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« on: May 16, 2011, 03:18:16 PM »

Motorcycle Bluetooth Multi Interphone by Shark.

Recently my riding buddy (Cruzman) and I upgraded our comms from Motocomm to bluetooth.  In my ongoing quest to find the best value for my dollar, once again I eschewed the well known brands in favor of something less expensive.  This time, I chose (with Cruzman's help) the Motorcycle Bluetooth Multi Interphone setup by Shark.  

WebBikeWorld reviewed an older version of these under the AKE name.  One I studied all of their reviews, I made my decision based on their comparison chart that showed all BT comms they tested were basically the same when it came to the most important things.

With that knowledge, I started shopping the value products.  In the end, the MBT688IL won because of the Line in Audio and up to 6 rider capability.  We got ours from GoodDeals18 after purchasing what we thought was the same product off of eBay but proved to be the MBT388IL without the Line in Audio.  Cruzman sold that set to a friend then ordered our set.  When he got them, he spent a lot of time getting familiar with them while I wished I could do the same.  What he learned was they were basically the same as the 388IL as far as function and the Line In Audio is not quite ready for prime time.  He had to send them back because both sets failed to charge.

Yesterday I finally got mine and we tested it on our ride around the Suches and Blairsville area in the North Georgia Mountains.  Bike to Bike is spectacular.  It is in VOX so when your channel is open, you hear whatever that person says along with the some of the background noise they have including the awesome sound of the Akrapovic on a Gen1 when it accelerates to pass! (I think I need another exhaust now, Cruzman didn't even hear my Yosh when I accelerated!)  VOX also encourages whole conversations, unlike PTT which pares communication down to the necessary "Turn your *&^%$#@! signal off!" or "I gotta pee now!".

In VOX, Cruzman and I were just chatting on at one point about something that I don't even remember now.  He got to hear me yelling at the traffic and cursing myself for my miserable lines.  Since he had the units for weeks before I got them, he added the bluetooth transmitter (Like this one, but not that one) so that he could get audio from his MP3/GPS/Radar mix.  He was also more familiar with the buttons so he could switch easily from comm to music while I struggled despairingly to shut the VOX off so Cruzman wouldn't hear my ranting.

It comes with the standard mounts, one plate that slides onto the helmet and one that sticks to the side.  I started with the plate on but after having it knocked loose by my shoulder as I turned my head to do riding related stuff, I switched it to the stick on mount and had no more trouble.  I could even push the buttons better and look forward to using it more so that I can do it without feeling around for the proper button.

The instructions are in "Chingrish"  .  If you've ever purchased a product direct from China, you are familiar with that english dialect.  It is difficult translate into English, even more the Southern USA English that I understand  Bigsmile.  However, after reading them several times I was able to understand the basic functions:

  • Press the button with the motorcycle on it for a long time and it will come on.  
  • Press it a little longer and it'll go into pairing mode.  
  • If you want to pair, make sure the all the other units are turned off before putting your unit in pairing mode then put the other unit in pairing mode and finally press the button (B, C, D, E) you want to mate it too.  Once they are paired, lights will flash and it'll go into standby mode.  
  • Press the button for the comm you want to talk to and wait a few seconds before you speak.
  • Press the button with the motorcycle on it to get to your music or turn the VOX off.  
  • If you want to answer the phone don't do anything, after a few seconds it'll connect the call.  If you don't want to answer the phone, push the button with the motorcycle on it.


It's all really easy!  EEK!

Cruzman complained about the tone of the speakers but they sounded fine through my earplugged ears (he only wears earplugs in certain situations).  I had to order a BT Transmitter for my mixed audio stuff (same as Cruzman's) so I don't know how my music will sound yet.  The in Line Audio sucked.  It was one ear or the other and the audio level was very low.  I did listen to the Virgin Mobile radio on the way home and it didn't sound too bad.  I think the headset can be replaced for a hifi one because they use a standard 3.5mm plug on the unit.  I just have to find them!

