What would one ride half way around the world?

[St_rydr]

Thinking about embarking a long journey into buying/equipping a bike to travel an insane amount miles on?
Hints, suggestions, solutions, ideas, lets hear them.

[stromgal]

If money outlay is an issue, I'd go with a Wee-Strom (650) outfitted with appropriate accessories.

Bullet-proof engine, light enough, tough enough.

[Against The Wind]

Single cylinder, air cooled, kickstart, carb,......as simple a machine as you can get.

[ss2]

What part of the world will you be riding?  All within the states?

[T.RexRacing]

XR600

[HipGnosis]

Single cylinder, air cooled, kickstart, carb,......as simple a machine as you can get.

But not TOO simple.
Even single engine air planes have a duplicate / back-up for all critical functions.
Single everything means that if anything fails, you're stranded.

[Orson]

A Finnish dude on the Horizons Unlimited Forum rode a Honda Blackbird from Saudi Arabia to Finland in 7 days  

I'll always be an amateur  

[Aero]

The knee-jerk response would be BMW R1150 or R1200 GS or an older R100GS, but whenever I have thought about this I have always ended up deciding that by the time it was loaded with all the stuff I would want to take along it would be just too heavy to safely handle on some of the roads that I would undoubtedly be tackling. I don't mean camel trails across the Sahara, just ordinary third world roads. It's OK if you have a support vehicle with you like Ewan and Charlie, or alternatively if you are a gorilla who rides moto cross at weekends, but not for me. So I would probably go with a KLR650 or a Wee-Strom. The KLR has the advantage of simplicity and the fact that it has been around for 20 years, the Wee-Strom would be tempting because of the extra power and comfort. Difficult choice really, there is hard luggage and lots of farkles for both of them. People have been around the world on some unlikely machines from GSXR Suzukis to old Harley Davidsons and they always found a way to carry on, but the more suitable the bike you are on the better your chances handling anything the trip might throw at you.

[Mrs. DantesDame]

I'd probably take my KLR because there there would be no limits as to where I could go. It would also be easier/cheaper to fix.  

[zooplancton]

+1000 on the XR600R

[R.Markus]

But not TOO simple.
Even single engine air planes have a duplicate / back-up for all critical functions.
Single everything means that if anything fails, you're stranded.

Yeah, but when your engine dies on a motorcycle you're already on the ground.

I would look to see where I was headed exactly and check for parts availability in those countries for the brands you are considering. I would choose either a KLR or KTM 640 based on my findings.

[Aero]

A Finnish dude on the Horizons Unlimited Forum rode a Honda Blackbird from Saudi Arabia to Finland in 7 days  

I'll always be an amateur  

Probably got run out of the country because of those Crusader X's  

http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,2875.0.html

[Brad1445]

I'd do it With the Uly, comfy yet enough fun to keep me awake.

[Mrs. DantesDame]

I'd do it With the Uly, comfy yet enough fun to keep me awake.

Don't forget a spare shifter linkage!  

[Brad1445]

Don't forget a spare shifter linkage!  

Sad but true...

[Snowbird]

How can we answer the question until we know which half of the world you intend to ride around!?  

 

[SWriverstone]

I'd say regardless of where you ride, get a KLR!   Yes, I have one—so I'm biased—but the reason I bought a KLR is because probably no other bike in existence has as much of a track record for around-the-world adventure travel as the KLR. This is because it's reliable, relatively easy to fix anywhere, and has good range (250 miles). And did I say it's reliable?  

One of the great myths in world adventure biking is that the BMW bikes are "king"...but this simply isn't true. It *is* true that a lot of BMW GS1150s and F650s have been ridden all over the world (especially by well-heeled movie stars who prefer the caché of BMW)...but just as many (if not more) KLRs have been used as well...and almost anyone will tell you the KLR is more reliable. I've never figured out this BMW myth, except that people generally can't stand the idea that a $5,000 Japanese bike can do anything (and more) that more expensive German bikes can do. (And I say this as someone who *likes* the BMWs! So I'm not bashing them.)

KLRs rule. Period. BMW lovers—get over it.  

Scott

[Mr Sunshine]

So where are you planning to ride?  That will make up your decision right there.

[photomd]

[flame suit]
I'd say an eary R80GS with a points ignition. They have bing carbs, in an easy location to work on, valves are easy to adjust, the tranny has the circlip so it should be good. I wouldn't put too much stress on the electrical system, but you could upgrade it with modern unit to close to 500w. As long as the tranny and rear end are in good shape, you should be able to go just about anywhere and keep it running with commonly availible parts.

I'd avoid electronic ignitions, FI if you're planning on heading into the wilds of the third world. If those fail, you're stuck. Also FI can easily become fubared with bad fuel. The R80 will run on just about any gas you can find.
[/flame suit]

[photomd]

KLRs rule. Period. BMW lovers—get over it.  

Scott

Just another opinion:

I've ridden several KLR's...they suck.  

If you need a dual sport, they will work, but they're slow, they don't stop and simply jumping a ditch stress the frame. I've ridden a VFR down 5 miles of a fire road and it was just as good as a KLR...just a little more expensive if you dropped it. It was also much better on the road.

I also don't think I'd take a modern BMW into the woods: hard to tow out and you're stuck if something electronic breaks.

Another idea on biking half way 'round the world: Riding accross Siberia, Russia and Europe

If two Nighthawks can do it, I guess you could do it on just about any reliable bike, but I'd feel more comfortable on one I could easily tear down and put back together.

[Busy Little Whiner]

If I were planning a around the world bike it would have to be a trick out Honda VT500FT Ascot with a 12 gal
tank... damn thing can handle any road in the world... or make its own road... the little 394 lb motorcycle with a
shaft drive is my choice to circle the planet...

[bikerider]

+1 KLR.

They don't do anything well but can be ridden/fixed anywhere and are cheap in the event something happens and you have to leave it on the other side of the world.

I would like to see a VFR ride across river 3+ feet deep river, or through a foot of mud or snow.

Adventure touring entails a lot more than riding on dirt roads.

