More "RCMP losing my respect"

[Kootenanny]

So, I see last night on the news, Geoff Mantler is being charged with 2 counts of assault, with possibly a third to come.  I'm glad to hear this...at least something is being done (still, I can't imagine it would take two months to charge a member of the general public...what would have happened if it'd been the other way around, with Tavares kicking Mantler in the head?).  

[Thunderbox]

Jeff remember that ride from Castlegar to Lumby and return last summer.  Remember that RCMP who had us all speeding and just turned his lights on to slow us down and kept going.  You have to admit some of these guys deserve respect.  It's the 10% factor who we have an issue with isn't it?

Have a graet day bub.

[Kwacker]

Jeff remember that ride from Castlegar to Lumby and return last summer.  Remember that RCMP who had us all speeding and just turned his lights on to slow us down and kept going.  You have to admit some of these guys deserve respect.  It's the 10% factor who we have an issue with isn't it?

Have a graet day bub.

+1  
     FWIW I`ve had this happen to me way more often than I have deserved.  I have found that most cops were decent guys (or girls)  even when they were writing me up.    They do preform a pretty thankless job.

[Kootenanny]

Jeff remember that ride from Castlegar to Lumby and return last summer.  Remember that RCMP who had us all speeding and just turned his lights on to slow us down and kept going.  You have to admit some of these guys deserve respect.  It's the 10% factor who we have an issue with isn't it?

Have a graet day bub.

Yes, exactly.  I believe that the majority of RCMP officers are decent guys--that's why I'm so annoyed at the "bad apples" who drag down the whole force.  

Note the title of this thread: "RCMP losing my respect."  I didn't say "lost..."

[spd2918]

Yes, exactly.  I believe that the majority of RCMP officers are decent guys--that's why I'm so annoyed at the "bad apples" who drag down the whole force.  

It's a lot like the bad apples that only post only negative news about them.

[Thunderbox]

Yes, exactly.  I believe that the majority of RCMP officers are decent guys--that's why I'm so annoyed at the "bad apples" who drag down the whole force.  

Note the title of this thread: "RCMP losing my respect."  I didn't say "lost..."

Hey Jeff I am just pulling your chain buddy.  I know where you are going and I am not too happy with the Grid Rod Cops either.  That kick in the head was totally not required and anything less than a jail term and release from the RCMP would be a travesty of justice, IMHO.

[veefer800canuck]

 

Three B.C. Mounties, jail guard charged after women watched having sex in cell

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/three-b-c-mounties-jail-guard-charged-women-205336983.html;_ylt=AutLsIOE8GK61bYPkEV8PMIWssB_;_ylu=X3oDMTM5Y25wZ2ZtBHBrZwM5Yzc1ZTc2Mi05YmMwLTM4MWQtYWQxYy1hMjg4ZjFkZTMzYzMEcG9zAzQEc2VjA01lZGlhVG9wU3RvcnkEdmVyAzMwN2ZlYmYwLTdkYjQtMTFlMC1iYjM3LTQxYzhiNjA5YzY1Mw--;_ylg=X3oDMTFjNjVhOWUzBGludGwDY2EEbGFuZwNlbi1jYQRwc3RhaWQDBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3

[Kootenanny]

 

Three B.C. Mounties, jail guard charged after women watched having sex in cell

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/three-b-c-mounties-jail-guard-charged-women-205336983.html;_ylt=AutLsIOE8GK61bYPkEV8PMIWssB_;_ylu=X3oDMTM5Y25wZ2ZtBHBrZwM5Yzc1ZTc2Mi05YmMwLTM4MWQtYWQxYy1hMjg4ZjFkZTMzYzMEcG9zAzQEc2VjA01lZGlhVG9wU3RvcnkEdmVyAzMwN2ZlYmYwLTdkYjQtMTFlMC1iYjM3LTQxYzhiNjA5YzY1Mw--;_ylg=X3oDMTFjNjVhOWUzBGludGwDY2EEbGFuZwNlbi1jYQRwc3RhaWQDBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3

I'd heard about the voyeurism complaint, and the perjury charges...not the shot fired during a traffic stop, though (or maybe I did...if it's the one I'm thinking of...).

I was very glad to hear about the perjury charges--I mean, it's patently obvious those guys were covering their butts.  It's not going to do the force as a whole any good, though, to have four cops up on perjury charges, especially if they're convicted...as I said before, the public perception of their integrity is their main asset; once that's lost...

[blkhrt81]

Now I'm not sure just how to take this last one. I thought everybody knew jail cells had video cameras and guards are supposed to watch them. So, where does the breach of trust come in? What do you expect to happen if you have sex in a jail cell?
This kinda looks like a couple of completely irresponsible individuals trying to cash in and I don't see it as misconduct on the part of the cops, UNLESS there is a policy which says adults may not have consensual sex in a drunk tank.
It being a kind of unusual circumstance, I could see the four of them just discussing what they are supposed to do, and then by the time they decide, it's over anyway.

[Kootenanny]

Now I'm not sure just how to take this last one. I thought everybody knew jail cells had video cameras and guards are supposed to watch them. So, where does the breach of trust come in? What do you expect to happen if you have sex in a jail cell?
This kinda looks like a couple of completely irresponsible individuals trying to cash in and I don't see it as misconduct on the part of the cops, UNLESS there is a policy which says adults may not have consensual sex in a drunk tank.
It being a kind of unusual circumstance, I could see the four of them just discussing what they are supposed to do, and then by the time they decide, it's over anyway.

Here's the issue: the one woman making the complaint was too drunk to consent to having sex (I don't know if both women were that drunk, but I seem to thnk they were).  And it now seems that the other woman had HIV.  She found this out when she got a phone call more than a week after the fact...

