How important is "modern tech" to you in a bike?

[Rattlehead]

So, how important do you consider tech to be when looking for a bike? Do you just HAVE to have the latest and greatest tech/ features or do you prefer something as simple as a hammer?


Personally, I think I’m somewhere in the middle. I like “high-tech”. It doesn’t scare me to work on it and I appreciate its benefits. I also appreciate a simple machine with few complicated systems to go wrong. I turn my own wrenches and so I love an “easy fix”. A bike designed with “serviceability” in mind brings a smile to my soul.  

I am a powertrain junkie. I love HP. I love an engine that sings instead of thumps, clangs and bangs.  The gentle clatter of a solid OHC setup is music to my ears. The soft whine of a gear driven cams is as soothing to me as waves gently crashing onto a deserted beach. I want an engine that is smooth and precise and yet will put the fear of God in you when you crack it open. I want a modern powertrain that is reliable and powerful. I also want it to be easy to work on. I don’t want a routine oil change to take ½ a day. I don’t want to waste a weekends worth of riding every 6000mi adjusting valves. I want things to be overbuilt, not over engineered (re: complicated for no good reason).

I demand a modern chassis. I want a strong foundation built off of modern materials. Mild steel tubing may be fine for a 5hp go-cart but it has no place in my bike. A twin spar aluminum or an intricate Chrome-Molly trellis frame shall be under me when I ride.
I demand a modern adjustable suspension with adequate travel for most any road (no 1” travel pogo sticks   ). I will be the judge as to how much dampening shall be appropriate. I will make the call as to whether comfort or handling shall be favored in my suspension settings. I will not accept what some engineer somewhere thinks is a “best fit” for all.  
I want brakes that work. 2 in front and 1 in rear shall be their numbers. They should be strong and easy to use (not grabby with good feel). ABS is acceptable, so long as it isn’t too intrusive, but lack there-of isn’t a deal-breaker.

Traction control, wheelie control and other “rider aids” are simply more sensors to go wrong and more unnecessary complication. As a person who always buys used I know full well that the more things that can go wrong, the more things that will. Call me cynical or pessimistic, I care not, but I find no joy in fixing things that have broken.

That’s why I like my Hayabusa (1st gen). It’s modern enough yet still somewhat simple. So far maintenance has been fairly straightforward, although I’ll be tackling the valves soon so that may change my opinion slightly   . Everything seems to be laid out in a pretty straightforward manner though. The engine is a beast. The frame is strong, suspension good as well as the brakes. It’s just been a good all-around bike that is no more complicated than it needs to be.  

[desertxxrider]

+1   When I see some new bikes (looking at the long term service aspect)... I want a short term lease.

[phoenix]

I like fuel injection, I can live without ABS, and after that, I just want "reliable".

With technology often comes "more things that can go wrong". So for me, fancy electronics and other controls are not a selling feature.

[county]

I like an electric starter.

[scottzilla]

New technology adds up to make bikes better.  It's not always one thing, rather the sum of the technologies that make the difference.
For my riding purposes, I doubt technology would have much impact but on the showroom I think it would.
For example, the CBR1000 versus the New R1.  For my money, all the technology included on the R1 is essentially free when you compare prices.  It would be silly to buy the Honda from a finance perspective.

[Thunderbox]

ABS, Fuel injection, multi mode fuel mapping, traction control, bluetooth, automatics and a host of other inovations.  For myself ABS and fuel injectiion are a must have, the other stuff is nioce but not absolutely a deciding factor.

[Espada]

As much as motorcycles are these days, I would like to know that I am getting some useful technology beyond a couple of wheels, a seat, handle bars, and a drive train.

[jay547]

i'm not sure how to answer. my current bike, which i've had a little more than a year, is my first street bike that has FI, liquid cooling, and a gas gauge - and i've been riding since the 70's.

[garry]

I like fuel injection, I can live without ABS, and after that, I just want "reliable".

With technology often comes "more things that can go wrong". So for me, fancy electronics and other controls are not a selling feature.

+1. FI is the only electronic "tech" thing I look for (but not a deal breaker as both my current bikes have carbs).

Light weight, great brakes (ABS not required) and well-sorted fully adjustable suspension is on the must have list, but aren't "tech" features, at least not in the electronic sense.

I don't have any interest in the other electronic aids or gizmos.

[volleykinginnc]

It absolutely must have an analog tach otherwise it's too complicated

[BashamR6S]

I like fuel injection, I can live without ABS, and after that, I just want "reliable".

With technology often comes "more things that can go wrong". So for me, fancy electronics and other controls are not a selling feature.

Thats spot on for how I feel, keep it simple!!
Bash

[desertxxrider]

I like an electric starter.

True but it's not as entertaining as it was in the old days watching people kick start the Hogs.

[dan88z]

I like the gadgets and technology. FI and ABS are pretty much requirements. But things like traction control, tps and some of the other bells were reasons I got my Connie over an FJR.

[BashamR6S]

It depends on which ride your talking about. The sportbike, keep it simple. Sport Tour a few more gadgets would be better, but at the same time it is more to go wrong...

Bash

[bomber]

i'm not sure how to answer. my current bike, which i've had a little more than a year, is my first street bike that has FI, liquid cooling, and a gas gauge - and i've been riding since the 70's.

I'm in the same boat . . . . . .I tend to approach the question from a capabilities standpoint, rather than a features direction (the feature vs benefit dichotomy familiar with sales folks and savy purchasers).

I want reliable, torquey, good handling, powerful, light, easily serviced, in about that order.

My Tuber Buell fulfilled those requirements -- but so does my Triumph Tiger (with ABS).

 

[HipGnosis]

Middle
I started sport touring on a KZ-650 & then a KZ-750.   If I rode in the rain for a bit of time they'd start running rough and I'd have to pull over and dry off the points.  I carried the tools for that in my jacket - as duffle bag was strapped to the seat...  I got good at it, but it was a pita.  
Then I got a GPZ-750.  It had electronic ignition and I've never looked back (other than reminiscing).  I even put aftermarket electronic ignitions in my '67 Chevelle and '67 Nova.  Tech = GOOD!!