Like the internet, once you go cordless you don't want to go back!  Even if the line in (in line?) audio worked like it should, I'm not sure I'd want to use it.  There's nothing like just getting off of the bike with the helmet and not having to unplug something.  Even better to just say something and have it heard.  I did miss the PTT button though so a remote option would be cool.

We paid less than $150 shipped for the set so I ain't gonna complain about that.  I will complain about the Line In not working.  If you're gonna buy a shark, and don't need to talk to 6 riders, buy the 388 instead and save the $15 to go toward your BT transmitter.

It comes with a usb charger and wall adapter so you can charge the unit.  It should last around 7 to 10 hours.  Fortunately, I have a (few) 12volt adapter so I can charge it on the bike if needed.

My Ratings:

 Thumbsup The instructions are a 3 out of 5 because of the Chingrish.  It's not the worst Chingrish I've ever read, but it ain't the best either.

 Thumbsup Ease of Use is a solid 5 out of 5.  Once you translate the Chingrish and understand the functions, it's very easy to use.  I was able to work it after about 3 minutes of getting used to the buttons.

 Thumbsup Install on the helmet is 4 out of 5.  I'd give it 5 but for the trouble with my perf leather jacket interfering with my preferred slip on mount.  A note here:  while it was in the slip on mount, it got turned around and mounted upside down.  The comms still performed very will with little interference.

 Thumbsup The Comms are a definite 5 out of 5.  We sounded like Ewan and Charly!   Inlove

 Thumbsdown Line in Audio is 2 out of 5.  Only 2 because it has the option but it doesn't work very well.  The Blue Ant F4 interphone that this mimics doesn't have it neither do the older versions.

 Thumbsup BT Audio is 5 out of 5.  Sound was crisp and could be heard up around 80 mph (possibly higher but I didn't go faster).

 Thumbsup Telephone (based on Cruzman's observations) is 5 out of 5.  They can't tell your on your bike.  Another friend was so impressed, he got the 388!

 Bigok Overall, I give this a 4 out of 5.  This charges using the same port as the in line music so it can be finicky.  Cruzman had to send back the first set he got because they wouldn't charge.  Gooddeals18 is easy to deal with and haven't given him a hassle with returns/exchanges.  If you want these for the inline audio feature, wait until they get the kinks out.  The 688 is the first version with it and i suspect they need to get some of the manufacturing processes tightened up so the thing does what it's designed to do.

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I forgot to mention it's small.  I didn't notice any extra wind noise from having it on the side of my helmet but I do have an inexpensive helmet where the focus is not on blocking wind noise.
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2011, 03:35:08 PM »

Thanks for the review.....

Seems like WAY too many buttons for a gloved hand  Headscratch

I'll stick with the SMH10...
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2011, 03:37:50 PM »

That's the 6 rider one, the 3 rider one has less buttons.  Still, not too bad though.  So far I've only actively used three, the volume, c, and the button with the motorcycle on it.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2011, 03:40:21 PM »

I will stick to my SMH-10 as well.

Was it 150 for 2 of them or each set?
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2011, 06:25:49 PM »


That's the 6 rider one, the 3 rider one has less buttons.  Still, not too bad though.  So far I've only actively used three, the volume, c, and the button with the motorcycle on it.



Gotcha - thanks again for the review !
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2011, 06:45:36 PM »

so how is the vox feature... is it always on due to the wind noise? or does it actually pick up connection when you speak..?
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2011, 07:12:17 PM »

Looks great, but I have a few questions:

I have custom molded in ear monitors, if I plug them in to the 3.5mm plug I will lose the Mic correct?  IF I keep the built in phones but do a Y splitter will I get the benefit of the weak helmet speaker, PLUS my IEM, and retain the Mic?