[Global Rider]

Thinking about embarking a long journey into buying/equipping a bike to travel an insane amount miles on?
Hints, suggestions, solutions, ideas, lets hear them.

You want to keep it simple and non high tech if you are going into remote areas...and even if you're not. Why complicate things.
So look for a clean low mileage early 80s BMW R80 G/S to the mid 90s R100 GS Paris Dakar.

I have a KLR 650 as well, but they're not very reliable. Mine has been sitting in the garage since 2003...good thing I have a BMW to get me around.  

[photomd]

I would like to see a VFR ride across river 3+ feet deep river, or through a foot of mud or snow.

I don't think a VFR would do very well crossing a river, but the KLR's I rode were pigs in the mud, sand and anything more than a fire road. My point is that any street bike can ride a fire road, but IMHO, a KLR is a bad street bike. On the interstate they're pretty exciting as they wobble around, and they have weak brakes. I also don't think a KLR will cross a river 36 inches deep...the intake is about 2-2 1/2 feet.    Again, IMHO, if want to ride offroad, get an offroad bike. Maybe some of the KTM's or big XR's can do both, but I do not think the KLR is the do all bike...too many compromises.

[SWriverstone]

Just another opinion:

I've ridden several KLR's...they suck.  

If you need a dual sport, they will work, but they're slow, they don't stop and simply jumping a ditch stress the frame. I've ridden a VFR down 5 miles of a fire road and it was just as good as a KLR...just a little more expensive if you dropped it. It was also much better on the road.

I also don't think I'd take a modern BMW into the woods: hard to tow out and you're stuck if something electronic breaks.

Another idea on biking half way 'round the world: Riding accross Siberia, Russia and Europe

If two Nighthawks can do it, I guess you could do it on just about any reliable bike, but I'd feel more comfortable on one I could easily tear down and put back together.

No offense Photomd, but you're nuts!   I have a VFR too, and there's no way it'll go half the places a KLR will. Granted, it's common knowledge that the stock KLR has some weaknesses that are easily overcome with a few key mods.

You say they're slow? I rode mine 70mph for days and days on a 5,000-mile trip, no problem—with 90lbs of gear strapped to the bike. You need more speed? You better be riding on 4-lane superslabs only. And mine stops fine—never had a problem (especially with Progressive springs in front), and I've done a few emergency stops. And "stress the frame?" I upgraded my subframe and I guarantee you it wouldn't break if you sat a truck on top of it and rolled 'em BOTH across a ditch! LOL

And Alex, your KLR might not be reliable...but I've read dozens of reports by KLR owners with 75,000-100,000 trouble-free miles on their KLRs...so maybe yours was a lemon?

Scott

[SWriverstone]

I don't think a VFR would do very well crossing a river, but the KLR's I rode were pigs in the mud, sand and anything more than a fire road.

Like I said, I've ridden my KLR down muddy double-track that a VFR wouldn't make it ten feet across—and I'm a crappy dirt rider! LOL

My point is that any street bike can ride a fire road, but IMHO, a KLR is a bad street bike.

I find my KLR to be MORE fun on twisty backroads than my VFR...and the upright position is a lot easier on hands, wrists, and arms. I'll grant KLRs aren't great on windy interstates...but no bike is (if you've never been buffeted by strong crosswinds on a VFR, you've never ridden in strong crosswinds!).

I also don't think a KLR will cross a river 36 inches deep...the intake is about 2-2 1/2 feet.  

Aah...but that's only if you haven't done the "snorkle mod," which takes a foot of rubber tubing, a "T" fitting and 5 minutes. After that, you can ride the bike underwater. LOL (Again, this is the beauty of the KLR—it can be modded to do anything without spending a fortune.)

Again, IMHO, if want to ride offroad, get an offroad bike. Maybe some of the KTM's or big XR's can do both, but I do not think the KLR is the do all bike...too many compromises.

I disagree—the KLR is a GREAT do-all bike...especially if you're not wealthy. There is no better value in the world today for motorcycles.  

Scott

[Global Rider]

And Alex, your KLR might not be reliable...but I've read dozens of reports by KLR owners with 75,000-100,000 trouble-free miles on their KLRs...so maybe yours was a lemon?

Scott

You mean the Japs can produce lemons? Tell me it isn't so. "Dozens" is a very small percentage when compared to the total sold. I don't know if I'd ever trust it when I get around to sorting it out.

[axelwik]

I'd go with something simple and light like an XR650 with a large tank or KLR.  On a round the world trip you really don't need speed, complication, or outstanding anything.  You need a versatile bike that does most things fairly well. Sacrifice some performance for reliability and you'll be much happier.

[batt5]

Take a look at this website...  These two can give you all the info you need on a journey like you are planning...
http://www.ultimatejourney.com/

[SWriverstone]

Here's the tally on votes so far:

1) KLR650 with 6 recommendations
2) XR600/650 with 3 recommendations
3) TIE: BMW R80GS and V-Strom 650 with 3 recommendations
---
KTM640, Buell Ulysses, BMW R100GS, Honda VT500FT all get one recommendation each.

The numbers speak for themselves.   Get a KLR!

Scott

[R.Markus]

You mean the Japs can produce lemons? Tell me it isn't so. "Dozens" is a very small percentage when compared to the total sold. I don't know if I'd ever trust it when I get around to sorting it out.

I have heard very few people say that their KLR was unreliable...actually, I think you are the first. You may have gotten a lemon, everyone's making them these days. I won't go further into the minor mods most owners make to sort out the minor design flaws since you didn't say what was wrong with yours.

Also, I eliminated BMW from my short list simply because (and this may not be true) I read dealer suppport for them in Africa was non existant (when someone says "half way around the world", that is where I think of and would want to tour), and KTM is a bigger brand there.

The KLR is a great bike for what it is. One would have to define their "ride half way around the world" a little better to say if it is the perfect bike or not(if you are staying on paved roads then a Goldwing would be fine). It is simple and comprimises a bit of road worthiness to be a good bigger DS bike. Not great on the highway (but very passable) and a bit big for dirt (I disagree and have ridden with two very good riders that make them look like 250's in the dirt). When I think of the touring this thread refers to, it is mostly dirt and sand in third world countries. It isn't tight single track stuff and has a bit of paved road in places...the KLR would be great for that with the right setup.

