Big Trallies are for Wussies

[Johnny Monsoon]

Yeah, this is kind of an inflammatory post, but it is all in good fun.  No real offense meant for anyone.

I was sitting at a stoplight two days ago, on my XX when I see a DL1000 roll by.  My first thought is 'hey, that's a practical bike' to try to explain some of the ugly away.  That's about when my mind started to wander.  For whatever reason I thought 'What a friggin' wuss!'  Why'd I think that?  Because right behind him comes a guy on a XLR.  

The VStrommers, GSers, Tigerers, and Caponorders of the world just can't commit to a dirt bike, and never seem to take their lead sleds offroad.  When they do, it is just downright embarrassing.  I hate riding offroad with guys who have these bikes.  I get enough workout time alone without having to pick up  your bike with you every five minutes.  I can also find plenty of folks to bitch about all sorts of things without having to hear you lament your broken plastics.  When I ask why they didn't just get a more dirt oriented bike, they herald the great road prowess of the 'big trallie' over the 'big thumper' (which is BS, BTW).

So, yeah, if you ride a big trallie, there's a good chance you have a Yukon in your garage and consider yourself a true offroader too... just don't expect the Jeep guys to keep pulling you out; they're not as friendly as KLR riders!

 

[photomd]

...and don't expect the guys on CR's, XR's, KX's, YZ's etc to wait for you on the trail either.  



It's all about the ride, not what you ride...IMHO, yada, yada, yada

So, yeah, if you ride a big trallie, there's a good chance you have a Yukon in your garage and consider yourself a true offroader too... just don't expect the Jeep guys to keep pulling you out; they're not as friendly as KLR rider.

Also you do realize that the support vehicle for Long Way Round was a Mitsubishi Montereo...ie a fourwheel drive station wagon?  

[dlrides]

Yeah, this is kind of an inflammatory post, but it is all in good fun.  No real offense meant for anyone.

I was sitting at a stoplight two days ago, on my XX when I see a DL1000 roll by.  My first thought is 'hey, that's a practical bike' to try to explain some of the ugly away.  That's about when my mind started to wander.  For whatever reason I thought 'What a friggin' wuss!'  Why'd I think that?  Because right behind him comes a guy on a XLR.  

The VStrommers, GSers, Tigerers, and Caponorders of the world just can't commit to a dirt bike, and never seem to take their lead sleds offroad.  When they do, it is just downright embarrassing.  I hate riding offroad with guys who have these bikes.  I get enough workout time alone without having to pick up  your bike with you every five minutes.  I can also find plenty of folks to bitch about all sorts of things without having to hear you lament your broken plastics.  When I ask why they didn't just get a more dirt oriented bike, they herald the great road prowess of the 'big trallie' over the 'big thumper' (which is BS, BTW).

So, yeah, if you ride a big trallie, there's a good chance you have a Yukon in your garage and consider yourself a true offroader too... just don't expect the Jeep guys to keep pulling you out; they're not as friendly as KLR riders!

 

OFFROAD means there is no road. !!!!!!

The GS's, DL's, KTM950's are not offroad motorcycles, they are "Adventure Touring" motorcycles, as in, they can travel all types of ROADS.

Try reading & learning about motorcycles.

[dlrides]

BTW - Monsoon has an excellent point hidden there.

Guys that buy a DL, GS etc.. and think these bikes are a offroad motorcycle, are of the "StarBuck's" crowd.

 

[Albie]

OFFROAD means there is no road. !!!!!!

The GS's, DL's, KTM950's are not offroad motorcycles, they are "Adventure Touring" motorcycles, as in, they can travel all types of ROADS.

Try reading & learning about motorcycles.

Hell, he thinks his KLR is a dirt bike.  

[1moreroad]

BTW - Monsoon has an excellent point hidden there.

Guys that buy a DL, GS etc.. and think these bikes are a offroad motorcycle, are of the "StarBuck's" crowd.

 

No, the Starbucks guys are the ones who buy GS Adventures or Touratech the crap out of their DLs because they might go off road but they haven't yet.  Those that blast down every dotted line road on a map they can find after riding 500 miles to get to them probably have the best bike for the use.

I have a Subaru.  I bought a Subaru because I don't need a Jeep to drive to work on I-405 and most days that's all I ever do.  At the same time, there are some good campsites 10 miles down dirt roads that are nice, and I drive to them with my family at more than 5 mph not worried that every dip and bump in the road will rip my oil pan screw off, something I was forever scared of on my Saturn.