My '01 BMW K1200RS had a front brake leak last year.  Because of the (admittedly early) ABS system, it was a dealer service.  They replaced a hose, bled the system and checked the ABS.  During the checking, they found a small leak in another hose...  Fixed that and... found a 'suspect' hose...  
That service bill had me say; tech = ?!?!?

[rgbeard]

I *MUST* have an electric starter as well.  

Fuel injection is cool but not a must.
I've not yet had a bike with ABS.
I've not yet ever purchased a new vehicle.

Given that my daily commuter is an 84 Goldwing and my weekend fun bikes are both 2001 Triumphs (one with carbs, one with FI) I'd say bike tech takes a pretty far back seat in my decision making.

[Rogue]

My current favorite that has it all without going way overboard with electronics is the '12 CBR1000RR.

It has everything required to be competitive:
Powerful engine
Refinement
Great Chassis with the latest fully adjustable, high quality suspension (Big Piston Fork and rear shock).
Light weight
Great looks

Yet it doesn't give the rider too much stuff he does NOT need:
multi-mode traction control--if you need this to control your bike, then maybe it's just too much power?  
ABS - Optional (I think--for those who has to have it--really?  Maybe it's time to drive a car?   )

[spd2918]

ABS, Fuel injection, multi mode fuel mapping, traction control, bluetooth, automatics and a host of other inovations.  For myself ABS and fuel injectiion are a must have, the other stuff is nioce but not absolutely a deciding factor.

This.

[Liquidsilver]

I love all the tech (and materials) that provides high HP, low weight, nimble geometry and low maintenence.

[dan88z]

Yet it doesn't give the rider too much stuff he does NOT need:
multi-mode traction control--if you need this to control your bike, then maybe it's just too much power?  
ABS - Optional (I think--for those who has to have it--really?  Maybe it's time to drive a car?   )

No one NEEDS those things, but they are nice to have. I didn't buy a bike with traction control because it had too much power. It's a safety feature that has only kicked in 2 times- both on curves with gravel that I was already negotiating slowly due to the road conditions. A Kawasaki Voyager cruiser has the same traction control the Connie uses. That bike couldn't do a burnout or pull a wheelie if it's life depended on it, it might have 80hp and weighs 900lbs, so it's not like traction control is preventing a rider from getting in over his head.

ABS- again- a safety feature, not something you rely on for day to day riding. My truck has ABS too, maybe I should go back to my old '71 Dodge van with the drum brakes all the way around?

If you don't like these features, then don't buy bikes that have them, but don't talk down to those of us by acting like those who like them are lesser riders. It's not much different than wearing proper gear- taking precaution for what might happen.

[Thunderbox]

My current favorite that has it all without going way overboard with electronics is the '12 CBR1000RR.

It has everything required to be competitive:
Powerful engine
Refinement
Great Chassis with the latest fully adjustable, high quality suspension (Big Piston Fork and rear shock).
Light weight
Great looks

Yet it doesn't give the rider too much stuff he does NOT need:
multi-mode traction control--if you need this to control your bike, then maybe it's just too much power?  
ABS - Optional (I think--for those who has to have it--really?  Maybe it's time to drive a car?   )

You have your preference I have mine.  I wouldn't give you 2 cents for that 2012 CBR.  But I respect that you enjoy it and I am sure it has merits I wouldn't appreciate.  I don't see how ABS as a requirement for me gets you to "it's time to drive a car".

You need to see the condition of the roads here before you go jumping to conclusions.  To clarify, they use a lot of sand during the winter which does not get cleaned off the road untill sometime in June.  ABS for me is a real advantage when a cage decides to pull out in front of me and the road has sand on it.  Yah I have heard the "practice your braking before you have an emergency" many times.  It just doesn't cut it IMHO.  I want to enjoy riding not be so uptight I hate the experience.

[Liquidsilver]

I would give him 2 cents for the CBR though.    
 
Me thinking about getting one for track use.  

[Kootenanny]

Personally, I think I’m somewhere in the middle. I like “high-tech”. It doesn’t scare me to work on it and I appreciate its benefits. I also appreciate a simple machine with few complicated systems to go wrong. I turn my own wrenches and so I love an “easy fix”. A bike designed with “serviceability” in mind brings a smile to my soul.  

I demand a modern chassis. I want a strong foundation built off of modern materials. Mild steel tubing may be fine for a 5hp go-cart but it has no place in my bike. A twin spar aluminum or an intricate Chrome-Molly trellis frame shall be under me when I ride.

Pretty much with you here, but I don't care that much about huge HP numbers.  To me, a motorcycle engine should have a few rough edges, not be sano-smooth.  I love the feel of a couple big pistons firing a bit off-cadence, providing loads of torque from the bottom right through the midrange.  I'm not a racer, but I still want to wring a bike out on occasion--since I ride on public roads (mostly twisty), this is the kind of power that's useable to me.  Pushrods don't bother me, but neither does EFI.

I do, however, want a lightweight modern chassis, good brakes, good suspension, and modern tires.  I want a bike that'll flow around those twisties without hinging in the middle.

My Firebolt ticks all these boxes.  I've had it for going on 8 years now, and I still love it.  High-tech only where it matters; otherwise simple, reliable, and proven.  And a ton of fun to ride--and that right there is what counts!

[DkKnight]

High tech or not - just nice to have a motorcycle that starts every time, stops well, runs efficiently -luckily my Concours 14 does that.
The ABS, Trac control, Tire sensors and other features are extras that not only contribute to safety but are nice to have on any bike, high horsepower or not.
Not to belittle any bikes w/o some of the tech features - but anybody who bemoans high tech can always keep the bikes from the 80/90's running - the way forward is with high tech like it or not.

DK

[sagerat]

I have a Ural and a GSA, so evidently I am schizophrenic and so am I.  

OK, my only actual requirements are ABS, fuel injection, and shaft drive.  

[919]

I like my EFI, only bikes ridden with carbs were dirt oriented so not much to compare it to other than friends who had to re-jet multiple times through CO while I enjoyed the scenery and never had to pull my tool pouch.

ABS would be cool I think, probably something to get used to but I like the abs in my car.  

I like my bike, next bike will most likely be a dual sport so not looking for high tech on that either.  If I was going to buy a sport-touring or touring bike 'off the rack' than I would be looking and comparing which bikes have what high tech features, and then evaluating if I thought they were worth the premium to me.  As well as posting up here to talk with owners and find out if those features work as advertised.

