Stunter owned by truck

[veefer800canuck]

http://www.fox2now.com/news/kplr-viral-pov-motorcycle-truck-accident-st-louis-121511,0,7688524.story

Video at link. Discuss.

[Justin]

Well the video does not show the guy who got hit doing any stunts at the time at least. And how many times do you need to ask a guy that just got hit by a truck. "Are you alright, man?". Of course he's not alright  

[veefer800canuck]

Oops, video wasn't as I had read. Posted while waiting for slow loading time.

Looks like cameraman got tagged, not wheelie boy.

Anyhow, stay safe, idiots are everywhere, 2 wheels or 4!

[Mr.Black]

Truck ran a red light.

/discussion

[sfalexi]

Truck ran a redlight.  Bad truck.

I still don't think people should be stunting on public roads (at least find an empty parking lot or something), but that truck didn't stop.  

I DO wonder though, that if this video is submitted as evidence, can the guy doing wheelies then be brought up on a separate charge or something for the video of him being stupid on the street....I've heard of situations like that before (video to prove one thing, but clearly showing other illegal behavior and so it's brought up in a separate case)

Alexi

[mugwump58]

So the motorcyclist was riding distracted and wasn't maintaining situational awareness? I have no sympathy for stunters on the street. I was gonna say sorry, but I'm not. Glad he wasn't seriously hurt. Dumbass

[wibornz]

Good speed and hope he heals well.  May his bike be made right.  I shall not cast any stones as I am sure that I have not always rode within the law at all times.  I would hope that if I ever have someone run a red light strike me, that no one would wish me ill will for past discretion's.

[R Doug]

re:  the point of view of the rider hit... That's a sight I hope I never see.

[KodiakRS]

The laws of man are enforced by police officers.  

The laws of common sense are enforced by physics.

[tjhess74]

I DO wonder though, that if this video is submitted as evidence, can the guy doing wheelies then be brought up on a separate charge or something for the video of him being stupid on the street....I've heard of situations like that before (video to prove one thing, but clearly showing other illegal behavior and so it's brought up in a separate case)

Alexi

the answer is yes, very much so if they so choose to.  they may just leave it be since he has plenty to deal with and since the actual accident doesnt appear to be his fault or that the stunting contributed in any way to the wreck.  from what i can tell, everybody had all tires on the ground well before the accident, and even thought the first bike jetted ahead, speed limits seem to be within reason also.  just wrong place at the wrong time...or destiny, which ever you prefer.

EDIT:  I KNEW IT!  when i saw the driver and his reaction to the accident, i immediately said to myself that he doesnt have insurance!  there is a follow up article on that news channel website that states the rider has discovered that its likely the guy isnt insured. in the original video, you'll notice that after checking on the rider, he stands up and rubs his hand down his face and looks off into the distance.  that is the look of 'oh crap, i don't have any insurance, how am i going to get out of this?'  its more than just a look of 'oh crap ive been in an accident'.  as a long time police officer, ive seen that very look thousands of times.  i hope the rider has decent insurance.

[4evr14]

What amazed me were the negative comments following the video.  They are blaming the motorcyclists for the accident even though their light was clearly green.

Exhibit A

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BikeInPrincipalsOffice74 at 11:26 PM December 16, 2011
Was The Truck at fault? Green light is clear. But Read on ... Now, the video, shows, a very serious violation of the law. I cringe as I see this kind of carelessness on the open Highway! I might be wrong? But since when is it OK to do wheelies down a public street? THINK< What speed or RPM is needed to propel the machine on the rear tire? Is this the same as BURNING RUBBER and saying you were NOT speeding? Isn't this Careless and Imprudent Driving? I was charged 6+ points for this in St. Louis County 32 years ago? If it was a video of an assault, wouldn't the Police / Prosecutor pursue this case? I'M JUST SAYING ... The first rider, BREAKING THE LAW, MIGHT have been a distraction to the truck driver and thus, the ACCIDENT occurred to the following rider taking the video! I'm not a Lawyer or a Law Enforcement Person, BUT, You Pay When You Play! Public streets or NOT for games. Not for your movies, text, or talking, PLEASE, do that ALL, Off the Streets, I DRIVE ON! YOU might NOT care about ME, BUT I care about YOU AND MYSELF!  Common sense cannot be taught, you are born with it, or learn it with time ... Hopefully before You or I are in a Wheelchair Accessible Van!