My only complaint with the KLR is the wide seat...I had looked into purchasing one many times, but that thing is wide and as uncomfortable as the seat on my ST1300, which I hated.

[CBRXXBLACKBIRD]

If I had to pick a bike to put some insane miles on i would pick a Goldwing its a recliner on wheels.  

[photomd]

No offense Photomd, but you're nuts!    

Thank you...you're not the first to notice.  

You say they're slow? I rode mine 70mph for days and days on a 5,000-mile trip, no problem—with 90lbs of gear strapped to the bike. You need more speed?

Great. It sounded like you had a great trip. I didn't say they weren't capable. I don't think they're very good dual purpose bike for the reasons I stated before...just an opinion. More examples: I could not get the front brakes on all three examples I rode to even approach lock up on the street and it was pretty hard to get 'em to lock up on grass with good tires. Also the rear end hopes around on the interstate. I've followed several KLR's at about 75 and watched the rear end hop around. I've felt it as well. I didn't like it.

Like I said, I've ridden my KLR down muddy double-track that a VFR wouldn't make it ten feet across—and I'm a crappy dirt rider! LOL

...and I'll tell you that wondering around farms both in KY and SC, I've found very few logging or dirt roads I couldn't get down on a streetbike. To me the advantages of a DS in these situations wasn't worth what I'd have to give up...your results may vary.  

Aah...but that's only if you haven't done the "snorkle mod," which takes a foot of rubber tubing, a "T" fitting and 5 minutes. After that, you can ride the bike underwater. LOL (Again, this is the beauty of the KLR—it can be modded to do anything without spending a fortune.)

Yeah...and with enough hose fittings and few hours, someone with a little ingenuity could fab a snorkel for most bikes...not a big deal.

 I've never figured out this BMW myth, except that people generally can't stand the idea that a $5,000 Japanese bike can do anything (and more) that more expensive German bikes can do. (And I say this as someone who *likes* the BMW's! So I'm not bashing them.)

KLRs rule. Period. BMW lovers—get over it.  

And in response to this, I'll challenge you to post the exact cost of your bikes and I'll bet a cup of coffee you have more in the cost of your bikes than I do in mine...all three.

KLR's suck.  Get over it.  

[Global Rider]

I won't go further into the minor mods most owners make to sort out the minor design flaws since you didn't say what was wrong with yours.

I did the Doohickey mod even though there was nothing wrong with the factory adjuster and spring.

I get home from a 13 day tour, everything is fine as I shut down in the garage. A month later, I start it up and it sounds like I have a 1/4" undersize piston in it. Cam chain tensioner checked. Doohickey mod performed. 6600 miles on the odometer. Bought new. Impeccably maintained (as are all my vehicles) and not abused...I need it to be reliable for my Iceland tour (why I bought it). You tell me whats wrong. BTW, I've worked on everything from chainsaws to aircraft engines. Now I haven't taken the valve cover or cylinder head off yet. Kind of hard to get motivated when you have other trouble free bikes to ride. I do have a few ideas though...one day.

[SWriverstone]

That's interesting Alex. Not sure what was going on? And (as I said earlier) I *love* the BMW GS bikes...but it would be the height of exaggeration (or downright lying) to say BMWs are completely trouble-free. I've easily read/heard as many stories about problems with BMWs as with KLRs. And it's certainly true that KLRs are easier to repair in remote, third-world places than (modern) BMWs. (At least that's what I've read many, many times on Adventure Rider.)

I certainly see how your experience with the KLR colors your opinion of it. That's valid.   Other people have different experiences.

Scott

[Aero]

That's interesting Alex. Not sure what was going on? And (as I said earlier) I *love* the BMW GS bikes...but it would be the height of exaggeration (or downright lying) to say BMWs are completely trouble-free. I've easily read/heard as many stories about problems with BMWs as with KLRs. And it's certainly true that KLRs are easier to repair in remote, third-world places than (modern) BMWs.

I have heard that the new R1200GS has had some major problems with engines grenading. No personal experience though.....

[St_rydr]

Looks like I stepped in something here..LOL But the thread intent worked near perfect. I seen a mention of KTM and at weight,the 525 is a monster of power and ability. No I'm not plugging for a brand I just think it has potential and light weight before I pack on gear. I would never embark on the journey with out a true Dual Purpose bike. Here is my thought... I want to travel to see new things people and places. That means third world countries and there roads or lack there of. Weather I travel east west north south the roads and conditions will change. I guess really it boils down to what one can afford and whats serviceable near and far. Sounds like everybody has there own favorites personally I am new to the adventure riding and have a very open mind so I like info.
Thanks keep me up and up on idea's...

[Global Rider]

That's interesting Alex. Not sure what was going on? And (as I said earlier) I *love* the BMW GS bikes...but it would be the height of exaggeration (or downright lying) to say BMWs are completely trouble-free. I've easily read/heard as many stories about problems with BMWs as with KLRs. And it's certainly true that KLRs are easier to repair in remote, third-world places than (modern) BMWs. (At least that's what I've read many, many times on Adventure Rider.)

I certainly see how your experience with the KLR colors your opinion of it. That's valid.  

I never said they were. All I know is that my KLR 650 that is touted to be "the" reliable bike, isn't, and certainly not due to my doing. The founder of the Motorcycle Tourer's Forum had one as well and it has some issues if I recall. Then another had his DL seriously detonate.

The reason I bought my KLR over any others (XR, DR, etc) was for the large gas tank, comfy seat and all that reliability I've heard so much about...and because it is great bang for the buck. I did one long run to Eastern Canada with it returning by the Trans Labrador Highway to give it a good shake down to test the KLR, luggage mounts and luggage over 660 miles of gravel road.

