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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2011, 11:27:26 AM »


Surprised no one has challenged it in court, supposedly where you're innocent until proven guilty. Rolleyes Might as well make all the cops judges to streamline the justice system. Headscratch


In the eyes of the cop you are guilty!  And that "stunting law" has made them judges!

As for being challenged in court ... it has sort of.  In the eyes of the law makers they think this law is working. It's getting the bad people of the road ... right? Lol
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2011, 03:50:07 PM »


Surprised no one has challenged it in court, supposedly where you're innocent until proven guilty. Rolleyes Might as well make all the cops judges to streamline the justice system. Headscratch


They are attempting something similar with impaired driving laws here. While I despise impaired drivers, I do believe everyone deserves their day in court without '
pre-justice forced on them at the whim of a Police officer.
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2011, 10:04:25 AM »




In British Columbia you MUST stay to the right of any double yellow lines painted on the road. There are no circumstances in which it is permitted to cross them. Furhermore, while you may turn across a single solid yellow line, you MAY NOT pass. Period. No whining about how the road was clear and how it was safe to do so.


Hi, just chiming in with a correction on the single yellow rule, you can pass "with caution" see pg 38

http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/Getting-licensed/drivers3.pdf
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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2011, 03:43:54 PM »

I stand corrected on the single line. I was taught in driver's ed, professional driving school, and my motorcycle safety course that there was no passing on a single yellow line. You may cross it to leave the highway, but not to pass. Guess some instructors out there have some explaining to do.
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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2011, 05:44:41 PM »

The problem I have with these roadside suspensions is that there is no recourse. As far as I'm concerned if after the fact the Crown doesn't get a conviction, the defendant should be reimbursed for any costs associated with it.
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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2011, 03:44:03 AM »

Here in this jurisdiction the yellow line is a recommendation, not an exclusion.
It's easy to understand how a doofus alien, like myself, could run afoul of a painted-line infraction, ignorant of quaint local customs (for the purpose of revenue generation  Rolleyes ) and end up with thousands of dollars in costs after impound, cab fare, accomodation, lawyers, fines, lost work and travel time, NOT to mention higher insurance premiums all on the WITHOUT a legitimate guilty verdict.
Please also see the Ontario provincial "stunting" law, under which you can be roadside-suspended for standing on the 'pegs over railroad tracks, or merely to alleviate the discomfort of butt-burn.
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For the purposes of section 172 of the Act, “stunt” includes any activity where one or more persons engage in any of the following driving behaviours:

1. Driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to lift some or all of its tires from the surface of the highway, including driving a motorcycle with only one wheel in contact with the ground, but not including the use of lift axles on commercial motor vehicles.

2. Driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to cause some or all of its tires to lose traction with the surface of the highway while turning.

3. Driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to spin it or cause it to circle, without maintaining control over it.

4. Driving two or more motor vehicles side by side or in proximity to each other, where one of the motor vehicles occupies a lane of traffic or other portion of the highway intended for use by oncoming traffic for a period of time that is longer than is reasonably required to pass another motor vehicle.

5. Driving a motor vehicle with a person in the trunk of the motor vehicle.

6. Driving a motor vehicle while the driver is not sitting in the driver’s seat.

7. Driving a motor vehicle at a rate of speed that is 50 kilometres per hour or more over the speed limit.

8. Driving a motor vehicle without due care and attention, without reasonable consideration for other persons using the highway or in a manner that may endanger any person by,

i. driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to prevent another vehicle from passing,

ii. stopping or slowing down a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates the driver’s sole intention in stopping or slowing down is to interfere with the movement of another vehicle by cutting off its passage on the highway or to cause another vehicle to stop or slow down in circumstances where the other vehicle would not ordinarily do so,

iii. driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to drive, without justification, as close as possible to another vehicle, pedestrian or fixed object on or near the highway
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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2011, 10:20:17 AM »

Thanks Flyer!

I really like the line with "indicates an intention"  

Who's opinon?

yeah the guy or girl in the uniform .. that had a second to decide that maybe just is having a bad day.  

People don't realize what else is in that Ontario Stunting Law....
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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2011, 10:22:24 AM »

These two really are a Catch 22:  

4. Driving two or more motor vehicles side by side or in proximity to each other, where one of the motor vehicles occupies a lane of traffic or other portion of the highway intended for use by oncoming traffic for a period of time that is longer than is reasonably required to pass another motor vehicle.

i. driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to prevent another vehicle from passing,


I mean, you wanna pass someone ahead.  You pull out, they speed up (yes, it happens!).  You speed up a bit more to pass (and here, the "50 km/h over the limit" law could really bite you).  AFAIK, most cops take a dim view of the (completely reasonable IMO) explanation that you really wicked it up in order to pass as quickly as possible, in order to spend the minimum amount of time in the oncoming lane.  (I mean, really...who passes without exceeding the limit...or if you don't exceed the limit, how can you get past without flouting provision 4 above?).
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