So, how would YOU feel if you were thrown in the drunk tank one night with some stranger who attacked you sexually while you were too drunk to resist (indeed, too drunk to remember it), and then, 10 days after your release, you get a call from the cops saying you should get tested for HIV?  And you then find out that, the whole time this stranger was doing you, there were 3 cops and a prison guard watching the whole thing like some kind of porn flick, making lewd jokes and laughing, rather than separating the two of you?

Yeah, I think I'd be filing a complaint, too.

[Hardware]

Here's the issue: the one woman making the complaint was too drunk to consent to having sex (I don't know if both women were that drunk, but I seem to thnk they were).  And it now seems that the other woman had HIV.  She found this out when she got a phone call more than a week after the fact...

So, how would YOU feel if you were thrown in the drunk tank one night with some stranger who attacked you sexually while you were too drunk to resist (indeed, too drunk to remember it), and then, 10 days after your release, you get a call from the cops saying you should get tested for HIV?  And you then find out that, the whole time this stranger was doing you, there were 3 cops and a prison guard watching the whole thing like some kind of porn flick, making lewd jokes and laughing, rather than separating the two of you?

Yeah, I think I'd be filing a complaint, too.

...or this for a plan...don't get so fucking drunk you end up in the drunk tank to begin with.

[blkhrt81]

    OK, first, if you are too drunk to remember, how do you know you were "attacked" and didn't initiate it yourself? Second, do we know the four watched the whole thing " giggling and telling lewd jokes"? Did, perhaps, the jail guard happen to check fairly late in the event, call the officers for possible assistance in separating them but by the time they get to the cell, it was over and the two were passed out?
    If I were a male officer, I don't think I'd be in a real hurry to go into a cell with two partially unclad, slobbering drunk females as long as it didn't look like they were intent on bodily harm. It just looks like a lot of potential to turn real ugly, which it looks like doing anyway but at the time I'd be inclined to just leave well enough alone.
    As far as the whole HIV angle, where are the cops at fault for that? Do they find that out as soon as they pick  somebody up or would that be something they wouldn't find out for a matter of days.
What should they have done? Maybe just not notify her and let her wonder where she got HIV sometime in the future? After she has infected how many others.

[Formerly Known as Bigfoot]

...or this for a plan...don't get so fucking drunk you end up in the drunk tank to begin with.

Hmmm.  One taking responsibility for their own actions.  That would be a first for many in jail.  

[Kootenanny]

    OK, first, if you are too drunk to remember, how do you know you were "attacked" and didn't initiate it yourself? Second, do we know the four watched the whole thing " giggling and telling lewd jokes"? Did, perhaps, the jail guard happen to check fairly late in the event, call the officers for possible assistance in separating them but by the time they get to the cell, it was over and the two were passed out?
    If I were a male officer, I don't think I'd be in a real hurry to go into a cell with two partially unclad, slobbering drunk females as long as it didn't look like they were intent on bodily harm. It just looks like a lot of potential to turn real ugly, which it looks like doing anyway but at the time I'd be inclined to just leave well enough alone.
    As far as the whole HIV angle, where are the cops at fault for that? Do they find that out as soon as they pick  somebody up or would that be something they wouldn't find out for a matter of days.
What should they have done? Maybe just not notify her and let her wonder where she got HIV sometime in the future? After she has infected how many others.

The whole thing is on video, so it's known who initiated--it doesn't really matter who started it, though.

As for the "lewd jokes" thing, I heard that when it was initially aired on the news--the one who "blew the whistle" (it was either the guard or the rookie cop, I can't recall which) is the one who recounted that.

And the cops are responsible for putting someone in harm's way, by putting them into a situation where they were exposed to HIV.

I agree, best not to get so drunk.  The thing is, I've long held that view (about lots of addiction problems), but I've come to realize that people with addictions can't NOT get drunk or high, if the stuff is available.  And hey, even those who are NOT alcoholics sometimes get drunk.  There is one night when I was university age when I got drunk enough that I can't remember it.  That doesn't make me an alcoholic (I drink very little alcohol, a beer every now and then).  Luckily, I woke up on the floor of a friend's apartment, not the drunk tank...but I did have some university buddies who did end up in the drunk tank once.  If any of you have university-aged kids, how do you know they aren't in danger of doing the same?  And would it be OK for one of them to contract HIV in the drunk tank after one night of excess?  Or would you expect that any cops watching on the overhead monitors might come down and break it up?

And as for the HIV--yes, of course the cops should have informed her--which they did.  The problem isn't that, and not even whether or not she actually contracted the HIV--the problem is that, while she was in danger of contracting it, the cops stood by watching and did nothing.  

It sounds, on the face of it, like a rather funny story, just a couple of drunk women pawing at each other in the tank.  But, there is more to it than that, and one would expect trained police officers to recognize that fact.  Which they did--after all, they did separate the two women, just not until after watching them "get it on" for seven minutes.

[Hardware]

I'm dubious on a female passing HIV onto another female after one encounter in a reasonably public environment - I mean I doubt the were sharing sex toys.

This:

...The risks of sexually transmitting HIV between women are low. Very few women are known to have passed HIV on to other women sexually...

[Croak]

Low, but not impossible.  Big difference.  And there's a few other nasty STD's out there that aren't as lethal as HIV, but can still screw you up.

[Kootenanny]

Well, it seems it's not just me losing my respect for the cops.  Here in BC, it has recently been announced that a civilian group will be organized to oversee the police, and to conduct investigations when shit happens, because the cops seem unable to effectively police themselves:  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-politics/bc-to-introduce-civilian-oversight-of-rcmp/article2025073/


(Although, it's hard to say how effective that kind of thing's been in Ontario, where the OPP is still hiding behind their "thin blue line" in the Dorian Barton affair: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/05/26/g20-siu-assault-probe548.html