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« on: March 27, 2007, 02:15:21 PM »

Rider killed on West Bound 580 in Castro Valley while lane splitting:

http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_086120326.html

http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_088095325.html
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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2007, 03:01:18 PM »

That sucks. I hate splitting near big rigs and buses.
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2007, 04:18:17 PM »

Such a tragedy for his family and friends.  The correct terminolgy is LANE SHARING  I do it often but you gotta pick your spots.  I never lane share near any large interchange.  There are far too many cagers who have their heads up their ass or on cell phones and change lanes suddenly.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2007, 04:25:21 PM »

I lane SHARE in that area all the time.  Probably not right at the interchange but all around it.  I pick my spots carefully too but I'm getting a little too brazen.  

I actually feel better lane splitting next to big rigs than cars, provided there is room, of course.  Big rigs are less likely to dart in front of you (simply because of their size) and whoever is on the other side of you is less likely to dart towards a big rig.  Often there is too little room though.

Being run over by a sand truck cannot be pretty.  I feel really bad for this guy.  

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2007, 06:49:56 PM »


The correct terminolgy is LANE SHARING


Somehow I think the choice of words is pretty much irrelevant in this instance. Sharing or splitting, either way it didn't work out very well.

I am curious to know what happened to cause his bike to come into contact with the trailer.
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2007, 12:51:56 AM »

I got stuck in a bus wheel well once, and just barely managed to topple over the other way when the bus started moving.  Alot of mistakes can be recovered from, but making bad decisions near anything with a large wheel well, or that can't hear you banging on it, is just bad all over.

this story gives me shivers.
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2007, 11:45:22 AM »

Substitution of the neonym lane sharing for lane splitting brings with it an unintended change in meaning. Lane splitting has always implied (at least in my 25 years of doing it) riding between lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. Lane sharing OTOH, doesn't suggest that. It can also mean riding alongside a single lane of traffic or to the far left or far right of lanes moving in the same direction.

The change in meaning has a critical safety implication. Riding between lanes offers some measure of protection for a rider, especially when both lanes are occupied and cross-lane movements aren't likely. A driver in the right lane probably isn't going to attempt a left turn if there are cars in the lane to his left. But lane sharing seems to include riding to the left of the leftmost lane or to the right of the rightmost lane, and a driver could easily make an unexpected turn without looking for traffic in a non-existent lane.

That's why I like lane splitting. It may not be a big deal to experienced riders who know that riding to the outside of a traffic lane is dangerous. But n00bs may not be aware of that danger. They know it only as lane sharing--riding in the same lane as another vehicle--and that is legal and usually safe. They may not make the distinction that could be the difference between life and death.

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goldylocks303 wrote: I actually feel better lane splitting next to big rigs than cars, provided there is room, of course.



I researched lane-splitting crashes last year via news media accounts (admittedly not the most reliable source, but the only one available), and the two most common scenarios were a car changing lanes into a gap in traffic as the rider approached and splitting next to a large truck.

A truck of maximum legal width is 8.5 feet wide, compared to 6 feet for a typical car. In a standard 12-foot-lane, that leaves less than 2 feet per side if it’s centered. But if the lane narrows or if the truck drifts just a little, your space cushion can vanish. Consider too the truck’s length. When splitting between two cars, if one car drifts toward you and the lane splitting slot narrows uncomfortably, a quick burst of acceleration will take you past the problem. But a tractor-trailer might be 70 feet long, so before you enter the slot alongside a truck, be sure you have escape opportunities in the other lane.
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2007, 11:58:52 AM »

In re:  "Lane splitting has always implied (at least in my 25 years of doing it) riding between lanes of traffic moving in the same direction.'

There (is) no space to ride between lanes going in the same direction.  Once one lane stops, another begins.  Where is this space you speak of?  By definition, a motorcycle shares the lane with whatever vehicle is there.  By your definition of splitting, you'd have to ride atop the white line or lane dividing plastic dots/markers.  By most definitions (that of the CHP for example) lane splitting is illegally changing lanes.  Sharing a lane however is not looked down upon, speed being the variable there.
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2007, 01:13:23 PM »

Like it or not, that's the term that was used almost exclusively until the newage, feel-good term "lane sharing" came into vogue. Historically, I think "lane splitting" evolved from the earlier "splitting traffic". At least that's what old-timers called when I was a n00b in the 1980s.
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2007, 02:25:05 PM »

Thanks, DataDan... Welcome back -- missed your posts.
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2007, 12:38:19 PM »

RIP, dude. An off duty cop was also killed there about a year ago on his Harley. That's a dangerous spot, right at the interchange. When I take 238 during the morning commute I get on from 580 eastbound so I don't ride that particular bit where the guy died. I won't start splitting until I get fully merged into traffic in the #2 lane of 238, including sometimes coming to a dead stop in the onramp merge lane. Once the lanes stabilize it's a pretty good bet to split the rest of the way down to 880. I haven't taken it lately but they've begun construction to widen 238, so it may be that the lanes are narrowed, or there's gravel, temporary lanes, or other factors to distract the drivers. Be careful out there!!
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2007, 08:28:15 AM »

The 2004 crash that took the life of Oakland PD motorcop William Seuis on 238 was one of the motorcycle vs. big-rig lane-splitting crashes I mentioned in an earlier post.

For info, the Highway 4 fatality Monday of this week was another lane splitting crash involving a large truck.

I used to split alongside trucks--with some trepidation. But after learning how frequently they're involved in serious lane-splitting crashes, I don't do it any more.
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