MCN reports that FJR's record has been eclipsed....

[Snowbird]

...by the Ducati Multistrada 1200S.

Previously, the longest stopping distance for an ABS equipped motorcycle was the 2006 FJR, with a distance of 144 feet from 60 mph.

But, on p. 13 of the Sept. 2010 issue, they report that the ABS Ducati Multistrada 1200S' best stop from 60 mph was 158 feet, with some stops taking even longer... as much as 164 feet.

And, no, it wasn't a fluke, they repeated the test on another Ducati Multistrada 1200S.

Well done, Ducati.  

[Justin]

Just curious, how do they both do with ABS turned off?

[Smoker]

 

[evilted]

That the ABS sucks isn't news.  I hadn't seen it compared to any other sucky ABS setups though, so I guess that was new.

I have a "new" map on my bike that is supposed to fix the poor fueling from 3k-4k, but I'm not sure if it's the one they're talking about below. I'll see if I can get details next time I bring it to the dealer for something.  No problems stopping in the dry yet -- brakes seem typically Brembo good.

http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/10/ducati-refines-2011-multistrada-1200/

"2011 models will feature updated fuel mapping and ABS electronics. Forum posts on the web have been quick to criticize a rough running glitch at low revs and also long stopping distances in the dry, thanks to an overly aggressive ABS system. New pannier latches for better sealing will also be a welcome addition. A new center stand for less intrusion when riding means you can go that much harder before it grounds!

In a move likely to please all current Multistrada 1200 owners, the software and bag latches will be offered to MY2010 owners as a no-cost upgrade."

[marc11]

  Then don't buy a #%#^%$ %^^&* Multistrada, or ride with the ABS off, or buy an older YZF600R....who cares?  Sometimes I wonder if the STN moto should be "The site for rehashing the same old crap every other day in case you missed it".

[maddjack]

Oh no an ABS thread  

[Windblown]

It's a Ducati. Brilliant in many ways, a PITA in others. Anyone buying ANY Ducati and not expecting to have some  issues didn't do due diligence.

As for your ABS crusade... I guess everyone needs a hobby.  

[county]

I like ABS, best technological improvement for a motorcycle since handlebars

[Scoop]

  Then don't buy a #%#^%$ %^^&* Multistrada, or ride with the ABS off, or buy an older YZF600R....who cares?  Sometimes I wonder if the STN moto should be "The site for rehashing the same old crap every other day in case you missed it".

Nooo....that's the moto for the whole fookin' interweb.

[atadaskew]

Does MCN have any data on how the ABS brakes on the Harleys work?  Those Brembos are meant to be pretty good.

[chornbe]

  Then don't buy a #%#^%$ %^^&* Multistrada, or ride with the ABS off, or buy an older YZF600R....who cares?  Sometimes I wonder if the STN moto should be "The site for rehashing the same old crap every other day in case you missed it".

That's what Experts do.

[DogBoy]

 "The site for rehashing the same old crap every other day in case you missed it".

 

Brilliant. That should one of the rotating slogans in the header.

[UFO]

Was the test done on grass?

[bubba zanetti]

Constant rain and roads smeared with a non-stop residue from a diet heavily reliant on chish and fips.

[Snowbird]

Was the test done on grass?

I don't think so. It was done on pavement.

[Snowbird]

That the ABS sucks isn't news.  I hadn't seen it compared to any other sucky ABS setups though, so I guess that was new.

I have a "new" map on my bike that is supposed to fix the poor fueling from 3k-4k, but I'm not sure if it's the one they're talking about below. I'll see if I can get details next time I bring it to the dealer for something.  No problems stopping in the dry yet -- brakes seem typically Brembo good.

http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/10/ducati-refines-2011-multistrada-1200/

"2011 models will feature updated fuel mapping and ABS electronics. Forum posts on the web have been quick to criticize a rough running glitch at low revs and also long stopping distances in the dry, thanks to an overly aggressive ABS system. New pannier latches for better sealing will also be a welcome addition. A new center stand for less intrusion when riding means you can go that much harder before it grounds!

