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MV F3 675 - Full Specs Released. Game changer?
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MV Agusta has release full info on their upcoming F3 675 sportbike. Selectable FI maps, traction control, anti-wheelie, launch control, SSSA (single sided swingarm), 126hp, and a 15,000 rpm rev limit!
Is this a game changer for the 600cc sportbikes, or just a higher-tech copy cat of the Triumph 675?
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/11/mv-agusta-releases-full-specifications-for-production-f3-675/
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http://www.motorcycledaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/F3-675_eng.pdf
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Varese, 2 November 2011 – After being elected the “Most beautiful 600 in the world”, the MV Agusta F3 675 is now ready to become the new reference both on the street and on the track. A Supersport that boasts a ultra-advance chassis and vehicle dynamics control that is on par with the most advanced Superbikes thanks to the new system MVICS (Motor & Vehicle Integrated Control System).
The MV Agusta F3 675 is a revolutionary motorcycle offering extreme emotions to the rider on the street and on the track. The three cylinder engine utilizes a revolutionary counter-rotating crankshaft, a solution that has only been previously seen on MotoGP motorcycles, together with the most compact and light weight layout ever seen on a Supersport bike. These are only a few of the characteristics that make the new F3 675 the most sophisticated supersport with the best handling of any sport motorcycle.
The MV Agusta F3 675 engine is the most advanced and powerful middle weight engine ever produced. It is a ultra-compact in-line three cylinder with the perfect balance between advanced mechanical engineering, extremely advanced materials and electronics technology. Thanks to the MVICS system it is the first middle weight motorcycle with Full Ride By Wire engine controls including 4 pre-set maps and one personally tunable map including traction control that can be selected between 8 different levels.
The chassis is also incredibly advanced: studied and designed to obtain the maximum dynamic performance, it was born with the optimum rigidity that offers an unparalleled level of feeling during all riding conditions when compared to the other motorcycles in this category.
The development of the style of the MV Agusta F3 675 was based on the core philosophy that has always characterized all previous MV’s: the perfect balance between form and function that meld together to create an object that is unique not only for its beauty but also for its effectiveness.
The new F3 675 will be available from December in the SERIE ORO version and from January in the standard version with the price, in Italy, of 11.990€ (Every country could have a price variation due to local import duties and taxes) in 3 color combinations: red/silver, pastel white and pastel black/metallic anthracite.
ENGINE
The powerplant of the new F3, an inline 675cc three cylinder, plays homage to the most victorious motorcycle brand in the word. With this layout MV raced and won an unprecedented number of races and world championship titles. Today the 3-cylinder engine has returned in the form of a Supersport with the most advanced technical solutions and performance.
This ultra-compact engine which is both incredibly short and narrow due to the unique layout of internal
organs that only MV has been able to develop. Utilizing a 79mm bore and a super-short stroke of 45,9mm the MV Agusta 3 cylinder engine is extremely over-square and able to rev the highest levels ever achieved by three cylinder sports bike. Ultra-modern, extremely advanced and capable of 128 cv at 14.500 rpm coupled with 71 Nm of torque at 10.600 rpm. This level of performance has never been available in this category on par with the performance of a number of 4 cylinder engines thanks to a 15.000 rpm limit. For the first time ever, a production motorcycle has utilized a counter-rotating crankshaft that contributes to the perfect dynamic balance as well as increasing the lightning quick handling of the motorcycle.
Ultra-compact dimensions, reduced weight and maximum performance: these are the characteristics that make the engine of the new MV Agusta F3 675 the new reference in the Supersport class, an engine that is destined to become the new benchmark of supersport engines. Contributing to the reduced weight and compact design is the application of the “closed deck” integration of the cylinders into the crankcase in a single shell mold casting along with the MVICS system and the use of titanium both for the intake and exhaust valves. Another unique feature is the integrate oil and water system: the pump system (water and oil) is placed entirely inside the crankcases and all of the passages are contained internal to the engine castings offering both performance and styling advantages to the most powerful Italian 3 cylinder ever produced.
