MotoGP - Misano **Spoilers**

[DogBoy]

FP1 and FP2: the usual suspects.

[DogBoy]

Grid:

[Gaw]

It seems that Moto2 will be the funniest category for the last part of the season

Go Marquez!!

[DredheadV2.0]

Go Bradl!

Hey, how about those morning warmup times?  Usual suspects at the top, but Hayden was top Ducati at 5th (qualified 15th) and Rossi was 14th (qualified 11th).

Given Hayden's history at Misano, he will be off in the gravel within two corners.  This time it won't be another rider taking him out, but an brimming-with-confidence-at-his-newfound-race-pace agressive start to try to make up 5 places before the race gets away from him will cause a multi-bike incident in the mid-pack.  You read it here first.


1   27   Casey STONER   AUS   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   275.1   1'33.925   
2   1   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   274.6   1'34.165   0.240 / 0.240
3   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   277.7   1'34.216   0.291 / 0.051
4   58   Marco SIMONCELLI   ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   269.7   1'34.390   0.465 / 0.174
5   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Ducati Team   Ducati   273.8   1'34.691   0.766 / 0.301
6   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   Rizla Suzuki MotoGP   Suzuki   275.3   1'34.915   0.990 / 0.224
7   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Mapfre Aspar Team MotoGP   Ducati   277.1   1'34.950   1.025 / 0.035
8   11   Ben SPIES   USA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   271.0   1'34.986   1.061 / 0.036
9   5   Colin EDWARDS   USA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   271.2   1'35.045   1.120 / 0.059
10   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   269.5   1'35.192   1.267 / 0.147
11   65   Loris CAPIROSSI   ITA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   273.4   1'35.236   1.311 / 0.044
12   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   269.9   1'35.251   1.326 / 0.015
13   7   Hiroshi AOYAMA   JPN   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   273.8   1'35.325   1.400 / 0.074
14   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   271.2   1'35.395   1.470 / 0.070
15   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Ducati   275.2   1'35.480   1.555 / 0.085
16   14   Randy DE PUNIET   FRA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   270.5   1'35.508   1.583 / 0.028
17   24   Toni ELIAS   SPA   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   272.8   1'37.287   3.362 / 1.779

[crashtech]

Jorgay checked out on Stoner. He did a good job to salvage his lead in points with a 3rd. Awesome battle for 4th on the last lap....WTF Spies??? That man cant start a race to save his life. Why did he give up so many positions at the first corner? Could not believe he did not make a concrete move in the mix-up for 4th on last lap either....He needs to go back to WSBK....He will be another Collin. Great guy but not competitive for many podiums..Just a win here and there and a couple podiums a year...NOT championship material...Maybe change crew, I dont know..

Yup, Hayden binned it but did it on his own I think. Rossi ran ok?...Still bottom top ten...that pile of shit would not go fast if you dropped it out of a tree. Caparossi had another horrible run and gave up about half way. Hate to see his last year be so horrible. Just another Ducati disappointment I guess...

Bring on Arragon....

[mugwump58]

Nicky-> American Sponsored Honda CRT, just a thought.

[jfusaro]

Bottom line , Spies is to polite, he needs to get on with it, its Moto GP not AMA superbikes or World Superbikes where you can give up position's  and make it up for it later, thats why Colin Edwards calls them aliens. Come on son get on with it!

[DredheadV2.0]

what the fuck is wrong with Zarco?

He had the 125 race won.  Won.  Had Terol's number.  Knew he had it won.  And looks behind him (to mock Terol?), loses a bit of aerodynamics, and Terol pipped him at the line.

Welp, another 2nd for Zarco.  FFS, grow up and you'll be an incredible racer.

[Gaw]

what the fuck is wrong with Zarco?

He had the 125 race won.  Won.  Had Terol's number.  Knew he had it won.  And looks behind him (to mock Terol?), loses a bit of aerodynamics, and Terol pipped him at the line.