In a move likely to please all current Multistrada 1200 owners, the software and bag latches will be offered to MY2010 owners as a no-cost upgrade."

I sure wish Yamaha would do that for my FJR.

[Snowbird]

  Then don't buy a #%#^%$ %^^&* Multistrada, or ride with the ABS off, or buy an older YZF600R....who cares?  Sometimes I wonder if the STN moto should be "The site for rehashing the same old crap every other day in case you missed it".

Some people are sure touchy. You know, you don't have to comment.  

[2wTraveler]

I sure wish Yamaha would do that for my FJR.

There is a service bulletin for that year/model to replace the ECU.

[Snowbird]

There is a service bulletin for that year/model to replace the ECU.

I will look into that. Thanks.

Wasn't that the recall to correct the situation where after coast down from high elevations, the throttle would surge? That didn't address the brakes... correct me if I'm wrong.

[spd2918]

Does MCN have any data on how the ABS brakes on the Harleys work?  Those Brembos are meant to be pretty good.

The adapted Nissin stuff stuff (2006) was OK.  The proprietary ABS are their current bikes works well.

[stevent]

The adapted Nissin stuff stuff (2006) was OK.  The proprietary ABS are their current bikes works well.

Ditto, the ABS Brembo's on my 08 FLHT work very well, the front much better than the rear (obviously), both way better than the linked power assisted ones on my '02 R1150RT. I wouldn't buy another Harley without the Brembos

[maddjack]

Was the test done on grass?

Are you referring to Smoked or the kind you ride on??

[Scoop]

 Are you referring to Smoked or the kind you ride on??

Mayhaps it was done on Valium!

[tjhess74]

the abs isnt working very well for an obvious reason, ducati runs the wrong kind of oil in thier engines.

ducatisti have to stand out from the crowd...taking a loooooong time to come to a stop is one way to 'be in front'.

[Windblown]

ducatisti have to stand out from the crowd...taking a loooooong time to come to a stop is one way to 'be in front'.

Ok, that was funny.  

[Geoff]

I like ABS, best technological improvement for a motorcycle since handlebars

I like ABS, too. It saved my bacon a couple times on wet roads.

[richak]

There is a service bulletin for that year/model to replace the ECU.

  Yes, they have a heavier one to install.

[Skee]

What makes you guys think you're experts on everything?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, long ABS stopping distances are an intentionally designed safety feature?

Look, you got some nutcase in a cage behind you thinkin they can keep up with you and somethin pops out up the road and you gotta grab a handful.  Now if you've been following posts lately, you keep that brake covered, so you're droppin the proverbial anchor a whole lot sooner than Mr. Bozo behind you.  And the brakes, even on my sucky a$$ Wee are better than most any car, or else most drivers just don't know how to use 'em.  And what happens next, that little bugger damn near crawls up your butt and parks it.  Who needs that?  Now with long-stopping distance ABS, your worries are less, at least on dry pavement.

Why else would the EU be considering mandatory ABS?

Can't say what happens on grass, but I'm ready for some testing.

[Tar Snake]

Was the test done on grass?

No Prop 19 failed, otherwise tests would be way better reading then dry facts and numbers:

I like totally flyin' on the multistrada, it was like intense, and then I saw this oil stain on the pavement and looked just like Jerry Garcia's head and I was like whoa dude I can't hit the likeness of Jerry cause that would be like totally bad karma for sure and grabbed the brakes and brakes were like "whoa this dude wants to stop NOW" and I had this like totally awesome stopping experience and I was like totally static, like immobile right in front of Jerry's head, so I said "Peace Jerry's head" and now I'm really hungry. kthksbye!

[Snowbird]

What makes you guys think you're experts on everything?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, long ABS stopping distances are an intentionally designed safety feature?

Look, you got some nutcase in a cage behind you thinkin they can keep up with you and somethin pops out up the road and you gotta grab a handful.  Now if you've been following posts lately, you keep that brake covered, so you're droppin the proverbial anchor a whole lot sooner than Mr. Bozo behind you.  And the brakes, even on my sucky a$$ Wee are better than most any car, or else most drivers just don't know how to use 'em.  And what happens next, that little bugger damn near crawls up your butt and parks it.  Who needs that?  Now with long-stopping distance ABS, your worries are less, at least on dry pavement.