[dlrides]

 Those that blast down every dotted line road on a map they can find after riding 500 miles to get to them probably have the best bike for the use.

   Bingo, that's the intended use for the Adventure Touring bikes, not running offroad.

[Rincewind]

Haha.  I'm a wussy!  

But I have no pretension that my Tiger is a dirt bike, so I am spared from your flame.  

[Johnny Monsoon]

LOL, hey, the KLR is not a dirtbike, for sure (unless you compare it to a big trallie, then it becomes a high-performance desert screamer!).  Alas, I don't have a KLR anymore (maybe a TE-610/510 in my future?!?).

And, I will say that a quick spin through the forums at www.advrider.com will net you a bunch of folks who ride their big trallies in places lots of true dirt-bikers would fear to tread.  I'm just poking fun at the average American, nothing more, nothing less.

I could just as easily have started poking fun at sportbike riders and how they will never likely see a track (the average American, again).  It was just that the DL happened to cross my cynical path that instant.  Frankly, I think the DLs (and similar) make way more sense on our roads than sportbikes.

Where's the love?

[photomd]

Where's the love?

PO is down there. VVVVVVVVVVVV

 

[forester]

Yeah, this is kind of an inflammatory post, but it is all in good fun.  No real offense meant for anyone.

I was sitting at a stoplight two days ago, on my XX when I see a DL1000 roll by.  My first thought is 'hey, that's a practical bike' to try to explain some of the ugly away.  That's about when my mind started to wander.  For whatever reason I thought 'What a friggin' wuss!'  Why'd I think that?  Because right behind him comes a guy on a XLR.  

The VStrommers, GSers, Tigerers, and Caponorders of the world just can't commit to a dirt bike, and never seem to take their lead sleds offroad.  When they do, it is just downright embarrassing.  I hate riding offroad with guys who have these bikes.  I get enough workout time alone without having to pick up  your bike with you every five minutes.  I can also find plenty of folks to bitch about all sorts of things without having to hear you lament your broken plastics.  When I ask why they didn't just get a more dirt oriented bike, they herald the great road prowess of the 'big trallie' over the 'big thumper' (which is BS, BTW).

So, yeah, if you ride a big trallie, there's a good chance you have a Yukon in your garage and consider yourself a true offroader too... just don't expect the Jeep guys to keep pulling you out; they're not as friendly as KLR riders!

 

Ok you fuckin' fuck!    

Sure, the v-strom is not the best off- road, but it is NOT bullshit that it is better on-road than something with DOT or off-road knobbies on it.  This is especially true going around curves in the wet.  The seats on dual sports are not meant for on-road riders, but rather those who stay mostly on their pegs.

Try touring two-up on a KLR, XLR, etc....  Not as good on the road bullshit my ass!  

I off-road for a living.  I am usually in places you couldn't get ANY bike, much less a dual sport...The grand scheme of the idea behind pavement-biased motos is the fact that most roads in most areas are PAVED!  In these areas, OF COURSE they will excel over their dirt-biased competitors.

THAT is the primary reason I bought my 'strom. - so I could run pavement comfortably along sections of road during the intermittent supervision of timber sale contract compliance responsibilities associated with projects that are sometimes more than an hour, but not more than 5 hours away from here - OR in the case of any distance forestry work where it is not cost effective for me to take the truck and fully-equipped LANCE truck camper to a jobsite.  The bike remains my #1 transportation for the mapping of wildlands roads for my private landowner clients up here in the North country.

So, I would say that you had the right first thought, but an obvious bias to having fun running through muck with a bike.

To conclude, if you want a toy to run down a short distance to singletrack or ORV loops on the weekend or on your days off, get yourself a dirt-biased dual sport.

For us professional types who do this for a living, we wouldn't bother.  Why?  Because toys for weekend warriors are not the most suitable bike for the professional.

Have a nice day.  

[forester]

Oh yeah and to make your argument only more shitty than it already is...

In my driveway sits a 2007 JEEP 4 door Sahara model.  Ok, the wife WON it...  , but we didn't opt to sell it but sold the more practical RAV-4 instead.
We had the top and doors off the first week we got it.  It was 48F outside and sunny.  We rode it for a few hours that way.  Check out my review in the off-topic area.  There are already a couple of dents and scratches in our jeep and it's only 2 months old.