I can use my phone to do MP3 and GPS and Call (duh) all via BT so I am cool with that but HOW will i get my Radar detector (8500 x50) hooked up wireless? Can you get a 3.5mm out to BT adapter and then pair it with the unit as well? In other words will it accept BT from 2 different devices?

If yes to all these, I will buy immediately as it is what I have been searching for!
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2011, 07:37:11 PM »

Thanks for the info.  At some point this season, I'll need to get my HTC Evo running with a system like yours.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2011, 09:18:39 PM »




Gotcha - thanks again for the review !

Because I'm answering the questions, here's a pic of the 388 from the site.
http://static.zoovy.com/img/gooddeals18/W2272-H1704-Bffffff/L/lx_mbt388il_new_3_riders_bt_interphone_unit.jpg

I will stick to my SMH-10 as well.

Was it 150 for 2 of them or each set?

150 for 2 of them (a set) to the door.

so how is the vox feature... is it always on due to the wind noise? or does it actually pick up connection when you speak..?

When a connection is activated, it's always on.  You have to press a button to turn off the connection.  You get a beep when there's an incoming request.  Press the button to accept and a few seconds later it's active.  The instructions actually recommend turning the connection off when you're not speaking.

Looks great, but I have a few questions:

I have custom molded in ear monitors, if I plug them in to the 3.5mm plug I will lose the Mic correct?  IF I keep the built in phones but do a Y splitter will I get the benefit of the weak helmet speaker, PLUS my IEM, and retain the Mic?

I can use my phone to do MP3 and GPS and Call (duh) all via BT so I am cool with that but HOW will i get my Radar detector (8500 x50) hooked up wireless? Can you get a 3.5mm out to BT adapter and then pair it with the unit as well? In other words will it accept BT from 2 different devices?

If yes to all these, I will buy immediately as it is what I have been searching for!

I wish I could answer your headset question but I can't.  You should probably contact the folks at gooddeals18 to see if they know...You got me curious so I did a quick test with some ear buds that I don't use.  I plugged them into the unit and they worked.  My guess is you probably could get your set up to work if you can find a splitter that has the third black ring for the mic.

As to the two different devices, the answer is yes but...  Yes you can use two different devices but one will be in stereo (a2dp? or whatever it's called) and the other is just for the phone.  I think if your phone only connects using the stereo function--like the iphone, you have to turn it off to use the stereo bt transmitter.  I'll double check with Cruzman and get him to post a correction here if I'm wrong.  My android phone splits stereo and phone into different profiles and I can select which to use with the "motor phone" (the name it uses when it's discovered by my phone).  Once I get my transmitter, I'll turn the stereo profile off and use it for phone only then both will be connected at the same time.

In my research, I discovered the Sena has a similar problem too when trying to use the iphone and one of the garmin units together.

Thanks for the info.  At some point this season, I'll need to get my HTC Evo running with a system like yours.

You're welcome.  I wanted to post my experience with it so if someone needs a cheaper solution, they'll have a user perspective to consider.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2011, 04:31:55 AM »

Thanks for the review.....

Seems like WAY too many buttons for a gloved hand  Headscratch

I'll stick with the SMH10...

It is way too many buttons,  The hardest ones to fine are the volume up and volume down.  I never really plan to pair it with more than 2 riders.   (3 total)  I assigned TheWolfTamer to button C. (that one is easy to find)  And if I have another rider along then I will assign them to one of the buttons on the back. 


I'd like to clarify one other thing that TheWolfTamer was talking about.  While we were riding I just had to use button C.  I had my mp3 player and gps paired to the unit and I had her on button C.  While I was riding I would select button C and I could then talk to her.  To hang up and listen to my music I only needed to hit button C.  (easy peasy).   If talked with other riders in excess of 80 MPH and didn't have any issues hearing them.  (These thing will go extremely loud) As far as phone conversations it is more limited I could only her other parties up to about 60 mph. 
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2011, 05:18:23 AM »


Looks great, but I have a few questions:

I have custom molded in ear monitors, if I plug them in to the 3.5mm plug I will lose the Mic correct?  IF I keep the built in phones but do a Y splitter will I get the benefit of the weak helmet speaker, PLUS my IEM, and retain the Mic?