As a relatively long time BMW owner, I have to chuckle at the number of times I've read on forums how unreliable BMWs are and how much more reliable Jap bikes are (yet more BMWs have been RTW than other makes combined). Funny thing is, none of my BMWs have failed and here I am with a nearly new KLR with an engine that rattles. I've been thinking about a new F650 GS Dakar...fuel infection, fuel pumps, etc and all, but high-tech is not really what I want in the middle of Iceland.

As far as I'm concerned, an early 80s R80 G/S PD (32 liter gas tank) with the solid swingarm is the one to have.

When I get around to my KLR and find out what is wrong, I'll do backflips.

[blakebird]

Suzuki DR650.

air cooled simplicity, oil cooler, XR-reliability, good aftermarket support.

If you're going to be way off the beaten path, simpler & lighter is better.

I'd rather take my old 2005 DR650 around the world than my R1150GS Adventure.

[R.Markus]

I seen a mention of KTM and at weight,the 525 is a monster of power and ability. No I'm not plugging for a brand I just think it has potential and light weight before I pack on gear. I

You still need the simplicity part, though...and the 525 doesn't have it. It is a high maintenance engine, mainly built for racing (although street legal for '07  ). It would be super fun to own, but not for this purpose.. For KTM, the two RTW engines would be the LC4 and LC8 (twin). Opting for simpler, I would go with the LC4.

[tedrbr]

As the "where" was not specified, I'll consider the extreme for "half-way around the world".

A Russian Ural with a Hack (with 2-wheeled drive).

The sidecar gives plenty of storage for gear, tools, and spare parts.  As a hack, you can travel along less improved roads better
than some strictly 2-wheeled bikes (think, greasy mud-slick 3rd world goat paths). Place for a spare tire and wheel which adds an additional layer of self-sufficiency to having a flat tire repair kit.  Historically, this bike has been used around the world with great success with well over 3 million bikes produced.

I saw Urals in many configurations while I was in Iraq.  I've seen pictures of Urals outfitted with simple pontoons (read logs and bamboo bundles) to navigate rivers and marshes.  

Simple design whose roots go back to 1940's BMWs.  And if the old stories are true, the manual recommends you take the bike to the nearest dealer, "or your local blacksmith", for major repairs or service.

These bikes have been to the end of the world and back.

[bluesurf]

I have a KLR 650 as well, but they're not very reliable. Mine has been sitting in the garage since 2003...good thing I have a BMW to get me around.  

maybe if you rode the KLR more often?   Seriously, plenty of individuals have ridden them around the world, and several militaries support them....unfortunately, it sounds like an issue with your particular bike.  Also, I'd love to see a current source for the "more bmw's have been rtw than all other makes combined."

+1 on the KLR.  The bike will get you there in all but the very worst (avoidable) situations, is easily fixable and known throughout the world, and also is hoistable by one person.  There's more, but those are the very basics imho.  I'm actually having a difficult time considering whether to sell a DR-Z or a KLR, but that's a separate thread.

Personally, I wouldn't have the F650GS for serious travel...I know that a few people have used them, including Glenn Hegstad, but the whole FI and "cam must be in particular location range in order to start" thing concerns me.  I rode OBDR with someone on one and the bike was fine, when it started (it didn't a few times.)  OTOH there's probably a BMW FI course around somewhere.

The Ural w/hack sounds better every winter.  I called the local dealer last week while we were all snowed out, but they haven't called back yet...probably still out playing.

[ss2]

I can't believe you guys are fighting about which bike is better.  The previous listed all can go around the f'n world.  What more do you want?  Jesus.  Get out and ride.  If you are going to give me that wussy cold/snow/ice/rain excuse, then you have no business talking about a bike that can go around the world.

Spec sheets suck.

[R.Markus]

I can't believe you guys are fighting about which bike is better.  The previous listed all can go around the f'n world.  What more do you want?  Jesus.  Get out and ride.  If you are going to give me that wussy cold/snow/ice/rain excuse, then you have no business talking about a bike that can go around the world.

Spec sheets suck.

Spec this.  

...besides, arguing is what ST.N does best.

[Orson]

 wussy cold/snow/ice/rain excuse, then you have no business talking about a bike that can go around the world.

That's the worst case of hyphen abuse I've ever seen  

[DredheadV2.0]

That's the worst case of hyphen abuse I've ever seen  

Um...  those aren't hyphens.  These-are-hyphens.  HTH  

back on subject...

Having ridden none of these bikes, and being the sort of person that avoids anything but tarmac whenever possible, I give my very educated opinion and say get the Ural with 2WD.

[SWriverstone]

...yet more BMWs have been RTW than other makes combined.

Is this true? Not arguing with you, because I don't know—just wondered if anyone reputable and unbiased has done a comprehensive survey? Because a LOT of KLRs have either been RTW or to Tierra del Fuego and back or across Siberia, etc...so I suggest the BMW RTW-domination thing is a myth promoted by BMW owners (and perpetuated by high-profile adventures like Long Way Round that use BMWs because they can)...unless I see some concrete proof otherwise.

The bottom line is that there are a heck of a lot of both bikes (BMWs and KLRs) that have been ridden reliably through hell and back by satisfied owners—as well as some of both bikes that have pissed off their owners royally!

I'd say that hands-down, no other bike has the adventure-riding pedigree of either the BMWs or the KLR.

Scott

[Orson]

I'd say that hands-down, no other bike has the adventure-riding pedigree of either the BMWs or the KLR.

pleeese gawd don't saddle me with something as pretentious soundin' as a "adventure-riding pedigree"...that sounds like one a them fancy scarves those Nancy boys wear on high street  

I woulda thunked the RC45 woulda been round the world more.

[Snowbird]

I guess really it boils down to what one can afford and whats serviceable near and far.

I'd say it boils down more to How ar you going to support yourself away from a job and How are you going to assure availability to health care?

If you can't answer those questions, speculating on which bike to take is fun, but futile.