[sammyseaman]

I ride a Thruxton....

[Mr. Whippy]

I prefer FI but it's not a deal breaker.  Gotta have hydraulic disc brakes--that is a deal breaker for me.  I prefer analog clocks, but analog tach is more important.  I don't need to know if I'm at 5327 or 5416 rpms, just a glance out of the corner of my eye that its between 5-6K.

I prefer air-cooled because it's one less system to go wacky, and most air cooled bikes make enough hp.

ABS is acceptable.  Same for TC but I don't look for them.  Every extra electrical system is just one more problem somewhere down the line.

[maddjack]

ABS,  and maybe some different fuel maps, but I am not willing to pay extra for stuff I really don't need to ride and have fun. Its a Motorcycle, not a SUV. Kpass,  and some of the other crap is just unneeded expense IMHO

[Justin]

I live in CO and travel all over the country, so EFI is a must for me. I have gone from 2k to 11k in a day, EFI is nice.

[Orson]

Moto Guzzi has all the modern tech anyone could ever need:



And that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's no tellin' whut's hidden inside the mountain behind the factory

[Thunderbox]

Yes a wind tunnel and rockers and push rods.  High tech but we love it.  And for those who don't know Moto Guzzi invented the swing arm.

[Orson]

[Fun Dog]

I'm on the simple side.  Reliability is my #1 priority since all I do on my bike is change the oil and lube the chain.  I need the valves to stay in spec as long as possible.

All the new gadgets are for selling bikes, making one bike stand out against another.  I don't think any of the new stuff improves the motorcycling experience...it only limits it.  Think about it.  

Traction control:  limiting
ABS:  limiting
Fuel Map Modes: limiting

I don't need to be limited.

I'm with the OP.  Good frame, great engine, good suspension, that's all it takes.  Maybe the motorcycle companies should put some serious R & D into seat technology instead of blowing it on all the bells and whistles.

[Rogue]

If you don't like these features, then don't buy bikes that have them, but don't talk down to those of us by acting like those who like them are lesser riders. It's not much different than wearing proper gear- taking precaution for what might happen.

I don't buy them because I don't care if they're there or not.

Don’t get your panties in a bunch because you think I talked down to you for wanting your traction control.  Traction control and ABS are nice to have but on a motorcycle, it’s kind of putting seatbelts on them.  Maybe it will save your life.  But if you’re that concerned, then a car would be safer, yes?  

If you’re the type that says, “If it doesn’t have ABS and traction control then I’m not buying it!”, then I think you’re missing the point of motorcycling.  Just pick the bike that lights your fire and forget about all the electronic nanny controls.  If it comes with it, great!  Enjoy.  It’s the same with people who complain about the lack of heated grips or GPS option or adjustable windscreens!  Gee, how about AC and cupholders while you’re at it!  

[Rogue]

You have your preference I have mine.  I wouldn't give you 2 cents for that 2012 CBR.  But I respect that you enjoy it and I am sure it has merits I wouldn't appreciate.  I don't see how ABS as a requirement for me gets you to "it's time to drive a car".

So years ago when ABS on bikes was not around, did you ride anything?

[sammyseaman]

:LOL: I'm stealing that

[Dan K]

I don't buy them because I don't care if they're there or not.

Don’t get your panties in a bunch because you think I talked down to you for wanting your traction control.  Traction control and ABS are nice to have but on a motorcycle, it’s kind of putting seatbelts on them.  Maybe it will save your life.  But if you’re that concerned, then a car would be safer, yes?  

If you’re the type that says, “If it doesn’t have ABS and traction control then I’m not buying it!”, then I think you’re missing the point of motorcycling.  Just pick the bike that lights your fire and forget about all the electronic nanny controls.  If it comes with it, great!  Enjoy.  It’s the same with people who complain about the lack of heated grips or GPS option or adjustable windscreens!  Gee, how about AC and cupholders while you’re at it!  

If you learn to trust traction control on the track, you'll be more likely to push your limits, learning how close you can get to the edge without crashing, making you faster and expanding, not limiting, the scope of your riding.  Just saying.

- Dan

[Rogue]

Never said ABS and TC are bad things.

What I'm saying is must it be in bikes to make them great bikes or worthy?  I guess to some it is and I think that's denying yourself some great motorcycles available out there.

 

[atadaskew]

My current favorite that has it all without going way overboard with electronics is the '12 CBR1000RR.

It has everything required to be competitive:
Powerful engine
Refinement
Great Chassis with the latest fully adjustable, high quality suspension (Big Piston Fork and rear shock).
Light weight
Great looks

Yet it doesn't give the rider too much stuff he does NOT need:
multi-mode traction control--if you need this to control your bike, then maybe it's just too much power?  
ABS - Optional (I think--for those who has to have it--really?  Maybe it's time to drive a car?   )

Actually no.

There is a reason the newest 2012 model is gathering dust on my local showroom floor.  It looks fantastic - yes.  It is light - sure.  It is powerful - not class leading but still good.

So what's the problem?  ALL it's rivals now offer much more for similar money.  Honda has decided, again, to offer less than its competitors but for the same money.

Want the electrics or not, this bike either needs to have them, or be cheaper than its rivals.

I'm sure the next gen CBR1K will have the latest stuff.  Problem is the other mfgs are already on their next gen bikes.

[oldenslow]

Anything after 1977 I'm fine with.      

[dan88z]

I don't buy them because I don't care if they're there or not.

Don’t get your panties in a bunch because you think I talked down to you for wanting your traction control.  Traction control and ABS are nice to have but on a motorcycle, it’s kind of putting seatbelts on them.  Maybe it will save your life.  But if you’re that concerned, then a car would be safer, yes?  

If you’re the type that says, “If it doesn’t have ABS and traction control then I’m not buying it!”, then I think you’re missing the point of motorcycling.  Just pick the bike that lights your fire and forget about all the electronic nanny controls.  If it comes with it, great!  Enjoy.  It’s the same with people who complain about the lack of heated grips or GPS option or adjustable windscreens!  Gee, how about AC and cupholders while you’re at it!  