My other vehicle is a 1990 Ford F-150 with helper springs in the rear.  It has rust and 208,000+ miles.

My last comment is YOU OWN A GARAGE?  GARAGES ARE FOR WUSSIES!  

Let me know when you want to join the badass club, flatlander.    

[Johnny Monsoon]

Oh yeah and to make your argument only more shitty than it already is...

In my driveway sits a 2007 JEEP 4 door Sahara model.  Ok, the wife WON it...  ,

Hellz yeah!  Thanks for the review on that one too; I thought it was extremely cool that she won it (not sure if I'd posted congrats on that or not; if not... CONGRATS!)  I was wondering if you'd have been so inclined to be happy with it if you'd have actually went out and purchased it yourself though (just from some of the comments you made about it).

My last comment is YOU OWN A GARAGE?  GARAGES ARE FOR WUSSIES!  

I, sir, woefully submit that I am wussified in the garage debate; twice wussified, actually since it is a two car garage.  I simply could not take the bashing from my wife anymore about her new car sitting outside in the Omaha winter!  

Let me know when you want to join the badass club, flatlander.    

It is surprisingly hilly here (and along the IA bluffs just a few minutes away).  However, I'd like to sign up for the 'Badass Club'.  Where do I send the check?

Seriously, you did read my secondary post on this thread, right?  It was just me poking fun, nothing more.  Keep this on the down-low, but... shhhhh... I kinda want an 1150GS Adventure... shhhhhhh

[Albie]

LOL, hey, the KLR is not a dirtbike, for sure (unless you compare it to a big trallie, then it becomes a high-performance desert screamer!).  Alas, I don't have a KLR anymore (maybe a TE-610/510 in my future?!?).

And, I will say that a quick spin through the forums at www.advrider.com will net you a bunch of folks who ride their big trallies in places lots of true dirt-bikers would fear to tread.  I'm just poking fun at the average American, nothing more, nothing less.

I could just as easily have started poking fun at sportbike riders and how they will never likely see a track (the average American, again).  It was just that the DL happened to cross my cynical path that instant.  Frankly, I think the DLs (and similar) make way more sense on our roads than sportbikes.

Where's the love?

Actually, you could compare the Adventure Bikes to the "Offroad" SUV's. How many Hummer owners ever see anything more then a gravel road. I'm betting at the most, maybe 10% of the big trailies ever see anything tougher then dirt roads. Heck, my DL hasn't. Not for any reason other then I haven't had the time. My GS saw some pretty rough single track before I got rid of it, and hopefully I'll be riding the DL in those places soon.  

[Johnny Monsoon]

Actually, you could compare the Adventure Bikes to the "Offroad" SUV's. How many Hummer owners ever see anything more then a gravel road. I'm betting at the most, maybe 10% of the big trailies ever see anything tougher then dirt roads. Heck, my DL hasn't. Not for any reason other then I haven't had the time. My GS saw some pretty rough single track before I got rid of it, and hopefully I'll be riding the DL in those places soon.  

True enough.  Though, I for sure would like to see a VStrom 1000 in place of every ULV (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle) on the road.

I've seen the DLs through some pretty gnarly stuff, but there are certainly better bikes (or less expensive bikes to repair) for that function.  Now, if I could get a DL650 with a minimal fairing (think Dakar style) and laced wheels... Hmmmmmmm  They'd also have to re-route that forward exhaust pipe too....

[Dichotomous]

Actually, you could compare the Adventure Bikes to the "Offroad" SUV's. How many Hummer owners ever see anything more then a gravel road. I'm betting at the most, maybe 10% of the big trailies ever see anything tougher then dirt roads. Heck, my DL hasn't. Not for any reason other then I haven't had the time. My GS saw some pretty rough single track before I got rid of it, and hopefully I'll be riding the DL in those places soon.  

no, no you really can't make that comparison.  these bikes do not have huge weights and huge engines and use 2-3x more gas than their other bike counterparts.  for example, the DL's have the same motors (actually down on power and up on gasmilage) than their SV brothers, and the SV's are not sportbikes either so the comparison between a regular car (we'll call it a civic cause thats pretty normal) and an SUV (we'll call it a ford exploder cause thats about normal too), you'll get less than 20mpg with the 'asploder that CAN go offroad as long as there is kinda a trail, you will get twice that with the civic which doesnt even pretend to handle any trail.  Although when you get down to it the naked SV is better off road (per online reports) than the DL because there's nothing up front to obscure the veiw and it weighs a LOT less and is closer to the ground...
anyways I though the KTM 950sm was supposed to be pretty goood offroad, same as the BMW hp2