[Global Rider]

Just wondered if anyone reputable and unbiased has done a comprehensive survey? Because a LOT of KLRs have either been RTW or to Tierra del Fuego and back or across Siberia, etc...so I suggest the BMW RTW-domination thing is a myth promoted by BMW owners (and perpetuated by high-profile adventures like Long Way Round that use BMWs because they can)...unless I see some concrete proof otherwise.

I really don't care...just based on going to countless RTW touring reports over the years. Also based on the books I've read. So either the other brands aren't taking RTW trips or they're not writing books? Hell, you can go RTW on a Harley Davidson if you don't mind fixing it every other page. Just read "Riding The Edge". A rider rode from Toronto to Alaska and back on a 50 cc moped.

Yeah, I often wondered why Ewan and Charley, being British, didn't choose the Triumph Tiger as their RTW machine. Thats downright un-British of them.

I own both, so how can I be biased with respect to one over the other?

[photomd]

I'd say that hands-down, no other bike has the adventure-riding pedigree of either the BMWs or the KLR.

Scott

So now BMW's are OK?  

As I linked to before, just about any bike can do it with enough fortitude on the part of the rider.

Kneebone et al crossed Siberia, Russia and Europe on Nighthawks.

Ted Simon did it on a Triumph Tiger 500.

Cycle World did an article on someone who rode an MV Augusta Brutale across Africa.

Shoot, these fella's raced Dakar on a HD Vrod powered side car.

I think "adventure touring" is over marketed sometimes. The point is to get out and ride. Did I ride my VFR 5 miles up a dirt road in the mountains of NC? Yes. It was wet, it was muddy and I took my time. No big deal. Do I ride my street bikes on gravel roads and logging roads? Yes, if I need to. Just do it and have fun.  

And I stick to what I said before, KLR's suck...at least as long as you tell me BMW riders need to get over it they do.  

[forester]

My DL650 is set up for RTW right now and would do a splendid job if the rough places were (as much as possible) avoided.

By "rough", I mean places that are not suitable for travel with any vehicle that has rubber tires on it.

A lot of you people are placing emphasis on the machines ability toward getting through stuff, etc. - but that's not the right 'tude for an endurance trip.  Not saying it's unimportant to have a capable machine, but I think reliability should be the foremost consideration for something like this.

I spend a lot of time running vehicles through old unmaintained, remote and crappy roads (most of you people would not call these roads   ) in the daily course of doing business.  I can't tell you how many times I've been stuck for hours WAY away from anyone and wished I hadn't been!    

SS2 doesn't have a clue about running on snow, that much I know for sure.  Markus (and others) think it's macho or fun or whatever to run through water crossings - up to a certain extent I think its foolish.

It's one thing if you're close to civilization and don't have to walk miles (or in the case of RTW...days) to get help, but I think if you really are planning such a trip carefully, you will come to the logical conclusion that the #1 best way to avoid costly and timely pitfalls during such a trip is to carefully plan around them.  Remember the 6 Ps...

Proper
Planning
Prevents
Piss
Poor
Performance

That means taking alternate routes, running on the highest margins of the soupy roads, the parts of the roads that are lacking standing sand, corrugations, etc.

Believe me, there will be plenty of challenges out there waiting for you on such a trip without having to create your own!

Any bike can run a RTW trip, but some bikes are better than others.  I think the DL650 and KLR650 are obvious candidates, as well as the BMWs that were already mentioned.  As previously stated, bike choice hinges a LOT on what "type" of RTW trip you want to take.  



 

[SWriverstone]

So now BMW's are OK?  

Sure.   I never said they weren't—in fact, I'd love to have one someday! I just said I believe it's a myth that they are the "kings" of world adventure travel.

I think "adventure touring" is over marketed sometimes. The point is to get out and ride. Did I ride my VFR 5 miles up a dirt road in the mountains of NC? Yes. It was wet, it was muddy and I took my time. No big deal. Do I ride my street bikes on gravel roads and logging roads? Yes, if I need to. Just do it and have fun.  

Maybe, but "adventure touring" is no more over-marketed than "sport touring," and they do (in my opinion) mean different things: one is pavement-only, the other is pavement and dirt. And I agree the point is to get out and ride. (But then why does this forum even exist? Shouldn't we all just shutup and go ride?  )

And I stick to what I said before, KLR's suck...at least as long as you tell me BMW riders need to get over it they do.  

Okay, fair enough. BMW riders, you no longer officially have to get over it.  

Scott

[SWriverstone]

  Well said Forester! Now let's all shutup and go ride.  

Scott

[black hills]

I would go with a KTM adventure. the size would depend on where most of the riding was going to be? My expereinces with KTM dirtbikes is that they are bulletproof. my 2000 300exc should have died many times (like when all I ran 15 miles of an enduro with no oil in the trans!) but it keeps on going. I think a 950 adventure will be my next bike, although it may be a while?

[Aero]

I would go with a KTM adventure. the size would depend on where most of the riding was going to be? My expereinces with KTM dirtbikes is that they are bulletproof. my 2000 300exc should have died many times (like when all I ran 15 miles of an enduro with no oil in the trans!) but it keeps on going. I think a 950 adventure will be my next bike, although it may be a while?

I don't think I could ride more than 100 miles on that plank that KTM use for a seat, much less undertake a RTW trip!  Also isn't the range a bit limited, how much does the tank hold?

[Global Rider]

I think "adventure touring" is over marketed sometimes.

And ever since that classification of motorcycles has come out, anyone on one, even when driving the Blue Ridge Parkway or old Route 66 is now on an Adventure.  

I'd hardly classified my Trans Labrador Highway Tour an "adventure", as remote and sparsely settled as it is. Its a regular tour in my books.

[Global Rider]

And I agree the point is to get out and ride. But then why does this forum even exist?

Cause its cold outside...like -10°F cold. Hey wait a minute, I used to ride to and from work all winter long at those temps.

[oldmanweirdon]

And ever since that classification of motorcycles has come out, anyone on one, even when driving the Blue Ridge Parkway or old Route 66 is now on an Adventure.  