I'm more in the camp that these features let me push my limits more, but that's all subjective. The Connie is the 1st bike I've owned with this stuff, I didn't have or need it on my other bikes, but it's definitely something that was a plus in my decision to buy this bike. I wanted an ST, there are not any options in that class, and the Connie was the best bang for the buck in my opinion. It most definitely lights my fire, I've never had a bike that after 6 hours in the saddle I look forward to another 2 hours. Different strokes for different folks, if these features don't turn you on and the CBR1000RR is your cup of tea, cool. I'm too old to spend all day on a bike like that. I didn't like being on a cruiser for that long either which is why I went with an ST like this. The extra features like heated grips, adjustable shield, nice luggage were all icing on the cake for the kind of riding  I enjoy.

[Kootenanny]

I prefer air cooled...fins are in!

[JonS]

FI is about as advanced as I care for. Every time I go for a ride, in the back of my mind I worry that the immobilizer will leave me stranded.   It's never happened, but still...
I'm planning to get a dual sport and it will be even less advanced than my 2004 bike.

[keppyou812]

I like mine of a simpler technology.  

I would like the ability to choose the technology that comes with the bike I purchase.  
For example.  In the automotive world since 2008 TPMS is mandated, not optional. And in a very few years electronic stability control will be mandatory.
The results of government interfering and telling us what is in our best interest.  Of course this stems from people not taking the responsibliity for their own actions.
Most people feel it is their RIGHT to be able to drive, however badly they do it.

I still think this started with the lawsuit some idiot somehow won over the cup of coffee was hot, and they burned themselves exiting the drive through. We are rewarding stupidity.  

There is no situational awareness beyond what we are texting on the dam cell phone, while steering with our knees.

[gritsngravy]

In just under 200 miles of riding my Bking today in the mountains on sometimes damp, gravel filled corners I never once thought about needing more tech to get down the road safely.   I'm cool with the frames, solid electronics, bright headlights, decent brakes, pointless ignitions, decent wheels/tires of my current machines.  I do like ABS but somehow have never ended up with it on any of my bikes.    

Hell as it is I still kinda miss kickstarters on street bikes.  While everyone else is jumping through their tailbone to buy the latest & greatest stat sheet popping,  nanny gate electro wonder I usually end up buying the several years old dusty left over low tech bike and still manage to have more than I really need.    

[Rattlehead]

I'm actually pretty surprised by the number of "I like simplicity" answers. I really kind of expected a sport-touring crowd to favor the electronic goodies.  

I do agree that EFI is pretty nice though. I hate the thought of some stupid sensor going bad and leaving me stranded somewhere but it's ability to adjust fueling for wide temperature swings or elevation changes just rocks.   I still like carbs though for their simplicity and their ability to be tuned for nothing more than $20 in parts and some patience ( a LOT of patience in some cases). I have to admit that I got some kind of sick twisted joy out of carb tuning on some of my other bikes.  

[scott19]

I think every bike should have FI. I never want to touch another carb as long as I live (although I know I will).

I also think every bike should have hydraulic lifters and belt drive. They seem like great ideas for street bikes.

Lastly, I think every bike should have dual disc brakes up front. the lack of symmetry on single disc wheels drive me nuts.

[Rogue]

Actually no.

There is a reason the newest 2012 model is gathering dust on my local showroom floor.  It looks fantastic - yes.  It is light - sure.  It is powerful - not class leading but still good.

So what's the problem?  ALL it's rivals now offer much more for similar money.  Honda has decided, again, to offer less than its competitors but for the same money.

Want the electrics or not, this bike either needs to have them, or be cheaper than its rivals.

I'm sure the next gen CBR1K will have the latest stuff.  Problem is the other mfgs are already on their next gen bikes.

AT, I don't see the 2012 Gixxers and R1's flying out of the showrooms of my dealership either.  It's not even the end of February yet.  What does it matter anyway?  They all want to buy the BMW S1000RR because it has the highest horsepower!

I'm willing to bet that most buyers of these machines won't even bother with the multi-mode TC.  They'll just leave it at max power and call it a day.  In any case, if I were in the market for this type of motorcycle, I would choose based on other factors and not because it has all the electronic doodads.  If it doesn't help the bike go faster, handle better, lighter, more efficient, I don't really care.  It's a motorcycle and I spend my time riding it, not pushing buttons and over analyzing whether I'm in the right traction setting.  To me, that's the essence of riding a motorcycle.  

[Rogue]

I prefer air cooled...fins are in!

I'm with you on that Koot.  The simplicity of my Firebolt always made me smile.

I miss her.  

[Rogue]

I wanted an ST, there are not any options in that class, and the Connie was the best bang for the buck in my opinion. It most definitely lights my fire, I've never had a bike that after 6 hours in the saddle I look forward to another 2 hours. Different strokes for different folks, if these features don't turn you on and the CBR1000RR is your cup of tea, cool.

Dan, I understand what you are saying.  Not knocking on you at all.  Doesn't the C14 have a keyless start?  I have one of those for my car, and even remote start.  I have to admit, I really like that feature, along with a host of other advanced electronics features.  

Having said that, when I'm riding my bike, I usually can only focus on riding.  So I'm not really interested in adding any more factors into the experience.  I don't even have GPS on my bike (I only recently discovered it in my car).  So when I tour, I often get lost or make a wrong turn.  I do have a heated vest but that's the most electronic device I've ever had.  I think heated gloves is better than heated grips, or so my friend who owns a BMW with heated grips tells me.  I may add the heated gloves to my gear.  I just prefer simplicity over complexity for my bike because it allows me to experience it all and be "disconnected" when I head out.  Simple bikes can do 99% of what complicated bikes can.  

[Kootenanny]

I think every bike should have FI. I never want to touch another carb as long as I live (although I know I will).

I also think every bike should have hydraulic lifters and belt drive. They seem like great ideas for street bikes.

Lastly, I think every bike should have dual disc brakes up front. the lack of symmetry on single disc wheels drive me nuts.

Funny, I don't see a Buell on your garage list...(must be the single, oversize front brake disc...which I admit, looks a bit funky...).

I'm with you on that Koot.  The simplicity of my Firebolt always made me smile.

I miss her.  