Signed EKV ... (Yea, I was STUPID in My TEEN years [YOUNG & DUMB] and felt In-Vince-able!).
stu klitenic at 10:23 PM December 16, 2011
thank goodness the truck driver was not hurt!!!  too bad the moronic idiot bike rider didnt learn more of a lesson.
Ben Cole at 10:19 PM December 16, 2011

Looks like the truck driver was distracted by the first bike doing the wheelie and didn't see the other one following close behind and ran the light.  No wheelie No accident.

[mugwump58]

Stunterz on the street to that to all of us.

[Joey Stalin]

So the motorcyclist was riding distracted and wasn't maintaining situational awareness? I have no sympathy for stunters on the street. I was gonna say sorry, but I'm not. Glad he wasn't seriously hurt. Dumbass

Watch the video again, multiple times. Pay attention to the left. There is a giant building in the way. As SOON as his vision clears that building, there is a truck there, and impact is inevitable. In fact, he even looks that way as soon as was possible. So much for your theory of "lack of situational awareness." There is nothing he could have done. You'd probably like to think you could have done better, but I seriously doubt you could.

That wheelie was harmless, anyway. Empty streets, probably a Sunday morning or something, was not going very fast, and WAS NOT EVEN PERFORMED BY THE GUY WHO GOT HIT.

[R Doug]

 

[mugwump58]

Watch the video again, multiple times. Pay attention to the left. There is a giant building in the way. As SOON as his vision clears that building, there is a truck there, and impact is inevitable. In fact, he even looks that way as soon as was possible. So much for your theory of "lack of situational awareness." There is nothing he could have done. You'd probably like to think you could have done better, but I seriously doubt you could.

That wheelie was harmless, anyway. Empty streets, probably a Sunday morning or something, was not going very fast, and WAS NOT EVEN PERFORMED BY THE GUY WHO GOT HIT.

Got it. My day in the barrel. Your assumptions are interesting at best. I still refuse to condone "stunting on public streets" .  I take no joy in any rider getting hurt. Glad you had the time to refute the "theory".

[Frankienuckles]

The guy who was hit wasn't stunting at all, just filming and his light was green and he didn't seem to be speeding at all! The dipshit in the truck just ran the red light and hit him, end of story. While stunting on the street is dangerous and illegal (rightly so) it didn't factor into this at all. Watch out, those dipshits (cars, trucks) will try to kill you!

[Joey Stalin]

Got it. My day in the barrel. Your assumptions are interesting at best. I still refuse to condone "stunting on public streets" .  I take no joy in any rider getting hurt. Glad you had the time to refute the "theory".

What assumptions? What theory? I'm going by the video evidence of what happened. What video are you watching, where the rider didn't see the truck as soon as was possible?

[mugwump58]

Your assumption that I believe I could have done better than the rider was hit. Yes the truck ran a red light. Yes the rider was hit. I allowed my own personal experience with stunters to let me post with some vitriol. It'll be OK, breathe. Best wishes for a quick recovery for the rider.

[Mr.Black]

You girls are fun to watch.

[919]

You girls are fun to watch.

 

I would be pissed if I got hit by a truck, that did not look fun.

[phoenix]

Truck ran a red light.

/discussion

that's about how I see it too. Dead red too. The bikes had a green light for as long as I could see.

[Mr.Black]

OK, I have a moment and I'm not on my iPhone.

A) My first post I see as dead on.

B) The stuntah is a tool.

C) The camera dude MAY have been able to dodge the truck had all of his spider senses been focused on riding.

D) The stuntah is a tool.

[mugwump58]

No, no, no.... The video has been reviewed repeatedly and stunting plays no part it the accident crash caused by an uninsured truck driver who ran a red light. This has all been covered. Keep up. This is very unlike you. I'm concerned.