[thatguy]

Actually, you could compare the Adventure Bikes to the "Offroad" SUV's. How many Hummer owners ever see anything more then a gravel road. I'm betting at the most, maybe 10% of the big trailies ever see anything tougher then dirt roads. Heck, my DL hasn't. Not for any reason other then I haven't had the time. My GS saw some pretty rough single track before I got rid of it, and hopefully I'll be riding the DL in those places soon.  

Not all of them................................... ... But then again my Tuono has probably been nastier places than most Adv. bikes.I have a habit of exploring new places.

[Mac]

That pic doesn't look like it'll have a happy ending.

[thatguy]

Sure it does.I don't have the exit 'cause he quit taking pics when I didn't get stuck.Here's what I do have.I actually have an entire sequence up to this photo.

[RideWV]

Too many negative threads can be a bummer and the last thing motorcycling needs is more division.  But, when it's taken lightly enough, stirring the pot can be entertaining.  So...

Dirt bikes are toys, unless you happen to be a professional racer or possibly own a ranch with no roads.

Big Trailies can be practical replacements for automobiles.  Sure, there are those who buy GSADVs and put TKC80s on them to go Starbucks, those are just really big toys.

James  

[sagerat]

I've always viewed my GS as just a giant standard mc or perhaps a UGM (Universal German Motorcycle) and it's admittedly had about 200 miles of gravel roads beneath its tires for the 20K on the clock.

I'm not a wussie, I'm just prudent.  

Impressive pics of the Jeep Liberty, BTW.  

[DogBoy]

Yeah, this is kind of an inflammatory post, but it is all in good fun.  No real offense meant for anyone.

I was sitting at a stoplight two days ago, on my XX when I see a DL1000 roll by.  My first thought is 'hey, that's a practical bike' to try to explain some of the ugly away.  That's about when my mind started to wander.  For whatever reason I thought 'What a friggin' wuss!'  Why'd I think that?  Because right behind him comes a guy on a XLR.  

The VStrommers, GSers, Tigerers, and Caponorders of the world just can't commit to a dirt bike, and never seem to take their lead sleds offroad.  When they do, it is just downright embarrassing.  I hate riding offroad with guys who have these bikes.  I get enough workout time alone without having to pick up  your bike with you every five minutes.  I can also find plenty of folks to bitch about all sorts of things without having to hear you lament your broken plastics.  When I ask why they didn't just get a more dirt oriented bike, they herald the great road prowess of the 'big trallie' over the 'big thumper' (which is BS, BTW).

So, yeah, if you ride a big trallie, there's a good chance you have a Yukon in your garage and consider yourself a true offroader too... just don't expect the Jeep guys to keep pulling you out; they're not as friendly as KLR riders!

 

Keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel superior. Surely, that is the path to enlightenment.

[Johnny Monsoon]

Keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel superior. Surely, that is the path to enlightenment.

[Yoda] Enlightenment you will find, after the entire thread you read! [/Yoda].

[bizarro]

All I know about big trailees is that I detest the R1150GS. It wasn't comfortable and I quickly found it's performance limitations and the motor was tractor-like at best (though it plowed through giant puddles and up muddy inclines admirably). And it was fecking HUGE. If I were to get another big trailee (about as likely to happen as me voting for a republican) it'd be a KTM 950 Adventure. After riding Holeshot's I had a new appreciation for that type of bike and the motor in that thing was stonking.

[LordSmoke]

Well, I have a "big" traillie: a DL650 - smaller engine, same frame as the DL1K. I have no fantasies of taking it off road other than an unpaved driveway or whatnot, but for my size and riding it is very nearly the perfect bike.

[Johnny Monsoon]

Hey, you guys are all confused... I never said the bikes were wussies...  

[Guy]

Hey Johnny, I noticed you decided to post this when the DenMother was out and about. Your gonna get it from her when she gets baaaack!  