Welp, another 2nd for Zarco.  FFS, grow up and you'll be an incredible racer.

Yes, but it seems he is scared of winning!!

Good predict with Hayden! He hasn't a good relation with the circuit

What do you say about Marquez? I think he is doing an awesome 2 part of the season

[DredheadV2.0]

Marquez is taking advantage of Repsol money and a rules oversight.  I'm not taking anything away from his talents - he's a future Alien in my book ~ but his ability to spend all that time between races actually TESTING his current bike on upcoming tracks I think has as much to do with his winning streak than anything else.  The rules will have been changed by next season, but for this season the damage has been done to Bradl's efforts ( though I'm sure he'd have done the same thing if his sponors could have afforded it).

It would be interesting to see the two of them do battle in MotoGP, but I don't think they're going to be given a chance on comparable equipment.  Marquez is the 2nd coming of Dani Pedrosa, and will be o a Repsol Honda as soon as he's able.  Bradl will probably begin his career on a CRT and end on a CRT.  Just one of those thngs.

Regardess, I think Marquez has a MotoGP championship or two in his futue.

[tomek]

Marquez is better rider , period , at least he looked that way at Indy .    He surly had not tested at that track before Indy GP and he smoked your Teutonic WunderBoy  anyway. . Your theory is false except for the part of Bradl not getting  good Moto Gp ride .
 
No German has ever done well in premier class , so he is not getting good ride .

 

[DredheadV2.0]

OMG, Tomek actually had something positive to say about a Moto2 rider!  

Are you implying that Marquez actually has talent?    I thought there was no talent in Moto2!  

[DredheadV2.0]

FWIW, none of the Kalex riders did well at Indy; that course does not suit the chassis.  However, Bradl did manage to go from 22nd on the grid to 6th.

[tomek]

FWIW, none of the Kalex riders did well at Indy; that course does not suit the chassis.  However, Bradl did manage to go from 22nd on the grid to 6th.

So it does it suit the chassis or not , your post is not clear on this subject .

[tomek]

OMG, Tomek actually had something positive to say about a Moto2 rider!  

Are you implying that Marquez actually has talent?    I thought there was no talent in Moto2!  

There is no word "talent " mentioned even once in  my post .

Marquez smoked the field at Indy , very consistent rider , downshifts precisely at the same places lap after lap and other things of this nature . He looked very mature in his riding . The rest of the field ? Not so much .

Anyway in case you wonder ,  I wuz there  ,  paid for the ticket so why not to watch Moto 2 race and shear my expert view and correct people like you on STN forum  later ?  

[DredheadV2.0]

There is no word "talent " mentioned even once in  my post .

Hence the word "implying."  Ca oznacza.  

Anyway in case you wonder ,  I wuz there  ,  paid for the ticket so why not to watch Moto 2 race and shear my expert view

What kind of shears do you use?  

So what, this is the first Moto2 race you watched this year?  Congrats.  I look forward to many more insightful posts about the series based on one race.    After that you can tell me all about the BSB season after viewing a couple photographs.  

 So it does it suit the chassis or not , your post is not clear on this subject .

Unlike your posts, which are crystalline.  

[tomek]

Hence the word "implying."  Ca oznacza.     , try better translator next time .  



What kind of shears do you use?  

So what, this is the first Moto2 race you watched this year?  Congrats.  I look forward to many more insightful posts about the series based on one race.    After that you can tell me all about the BSB season after viewing a couple photographs.  



Unlike your posts, which are crystalline.  

Once again , you are sidestepping the issue when someones catches you on inaccuracy or false statements . You are nice package ,  good excellent English , but no substance , no real knowledge , you are seem to be more interested in all that gossip surrounding MotoGp then in the racing itself and technical side of those complex machines .

Now , Bradl  at Indy . He had shitty Friday and Saturday but pretty good Sunday . We all know it was all related to the chassis because you said so . Obviously  chassis had bad start but on Sunday decided to work . I don`t know, pure speculation on my part , but perhaps  chassis was suffering from the jet lag ,maybe it was too hot and humid or it had a period .
What is your opinion on this matter ?