ELECTRONICS
The most advanced electronic engine control system ever seen on a Supersport has been designed specifically for this extraordinary new three cylinder. A system of fuel injection that is extremely sophisticated using a two fuel injectors per cylinder coupled with a throttle body employing 50mm throttle valves, a new record for a Supersport! The F3 675 introduces for the first time the MVICS system that allows the engine to unleash a record level of power and control in every situation. The rider can select one of the 4 maps available, or customize an additional map to obtain the power delivery desired. With the MVICS system it was possible to generate a perfect harmony between the power delivery and the traction control which offers 8 levels of adjustment and is accessible through the input on the left handlebar and dashboard interface. This system is incredibly advanced and can be custom tailored by the rider with a series of MV Agusta Special Parts optional:
Vehicle lean sensor capable of reading all of the vehicle inclination data. This interfaces with the traction control and engine control algorithms effectively reading the wheel slip during all angles of lean and then adjusting the throttle opening, spark advance and fuel delivery to ensure the optimal safety and acceleration in all dynamic conditions
Launch Control which permits the optimum performance during starts from stopped and offering the maximum acceleration possible
Anti-wheeling which permits the optimization of the vehicle acceleration
MV Agusta EAS (Electronically Assisted Shift) which allows incredibly rapid shifting without ever having to close the throttle or employ the clutch.
CHASSIS
As always, those who ride MV Agusta’s have become accustomed to having the very best components and the maximum performance from the chassis. The new F3 675 follows this tradition with a level of quality that exceeds most of the 1000cc superbikes on the market. As with all previous MV’s, the advanced frame design incorporates a mix of steel tubing and aluminum side plates that wrap around the ultra compact engine offering a level of compactness never before seen on a supersport motorcycle. The compact engine dimensions left the maximum liberty to design the most advanced chassis on the market with an exceptionally long single sided swingarm that guarantees traction and feedback to the rider. All of this without penalizing the wheelbase of only 1.380 mm is a new record for the Supersport category as is the 173 kg weight. The components, as always, are of the highest quality. The Marzocchi 43mm front fork is completely adjustable as well as the Sachs piggy-back rear shock. The front brake system consists of a Nissin radial master cylinder and Brembo radial calipers and 320 mm discs and are coupled with ultra-light wheels that contribute to the reduced unsprung mass which allows the F3 675 to offer handling never before experienced on a Supersport motorcycle.
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Game changer?
No more so than any exotic car is for a more standard high performance car. 15000 dollars seems to be an extremely high price to pay for what is ment to compete in the 600 class......a 50% premiumn. Not to mention that dealer support for most people would be non existent. Don't get me wrong.....I LOVE the bike, but I don't see it becoming a major player in the real world of 600 supersports. IMO it will be at best an influence on what future designs might include.
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It sure is purty...that's for sure.
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OMG it's sexy!
But for 15K..?
Can get a CBR600RR for 12.5K and a Ninja ZX-6R for like 10K..less on sale probably if your good. But guess if you have money like that burning a hole in your pocket a few K won't matter!
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Quote from: Hambonee on November 03, 2011, 06:42:54 AM
OMG it's sexy!
But for 15K..?
Can get a CBR600RR for 12.5K and a Ninja ZX-6R for like 10K..less on sale probably if your good. But guess if you have money like that burning a hole in your pocket a few K won't matter!
Where did you get that price of $15k? The website still says TBD and they only announced the Euro and Brit prices so far, that I know of... Brit price is £9999, Euro at 11.990€ --- translates to over $16k USD, but MV will adjust to our market.
http://www.mvagustausa.com/web-mvagusta/10_F3.html
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Game changer? Hmmmm....
Thinking back to the various 600's over the years that really were game changers, the most important thing seems to be speed. The Hurricane, FZR600, 600F2, YZFR6 were simply able to go around a racetrack faster than the competition at the time. Obviously this speed tranlated to the street.
Will this MV blow away the competition?
That's the question.
The electronics may be well worth $5000 but are they necessary on a 600?
Sure is a beautiful bike .
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Quote from: Rincewind on November 03, 2011, 06:47:24 AM
Where did you get that price of $15k? The website still says TBD and they only announced the Euro and Brit prices so far, that I know of... Brit price is £9999, Euro at 11.990€ --- translates to over $16k USD, but MV will adjust to our market.
http://www.mvagustausa.com/web-mvagusta/10_F3.html
Just grabbed the 15K from someone above me. So if they adjust 16K to our market wouldn't 15K be about right? I'm sure it's a very round figure at this moment.
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You can't do a straight currency conversion when looking at vehicle pricing from Europe to here. It simply isn't that simple.
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Quote from: kyzrex on November 03, 2011, 05:31:47 AM
Game changer?
No more so than any exotic car is for a more standard high performance car. 15000 dollars seems to be an extremely high price to pay for what is ment to compete in the 600 class......a 50% premiumn. Not to mention that dealer support for most people would be non existent. Don't get me wrong.....I LOVE the bike, but I don't see it becoming a major player in the real world of 600 supersports. IMO it will be at best an influence on what future designs might include.