I'd hardly classified my Trans Labrador Highway Tour an "adventure", as remote and sparsely settled as it is. Its a regular tour in my books.

i rode my nighthawk to chile's (awesome blossom) the other night in Atlanta, and between the one way streets and unpaved sections of road and racing a monster i consider it an adventure.  

[bluesurf]

I really don't care...just based on going to countless RTW touring reports over the years. Also based on the books I've read. So either the other brands aren't taking RTW trips or they're not writing books?

Thanks for the link....good facts!  

[bluesurf]

Cause its cold outside...like -10°F cold. Hey wait a minute, I used to ride to and from work all winter long at those temps.

+1.....I was finally able to get out yesterday for a bit, without dodging compact ice everywhere.

[bluesurf]

My DL650 is set up for RTW right now and would do a splendid job if the rough places were (as much as possible) avoided.

By "rough", I mean places that are not suitable for travel with any vehicle that has rubber tires on it.

Hmmmm, I've ridden a DL650 a bit, and stock or minimal aftermarket then they simply don't have the clearance to go a lot of places that other rubber-tire-equipped vehicles (KLR, for instance) do.  Heck, DL650's scrape on topes while fully-loaded KLR's don't come close.

There was a guy on ADVRider last year who fabbed up new forks, etc, for his DL650....made it a real adventure/ds bike....maybe you're that person?  

edit:  i was just searching about over at advrider and can't find the post...looks like the flea market forum was pruned 11/2006 and everything earlier is gone.

[SWriverstone]

And ever since that classification of motorcycles has come out, anyone on one, even when driving the Blue Ridge Parkway or old Route 66 is now on an Adventure.  

I'd hardly classified my Trans Labrador Highway Tour an "adventure", as remote and sparsely settled as it is. Its a regular tour in my books.

I think the worst thing to happen is the adoption of the 1200GS by motorcycling yuppies as the "gleaming SUV" of motorcycles—they've sadly become no different than all those shiny Cadillac Escalades, Toyota Sequoias, and Ford Gargantuas that are used for grocery store runs and have never seen an ounce of dirt (and never will)...

...but wait, I'm not allowed to say that, because it's a free country and people can do damn well whatever they please, and why shouldn't they?

Sorry, I stand chastized and will shutup now.   (None of this directed at you Alex!)

Scott

[black hills]

And ever since that classification of motorcycles has come out, anyone on one, even when driving the Blue Ridge Parkway or old Route 66 is now on an Adventure.  

I'd hardly classified my Trans Labrador Highway Tour an "adventure", as remote and sparsely settled as it is. Its a regular tour in my books.

if it is all on paved roads I would just use my usual mount

[forester]

Hmmmm, I've ridden a DL650 a bit, and stock or minimal aftermarket then they simply don't have the clearance to go a lot of places that other rubber-tire-equipped vehicles (KLR, for instance) do.  Heck, DL650's scrape on topes while fully-loaded KLR's don't come close.

There was a guy on ADVRider last year who fabbed up new forks, etc, for his DL650....made it a real adventure/ds bike....maybe you're that person?  

 No, I'm the guy who uses the DL on a daily basis for (roughly) 7 months out of the year/5-6k documented miles) in the course of managing forestlands for my clients, which are not exactly in the vicinity of paved roads  .  Granted, I've only done this for 1 year - 2006 - since I purchased the bike (before that it was the Radian  ), but since I run rural roads/two-tracks/trails for part of my living, I think I know a thing or two about traveling on something that vaguely resembles roads.

The main question here I would suggest you ask yourself is whether you are riding a singletrack RTW, or will a majority of your roads be paved or at least gravel with a few off-road jaunts from time to time.

I think putting the emphasis on ground clearance in a RTW trip is ridiculous unless you're "RTW" involves more than 50% off-road travel, which it will most likely NOT.  

Seriously, I am under the impression that some of you "adventure tourers" have been watching too many quad/ATV/four wheeler commercials with video of mud and muck flying everywhere while these machines are tearing up the countryside.  That is a neat visual image, but most of the places I've been have roads between point A and point B and for those places that don't, I'll side step the mud holes since I only need about 6" of a path around them.  The v-strom is quite capable of doing RTW.

What is most convenient for a RTW trip is a reliable drivetrain, a system that requires minimal maintenance and something that has a comfortable seat.  I don't know of a more reliable motor than the SV-derived powerplant, nor a more comfortable seat than the V-strom has on it.  My bike also has a Scottoiler TK7 tour kit in which the main oil resevoir will last over 10k miles, a crash bar/skid plate combo, a center stand and 12v outlets and GPS hardwired.  I would suggest that although my bike is set up for the long-haul paved tours between forestland tracts and my home office, with the options I have chosen, it could easily outperform most bikes on RTW tripping.

[Johnny Monsoon]

Photomd, I think you've got an odd perception about the KLR, but that's okay, you're allowed to have your own opinion.  Frankly, I find the KLR to be every bit as fun (and greatly more fun in many circumstances) to my XX; and even to my beloved B12.  

I'd be tempted to jump on the bandwagon and kneejerk support of the KLR too, but there are three other bikes to consider:

The KLX250S, DR650, and the Husky TE-610

The first may sound like an oddball in the mix, but if you're going around the world, chances are that you aren't doing so to set speed records anyway; and frankly most of the world travels a lot slower than we in the US do (and if you're caught really speeding they can confiscate your bike) so I'll assume top speed isn't a huge issue.  That means versatility, reliablity, repairability, simplicity, and ease of use are the main focus.

So, the KLX250S is light, which means in ugly situations will be a lot more friendly, especially after you pack some gear on it.  It also gets great gas mileage.  You'd have to opt for the larger aftermarket tank, but the same is true for the DR and the TE-610.  I don't really think this is such a huge issue.  If you want to go a little bonkers you can do the 330cc upgrade for nearly double the power output.  The great news is that this is done with factory Kawasaki parts, and was even offered as a free upgrade last year in other countries.  That's a reliable swap.  What that also means is that this engine is dead reliable at 250cc.  The KLX is more nimble on the road and really doesn't give up much of anything compared to its bigger brother.  See my review in the Dirt section.

