adaptive Headlight,alarm,Fog Lights etc


Looks like the K1600GT Base with freight and setup will be about 22K, add $3640 for a fully loaded model.  I doubt you will be able to find a Base model on a showroom floor unless it is a special order.

Those base prices have been confirmed on the BMW site.  Yes, that's a lot of money for a motorcycle, but it seems an extremely competitive price next to the Gold Wings which start at $22,899 and go all the way to $27,999 with all the trimmings.  To get the Gold Wing model with built-in satellite radio, it appears to be $25,399 - whereas the BMW comes standard with that, plus Bluetooth!

My local dealer says they will start getting the K1600's in March.  

[Geoff]

Neither BMW nor the K1600GT was to be found at the Chicagi IMS show last weekend. It's all smoke in mirrors.

[miles]

Here's the pricing, courtesy of our local dealer:

Actual pricing for the first 2012 K1600 GTL's which are totally loaded is $26,340.  That's every option including the GTL Safety Package, and the GTL Luxury Package, so radio, alarm with remote locking, TPM, ASC, fog lights, everything. So $23,200 base + $995 Safety Package + $1,650 GTL Luxury Package + $495 factory destination charge = $26,340

The 2012 K1600GT will be $25,035 and will also be loaded, Audio package (standard on the GTL), Safety Package and GT Luxury package.  The GT Luxury package does not seem to include the fog lights, otherwise everything, radio, alarm with remote locking , TPM, ASC, everything.  The difference seems to be the price of top case which is standard, and mounted slightly further back on the GTL.  So,  $20,900 base + $1,395 Audio Package + $995 Safety Package + $1,250 GT Luxury Package + $495 factory destination charge = $25,035

[Geoff]

Here's the pricing, courtesy of our local dealer:

Actual pricing for the first 2012 K1600 GTL's which are totally loaded is $26,340.  That's every option including the GTL Safety Package, and the GTL Luxury Package, so radio, alarm with remote locking, TPM, ASC, fog lights, everything. So $23,200 base + $995 Safety Package + $1,650 GTL Luxury Package + $495 factory destination charge = $26,340

The 2012 K1600GT will be $25,035 and will also be loaded, Audio package (standard on the GTL), Safety Package and GT Luxury package.  The GT Luxury package does not seem to include the fog lights, otherwise everything, radio, alarm with remote locking , TPM, ASC, everything.  The difference seems to be the price of top case which is standard, and mounted slightly further back on the GTL.  So,  $20,900 base + $1,395 Audio Package + $995 Safety Package + $1,250 GT Luxury Package + $495 factory destination charge = $25,035

At these crazy prices it's no wonder BMW skipped the Chicago IMS show.  

I forsee a spike in FJR and Concours 14 sales.  

[SLK50]

At these crazy prices it's no wonder BMW skipped the Chicago IMS show.  

I forsee a spike in FJR and Concours 14 sales.  

  Then you will be surprised to find out BMW's pre-order program surpassed expectations
and the end date had to be moved up so orders wouldn't exceed production.

  Even if it isn't the world's greatest motorcycle its nice to see some fresh ideas
pumped into this otherwise stale market segment.

[Geoff]

  Then you will be surprised to find out BMW's pre-order program surpassed expectations
and the end date had to be moved up so orders wouldn't exceed production.

  Even if it isn't the world's greatest motorcycle its nice to see some fresh ideas
pumped into this otherwise stale market segment.

Good for BMW. Perhaps they'll make enough money to attend next year's Chicago IMS show.

[miles]

BMW's North American sales were up 21% last year, in a time when overall motorcycle sales in the US and Canada were down nearly 50%.  Clearly they are doing something better than the rest of the field is.

[atadaskew]

The top Gwings cost more, offer much much less.  Basically the same bike that came out in 2001.
These new BMWs ARE very well priced, seeing their competition costs the same if not more - Gwing, Victory Vision, loaded Eglides.