I can use my phone to do MP3 and GPS and Call (duh) all via BT so I am cool with that but HOW will i get my Radar detector (8500 x50) hooked up wireless? Can you get a 3.5mm out to BT adapter and then pair it with the unit as well? In other words will it accept BT from 2 different devices?

If yes to all these, I will buy immediately as it is what I have been searching for!


The input on the device is a 3.5 mm plug that has 4 positions (microphone and speakers)  If you plug just a standard set of headphones in you will get the output but loose the mike.  Not sure how it would react to a y splitter.  I plan on upgrading the headphones at some point and I'll let you know what I come up with.  (I think the hifi headphones for the Cardio system may work).  

Ok the divice has a few limitations.  Here is what I believe they are.

1.  Only 1 A2DP device can be connected to it at once.  I have an I-pod (which is A2DP) and my sons old cell phone (which is not A2DP)   I can connect these two devices.  When the phone rings, the music is stopped and I can talk on the phone.    However my phone is an I-phone,  And I can either use it for everything, or I can user the I-pod for music, but both will not connect (because they are both A2DP I think)

Now most phones now days have the A2DP and some of them even allow you to specify the connection type.  (Stupid Apple still thinks they are in charge, so you do not get this option. )  IF I could do that I think I would bein hog heaven.

Here is what I do.  On short  hops around town I just pair the I-phone and let it play music and take calls  (I’ve got no need for GPS or other audio devices), but on longer trips where I need the GPS.  I hard wire it and my mp3 player via a splitter and tie their outputs to a Bluetooth A2DP transmitter. (this way I get all the music and GPS directions while I am in route).  This does mean that I ride without the ability to talk on the cell. (I call that a win win)  J    

One other thing I should point out about this device is that even if the line in worked I would not like it.  The line in will only works when no A2DP device is paired, which in my opinion really makes the line in useless.  
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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2011, 01:38:56 PM »

Hi, thanks for the excellent write-up.  I'm right in the middle of choosing a system for a group of riders for an 1800 mile ride to Yosemite next month.  I had settled on the Motocomm units due to the fact that there will be at least 8 riders, and I could not find a reasonably priced bluetooth setup that would allow more than 6 users.  The Motocomm has worked well so far in my tests, which has comprised of high-speed passes past my house with my wife in the living room on another GMRS radio.

I may end up trying out this gear after our group ride, and transfering the motocomm gear to my dirt bike, since I rarely ride with a group that large.

Is this the same set that is on sale today for $108 at gooddeals18.com?
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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2011, 06:07:30 PM »



Is this the same set that is on sale today for $108 at gooddeals18.com?


That's the one!  BTW, sound is much better than motocomm.
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2011, 10:14:39 PM »

Let me ask a dumb question.  Obviously with the Motocomm type systems (two-way radio based) you can converse with everyone at the same time.  With bluetooth devices like this, are you limited to speaking with one other rider at a time?  Or can you carry on a conversation with all six riders simultaneously?

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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2011, 09:35:37 PM »

One at a time.  I miss the broadcast over the whole system thing.  they will be or have come out with a bt adapter for two radios.
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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2011, 12:12:15 PM »

What's the range on the road between bikes?
Any idea if a truck being between you interrupts the signal?
Is the chaging connector a standard (like micro-USB) or propietary?
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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2011, 10:32:54 PM »

The range is great.  At one point we were separated and out of sight of one another and could still communicate.  We rode the BRP and I was two or three curves behind and was able to hear Cruzman fine.

Big truck didn't interrupt the signal

The charging cord is a usb connected to a 2.5mm male audio plug.
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