Did you know--flashing high beams 112$ fine

[kitkat]

and not for ANY reason, no less.   State trooper Cliff Pratt: "This is not Europe."  yeh...mores the pity, too...

anyway, one more innocuous & potentially useful thing not to do when the pigs are rooting around your vicinity...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/eastsidenews/2003712164_ontheroad18e.html

[Scratch33]

Only two sentences?  KitKat, yer slippin'.  

This should've been a 3 paragrapher at the very least  

[Sport]

"when the pigs are rooting around your vicinity..."

Pigs are they now?  Had problems with police before?

[MisterSmooth]

"Don't even think about using your horn."  C'mon.  Although standard bike horns shouldn't count as "horns" anyhow.


I intend to continue using my high beams for communication, and damn the law.  I'm a rebel!  

[Mookie]

I'd flash em, but my highbeams are on 100% anyways.  I suppose I could Un-flash them  

[JoelCool]

I always thought flashing high beams was a warning for speed traps  

[Mookie]

I always thought flashing high beams was a warning for speed traps  

That's why they probably banned it.  Since they can't ban it just for warning people about speed traps (1st amendment?) they'll try and ban it altogether.

[Nimh]

"Don't even think about using your horn."  C'mon.  Although standard bike horns shouldn't count as "horns" anyhow.


I intend to continue using my high beams for communication, and damn the law.  I'm a rebel!  

I'm with ya.  A potential $112 ticket a couple of times in my life beats slamming into some inattentive left-turning cage.

Flash with the left hand, cover the front brake with the right.  

[goto]

So..... we could have some fun and have a modulator rally there... maybe we could get Kisan to sponser it.
 

[spd2918]

and not for ANY reason, no less.   State trooper Cliff Pratt: "This is not Europe."  yeh...mores the pity, too...

anyway, one more innocuous & potentially useful thing not to do when the pigs are rooting around your vicinity...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/eastsidenews/2003712164_ontheroad18e.html

Kitrat:  The "pigs" didn't write the law and I highly doubt they enforce it.  And I hope you call them pigs when you or someone you love needs them.  

[jimmystartup]

These are the kind of bullship laws that drive me insane. Do our elected officials really think we're so inept that we can't be expected to function as a community when on the road. C'mon... what's wrong with a little beep to let someone know they're sleeping through an advance green or signal when they have a brakelight out. The other day I came up behind a schoolbus going down a divided highway with the red flashers going. Driver didn't have a clue and when I pulled up beside him and honked, he had that "oh crap look what I did" and flashed me the   sign as he turned them off. We're all out there together on the road people, why not extend the courtesy of acting like it and using all available means to communicate.

Moreover, it's the responsibility of law-enforcement officers, not other drivers, to deal with people who have a headlight or taillight out, he said.

Don't even think about using your horn. Per state law, the horn is used only in emergencies. A missing headlight or taillight doesn't qualify, Pratt added.

To hear this guy tell it, we'll all be fine if we just leave things up to the cops. I'm betting the majority of police would rather people work together for road safety instead of acting like a bunch of brainwashed lemmings dutifully following the letter of the law.

 

[kitkat]

Kitrat:  The "pigs" didn't write the law and I highly doubt they enforce it.  And I hope you call them pigs when you or someone you love needs them.  

slowboy, i never needed a cop in my entire life. and neither has anyone--anyone-- i have ever known.  

and another sheep goes into oblivion.... *ignore*

[Bounce]

Bullox!

2 different uses.

When overtaking another vehicle from behind:

In HS driver's ed they use to teach everyone to flash their lights to pass. For some reason someone decided it was "road rage". I bet it was idiot who parks in the left lane and refuses to move right when people start stacking up behind him.  They need to fine the people who fail to move right after passing. They also need to fine those who think "passing" is going 3 mph faster than those folks in the right lane.

When approaching another vehicle going to other way:

Flashing brights: a cop is x miles behind me (where x=number of times you flash).

re: "cop" vs "pig"

get a grip. "Cop" is even used by cops today to refer to themselves. But, when it originated, it was as derogatory a term as "pig" is today. Yet you see copy buying plush pigletts in cop uniforms all the time. If you expect for use to refer to them a "Officers of the Law" then it ain't gonna happen. that takes too long when trying to attach it to other phrases like "fuquin".

[DrMikey]

More heavy-handed guidance from the Mommy State!