.... Except you can't do pound to dollar conversions like that. In the UK, the price is the same as the Daytona 675R, which, I think, has a $12,799K MSRP. Assuming (and this is a HUGE assumption) similar, I'd expect to see it under 13K in the US.
Looks like the CBR600RR is at $11,200 as MSRP, so the price discrepancy isn't nearly as large.
I think what stops it being a game changer isn't the price, but the lack of ability to actually see and buy one. MV Augusta's dealer network isn't exactly the largest.
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For comparison, £9999 is what the Daytona 675R costs here and a standard model CBR600RR is £8,900
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Quote from: Cablebandit on November 03, 2011, 07:16:13 AM
You can't do a straight currency conversion when looking at vehicle pricing from Europe to here. It simply isn't that simple.
Dammit. That's what I said, just after what you said.
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Was the 1000cc F4 a game changer for liter bikes? Nope. I think this will be much the same. Pretty, but flawed. It's nice to see someone else besides Triumph thinking outside the box though.
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Quote from: expatbrit on November 03, 2011, 07:28:59 AM
MV Augusta's dealer network isn't exactly the largest.
Yeah really. There are two dealers in my State, which is an unusually high amount. About 30 states don't even have MV dealers, and those that do typically only have one dealer!
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Quote from: Rincewind on November 03, 2011, 07:41:15 AM
Yeah really. There are two dealers in my State, which is an unusually high amount. About 30 states don't even have MV dealers, and those that do typically only have one dealer!
I'm in one of those states, but then -- it also has no population, so I'm not really surprised at all. Very few of the 'boutique' brands are available here, and even some of the common ones have a single, rotten dealer.
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Quote from: Snowdog on November 03, 2011, 07:29:25 AM
For comparison, £9999 is what the Daytona 675R costs here and a standard model CBR600RR is £8,900
That will be amazing if the F3 and 675R are around the same price. That would place it right alongside the 848 EVO dark which is something like $12995.
I bet the electronics package on the MV will be quite expensive. But I wonder, why no mention of ABS alongside all the rest of the techno-wizardry?
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it IS gorgeous, but, to be a game-changer, it'd have to offer a great deal more than what is already available in terms of power, lightness, or some other performance enhancing doo dah . . . .
other than bragging rights and the coolness factor at the local bike night, I have trouble seeing what this scoot will offer than isn't available for less elsewhere . . . .
but it sure is pretty
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If I was younger, shorter, and more flexible, I'd be the first to put a down payment on one.
But alas, I'm 54, 6'3", and too stiff to ride that bike for any length of time. I can feel my legs cramping just looking at it, oh wait that's not my leg getting stiff
Dam thing is dead sexy!
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Quote from: Rincewind on November 03, 2011, 08:13:43 AM
But I wonder, why no mention of ABS alongside all the rest of the techno-wizardry?
I think traction control to the exclusion of ABS definitely makes this more of a track bike than other 600s, which is going to appeal to the wealthy who can afford to crash an F3 at the track.
For the street, a CBR600 with the $1,000 optional ABS is going to be more practical and probably cheaper.
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Quote from: stk0308 on November 03, 2011, 07:32:59 AM
Was the 1000cc F4 a game changer for liter bikes? Nope. I think this will be much the same. Pretty, but flawed. It's nice to see someone else besides Triumph thinking outside the box though.
How Flawed? I haven't read all the specs, just been cruising through the comments in this thread...
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Something I'm struck by is the claimed 128cv -- that's a lot for 675ccs. Assuming the engine doesn't fall apart from hammering the redline, that's a big selling point.
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Quote from: Bruce Bogtrotter on November 03, 2011, 10:20:56 AM
Something I'm struck by is the claimed 128cv -- that's a lot for 675ccs. Assuming the engine doesn't fall apart from hammering the redline, that's a big selling point.
I'm not used to reading CV's, but the spec sheet lists it to 126 HP at 14,400rpm. Triumph Daytona is listed at 124bhp. That's not much of a difference.
I think the selling point is that it's a MV and similar to the iconic F4. Also the selling point is all the electronics, which have not been available on supersports previously.
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Beautiful bike. It'll likely get comments at the local Starbucks, and might even "one-up" the Ducatista crowd...