Yes, a bike elegant in design, but simple in execution.   Engine is all it needs to be--pushrods, cooling fins, and all.  Chassis is great.  EFI, sure...TCS, no.  Buell's idea of tech isn't to add lots of electronic gewgaws to the engine to derive that last erg of top-end power (and give the marketing department something to advertise), but rather to simplify and balance the bike--you know, the thing we actually ride.  High tech isn't just circuitry, it's concepts like mass centralization, fuel-in-frame (and the engineering required to attach the steering head safely to a chassis which is also the fuel tank), and ZTL brakes.  And hey, there's something to be said for a cooling system that'll never leak...

[dan88z]

Dan, I understand what you are saying.  Not knocking on you at all.  Doesn't the C14 have a keyless start?  I have one of those for my car, and even remote start.  I have to admit, I really like that feature, along with a host of other advanced electronics features.  

Having said that, when I'm riding my bike, I usually can only focus on riding.  So I'm not really interested in adding any more factors into the experience.  I don't even have GPS on my bike (I only recently discovered it in my car).  So when I tour, I often get lost or make a wrong turn.  I do have a heated vest but that's the most electronic device I've ever had.  I think heated gloves is better than heated grips, or so my friend who owns a BMW with heated grips tells me.  I may add the heated gloves to my gear.  I just prefer simplicity over complexity for my bike because it allows me to experience it all and be "disconnected" when I head out.  Simple bikes can do 99% of what complicated bikes can.  

It's all good Rogue! And I agree 100% that a simple bike can do just about everything a complex one can.

The C14 has a proximity fob, where the fob has to be near  the bike for it to start, but it's not a remote start like some cars have. The key is housed in a "stove knob" which you can't remove it from the bike without the fob being nearby. You press the stove knob down, it reads the fob is near, and allows you to turn the knob to the run position. If it's not nearby, you can't turn the knob at all. There is also an option if you turn it all the way to the right were you can remove the key, but I never do. The fob itself has a spare key that snaps into the housing, I use that one to get into the bags and open the gas tank. Here's a pic of the dash and you can see the stove knob:



As far as the other electronic goodies, it's not something I spend a lot of time dealing with while riding. I can page thru various things by pressing a button near the left grip- tire pressure, battery charge, outside temp, avg mpg, and current mpg. I'll check the tire pressure and battery info when I 1st start going, then leave it on the temp or current mpg. It has an "eco" mode that leans out the fuel map for better economy, I like that. You engage that by pressing and holding the same button you toggle thru the display with. Again,not something you worry about while on the road. The traction control has 1 setting and you engage or disengage by holding it's button. There are 2 ABS modes as well that I'll adjust prior to my ride depending on where I'm going. One mode is a higher linked brake effect that is good for the slab/higher speed stopping. The other is lesser and is better for trail braking on the twisties. I do like to use the electronic windshield adjustment while riding- up higher on the slab for higher speed wind protection, drop it down in the twisties and lower speeds to get more wind in my face. I don't have any heated gear but the heated grips on this bike are nice to have.

It's not always about tech to me. My former bikes were cruisers that had little in the way of high tech, aside from FI on the last 2. No tach, gas gauges that were only somewhat reliable, but a trip odometer that I could use to gauge my range before needing a gas stop. No abs, even single front disk and drum brakes on the rear of some of them.  

[02Tac]

  I would say that in general the tecno stuff has had a negative impact on motorcycling in that it has driven cost up.  I suppose I am one of the few that will say this, but I also feel HP has gotten out of hand for bikes aimed at the general public.  When you have to add traction control and such to a bike to make it rideable for all but a very few, you have simply put way to much power into the machine.

 We have gotten carried away with "goodies". Imagine how much less todays bikes would cost without all the electronic extras.  Aside from fuel injection, I would be very happy with a simple basic bike; like my Bandit. Do I really needs electronically adjustable suspension, fuel maps I can change while riding, X numbers of traction control settings or ABS? No, unfortunately they are not things you delete on most models and as such the cost of an otherwise sensibly priced bike is far more than it should be.  

[Kootenanny]

It's all good Rogue! And I agree 100% that a simple bike can do just about everything a complex one can.

The C14 has a proximity fob...I can page thru various things by pressing a button near the left grip- tire pressure, battery charge, outside temp, avg mpg, and current mpg...traction control has 1 setting and you engage or disengage by holding it's button...2 ABS modes as well that I'll adjust prior to my ride depending on where I'm going

Hmmm...but, all these things you describe are not found on a "simple" bike.  Indeed, they are excellent examples of techy stuff that I, personally, don't find myself wanting on a bike.  "Proximity fob"...what's wrong with a key, which will cost less and will work even if the battery is low?  I have a tire pressure gauge, which needs to be applied manually but won't disable the machine if a sensor goes out of whack; traction control is in my right wrist, and my "manual ABS" won't release the front brake because the rear wheel hit some pavement ripples (like BMW F800ST braking software does...).  The only thing you don't mention is a clock, which my bike does have, I admit...probably a good thing, as I don't wear a watch...

[dan88z]

 I would be very happy with a simple basic bike; like my Bandit. Do I really needs electronically adjustable suspension, fuel maps I can change while riding, X numbers of traction control settings or ABS? No, unfortunately they are not things you delete on most models and as such the cost of an otherwise sensibly priced bike is far more than it should be.  

You found those features, in your Bandit. I found what I like in my Connie. Nothing wrong with either.

The high tech stuff is always going to be available to those who want it and who are willing to pay for it. The thing is- how long will people be able to buy a bike without ABS and other features like that? At one point a single front disk and drum rear brake were standard, now almost every bike has dual fronts and a rear disk. FI was new technology at one point, now it's pretty much standard. Things evolve whether we  want them to or not.

[02Tac]

 At one point a single front disk and drum rear brake were standard, now almost every bike has dual fronts and a rear disk. FI was new technology at one point, now it's pretty much standard. Things evolve whether we  want them to or not.

All true, I just do not like how the techy stuff drives the price up.  If I had a bit of extra cash, L&D has a left over Bandit I would like. Simple and inexpensive.

[KeithB]

I appreciate good design and modern sophistication, but only if it makes the bike work better.  I just got an '11 ZX-10R solely because it is a significant step up in performance and the traction control & ABS seem to be very refined.