The DR is a great bike, without the watercooling of the KLR.  I wouldn't let that worry you too much, but if you are spending a lot of time south of Baja creeping along, it may begin to be an issue.  By the same token you don't need to worry about busted water pumps or blown hoses.  The offroad-ability between the DR and KLR comes down to the rider.  The KLR will offer more in aftermarket to suit your particular needs.  The DR and the TE will both require new saddles for any extended travel.

The TE is a very nicely appointed bike, and sports a 6th gear (like the KLX).  What it doesn't sport is a very saturated dealer support or a long fuel range.  The tank and saddle for this bike will be more expensive.  The good news is that they've proven to be quite reliable and rather more capable offroad than the Japanese units (to exclude the KLX which will show the TE for its portliness).

As a final note, the F650GS is a nice enough bike, but it doesn't really offer any roadgoing prowess over any of the other bikes, and is heavier offroad.  Soft rims and expensive bodywork (as well as a nice target for thieves) makes this a less attractive machine in my book.  I like the bike, but you'd do better with a WeeStrom for paved road and groomed trails, and suffer compared to the other DS's listed.

I omit the XLs because they simply don't compare to any on the road for highway manners, and don't offer any gain over the more dirt oriented DSs listed.

[bluesurf]

  No, I'm the guy who uses the DL on a daily basis for (roughly) 7 months out of the year/5-6k documented miles) in the course of managing forestlands for my clients, which are not exactly in the vicinity of paved roads  .  Granted, I've only done this for 1 year - 2006 - since I purchased the bike (before that it was the Radian  ), but since I run rural roads/two-tracks/trails for part of my living, I think I know a thing or two about traveling on something that vaguely resembles roads.

The main question here I would suggest you ask yourself is whether you are riding a singletrack RTW, or will a majority of your roads be paved or at least gravel with a few off-road jaunts from time to time.

I think putting the emphasis on ground clearance in a RTW trip is ridiculous unless you're "RTW" involves more than 50% off-road travel, which it will most likely NOT.  

Seriously, I am under the impression that some of you "adventure tourers" have been watching too many quad/ATV/four wheeler commercials with video of mud and muck flying everywhere while these machines are tearing up the countryside.  That is a neat visual image, but most of the places I've been have roads between point A and point B and for those places that don't, I'll side step the mud holes since I only need about 6" of a path around them.  The v-strom is quite capable of doing RTW.

What is most convenient for a RTW trip is a reliable drivetrain, a system that requires minimal maintenance and something that has a comfortable seat.  I don't know of a more reliable motor than the SV-derived powerplant, nor a more comfortable seat than the V-strom has on it.  My bike also has a Scottoiler TK7 tour kit in which the main oil resevoir will last over 10k miles, a crash bar/skid plate combo, a center stand and 12v outlets and GPS hardwired.  I would suggest that although my bike is set up for the long-haul paved tours between forestland tracts and my home office, with the options I have chosen, it could easily outperform most bikes on RTW tripping.

I never said that you didn't know about roads...go back and reread the specific portion about "rough" and "any rubber-tired vehicle."

Simply put, the KLR will indeed go places that the DL650 won't, and these are the sort of places that I personally am more inclined to visit on an RTW.  The KLR is also much more amenable to being dropped and recovering, a real point on any extended off-road journey.  You mention RTW travel almost as though it's not a big deal, with numerous adventures, detours, obstacles, etc.  Having ridden both bikes in about all kinds of track, and now owning a DL1K as well, then I'll take the KLR over the DL650 given unfamiliar territory.  You and I would probably not make good RTW partners, as we'd constantly be splitting up and trying to get back together where the path meets the road.  

btw - I've done a fair bit of traveling, and watch very little tv.  

[Global Rider]

I think the worst thing to happen is the adoption of the 1200GS by motorcycling yuppies as the "gleaming SUV" of motorcycles—they've sadly become no different than all those shiny Cadillac Escalades, Toyota Sequoias, and Ford Gargantuas that are used for grocery store runs and have never seen an ounce of dirt (and never will)...

And neither do they have to. Dual purpose motorcycles just happen to be the most practical motorcycles out there. Whats wrong with using them solely on the street? You can even put street tires on them if that is all its used for.

You might not see it that way having a VFR in your stables.

[bluesurf]

The KLX250S

I'm curious about the load capacity of that bike.  The DR-Z can handle a good 150-200 pounds, but at the cost of the shock/handling.  The KLR can handle more, as it has a bigger frame (and less handling).  I think that there was about 200 pounds of scuba/camping/support tools/other gear on mine a couple of months ago.  I had the preload clicked up to 5, and that was pretty well maxed out.  The bike would actually power wheelie in second gear (granted, the 1tooth down from stock front sprocket was left on, but still, it's a *KLR*)

Personally, I think that the KLX is too little for any real long-distance long-term adventure trips, but am curious about its load capacity, thanks.

[Global Rider]

if it is all on paved roads I would just use my usual mount

There was a rider out of the US that used his Harley and pulled a trailer. Then another rider out of NB on a BMW R1100 RS. You can do it on street bike, but it wouldn't be my choice. There are 660 miles in total of loose gravel involved.

[bluesurf]

Not sure how many people are aware of the HUBB, so wanted to post the link here.  They even have a specific forum for "Which Bike."

http://horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/

[forester]

You and I would probably not make good RTW partners, as we'd constantly be splitting up and trying to get back together where the path meets the road.  

Somehow I doubt any/either of those things.  

If you can push, carry or pull a KLR through it, I can manage to get my weestrom through it too.

The only advantage of any other bike would be something less than 250lbs., which you could lift over an obstacle, depending on whether or not you could walk through it.  

Again though, that's not the point.  The point is going to wild ass places, learning about diverse cultures, minimizing mechanical issues and making it back in good health with bike.

[bluesurf]

The point is going to wild ass places, learning about diverse cultures, minimizing mechanical issues and making it back in good health with bike.