[Mr.Black]

No, no, no.... The video has been reviewed repeatedly and stunting plays no part it the accident crash caused by an uninsured truck driver who ran a red light. This has all been covered. Keep up. This is very unlike you. I'm concerned.

I've been at work all weekend. I know the stuntah is at no fault other than being guilty of being a tool.

Now if he had kittens in a saddle bag.....

well thems be fightin' terms!

[phoenix]

did you hear the truck driver say something like "I had a green, and then the next I looked up, it was red".

wanna bet he was texting?

[Pfloydgad]

Wow, talk about the wrong place at the wrongtime.
 I wonder how many Sunday mornings those guys had done this stunting thing down those damn near empty dowtown streets. I bet quite often, only because of said minimal traffic.
I also think that the rider hit was a lot more interested in getting his buddies stunting recorded then wth his own safety.
But it really was the wrong place thing.
 And how many "what if's" were said after the crash.
What if we had another cup of coffee at breakfast, what if we would have filled up, what if.
And something tells me the suv driver is going make some friends in jail.
Ride safe all, and remember, everyone out there are mass murders.
And please, ATGATT.
Greg

[DrD]

Gosh, have none of you been listening to the voice track??????  

Near the end, the driver of the truck says, "When I looked the last time, it [the light] was green....I didn't have time to stop."

Translation:  "I was texting my friend/girlfriend/boss/whatever while kind of paying a little attention to the traffic control signals.  OK, you got me here -- I was painting my fingernails...."

I don't care if the stuntah was riding a GoldWing backwards, in reverse, with the front wheel in the air.  The driver of the truck was out of control and blew through a red light.  WTF else makes any difference?

[Bogie]

No, no, no.... The video has been reviewed repeatedly and stunting plays no part it the accident crash caused by an uninsured truck driver who ran a red light. This has all been covered. Keep up. This is very unlike you. I'm concerned.

You would think the guy stunting would have caught the attention of the truck driver.   and maybe saved his safely riding buddy a little pain?

[Calabrese]

The laws of man are enforced by police officers.  

The laws of common sense are enforced by physics.

You are correct here. I watched the video quite a few times and the WHITE pick-up comes into view early enough for the rider to have taken evasive action IF he had been paying attention rather than been focused on his buddy's ASS. Lucky for him its an video but may not help.

[Zixxerpilot]

Truck ran a red light.  He is at fault, end of story. Period. End of line.

I don't care if the Guy on the bike was riding a wheelie on a Vespasian, naked, while standing on his seat. He had control of his machine and right of way.

Could he have been more aware? Probably. Would it have helped? Doubtful. Still not enough time.

I also love how everyone jumps all over him over the wheelie in 0 traffic.

When you self righteous types ride perfectly at the speed limit, take corners like a sane person, and never accelerate faster than a Prius, all while maintaining perfect road focus, then maybe you have room to talk.

Reality is not one of you can say a damn thing. None of you obey the laws 100% of the time.

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[Mr.Black]

Truck ran a red light.  He is at fault, end of story. Period. End of line.

I don't care if the Guy on the bike was riding a wheelie on a Vespasian, naked, while standing on his seat. He had control of his machine and right of way.

Could he have been more aware? Probably. Would it have helped? Doubtful. Still not enough time.

I also love how everyone jumps all over him over the wheelie in 0 traffic.

When you self righteous types ride perfectly at the speed limit, take corners like a sane person, and never accelerate faster than a Prius, all while maintaining perfect road focus, then maybe you have room to talk.

Reality is not one of you can say a damn thing. None of you obey the laws 100% of the time.

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[Joey Stalin]

You are correct here. I watched the video quite a few times and the WHITE pick-up comes into view early enough for the rider to have taken evasive action IF he had been paying attention rather than been focused on his buddy's ASS. Lucky for him its an video but may not help.

I disagree with your assessment completely. Maybe an incredibly talented rider who KNEW the truck would be there would have been able to avoid it (in some sort of twisted motorcycle training course that punishes failures with actual impact). Anyone on this forum? Uh-uh.