Technical doodads just for the sake of having doodads really don't do it for me.  The gee-wiz dash on the 10R got old after the first ride, but I'll suffer through that to have to the rest of it that truly is jet-fighter instead of steam-locomotive design.

I do plan on getting the extended warrantee, however........

[cbsnbiker]

I still think this started with the lawsuit some idiot somehow won over the cup of coffee was hot, and they burned themselves exiting the drive through. We are rewarding stupidity.  

Actually, if you look into the facts of that coffee case, you'll learn that McDonald's really was negligent.

Re the topic of this thread: I also like innovations, and also don't need fancy doo-dads just for the sake of them. I like ABS, and my two newer bikes have it. Other stuff? Guess I'll research it when it's time for me to buy another bike.

[SVTNate]

My Speed Triple is very simple, despite being a 1-year old bike.

No traction control, ABS, or electronic suspension.  No keyless system.  Hell... no gas gauge.

I love it.

That said, I would have no issue owning a bike that had all that new tech stuff.

I look at several things.  Practically, I want something that will fit my needs, and be comfortable.  Beyond that, it had to be fun.  It has to be nimble, make good noises, look cool, overall have some "character" as we call it.

If a bike has all that and happens to have a 5-stage traction control and ABS... fine by me.  I won't shop for those features, though.

[Papa Lazarou]

Simple please. Gearbox, engine, frame, brakes. A few dials-speedo and tacho. A clock is useful.

BMW and the Duc Multistrada are not what I want. More electronics to go wrong? No thanks.

[Thunderbox]

So years ago when ABS on bikes was not around, did you ride anything?

Yes I did.  I would have ridden bikes without suspension but they make that now and I think it's a good idea.  Motorcycles change, some people don't.  I'm with those who adapt to new technology and embrace it.  Some don't because they are reluctant to change just because they don't like change.  I'm not in that category.  I am not trying to talk anyone into ABS or heated hand warmers.  You buy what you like I buy what I like.  There is no point in telling us to drive a car because we like certain new tech on our bikes because we will buy it it it is offered.  The bike companies know that and we are a big part of their sales.

[Kootenanny]

Things evolve whether we  want them to or not.

Not necessarily.  If people don't "buy in" to new technology, then companies won't offer it.  For instance, we often deride Harley Davidson for using "1940s technology," but they sell a lot of bikes (and when they do try to introduce something newfangled, like, say, liquid cooling, those bikes sit in the showroom...).  Or, look at front swingarm suspension and hub-centre steering...Yamaha made that available in the 90s, but no-one bought it, so...

ABS, for example, may be coming--and there may be good, unobtrusive systems available, so people may well buy into it.  But that's completely different from upgrading from drums to discs...ABS is much more complex and offers much less tangible results (ride an old bike with drum brakes and then a new one with multiple discs, you'll notice the difference immediately...then get on one with ABS, and if it's a good system, you won't notice the difference).

Then there are things like the "keyless fob" mentioned earlier in this thread.  This is the kind of thing that offers a very minor advantage in return for complex circuitry and a real possibility of failure, which could strand the rider (just ask anyone who had a BMW with a faulty key reader...).  Some tech is useful and will be embraced, but some just isn't worth it.

[cbsnbiker]

Yes I did.  I would have ridden bikes without suspension but they make that now and I think it's a good idea.  Motorcycles change, some people don't.  

Some people may think that that was a throwaway comment on your part.

A few years back, I had a student in one of my classes whose previous riding experience was on the back of her boyfriend's chopper.

She was *amazed* at the high quality of the suspensions on her trainer bike, which was either a Kawasaki Eliminator 125 or a Suzuki GZ250. We know that the suspensions on these bikes are not exactly top-of-the-line, plus they're usually tired after thousands of miles of hard use on the training range.

It turned out that she had been suffering on the back of her boyfriend's hardtail chopper for years. She was pretty disgusted to find out that motorcycles didn't have to be that uncomfortable. She was glad that she was going to ride her own bike, with real suspension, after the course.

She's not my only student to have such an epiphany about the mere existence of motorcycle suspension.  

[hugerider]

Simple please. Gearbox, engine, frame, brakes. A few dials-speedo and tacho. A clock is useful.

BMW and the Duc Multistrada are not what I want. More electronics to go wrong? No thanks.

I'm kind of the same way. I don't like having more things to go wrong, but at the same time there are nice conveniences that I would like. Logical me likes simpler, Emotional me likes tech. It depends if I'm thinking more with my head or my heart.

[Dan K]

I'll take adjustable on the fly suspension any day of the week, but am adverse to unnecessary (in my book) advances like keyless fobs on bikes...minimize what can go wrong while adding real, usable features.  

Will ride pretty much anything on two wheels, tho.

- Dan

[FirstVtwin]

I ride a Buell...'nuff said.
I just want the following in my bike:
LIGHT and flickable
2 or 3 cylinders
belt or chain drive
GOOD suspension
full luggage

That's it...

[bljakkl]

My 'new' bike is a 2009 CRF230m.  Motard version of the crf230 which is about 1984 spec technology.  Except for the tires.  Really does stick in the corners.
My other bike is my newest dedicated street bike.  1988 Katana 1100.  It has a power windshield and an adjustable suspension.  That's hi tech compared to my 1984 V-65 sabre, or my 86' Concours, or 86' Radian.  I do miss my 87' VFR.  It handled well for an older bike.  I have ridden modern bikes, so I have a reference.  I'm happy to ride an older bike in decent condition.  

[Rogue]

I just found a bike I like without all the Techie stuff on it.

The Triumph Thruxton.  

Koot you paying attention?  

Aircooled Twin - check
Single front Disc Brake - check
ABS - none
TC - none
Tachometer  & Speedo - check

As pointed out, techie stuff costs money.  The price of a 2012 Thruxton:  $8799.

Compare that to a Monster 796 with ABS:  $10.5k

Compare that to a modern sportbike with ABS/TC:  $16k!  Almost twice the price!  

Ok, ok!  That's not a fair comparison as materials and content is way over the top when compared to the top sportbikes.  However, nobody can say the Thruxton is not a great fun bike you can't tour on.    It's old school style that gives you only what you need and what you can enjoy the most.  It's all good.  

[sammyseaman]

I loves my Thrux

[Kootenanny]

I just found a bike I like without all the Techie stuff on it.

