ABS--do you feel a lot more confidence?

[tonyjuliano]

I would say ABS is useful for "some" on the street, just not for me.  

I did not like the lack of feel and control present under even emergency situations.  Like I posted before, the VFR, while a tech marvel in it's day, sucked in regards to ABS (and don't get me started on that "linked" braking mess).  At first I thought it may just be Honda's implementation, but I hated it just as much on the Beemer's I had a chance to ride.

[Husky23]

No, I'm not okay with it.  I'm frustrated with it.  I don't want anyone to get hurt.  But there is mounting evidence that the more we try to protect people, the more they adjust to it and continue to hurt themselves.  This is the risk homeostasis theory in action.

Ding Ding Ding....and we have a winner.

[Ant]

I would say ABS is useful for "some" on the street, just not for me.  

I did not like the lack of feel and control present under even emergency situations.  Like I posted before, the VFR, while a tech marvel in it's day, sucked in regards to ABS (and don't get me started on that "linked" braking mess).  At first I thought it may just be Honda's implementation, but I hated it just as much on the Beemer's I had a chance to ride.

If you can brake "properly" then you can brake the same with ABS. If you're not locking the wheel then you're not using the ABS. Anti-lock Braking System, does what it says on the tin.

[Thundergod]

I don't think a human can stimulate the precise brake-modulation of a ABS system. My system is close to 15 years old, it activates within .001 seconds of the wheel lock and it pulses the brake in .01 sec modulations....I know my "trigger finger" cannot sense wheel lock within 1/100th of a second, or modulate on/off/on/off every 1/10th of a second.... no matter how much coffee I have had.

[Clive]

Haven't we already agreed that a well-trained rider on clean, dry, level pavement, with warning and practice runs, can stop shorter without ABS than with?  I thought the bike rags had already shown that result more than once.

 

[tonyjuliano]

Haven't we already agreed that a well-trained rider on clean, dry, level pavement, with warning and practice runs, can stop shorter without ABS than with?  I thought the bike rags had already shown that result more than once.

 

Ding, ding, ding!!!

I know I can.

[Ant]

Haven't we already agreed that a well-trained rider on clean, dry, level pavement, with warning and practice runs, can stop shorter without ABS than with?  I thought the bike rags had already shown that result more than once.

 

I'll remember that next time I'm on a wet, crappy downhill pavement when someone pulls out in front of me with no warning. After all, we all get convenient warning signs and practice runs before we need to panic brake don't we?

The advert tells us so

[Clive]

I'll remember that next time I'm on a wet, crappy downhill pavement when someone pulls out in front of me with no warning. After all, we all get convenient warning signs and practice runs before we need to panic brake don't we?

Not sure if this is supposed to be sarcasm directed at me, but that was my point.  If you've read this thread, I'm in the pro-ABS camp.

I just wanted to keep people honest, as it seemed other pro-ABS posters were stating that ABS could stop the bike faster than the rider under any conditions.

[Ant]

Not sure if this is supposed to be sarcasm directed at me, but that was my point.  If you've read this thread, I'm in the pro-ABS camp.

I just wanted to keep people honest, as it seemed other pro-ABS posters were stating that ABS could stop the bike faster than the rider under any conditions.

Sorry, yes it was sarcasm. I knew which side you were campaigning for
ABS isn't about stopping quicker, its about stopping with the shiny side up still  

[tonyjuliano]

Not crashing can be very overated!  

I ride motorcycles for the thrill, for the diversion from the mundane.

Please don't take away from that with ABS and linked braking and automatic shifting (not to mention climate control, cd players and navigation).

I'm not alone here, ABS is not for everybody.

[cbsnbiker]

Haven't we already agreed that a well-trained rider on clean, dry, level pavement, with warning and practice runs, can stop shorter without ABS than with?  I thought the bike rags had already shown that result more than once.

 

Yup. It's theoretically possible.

Alas, many riders then go on to believe that they can outbreak ABS in all conditions. That's where reality diverges from optimism and ego.

[Sorthum]

From my perspective, with training, in some instances, non-ABS beats ABS.

The problem is, I don't think anyone can be on the top of their game, in all situations, every single time.  Given the choice I'd gladly go ABS-- sadly, my bike didn't come with it.