These are the kind of bullship laws that drive me insane. Do our elected officials really think we're so inept that we can't be expected to function as a community when on the road. C'mon... what's wrong with a little beep to let someone know they're sleeping through an advance green or signal when they have a brakelight out. The other day I came up behind a schoolbus going down a divided highway with the red flashers going. Driver didn't have a clue and when I pulled up beside him and honked, he had that "oh crap look what I did" and flashed me the   sign as he turned them off. We're all out there together on the road people, why not extend the courtesy of acting like it and using all available means to communicate.



To hear this guy tell it, we'll all be fine if we just leave things up to the cops. I'm betting the majority of police would rather people work together for road safety instead of acting like a bunch of brainwashed lemmings dutifully following the letter of the law.

 

[Mr Sunshine]

Yet another reason why Washington State sucks donkey balls.


Now on the horn thing....what is an emergancy and how do they prove it wasn't an emergancy to you?

[Mr Sunshine]

Kitrat:  The "pigs" didn't write the law and I highly doubt they enforce it.  And I hope you call them pigs when you or someone you love needs them.  

Have you ever been to Washington State or worked here as a police officer?  If not...you have no idea how nanny state Washington and Oregon is.  It's pathatic.

[sLiP n SLIDE]

In Ca-li-four-nia it is permitted for passing.  


21753.  Except when passing on the right is permitted, the driver of
an overtaken vehicle shall safely move to the right-hand side of the
highway in favor of the overtaking vehicle after an audible signal
or a momentary flash of headlights by the overtaking vehicle, and
shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely
passed by the overtaking vehicle.  This section does not require the
driver of an overtaken vehicle to drive on the shoulder of the
highway in order to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass.

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YOU WILL

[Snowbird]

Have you ever been to Washington State or worked here as a police officer?  If not...you have no idea how nanny state Washington and Oregon is.  It's pathatic.

Let me add Cali to the list.

[kitkat]

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"slowboy, i never needed a cop in my entire life. and neither has anyone--anyone-- i have ever known."  
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YOU WILL

It's been 50 years and i'm still waiting...so no, not very likely, sorry...

[Mr Sunshine]

Let me add Cali to the list.

California has *nothing* compared to Oregon and Washington.

[WashCI]

RCW 46.61.110
Overtaking on the left.  

The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations, exceptions and special rules hereinafter stated:

     (1) The driver of a vehicle overtaking other traffic proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken traffic.

     (2) The driver of a vehicle approaching a pedestrian or bicycle that is on the roadway or on the right-hand shoulder or bicycle lane of the roadway shall pass to the left at a safe distance to clearly avoid coming into contact with the pedestrian or bicyclist, and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken pedestrian or bicyclist.

     (3) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, overtaken traffic shall give way to the right in favor of an overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase speed until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.

[Mr Sunshine]

RCW 46.61.110
Overtaking on the left.  

The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations, exceptions and special rules hereinafter stated:

     (1) The driver of a vehicle overtaking other traffic proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken traffic.

     (2) The driver of a vehicle approaching a pedestrian or bicycle that is on the roadway or on the right-hand shoulder or bicycle lane of the roadway shall pass to the left at a safe distance to clearly avoid coming into contact with the pedestrian or bicyclist, and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken pedestrian or bicyclist.

     (3) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, overtaken traffic shall give way to the right in favor of an overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase speed until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.

Number 3 does not make it legal to blow your horn though.  What it means now is that people do not have to give way because you can not blow your horn.

[Mookie]

Number 3 does not make it legal to blow your horn though.  What it means now is that people do not have to give way because you can not blow your horn.

No, it means that 2 laws are contradictory and if you were ticked for either one it would get thrown out.

[Mr Sunshine]

No, it means that 2 laws are contradictory and if you were ticked for either one it would get thrown out.

That is incorrect. The laws do not contridict each other.  One says that if an audioable signal is given to you, you need to move to the right.  The other one says you can't honk unless it is an emergancy.  

So stick your head out the window and yell "MF move the F**** over!"  

[bizarro]

Natalie Portman must be rich.

[forester]

 

So stick your head out the window and yell "MF move the F**** over!"  

I had an Indiana state trooper do that *exact* thing to me in February.  If Karma works, that stupid bastard's either diseased or dead by now.  Another Jack Bauer wannabe.

[Rogue]

What's going on up north?  It's as if they're saying it's okay to be a moving roadblock!