The Triumph Thruxton.  

Koot you paying attention?  

   

Couple of years ago, I attended a Triumph demo day with a friend who was considering a Street Triple (great bike BTW).  To fill in time, I booked rides on several other bikes, including a T100--it was the surprise of the day for me, comfortable and just a ton of fun to ride.  Not a supersport by any stretch, but hey...I thought to myself at the time, "I could see myself riding this."

Haven't ridden the Thruxton, but have sat on them and yeah...it'd be on my radar if I was gonna change bikes.  But for now, my bike is a "timeless classic" so why change?

[falconati]

My bikes didn't come with an espresso maker, so I had to shell out extra for that.

[Cablebandit]

No, it's bastardized and weird. Total key, or total keyless.  

   It seems like they went halfway toward a good idea and gave up.

[sleazy rider]

Four cylinders, four carbs , a chain and electric start works for me.  It's done 27k miles in the past two years with minimal downtime except for a coil failure that left me stranded 3 hours from home.  I've added a GPS for navigation and a Gerbings plug for heat and thats my high tech.  I've had FI, ABS, ECUs and all that on previous bikes.  The current bike still goes from point A to point B just as well and only cost me a couple grand to buy outright.  When it dies, I'll do it again.

[tthompsr]

   It seems like they went halfway toward a good idea and gave up.

Or maybe they tried to keep the complexity of the system to a minimum. I don't have any problems with the way the  keyless fob works, I like being able to just walk up turn the key and push a button to start, for me that's one less thing I'm carrying in my hand!

[Cablebandit]

Oh I don't have any issues with it.  It just seems like they should have just used a start button instead of a physical key that stays on the bike.

[dan88z]

The KIPASS system wasn't a concern to me when I bought my Concours. It just happened to be incorporated in the design by Kawi. I could take it or leave it. I like not having to worry about a key, I keep the fob in my jacket pocket and hop on the bike and go, but other than that, it wasn't even on my radar. It was more like "oh cool check that out" and that was it.  I think it does add a degree of theft protection since you can't hot wire the bike, and if you do happen to steal it and ride off, once you turn it off, you can't restart it again. I doubt it added thousands of dollars to the cost of the bike.

I think the Concours is priced very fairly for what you get compared to the competition, and that's why I got it. The ST1300 is 3 grand more and offers less. The FJR is about the same price and has less features. BMW- more expensive but it has some additional things the Concours doesn't offer. Triumph Sprint GT- cheaper, but not even close as far as performance or features. Sport Tourers are usually more high end as far as features goe. When you compare the cost to some of the bigger sport bikes, they are priced pretty similarly.

[Kootenanny]

The KIPASS system wasn't a concern to me when I bought my Concours. It just happened to be incorporated in the design by Kawi. I could take it or leave it. I like not having to worry about a key, I keep the fob in my jacket pocket and hop on the bike and go, but other than that, it wasn't even on my radar. It was more like "oh cool check that out" and that was it.

This is exactly the way I'd look at a feature like that.  It certainly wouldn't have much effect on my purchasing decision.  But I'd be aware that it could fail...and if I was planning to travel a lot in remote areas, I'd certainly give it some hard thought.

[Cablebandit]

The only bad thing I've experienced about the KIPASS system is when you need to start the bike in the garage for some reason and the fob (in the jacket) is elsewhere.  

[dan88z]

The only bad thing I've experienced about the KIPASS system is when you need to start the bike in the garage for some reason and the fob (in the jacket) is elsewhere.  

The only problem I had is one day I had it sitting on the seat while I was getting geared up, and forgot to put it in my pocket. Got back from a nice ride and there it was, still on the seat!

[Kootenanny]

The only problem I had is one day I had it sitting on the seat while I was getting geared up, and forgot to put it in my pocket. Got back from a nice ride and there it was, still on the seat!

Didn't stand up to air 'em out, eh?

I guess one good thing about a "proper" key is that it'll always arrive with the bike (would it be possible to leave the fob at home, stop for lunch, and be unable to start the bike again?)

[Cablebandit]

If you leave it at home after the bike is started it will alert you there is no transponder when you turn it off.  I believe you have about 10 seconds of that warning before you can't start it back up.

The 2010+ models come with a smaller RFID fob you can use if you leave the regular fob home by mistake.  It's easy enough to store under the seat assuming you have a key to get the seat unlocked.

[dan88z]

Didn't stand up to air 'em out, eh?

I guess one good thing about a "proper" key is that it'll always arrive with the bike (would it be possible to leave the fob at home, stop for lunch, and be unable to start the bike again?)

The thing is, I did stand up some, going over RR tracks and things. I was really surprised it was still there- something to be said about the pocket in my Corbin!

You can't start the bike if the fob isn't within a few feet of it so it'd be kind of hard to leave it at home.

[madmanmarz]

I think I demand more tech as I continue to ride, but also some applications demand more tech.

Like for an everyday street bike I wouldn't mind something carb'd like a 250r, or a dirtbike of some sort.
For long distance touring I want Ninjas and Pirates and Lasers and shit.
For a trackbike something sporty and upgradable is fine.
For a racebike I want all the best of everything.

[scott19]

Funny, I don't see a Buell on your garage list...(must be the single, oversize front brake disc...which I admit, looks a bit funky...).




Yes, a bike elegant in design, but simple in execution.   Engine is all it needs to be--pushrods, cooling fins, and all.  Chassis is great.  EFI, sure...TCS, no.  Buell's idea of tech isn't to add lots of electronic gewgaws to the engine to derive that last erg of top-end power (and give the marketing department something to advertise), but rather to simplify and balance the bike--you know, the thing we actually ride.  High tech isn't just circuitry, it's concepts like mass centralization, fuel-in-frame (and the engineering required to attach the steering head safely to a chassis which is also the fuel tank), and ZTL brakes.  And hey, there's something to be said for a cooling system that'll never leak...

I came soooooo close to getting a very nice M2 Cyclone, but the seller and I couldn't bridge the gap pricewise, and there weren't any others around. That said, while I did say hydraulic lifters, I didn't say nuthin' about no push rods. . I was thinking more like the hydraulic lifters on a 750 Nighthawk S. I agree with you on most of the rest of what you said.        