[Robus]

I disagree with your assessment completely. Maybe an incredibly talented rider who KNEW the truck would be there would have been able to avoid it (in some sort of twisted motorcycle training course that punishes failures with actual impact). Anyone on this forum? Uh-uh.

Who's legally at fault?  The driver who ran a red light.  Where there things the motorcycle could have done to avoid being the victim?  I believe so.  There were three fundamentals that he violated:

1.  Going too fast for conditions.
2.  Accelerating toward an intersection.
3.  Going into a blind intersection trusting that other drivers would yield.

If he had been going slower, and had slowed further approaching the intersection to get a better view of what might be coming around that corner, there's a good chance he could have avoided this one.

[Roadhandlerxx]

Hey , I've been driving around St. Louis for a long time , IMO , St. Louis drivers really , really , suck .  What you saw is typical for downtown .  That applies to both of the parties involved .  K.

[jp]

Ha! Reminds me of a situation way back long time ago...
Me on a bike on highway at speed limit wearing high viz bright screaming yellow with lights on.
Little old lady on side-road pulls up at stop sign, and I can see her looking right at me.
No problem, right? Eye contact, right-of-way obvious, not speeding or anything...
WRONG! She waits 'til I'm just a little closer and BOOTS it through intersection!
Split second decision... Around back, or try to pass in front?
Opt for honking on brakes and going around back.
Would have worked too, if it hadn't of been for the @#$@ trailer she was pulling!
Just ticked the rear lights on the trailer, and sailed off down the road in a sky/earth/sky/earth moment.
As I lay in the road, she hobbles over and starts berating me for hitting HER!!
Cop shows up and he takes stories from both of us.
He turns to me and under his breath says "I should just shoot her now!".
Cool guy... Writes her a ticket for "Failing to yield" and gets me in contact with the tow truck guys.

All is well until the insurance thieving filth scumbag gets hold of the file.
Their response?
"If you had been in full control of your vehicle, you would have been able to avoid the collision."
"We offer 50/50 compensation"

Having anticipated exactly that situation, I had claimed for twice the damage anyways, so got the bike fixed and new screaming yellow clothing.

Still though... I wish he'd have shot the old bag right there anyways...

[Joey Stalin]

jp having never been in an accident with another vehicle, can't you hold out until you get what you want? who are they to be judge/jury/executioner?

[Royal Tiger]

jp having never been in an accident with another vehicle, can't you hold out until you get what you want? who are they to be judge/jury/executioner?

I have held out for numbers I was happy with before.  Usually much higher then their first offer.

I think he knew this was going to happen, doubled his losses and took what he was expecting anyway.

[Royal Tiger]

Oh and to enter my own story my wife was driving down a side street and stopped at a 4 way stop.  As she went though to the other side a car parked along the curb decides to do a u turn right into her passenger side fender and door.  It was maybe 40 some feet from the intersection.  He was in his 80's and treated her OK.  I get a call from his insurance and said their client's statement was she was speeding so they weren't going to process the claim until they did their own investigation even though the official police report mentions nothing about speed and even had the 40 some feet in the officers diagram.  They started giving me the run around about not paying for the rental, yada, yada, yada.  I told her that I'm a certified collision reconstructionist in PA and I'd be happy to prepare a reconstruction with the acceleration rate of her 4 cylinder Subaru Forester SUV that proves even if she left the stop sign like John Force she wouldn't have broken the posted speed limit by the point of impact.  They called back and paid 100%.

[Hardware]

The truck driver ran a red light.  No debating that.

The stunting that occurred seconds prior to the collision looks like it wasn't a contributing factor but the riders looked to be possibly riding too fast for the conditions.

Bottom line: everyone involved in this is a fucking retard.

[Mr.Black]

In court if I was the truck driver, I would say that I was distracted by the stuntah's actions and didn't see the light because of it.

With the right attorney;

Fault - Stuntah.

[Biking Sailor]

If, and I don't know for sure that it has been verified completely, the truck driver had no insurance and was driving anyway (conscience decision by him), as far as I'm concerned he had no right to be driving it on the street and should have the book thrown at him.

I am a little touchy about how much I pay in insurance for all my vehicles and then the only accident a family member has is caused by a uninsured driver and he basically walks with barely a slap on the hand.