Why else would the EU be considering mandatory ABS?

Can't say what happens on grass, but I'm ready for some testing.

Yeah, that's it. Longer stopping distances are a safety feature.

[GTS_Rider]

'93 Yamaha GTS-1000 ABS. Full-on ABS stopping distance, 89  feet.

This comment is included under my contract to maintain my screen name, whenever abs threads occur.

Perhaps I should deserve an extra award for owning both the best and the worst of abs...  

[tjhess74]

What makes you guys think you're experts on everything?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, long ABS stopping distances are an intentionally designed safety feature?

Look, you got some nutcase in a cage behind you thinkin they can keep up with you and somethin pops out up the road and you gotta grab a handful.  Now if you've been following posts lately, you keep that brake covered, so you're droppin the proverbial anchor a whole lot sooner than Mr. Bozo behind you.  And the brakes, even on my sucky a$$ Wee are better than most any car, or else most drivers just don't know how to use 'em.  And what happens next, that little bugger damn near crawls up your butt and parks it.  Who needs that?  Now with long-stopping distance ABS, your worries are less, at least on dry pavement.

Why else would the EU be considering mandatory ABS?

Can't say what happens on grass, but I'm ready for some testing.

skee, you been smokin some of tar snake's stuff??!!  thats the most asinine thing ive heard lately.  most rear end accidents for motorcycles occur when the bike is stopped (ie, red lights).  most moving accidents (the only time abs is useful) for motorcycles are front end collisions, primarily the left front quarter.  building all your bikes to mitigate a very rare type of accident such as that, is retarded.

[gradus]

What makes you guys think you're experts on everything?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, long ABS stopping distances are an intentionally designed safety feature?

Look, you got some nutcase in a cage behind you thinkin they can keep up with you and somethin pops out up the road and you gotta grab a handful.  Now if you've been following posts lately, you keep that brake covered, so you're droppin the proverbial anchor a whole lot sooner than Mr. Bozo behind you.  And the brakes, even on my sucky a$$ Wee are better than most any car, or else most drivers just don't know how to use 'em.  And what happens next, that little bugger damn near crawls up your butt and parks it.  Who needs that?  Now with long-stopping distance ABS, your worries are less, at least on dry pavement.

Why else would the EU be considering mandatory ABS?

Can't say what happens on grass, but I'm ready for some testing.

You deserve some type of award.  Either for dryest sarcasm or lamest rationale.  

[Snowbird]

'93 Yamaha GTS-1000 ABS. Full-on ABS stopping distance, 89  feet.

This comment is included under my contract to maintain my screen name, whenever abs threads occur.

Perhaps I should deserve an extra award for owning both the best and the worst of abs...  

You frame my own arguments. Opting for ABS is more complicated than yes/no. It depends on the design of the ABS system, one's intended use and understanding the limits inherent to the system's design. Why this position should be so contentious is beyond me.

[atadaskew]

I like ABS, too. It saved my bacon a couple times on wet roads.

What was your bacon doing on a wet road?

Suggested places - hot skillet, on a cheese burger, wrapped around shrimp and/or a hotdog, in a BLT....

[Skee]

You deserve some type of award.  Either for dryest sarcasm or lamest rationale.  

I believe the honor belongs to Tar Snake.  I was , really when I read that.

Good engineering designs are the result of compromise.  Only God does perfect, and there is some anecdotal evidence to the contrary on that.  Every rider faces different scenarios with different constraints.  You either believe it’s better to have ABS on, or you don’t.  

I think it is a good rainy-day feature, when it comes with a switch to turn it off.

[Baz]

How does synthetic oil affect testing?  

[DrD]

I like ABS, best technological improvement for a motorcycle since handlebars

True, but the manufacturer has to implement the ABS properly.  That is not guaranteed.