[RideWV]

I was sitting at a stoplight two days ago, when I see an XX roll by.  My first thought is 'hey, that's a practical bike' to try to explain some of the ugly away.  That's about when my mind started to wander.  For whatever reason I thought 'What a friggin' wuss!'  Why'd I think that?  Because right behind him comes a guy on an Aprilia RS250.

All in good fun.
James

[SWriverstone]

Well...I've already admitted I'm a sucky (at best) dirtbiker...but...

I've ridden my KLR 150 miles down interstates and paved county roads...then rode it for 30 miles up over the mountains on national forest fire roads (that often devolved into rocky double-track).

Then I popped out on pavement and rode 150 miles home.

Can't do that on anything BUT a big trailie!   (Yeah, sure you can ride a sportbike on those fire roads, but you won't enjoy it...just like you won't enjoy100 miles on the interstate on your 250cc dirtbike (if it's even street-legal).

Scott

[Johnny Monsoon]

Well...I've already admitted I'm a sucky (at best) dirtbiker...but...

I've ridden my KLR 150 miles down interstates and paved county roads...then rode it for 30 miles up over the mountains on national forest fire roads (that often devolved into rocky double-track).

Then I popped out on pavement and rode 150 miles home.

Can't do that on anything BUT a big trailie!   (Yeah, sure you can ride a sportbike on those fire roads, but you won't enjoy it...just like you won't enjoy100 miles on the interstate on your 250cc dirtbike (if it's even street-legal).

Scott

The  KLR isn't a big trallie, it's a big thumper.  Worlds of difference (you know this!).  And you make my point exactly.  You always rawk!

[Johnny Monsoon]

I was sitting at a stoplight two days ago, when I see an XX roll by.  My first thought is 'hey, that's a practical bike' to try to explain some of the ugly away.  That's about when my mind started to wander.  For whatever reason I thought 'What a friggin' wuss!'  Why'd I think that?  Because right behind him comes a guy on an Aprilia RS250.

All in good fun.
James

LOL!  It has honestly taken me some time to appreciate the looks of my XX.  Honestly.  I think it has a big schnoz.  If you look at it from the right angles though (and thankfully, there are plenty) it hides that huge beak and makes the bike look more graceful.  I still can't explain it away though, so you've already got me beat.  You winned me!

The XX is for wussies.  I readily admit I've only top-ended that bike a couple of times and won't likely do it again (I mistrust the tire's ability to stay together at those speeds, or birds to stay put, or turtles to keep of the road...).  But you're right, it isn't a good commuter bike (shhhh, don't tell the XX forum about that, they'll get all worked up again) and it isn't all that practical.  

I seriously hope no one here really took any of this as more than extremely light ribbing.  As I'd said before, not only do I think the majority of bikes in the US should be 'big Trallies' but that they make one helluva lot more sense than sportbikes.  I'll even admit to wanting a couple of them!

[RideWV]

In all seriousness, I love the XX including the looks.  I think it's understated and purposeful.  It's also famously bulletproof.

But the point is, riding a land speed record type bike, even though it's a great commuter, as a commuter is no different than riding a ride-the-world type bike as one.  That is if you were making an anti-poser rant.  I'm actually not really clear what your rant is, I'm just being a post ho, lol.

I used to be terrified so much of ever being called a poser that all I wanted was a Nighthawk 750 (all time least poser bike).  Oh, and my last dual sport was an old XLR, kick start only.

James

[Johnny Monsoon]

In all seriousness, I love the XX including the looks.  I think it's understated and purposeful.  It's also famously bulletproof.

But the point is, riding a land speed record type bike, even though it's a great commuter, as a commuter is no different than riding a ride-the-world type bike as one.  That is if you were making an anti-poser rant.  I'm actually not really clear what your rant is, I'm just being a post ho, lol.

I used to be terrified so much of ever being called a poser that all I wanted was a Nighthawk 750 (all time least poser bike).  Oh, and my last dual sport was an old XLR, kick start only.

James

LOL, I don't even know what my rant was!  LOL, I was just having some fun; and dirt guys usually have thicker skin.  I forget sometimes this isn't adventure rider.  

I do agree that the XX is absolutely overkill, but the reason I bought that bike was that legendary reliability you mentioned; and I figured it wouldn't leave me wanting for power (does everyone get that sickness or is it just me?).  It was also a huge departure from the KLR that shared a garage for a while.  Those two bikes proved an outstanding combination, and I do lament the loss of the KLR.