Also, IMHO anyone who has wheelied on a public street should not negatively comment on the "stuntah's" actions.  I myself am in no way justified to pass judgement on him.  

[Joey Stalin]

In court if I was the truck driver, I would say that I was distracted by the stuntah's actions and didn't see the light because of it.

With the right attorney;

Fault - Stuntah.

Except that there's no stunting performed that the truck driver could have possibly seen.

[scottzilla]

If, and I don't know for sure that it has been verified completely, the truck driver had no insurance and was driving anyway (conscience decision by him), as far as I'm concerned he had no right to be driving it on the street and should have the book thrown at him.

I am a little touchy about how much I pay in insurance for all my vehicles and then the only accident a family member has is caused by a uninsured driver and he basically walks with barely a slap on the hand.

Also, IMHO anyone who has wheelied on a public street should not negatively comment on the "stuntah's" actions.  I myself am in no way justified to pass judgement on him.  

That's really strange, huh?  The guy with the insurance gets sued and has to put up with registered letters and threats from his OWN INSURANCE company while the dude with NO INSURANCE walks away with a $100 ticket.
My wife got hit on the LIE a few years ago and the guy had no license, registration or insurance.  The cop let him go.  We were all stunned.

[scottzilla]

Well the video does not show the guy who got hit doing any stunts at the time at least. And how many times do you need to ask a guy that just got hit by a truck. "Are you alright, man?". Of course he's not alright  

"Of course he's not OK-Look at all the blood!"
-George Carlin

[Royal Tiger]

That's really strange, huh?  The guy with the insurance gets sued and has to put up with registered letters and threats from his OWN INSURANCE company while the dude with NO INSURANCE walks away with a $100 ticket.
My wife got hit on the LIE a few years ago and the guy had no license, registration or insurance.  The cop let him go.  We were all stunned.

That is bullshit.  Not sure about NY's laws, but if your wife would have said she was injured, he would have been arrested on the spot here.  PA has a 1 year minimum sentence for driving without a license if there is an injury crash.

Now if was a minor collision with no injuries, and the guy who hit her had a verifiable address, then yes he would be let go as the citations can be mailed (at least here in PA).  We would tow the car though.  

[jfurf]

I love reading the instant idiotic ST-N responses that videos like this inevitably receive on here.

DAMN STUNTAZ, THEY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE.

I used to think wisdom came with age. But the more time I spend on this site, the more I just think it makes you curmudgeonly and resentful.  

[scottzilla]

I love reading the instant idiotic ST-N responses that videos like this inevitably receive on here.

DAMN STUNTAZ, THEY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE.

I used to think wisdom came with age. But the more time I spend on this site, the more I just think it makes you curmudgeonly and resentful.  

Lot of old fucks hang out here.

[Rogue]

Good speed and hope he heals well.  May his bike be made right.  I shall not cast any stones as I am sure that I have not always rode within the law at all times.  I would hope that if I ever have someone run a red light strike me, that no one would wish me ill will for past discretion's.

Good post.    

[Rogue]

Also, IMHO anyone who has wheelied on a public street should not negatively comment on the "stuntah's" actions.  I myself am in no way justified to pass judgement on him.  

People in here are riders.  Nobody in here can say they have never broken any traffic laws.  EVERYONE DOES IT!  You don't ride a freakin' sportbike or sport-tourer if you don't speed or do a bit of "stunting" on a twisty road or highway.  If you rode briskly on your favorite backroad that is easily stunting and to most law abiding, square people, that's bad behavior.  If you do NOT ride briskly on your sport-touring bike, then you should just get a H-D Geezer Glide.  What is the point of having a powerful, high performance bike if you don't intend to use it to go fast?

So yes I agree with you.  Some people in here are just too quick to pass judgement when most of them are guilty of similar sins while riding their motorcycles.  

[black hills]

I think it is a pretty easy case. delete wheelie guy form the scene and all you have is a truck blowing a red light and hitting a bike who's rider is within the law? not much to argue  

Or... if some guy wheelies past you and you get hit by a red light runner its your fault???