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« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2010, 08:10:54 PM »


Why is that sad?  Headscratch

I'll never understand the hatred and the seemingly "cool" anti-Harley sentiment.

Gosh... other people like them. Why is that a crime?

I really, seriously don't get it.



So how many times have you pulled up in a parking lot at a bar (yes, I like  bar food) or somewhere and had a pirate ask "Why don't you ride a real motorcycle?"  It's hardly a grudge on my part, and certainly far from hatred.  C'mon, bashing is just for fun.  Seriously, I'd buy their stock before I'd buy one of their bikes, but if my one leg was shorter than the other, I'd ride one too.  
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« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2010, 09:55:17 PM »

CNBC had a very interesting stat out today: of all companies already reporting earnings for their last fiscal quarter (July 1st thru September 30th for most of those companies) fully 81% had reported earnings higher than analyst's estimates -beat forecasts, if you will.  Revenue is another matter altogether.....less than 20% had beat on the revenue side.

Simply put, earnings > forecasts are coming from increased productivity, efficiency and lower payrolls (COS). Unemployment at 9.6% be damned.....companies are still making LOTS of money....
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« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2010, 10:31:50 PM »


CNBC had a very interesting stat out today: of all companies already reporting earnings for their last fiscal quarter (July 1st thru September 30th for most of those companies) fully 81% had reported earnings higher than analyst's estimates -beat forecasts, if you will.  Revenue is another matter altogether.....less than 20% had beat on the revenue side.

Simply put, earnings > forecasts are coming from increased productivity, efficiency and lower payrolls (COS). Unemployment at 9.6% be damned.....companies are still making LOTS of money....


Unfortunately in all cases, unless you have increased sales activity, things do start to look bad to shareholders.

The general consensus at Wall street is that everyone has cut to the bone, and unless you start to see growth through increased sales, you will hit a brick wall. You can only cut so deep. Most companies are not reporting any great near term insights.

The wall street analysts are all saying now that unless we start to see big improvements in the Job market, the market will not bode well in the next while. Not in North America at least.

GM for instance reported great sales in the last quarter, but if you dig deep the money folks all find that if you remove the lost leader sales (brands they have discontinued, and sold at reduced prices) and included the fact they had to throw in larger discounts than every other car company to get things off the lot, their real sales picture does not look as rosy as reported.

I suspect the last Harley quarter had a lot of similar accounting magic placed into it as someone has already suggested.

With a reported combined 20% unemployment or under employment rate, I would not look for any bright spots in the next couple of years for anyone making toys.



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« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2010, 02:32:48 AM »


... Harley is also doing well since they jammed a new contract down the worker's throats here in Milwaukee.  Any new employee at HD in Milwaukee makes half of what someone hired just a few years ago.  A two tiered work force makes for the company pushing out employess who make more, and letting the lower wage employees get away with anything....  


GM just did the same thing.  My company (a GE supplier for flight and engine controls) just did the same thing.  "Multi-skilled" used to be the highest paid job title in the plant because they could do any job there.  Now, EVERYBODY is multi-skilled but gets paid less than half of a former "Multi-skilled" job classification.  Cheap labor is abundant overseas and to be competitive the American worker has had to accept less money than they were making 10 years ago.  Even Union jobs (Harley, GM, my company, etc...) don't pay as much any more.
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« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2010, 06:55:19 AM »



I would not look for any bright spots in the next couple of years for anyone making toys.



So, is the answer for the American motorcycle market to evolve to be more like Europe and Asia, where motorcycles are not as much toys, as they are cost effective means of transportation?
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