I still think it has a big schnoz though....

[XLR8]

I'm possibly getting a 990 next year but I'll keep my 610.

Can I still be a man please?  

 

 

[XLR8]

And, I will say that a quick spin through the forums at www.advrider.com will net you a bunch of folks who ride their big trallies in places lots of true dirt-bikers would fear to tread.  I'm just poking fun at the average American, nothing more, nothing less.

Where's the love?

I thought it was pretty damn funny. I read it last night and left it open in my browser so I could come back and play this morning.

Good work.  


One more thing. Those frackin vstroms are nothing more than a pile of warm plastic. Take that!

[Johnny Monsoon]

I'm possibly getting a 990 next year but I'll keep my 610.

Can I still be a man please?  

 

 

Only if you make it to the National today or tomorrow.  If not, your man-status will be up for review...  

[XLR8]

Only if you make it to the National today or tomorrow.  If not, your man-status will be up for review...  

I went part of the way? But I had to turn off at w. Yellowstone.  

[hig4s]

looks like a pretty serious dirt bike to me  

http://www.ktmusa.com/fileadmin/swf/productspecials/uploads/950-Super-Enduro-R_01.jpg

[forester]

 I was wondering if you'd have been so inclined to be happy with it if you'd have actually went out and purchased it yourself though (just from some of the comments you made about it).

Not meaning to hijack here, because this is actually a pretty funny thread - but I'll reply 'cause it might shine some lights on some things...  To be completely honest with you, we wouldn't have purchased a jeep.  We just bought the Rav in 05' for the wife.  We didn't have the $29k to throw on a new jeep like this.  It's cool as hell, it's REALLY fun, but the Rav was more practical in every way.  My wife could drive the rav easier than the jeep.  Both my wife and I have had experience with several jeeps in the past:(one of her ex-b/f''s had a CJ5, she owned a YJ8 later, I owned a CJ7 and one of my ex-g/f's had a YJ8. ) we always loved 'em, and the timing was right.

Jeeps are just pure fun and a serious utility vehicle, but man they still lack some design changes particularly to the whimpy new mini-van engine powering it and the dash environment is a wreck.  They must be in cahoots with bestop or something, because a kindergartener could do better placing cigar lighters in decent location, equipping reasonably sized cupholders, and placing some actual lockable storage that will hold something substantial... not to mention that soft doors aren't available for it, so we're stuck with hard doors either being stored at home or kept on ('cause they sure as hell won't fit in the back!)

I, sir, woefully submit that I am wussified in the garage debate; twice wussified, actually since it is a two car garage.  I simply could not take the bashing from my wife anymore about her new car sitting outside in the Omaha winter!

Winter sucks here.  I wish I had a garage!  

It is surprisingly hilly here (and along the IA bluffs just a few minutes away).  However, I'd like to sign up for the 'Badass Club'.  Where do I send the check?

Seriously, you did read my secondary post on this thread, right?  It was just me poking fun, nothing more.  Keep this on the down-low, but... shhhhh... I kinda want an 1150GS Adventure... shhhhhhh

 I've been all over the Midwest - the "flatlander" is just a hillbilly term to suit the same fun as your thread started out.  You are welcome to send checks to me (I'm getting broker by the minute   )....our economy is in the pits here.

[Johnny Monsoon]

I went part of the way? But I had to turn off at w. Yellowstone.  

Fine.  Partial man status-on-probation returned.  This is on the presumption, of course, that the bike actually left a paved road...    

[stromgal]

Hi, my name is bj, and I'm a WUSS. I rode my ugly V-Strom 10,000 miles in the last month, and only a small portion of that was gravel.

With three Givi bags and a full complement of camping gear, off-pavementing by myself was not at all desired. Did I mention that I'm a WUSS?  

(great meeting you in Custer, JM.)

[Johnny Monsoon]

Hi, my name is bj, and I'm a WUSS. I rode my ugly V-Strom 10,000 miles in the last month, and only a small portion of that was gravel.

With three Givi bags and a full complement of camping gear, off-pavementing by myself was not at all desired. Did I mention that I'm a WUSS?  

(great meeting you in Custer, JM.)

Maybe, but you're a very good lookin' wuss (who doesn't slur your words at all when you're toasted... impressive!).  Wonderful to meet you as well.  Check out my video link; there's a reference to you and Tom on down the thread.