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MV Agusta F3 675 Will Cost
$13,495
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http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/mv-agusta-f3-675-price-msrp/#more-26111
MV Agusta has made it no secret that it plans on bringing more affordable motorcycles to its product line-up, as the Italian company has simply no choice but to increase its production volume in a bid to attain profitability. Introducing more affordable versions of its already existing models like the MV Agusta F4R & MV Agusta Brutale R 1090, the 2012 MV Agutsa F3 675 and soon-to-be-debuted MV Agusta Brutale 675 are the first bottom-up new modesl to carry this ethos for the Italian brand.
Originally concieved during Harley-Davidson’s tenure and ownership of the iconic motorcycle company, the MV Agutsa F3 was designed to be an affordable supersport machine that would help boost sales to the 10,000 unit goal mark. Originally hoped to be a €9,000 machine at that 10,000 unit volume figure, the strengthening of the euro in world markets, a diminishing of the European sport bike market, and the likely firmer understanding of actual production costs have caused that price figure to settle a bit more upstream with a €11,990 price point.
Though still more expensive than was originally communicated by the Italian company, the MV Agusta F3 675 is priced very competitively against its closest rival, the Triumph Daytona 675, especially in the European markets. How that price would translate to other markets remained to be seen though, but Bill Nation from Pro Italia Motorcycles tipped us off in our comments section that the 2012 MV Agusta F3 675 will retail with a $13,495 MSRP, while the 2012 MV Agusta F3 Serie Oro will retail with a $27,900 price tag.
With the Triumph Daytona 675 costing $10,499, the MV Agusta F3 will command more of a premium in the US market, and closes in on the Japanese superbike price point. Still with traction control and a ride-by-wire throttle coming standard, and wheelie control, launch control, and an electronic quick-shifter as optional items, the 2012 MV Agusta F3 675 is set to be an exciting entry into the supersport market. After a bevy of delays and the old “MV Agusta limited edition” trick, we’re still a bit dubious about when the MV Agusta F3 will actually come to market, though dealers in the US are being told to expect the MV Agusta F3 Serie Oro in March (less than 30 of the 200 Serie Oro machines will come to the USA), with the base model F3 expected closer to April.
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Quote from: Rincewind on November 03, 2011, 11:14:06 AM
I'm not used to reading CV's, but the spec sheet lists it to 126 HP at 14,400rpm. Triumph Daytona is listed at 124bhp. That's not much of a difference.
Hmm, according to Sport Rider the 675R is less than that, and not a huge jump over, say, the ZX-6R. So if the MV came in at 126, that would be substantial.
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Originally conceived during Harley-Davidson’s tenure and ownership of the iconic motorcycle company...
Yeah, keep in mind that, if not for the absolute narrow-mindedness of new ceo Keith Wandell, this new MV could have been built under the auspices of H-D, and available at your local Harley dealer (where, true, it would have been sniffed at by the staff and regulars, and probably stuck in a back corner of the shop, but still--available nearly anywhere in North America). Wonder if that might have dragged a few non-traditional customers into Harley dealers...
Instead, Wandell sold off MV Agusta for a buck
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Re: MV F3 675 - Full Specs Released. Game changer?
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Quote from: Bruce Bogtrotter on November 03, 2011, 11:52:25 AM
Hmm, according to Sport Rider the 675R is less than that, and not a huge jump over, say, the ZX-6R. So if the MV came in at 126, that would be substantial.
The 124/126 numbers are crank HP, and the dyno charts show rear wheel HP. You can expect 113 at the most from the MV on a magazine dyno.
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Quote from: miles on November 03, 2011, 12:45:53 PM
The 124/126 numbers are crank HP, and the dyno charts show rear wheel HP. You can expect 113 at the most from the MV on a magazine dyno.
Thanks.
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November 03, 2011, 02:03:40 PM »
It kinda looks like a better looking version of Triumph's ill planned 600cc 4 cylinder sport bike.
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Re: MV F3 675 - Full Specs Released. Game changer?
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November 03, 2011, 05:26:41 PM »
Game changer?
Looks like the same ol' MV game... sexier, faster, more expensive.
...game changer.
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November 03, 2011, 05:51:44 PM »
It MUST be a game-changer! They used the word "advanced" six times in the introduction of the news release.
It's advanced guys! You HAVE to buy one.
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Quote from: MadOzodi on November 03, 2011, 10:04:05 AM
How Flawed? I haven't read all the specs, just been cruising through the comments in this thread...
