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« on: November 29, 2011, 05:59:36 AM »

Any damage to the entropy lab?


http://www.wgntv.com/news/local/breaking/chi-small-plane-crash-lands-into-wooded-area-20111128,0,1352964.story


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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2011, 06:09:03 AM »

Ed -- thanks, bud -- we're fine -- it was only about 200 feet from the lab where the plane came down --

Gotta LOVE the sound of multiple choppers hovering right over your back yard at 4 am . . . . . .. .
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2011, 06:20:30 AM »

Holy shit.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2011, 06:24:20 AM »


Ed -- thanks, bud -- we're fine -- it was only about 200 feet from the lab where the plane came down --

Gotta LOVE the sound of multiple choppers hovering right over your back yard at 4 am . . . . . .. .


Good to hear you're OK.

I read the article and thought, "Ed's just being over-dramatic.  Riverwoods is big enough, it can't possibly have hit bomber's house."  Then I read farther into the article and saw the intersection.  "Holy crap! That IS by bomber's house!"
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 06:28:51 AM »

Serious Question:  Did you hear the crash?

I saw a plane lawndart into the ground at an airshow and was amazed by how silent it was.
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 06:40:35 AM »

I heard the plane fly over the house (Palwaukee, er, Chicagoland Executive Airport, recent hoity toity name change) has increased it's traffic greatly the last few years, and the number of marginal pilots making approaches WAY too low means we don't pay a lot of attention.

Didn't hear the crash, as the woods are thick as hell round here, and with the wind, we wouldn't have heard a thing --

Oddly, they went down a mile from the Tri-State -- lots or room to land there . .. . but I really don't know what caused the crash, and won't try to blame anyone . . .

I'm kinda hoping this leads to some restrictions on the airport's operating hours, though . . .
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 07:24:21 AM »

CEA has a lot of small plane crashes. It is usually during take offs.

How many times has a plain gone down at those apartment buildings on the north side.
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 10:43:03 AM »


Gotta LOVE the sound of multiple choppers hovering right over your back yard at 4 am . . . . . .. .


I have this mental image of Bomber frantically running 'round the house, flushing oregano and other innocent herbs down the toilet....
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 10:47:41 AM »




I have this mental image of Bomber frantically running 'round the house, flushing oregano and other innocent herbs down the toilet....



I bet the plumber is there rite now.
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2011, 10:51:27 AM »

Actually, I was wondering if I still had that flare gun -- it's a can't miss test on the age of the chopper pilot ;-}
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2011, 02:19:51 PM »


Actually, I was wondering if I still had that flare gun -- it's a can't miss test on the age of the chopper pilot ;-}

Roger that...just don't forget that them tracers point both ways...and that helo pilots have "zero" sense of humor when it comes to incoming fire.
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 04:37:16 PM »

200 feet?  That's less than a football field.  Anything land on your property?  Wow.

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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 06:24:11 PM »

Wow indeed. Glad you didn't get a great big surprise, Bomber
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 10:19:15 PM »

 EEK! <----- that's all I got to say.  Glad you're OK.
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2011, 06:24:50 AM »

nothing at all on our place, Dan .. . .the plane clearly came in at a fairly steep angle . . . . . no damage to anyone/anything, actually, except 4 or 5 trees . . . not much of a fire, no explosions at all (cue mythbusters) . . .

Thanks, all, for the kind words . . . as I have been known to say, I am the luckiest of men ;-}
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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2011, 06:53:56 PM »


Holy shit.

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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2011, 07:42:08 AM »

I thought about ya. Knew from the reports I figured it had to be close, just not THAT close. Maybe ran out of fuel?
So glad you both are OK.
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2011, 08:35:25 AM »

thanks, Steve --

my guess is that they flat out ran outa fuel -- the fire department had it controled with one small hand-held extinguisher . . . . I've no idea what that bird's range is, but they refueled in Georgia . . . .
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2011, 09:40:09 AM »

In todays herald.  Yep, they ran out of fuel.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20111130/news/712019995/



 By Lee Filas
Someone on board the Piper PA-31 medical plane that crashed in Riverwoods radioed air traffic controllers claiming the plane was out of fuel and coasting, a control tower audio recording shows.

The call to the Chicago-area Terminal Radar Approach Control in Elgin declared an emergency just before the plane crashed Monday night near Portwine Road, according to audio recordings.

 The recording obtained by the Daily Herald on Wednesday was part of a much larger file at liveATC.net, a forum for people interested in listening to live recordings of air traffic controllers and airplanes in cities across the United States.

The pilot — or a pilot-rated passenger who may have been manning the radio — told an air traffic controller the plane was out of fuel and unable to make it to Chicago Executive Airport in Wheeling.

In the audio recording, a voice on the plane is heard telling a controller, “We are declaring an emergency.”

The controller asks: “Lifeguard 773” — the plane’s call sign — “Do you still want to land at Palwaukee?”

A different voice on the plane replied: “Unable. We are out of fuel and we are coasting.”

That recording could help investigators determine what caused the medical transport airplane to crash, killing the pilot and two passengers and injuring two others.

Chief among the National Traffic Safety Board’s concerns are the weather, the pilot’s background and the history of the aircraft. However, questions also have been raised about whether the twin-engine plane had enough fuel to safely complete its journey.

Two men — the pilot-rated passenger and a medic — survived the crash and are patients at Advocate Condell Medical Center in Libertyville. Both suffered nonlife threatening injuries, officials said.

Killed in the crash were pilot William Didier, 58, of Cedar Grove, Wis., and passengers John W. Bialek, 80, and his wife, Ilomae L. Bialek, 75, both of Streamwood.

The plane was heading to Chicago Executive Airport from West Palm Beach, Fla., where the couple also has a home.

John Bialek was aboard as a patient, authorities said.

Didier and Ilomae Bialek were pronounced dead on the scene. John Bialek died en route to Advocate Lutheran General Hospital in Park Ridge, officials said.

NTSB air safety investigator Ed Malinowski spent Tuesday at the crash site, taking photos and searching for clues that would explain why the plane crashed about five miles north of the airport.

It was headed southeast when it hit tall trees between two homes and then the ground, Malinowski said.

The pilot reported being low on fuel before the crash, Malinowski said, and there was no explosion when the plane crashed.

A small fire was kept in check until firefighters arrived and quickly extinguished the flames. Fire officials said the blaze would have been much worse had there been fuel on the ground.

The plane is owned by Trans North Aviation Ltd., an air transportation company that operates bases at Chicago, Eagle River and Green Bay, Wis., and Charleston, S.C.

The plane had stopped in Jessup, Ga., and took on 165 gallons of fuel, Malinowski said. That model Piper carries up to 182 gallons of fuel.

The plane did not have a flight data recorder, a device often called a black box, Malinowski said.

A typical airplane crash investigation takes six months to a year to complete, Malinowski said. A preliminary report could be ready in a week, he said.
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2011, 10:40:55 AM »

well, there's your problem -- aircraft do not coast very well.

(sorry, too soon?)

sheesh -- my general aviation buddy rails against the FAA and the "over regualtion" of general aviation all the time -- and yet, people with training and licenses figure discover they are low on fuel when the engine stops . . . . . .sheesh
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