[Kootenanny]

That said, while I did say hydraulic lifters, I didn't say nuthin' about no push rods. . I was thinking more like the hydraulic lifters on a 750 Nighthawk S. I agree with you on most of the rest of what you said.        

Hah!  Think about it, though...it may have pushrods, but the cams are gear-driven (indeed, my Buell has four--count 'em, four--camshafts, all gear driven...)

[Jeff]

I really don't give a crap about being high tech or not. In a bike, all I really want is it for it to move me, both literally and figuratively. I had a 77 CB550 that was a low tech piece of shit. And I liked that bike quite a bit, and kinda wish I had kept it. After that I had at 2008 WR250X. For what it was, it was pretty high tech, although it didn't have all sorts of electronic gadgetry. I liked that bike quite a bit. I now have a Sprint ST. Simple for a sport tourer in my opinion, but with that 1050 engine, all the techno crap is unnecessary.

Electronic suspension, KiPass, is completely not a selling point in a bike for me. I might even go so far as to say it's a turn off. What's so wrong with turning a key?

[Thunderbox]

This is exactly the way I'd look at a feature like that.  It certainly wouldn't have much effect on my purchasing decision.  But I'd be aware that it could fail...and if I was planning to travel a lot in remote areas, I'd certainly give it some hard thought.

And the fuel injection on your Buell could give out also.  Paranoia?  Come on Geoff you are better than that.

[Kootenanny]

And the fuel injection on your Buell could give out also.  Paranoia?  Come on Geoff you are better than that.

Yes, the FI could give out--but the difference is, first: FI performs a viable function, while a keyless fob is a "Gee-whiz!" gewgaw that does not, and second: motorcycle FI has proven to be extremely reliable over the past decade or so, while RFID key chip technology has not (think BMW key recognition units in what, 2009 or so--there were several stories of defective units leaving their owners stranded).  

Hell, if the battery ran down, the FI wouldn't work...but at least I could insert the key and release the steering lock so I could push it off the road (looks like the steering lock on the C14 is operated through the "stove knob," and therefore a dead battery might make this inoperable--just guessing on that, but it makes sense).

Still, as I said, I wouldn't let something like that affect a purchase decision (although, if I were planning to go somewhere really remote, I think I might still prefer a bike with a key, a carb, and air-cooled to boot...).

[dan88z]

Yes, the FI could give out--but the difference is, first: FI performs a viable function, while a keyless fob is a "Gee-whiz!" gewgaw that does not, and second: motorcycle FI has proven to be extremely reliable over the past decade or so, while RFID key chip technology has not (think BMW key recognition units in what, 2009 or so--there were several stories of defective units leaving their owners stranded).  

Hell, if the battery ran down, the FI wouldn't work...but at least I could insert the key and release the steering lock so I could push it off the road (looks like the steering lock on the C14 is operated through the "stove knob," and therefore a dead battery might make this inoperable--just guessing on that, but it makes sense).

Still, as I said, I wouldn't let something like that affect a purchase decision (although, if I were planning to go somewhere really remote, I think I might still prefer a bike with a key, a carb, and air-cooled to boot...).

might as well throw in in a kick starter too!

[Kootenanny]

might as well throw in in a kick starter too!

Yup...I've pushstarted a few bikes...  Hell, I remember when a lot of bikes with electric starters had a kickstarter as well--owned one myself...

But really, this is getting a bit off track.  I think the OP was thinking of things like ABS or TCS when he was asking about "tech"--I mean, some guys might actively look for those things, some guys will avoid them, and some won't care.  Things like a KIPASS...well, I dunno if too many guys would be actively looking for that on a motorcycle...I'd bet most of us wouldn't really care too much, but few of us would pay extra for it...

[Rogue]

I have a KIS in my car.  It's a very sophisticated device and it requires battery power--a good amount of it.  But I digress....I had to push start my VFR800 once when the battery ran out of enough juice to use the electric starter.  I was successful and was able to ride home.  I don't think that would have been possible with KIS.  There is a way to do that on a weak battery KIS FOB in the car but not sure with bike.

I think that a Tech that I would like on my bikes are more 12-volt hook ups (at least two), and an instrument cluster that allows a HUD to be displaced onto a helmet faceshield.  This way, no more looking down at the instrument panel.  

[spd2918]

KIPASS is Kawasaki's answer to the question nobody was asking.  Did anyone look at the C-14 and say to themselves: "I was going to buy a different bike, but that KIPASS is awesome!"

[Cablebandit]

  Did anyone look at the C-14 and say to themselves: "I was going to buy a different bike, but that KIPASS is awesome!"

I believe that was SteveWFL.

[Mr.Black]

Electric start is convenient but hardly modern "tech". My HD had an electric start but it was broken so I am quite good at kicking bikes over.

This is my first bike with FI and I really appreciate it.

I can't speak for or against ABS but can't see it as a bad thing.

I think the one modern thing that I like the most would be the heated grips.

[Rattlehead]

Yup...I've pushstarted a few bikes...  Hell, I remember when a lot of bikes with electric starters had a kickstarter as well--owned one myself...

But really, this is getting a bit off track.  I think the OP was thinking of things like ABS or TCS when he was asking about "tech"--I mean, some guys might actively look for those things, some guys will avoid them, and some won't care.  Things like a KIPASS...well, I dunno if too many guys would be actively looking for that on a motorcycle...I'd bet most of us wouldn't really care too much, but few of us would pay extra for it...

Well, I intended "tech" to mean a wide variety of things. I think the keyless start qualifies per my original intent.  
That is the kind of extra "fluff" though that I really don't care for. Complicating something that can be made so simple (and reliable) for no real benefit (other than the Ooo-Ahhh factor) is exactly what I like to avoid They tend to become expensive problems down the road when a $2 part (a key) would have done the job just fine pretty much indefinitely.  

To the guys that like it though, more power to them. I hope their gadgets give them years of enjoyment.  

[Rattlehead]

.....I think the one modern thing that I like the most would be the heated grips.

The greatest thing since sliced bread, I kid you not.  
They can be added for less than $50 (assuming you know how to wire a relay circuit yourself) and they are worth EVERY penny!

[TracyZZR12]

fuel injection would be my only technological upgrade to the ZZR.