My flawed reference was for the F4. Most reviews will admit they are not as refined as the Japanese, German or Italian liter bike offerings. Usually in fueling, and occationally handling. Most reviews I recall say the F4 requires a pretty experienced hand to get the most from it. I don't expect that trend to change with the F3.
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I want one. Of course, I love my Daytona...but this is what I was looking for when I bought it...
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Quote from: stk0308 on November 03, 2011, 07:40:46 PM
My flawed reference was for the F4. Most reviews will admit they are not as refined as the Japanese, German or Italian liter bike offerings. Usually in fueling, and occationally handling. Most reviews I recall say the F4 requires a pretty experienced hand to get the most from it. I don't expect that trend to change with the F3.
It's an MV Agusta. You want refined, buy a Honda. You want a beautiful Italian mistress...
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Quote from: Kootenanny on November 03, 2011, 11:31:20 PM
It's an MV Agusta. You want refined, buy a Honda. You want a beautiful Italian mistress...
Oh, to be clear, I'm all on board for that.
But I also know the limits that presents to the general acceptance of a bike.
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Quote from: Kraz on November 03, 2011, 05:26:41 PM
Game changer?
Looks like the same ol' MV game... sexier, faster, more expensive.
...game changer.
Yes, a game changer. What other supersports have all of these rider-aid electronics available? None. The Ducati 848 has a TCS/ABS package, but not the rest. The CBR600RR has optional ABS, but that's it. The new MV electronics package on this thing is similar to the Aprilia RSV4-R APRC package, which seemed to me to be the game-changer for the superbike class. This MV will have ride by wire with 4 maps and 8-level traction control as standard. Optional will be lean sensors, launch control, anti-wheelie, electronic shifter.
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The price is in the ballpark. I would kill myself on that thing though.
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The price point on 600s is confusing. Just buy a S1000RR for a few bills more. Makes no sense.
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Quote from: Giaka on November 04, 2011, 11:39:35 AM
The price point on 600s is confusing. Just buy a S1000RR for a few bills more. Makes no sense.
Unless you're wanting the lighter bike and the raw power doesn't mean as much? The local track here is short enough that a 600 is faster around it than a litre bike.
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At 441lbs to 434, the CBR1000 looks pretty good compared to the CBR600 w/ ABS.
But, add the insurance hit, and maybe liter bikes aren't such a good idea in comparison.
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Quote from: Giaka on November 04, 2011, 11:39:35 AM
The price point on 600s is confusing. Just buy a S1000RR for a few bills more. Makes no sense.
Cost to manufacture 600cc and 1000cc sportbikes is probably identical. If the market demands the same features on both classes of bikes, retail prices are going to be very close. Both are really fast so pick your poison.
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In related news, MV has released full info on the Brutale 675. I can't wait to hear how it compares to the Street Triple R.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2011/November/nov0411-mv-reveals-finished-brutale-675-7999-in-uk/
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Quote from: DogBoy on November 04, 2011, 12:17:35 PM
Cost to manufacture 600cc and 1000cc sportbikes is probably identical. If the market demands the same features on both classes of bikes, retail prices are going to be very close. Both are really fast so pick your poison.
Which is why BMW has said it makes no sense to enter the 600 market.
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Quote from: miles on November 04, 2011, 01:41:29 PM
Which is why BMW has said it makes no sense to enter the 600 market.
And don't most of the liter ss bikes have power control now (or what ever you want to call it) to allow you to tool around at 600cc power levels? I don't know, after owning two 600s and a 1000 I would tend to lean towards the 1000 for the same money. But as mentioned earlier, either is insanely fast. Pic your poison is spot on.
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Re: MV F3 675 - Full Specs Released. Game changer?
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Oops! How'd that get in here...
Oh no, another one!
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Quote from: Rincewind on November 04, 2011, 05:01:56 AM
Yes, a game changer. What other supersports have all of these rider-aid electronics available? None. The Ducati 848 has a TCS/ABS package, but not the rest. The CBR600RR has optional ABS, but that's it. The new MV electronics package on this thing is similar to the Aprilia RSV4-R APRC package, which seemed to me to be the game-changer for the superbike class. This MV will have ride by wire with 4 maps and 8-level traction control as standard. Optional will be lean sensors, launch control, anti-wheelie, electronic shifter.
It's more of the same natural evolution to put more shit that you don't need on a motorcycle and sell it for way too much.
Most people won't/won't know how to use it anyway...
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What's an MV.........haven't ever seen one in the wild.........
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such a pretty bike...
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The naked version. They are as much fun to ride as they are to look at.
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