[black hills]

What difference does it make?? Yea a KLR is a better off road bike than a something bigger, but my 300exc will easily kick it's ass in the woods. And the CBR is better than any of the adventure bikes when it comes to hitting the twisties, or cranking out some miles. So what?? Buy the bike that fits your needs and your riding style. I would like to have a big adventure bike. I wouldn't expect it to perform all that well on tight trails, or would I probably take it there,  but fire roads would be a blast on it. And that is the type of "adventure" I would use it for.  Plus I can cruise at 85mph down teh highway. The bike someone rides doesn't really say all that much about how they ride. Maybe they got a good deal on it, maybe it was all they could afford, maybe they made a mistake, etc. It's really none of my concern, is it??

[LordSmoke]

...snip...It's really none of my concern, is it??

No, so STFU about it!!!

[black hills]

No, so STFU about it!!!

Yes boss, right away boss, sorry boss........

[sprocket]

Man, this is the kind of conversations that need to take place face to face.
Monsoon way to shake it up baby!

[Johnny Monsoon]

Man, this is the kind of conversations that need to take place face to face.
Monsoon way to shake it up baby!

There are clearly two different types of posters here, eh?  Those that read the first post (without realizing it is tongue in cheek) and then post directly on that.  Then there are the ones who read the whole thread, then post.  LOL.  

Shakin' baby... shakka-shakka shakin' baby!

I loves me you guyses!

[Mrs. DantesDame]

Hey Johnny, I noticed you decided to post this when the DenMother was out and about. Your gonna get it from her when she gets baaaack!  

I'm baaaaack!  

Ok Johnny - I read every post in this thread - is this the one you were referring to when you said that everyone hates you?    Well I don't and wish that we could have had more time to chat at the National (never answer your phone once you've left the garage!). But I'll agree with your tongue-in-cheek first post: most of the big traillies never see dirt and if they do, it was unintentional. I'm very happy to say that I actively seek out dirt roads whenever possible (Req and I had a few great roads to/from the National) and most people are surprised/impressed when they hear where I take the bike.

So pick on 'em all you want. I'm comfortable knowing that I use the bike for what I intend it for!  

[Johnny Monsoon]

I'm baaaaack!  

Ok Johnny - I read every post in this thread - is this the one you were referring to when you said that everyone hates you?    

Oh nooooo... not this thread; there's no mention of a VFR anywhere in this thread... well, now there is...

[LordSmoke]

Yes boss, right away boss, sorry boss........

Very well. You're forgiven.  

[lomax]

Yep those Big Trallies are for Wussies allright. How could you possibly ride something like that off road.

Who would need something like that when you could have a little mini bike like a 450 or something. All in Fun Right?  







Cheers.
Marc

[Johnny Monsoon]

Yep those Big Trallies are for Wussies allright. How could you possibly ride something like that off road.

Who would need something like that when you could have a little mini bike like a 450 or something. All in Fun Right?  







Cheers.
Marc

WOOT!!!!!1!!!!!

Please see the 'What's Wrong With Me' thread started by Black Hills.  

Those 9fiddy's are sweet!  Too $$ for this boy though, I like to toss my bikes around on the trails; and like Black Hills, if you haven't pitched your bike down the trail at least once per outing, you weren't riding hard enough.

[thatguy]

Quite impressive Lomax.But I wouldn't wanna do 5 laps at Budds on it.

[R.Markus]

Quite impressive Lomax.But I wouldn't wanna do 5 laps at Budds on it.

You'll also have to take into consideration that it's Scot Harden riding it (at least in the second picture).

[photomd]

Yeah, the second picture is impressive...however I can do that on my CR...at least it starts out like that.  

The landing however.... ..... ....let's just say I'm glad there arent' any pictures.

I'm always in awe at how the Dakar types can ride those big bikes: amazing stuff.  

[lomax]

You'll also have to take into consideration that it's Scot Harden riding it (at least in the second picture).

I do not take the credit for either of the first two shots. Heck I could not do that on my little dirt bike.

I was just saying that fun can be had on any type of bike. BUT you must have more than one. It is a Moral imperative.

Cheers.
Marc

[Johnny Monsoon]

Of COURSE the little bikes can handle that stuff!  That's the point!  Most people ride little bikes like that, after all.  It's the big trallie rider who's convinced *they* can ride a big bike like that which provides the amusement.