[jwhite518]

What's going on up north?  It's as if they're saying it's okay to be a moving roadblock!

It is! Have you ever ridden in WA? Land of the Left Lane Parker.

[Mac]

I wish they would make it legal to give the guy in front of you a nascar style rub to get him to move over. That would make driving in the cage much more enjoyable.

[hobbes]

Natalie Portman must be rich.

Wouldn't that be poor?

[Rogue]

It is! Have you ever ridden in WA? Land of the Left Lane Parker.

No.  We have our share of left lane parkers in CA too.  But it seems to be discouraged in general, although not always successfully.

[Mookie]

No.  We have our share of left lane parkers in CA too.  But it seems to be discouraged in general, although not always successfully.

Californians do an infinitely better job of getting out of the left lane.  Around here the first thing anyone does upon merging onto the freeway is to gradually (without a blinker) move all the way into the left lane while traveling 30 mph under the speed limit. Then stay there.  The fastest lanes here are the far right lanes since nobody is in them  

[bizarro]

Wouldn't that be poor?

If she were poor she'd stop flashing 'em all the time.

[Mr Sunshine]

The fastest lanes here are the far right lanes since nobody is in them  

When driving the 30' motorhome with a 23' trailer behind me I end up driving down the right lane on 405 alot due to that is my way to the track.

You should see how many idiots never look before they get on the freeway.  Since I'm a big mofo I just keep running.....so many times that car getting on the freeway ends up in the shouldar locking up the brakes...its actually funny now.  

[jwhite518]

Californians do an infinitely better job of getting out of the left lane.  Around here the first thing anyone does upon merging onto the freeway is to gradually (without a blinker) move all the way into the left lane while traveling 30 mph under the speed limit. Then stay there.  The fastest lanes here are the far right lanes since nobody is in them  

Wish I knew that when I was running through Seattle on a timed run. The express lane - what a freakin joke! Next time it's right lane all the way.

[Frantik1]

I wish they would make it legal to give the guy in front of you a nascar style rub to get him to move over. That would make driving in the cage much more enjoyable.

 

[katrider]

I always thought flashing high beams was a warning for speed traps  

Actually, it's better to turn your lights on/off three times to indicate trouble ahead or cop...

[Blissed]

The WA Driver Guide (http://www.dol.wa.gov/driverslicense/driverguide.pdf) states (on p. 56):

Use your horn - People cannot see you unless they are looking your way. Your horn can get their attention. Use it whenever it will help prevent a collision. If there is no immediate danger, a light tap on the horn should be all you
need. Give your horn a light tap:
• when a person on foot or on a bike appears to be moving into your lane of travel,
• when you are passing a driver who starts to turn into your lane,
• when a driver is not paying attention or may have trouble seeing you, and
• when coming to a place where you cannot see what is ahead, like a steep hill, a sharp curve, or exiting a narrow alley.

If there is danger, do not be afraid to sound a sharp blast on your horn. Do this:
• when a child or older person is about to walk, run, or ride into the street,
• when another vehicle is in danger of hitting you, and
• when you have lost control of your vehicle and are moving toward someone.

When not to use your horn - There are several occasions when you should not use your horn. They include:
• encouraging someone to drive faster or get out of the way,
• letting other drivers know of an error,
• greeting a friend,
• around blind pedestrians,
• passing bicyclists, and
• when approaching horses.

The Motorcycle Operator Manual (http://www.dol.wa.gov/driverslicense/motomanual.pdf) states on p. 38:

Horn
Be ready to use your horn to get someone’s attention quickly.
It is a good idea to give a quick beep before passing anyone that may move into your lane.
Here are some situations:
• A driver in the lane next to you is driving too closely to the vehicle ahead and may want to pass.
• A parked car has someone in the driver’s seat.
• Someone is in the street, riding a bicycle or walking.

In an emergency, press the horn button loud and long. Be ready to stop or swerve away from the danger. Keep in mind that a motorcycle’s horn isn’t as loud as a car’s, therefore, use it, but don’t rely on it. Other strategies may be appropriate along with the horn.

Neither of these booklets has a word on flashing high-beams.

Further (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.37.380):

RCW 46.37.380
Horns, warning devices, and theft alarms.
   
(1) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than two hundred feet, but no horn or other warning device may emit an unreasonably loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.

I searched RCW section 46, but could not find anything specific on the subject of flashing high beams. Some interesting stuff can be found though at http://www.wsp.wa.gov/.