Here is what , most likely , really has  happened . There is hardly any data for Indy for Moto2 teams and recent repave obviously did not make it easier for anybody . As far as the set up there was  lots of guesstimating , but teams with better crew and/or good, intelligent and analytical rider  needed less laps/ time to get the bike to work . It was all about how rider and the crew can use available information . Marquez and his crew performed  much better here then Bradl & Co.
That goes against your theory because nobody gets any additional testing at Indy.

It it just like you and I . You can watch every race multiple times , read all the gossip on the internet  and still be clueless and come to wrong conclusions . Now , the knowledgeable person who understands racing well like I , is an exceptional rider at the same time , needs to watch only one race to know all about any given series .

[DredheadV2.0]

 

Hey I found a translator that might work better, but it adds a bunch of commas and other random punctuation.  Is that the one you use?

Here is the track layout of Donnington Park.



Can you tell me who will win the BSB race this week?  It's shaped kinda like a snowmobile, if that helps.

[Gaw]

Hi,

Do you mean illegal testing? I can't believe that any rider do that in a GP track without a fine after that.
Toni Elias did it last season, and the very next day all people knew it and he was fined.

The problem of Bradl is not Repsol or the testing, the problem for him is that he has coincided with rider younger and with more talent…is that easy. This is the same when his father lost the championship against Cadalora in 1991, Helmut was a great rider but Cadalora was better, nothing more.

If next year they both go to Motogp with a Honda (rumors in paddock say that) probably they will count with the same material, and we will live the same results

Just an opinion

Sorry for my bad English

[DredheadV2.0]

No rider is testing illegally.  Everyone is playing within current rules.  And yes, Marquez is an amazing talent.  Your English is fine.

Having said that, tomek will disagree with everything I wrote, because I wrote it.  

Marquez has had more time on his bike and more time on more tracks because he can.  The rules will change in 2012.  If anyone thinks that a GP rider gettng more time to test isn't a factor in his success, id like to hear why any rider bothers testing at all.

[Gaw]

I follow you, but don’t you think that the great advantage of testing is for learning tracks?

Marquez already knows all the circuits and Bradl is more expert rider (second year in Moto2) and with more years in the circus. It’s difficult to think in advantages for Marquez for training in a few circuits, if he did.

Any case, this is the current rule for testing in Moto2, I don’t see any point which allows training with the official bike in the GP circuits:

1.15.1.2 125cc and Moto2 Classes
Contracted Teams who benefit from  or who have been offered  a
Participation Agreement to take part in the Championship are
forbidden to practice with those machines:
i)  At any circuit between the 1st December of one year and the 31
st
January of the following year, both dates being inclusive.
ii) At any circuit outside the Continental Zone where the team is
based, (Europe, Asia/Oceania, Africa, the Americas), between the
end of one season and the start of the next season.
iii)  At any circuit included in the  Grand Prix calendar of the current
year after the date that is 14 days  prior to the first race of the
season.
iv)  At any circuit included in the  Grand Prix calendar of the current
year during “breaks”, as defined in 1.15.1 above.
The following exceptions will apply:
a) Free practice or qualifying practice at the event.
b) Practice at any circuit after the event at that circuit except during
a break as defined above.
c) Official practice sessions organised by IRTA.
d) Practice by contracted Teams and their designated riders in
those classes, at the two testing circuits designated by each team
(see 1.11.1) which may take place up to 14 days before the race
scheduled for the circuit, but not during a break as defined above.
e) Any activity allowed by the Race Direction.
f) For the Moto2 class, practice at any circuit in the Continental
Zone where the team is based during the “winter 2009-2010”
only.
g) Designated riders who are in their first season of contracted
participation in the World Championship may compete in other
events held at Grand Prix circuits in Europe during that season.
v) Practice restrictions do not apply to wild card riders.