 

[motomyth]

That is a tough question.  Myself I have ridden from Los Angles to Panama.  I was on a 1981 Seca 400.  So I am sure you realize it has been quite some time ago.  However, in my travels I have noticed that Suzuki seems to be the most prevalent anywhere I go, except in European countries.  So I think where you are going would be a factor.  

IMHO the Wee-Strom maybe a good fit.

Jeff

[tedrbr]

Without know what parts of the world the original poster is looking to travel to,
how long he plans to stay out on a trip,
how good he is at performing his own maintenance while on route,
how much support he can count on.... I mean Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman could have had another GS airdropped to them on their trip if needed.....
if he is traveling solo or with others,
how much gear he is planning on taking with him,
.....
and the arguing and venting of one's spleen on other's suggestions is kind of pointless.  There have been many bikes that have done these kinds of trips in the past, and many bikes now capable of doing such trips as designed, or with modification.

In short, the selection and outfitting of the bike partially is determined by the trip envisioned.

[Head]

Bah!  I took my pile off-road and it handled quite well.  From sandy loose soil, to bouncing over softball sized rocks, all on the same stretch.  Just stand up, stay loose and let er rip.  It also nearly maintence free with shaft drive and hydraulic valves.  I could loose a cylinder and still have three

[SWriverstone]

And neither do they have to. Dual purpose motorcycles just happen to be the most practical motorcycles out there. Whats wrong with using them solely on the street? You can even put street tires on them if that is all its used for.

You might not see it that way having a VFR in your stables.

Yeah, I guess you'e right. I just like the idea of purpose-built vehicles (or bikes) actually being used for that purpose. But hey people live in airplanes, power drills with bicycles, and haul lumber with motorcycles...so hey, anything goes.   I admit I enjoy riding the KLR on the street as much as the VFR!

Scott

[photomd]

I admit I enjoy riding the KLR on the street as much as the VFR!

Scott

See, that's what I'm talking about!  

Not "this brand" needs to get over it. "I'm not bashing". Whatever.

My opinion of one bike should mean nothing (especially when exaggerated) to people that enjoy it. Enjoying the ride!  

[Global Rider]

I admit I enjoy riding the KLR on the street as much as the VFR!

Yeah, it has a lazy relaxed feel about it. But owning other bikes, I don't think I could live with it as my one and only primary mount unless I was on a budget. But thinking just over three years back, what an enjoyable tour that was abord my KLR.

[VIVID1]

KTM 950 Adventure  

[Global Rider]

KTM 950 Adventure  

It and the 640 Adventure (seriously considering) wouldn't be bad if they at least put a seat on it that I can sit on for 500 miles.

[bluesurf]

It and the 640 Adventure (seriously considering) wouldn't be bad if they at least put a seat on it that I can sit on for 500 miles.

Uwe and Ramona love their 640's and have traveled distant places with them.    I'm not sure what seat(s) they use, or even if they sit down, but it seems to work for them.

I don't think that they have their own web site, but are regularly featured in both print (RoadRunner) and various online sites.  They were also here (Seattle) in 2004 and gave a cool presentation of their travels.

[black hills]

All KTM's have at least 4 seat options(check the hard parts catalog). You should be able to get the reg. seat or the tall and you can get firm or soft in either hieght. If those don't work I believe corbin makes a seat for them also? Personally I have put a corbin on everybike I have owned in the last 15years. My CBR was terribly uncomfortable with the stock seat. The Corbin and heli-bars made it a completely different bike. The CBR works great on gravel, but dirt roads/trails have it bottoming out far to easily, unfortunately I can't help but switch to dirt biking mode?. If I was planning a trip that involved anything other than pavement or good gravel roads I would choose the adventure.

[R.Markus]

It and the 640 Adventure (seriously considering) wouldn't be bad if they at least put a seat on it that I can sit on for 500 miles.

I have heard a lot of complaints about KTM's seats. I like the one on the 640 (but I'm skinny and have no butt to speak of), but still want to get a Renazco Racing seat since they make onethat is an inch lower. Most people that have them swear by them.

[bluesurf]

I have heard a lot of complaints about KTM's seats. I like the one on the 640 (but I'm skinny and have no butt to speak of), but still want to get a Renazco Racing seat since they make onethat is an inch lower. Most people that have them swear by them.

If it's just for an inch of height, then have you considered shaving your stock seat?  I haven't done it, but have seen walkthroughs and it looks a lot cheaper and possibly more satisfying/custom fit than buying a new non-custom seat.

[R.Markus]

If it's just for an inch of height, then have you considered shaving your stock seat?  I haven't done it, but have seen walkthroughs and it looks a lot cheaper and possibly more satisfying/custom fit than buying a new non-custom seat.

I've considered it and still may try it. I like the seat the way it is for the most part...my inseam just isn't too thrilled about it.

[Mrs. DantesDame]

Hey guys - I'm going to toss this into "Dirt Lovers" seeing at it's 99% dual sport talking here  


I'd still take my KLR  

[R.Markus]

Hey guys - I'm going to toss this into "Dirt Lovers" seeing at it's 99% dual sport talking here  


I'd still take my KLR  

I'd take a KLR...or an Ascot, Nighthawk, KTM 640, Ural...or whatever. What I can't seem to buy at the store is the nerve to throw everything aside and ride whichever one I choose half way around the world (not that I'd really want to give up my entire life for that, which may be the main problem).  

[Mrs. DantesDame]

I'd take a KLR...or an Ascot, Nighthawk, KTM 640, Ural...or whatever. What I can't seem to buy at the store is the nerve to throw everything aside and ride whichever one I choose half way around the world (not that I'd really want to give up my entire life for that, which may be the main problem).  

I think I could do it. If I could set up my house with renters to maintain it and keep it paid for... I'd be willing to hop on the KLR and just start riding. Maybe try and swing something like Uwe and Ramona and do little jobs along the way to pay for tires and gas.


But on the other hand, I'm really happy where I'm at and being able to take the trips I do

[cyeager]

I'd go with the XR650 myself. It is fully capable of just about any terrian, its reliable as a rock, and Honda is the only manufacture that can honestly claim an actual global support network.

[miles]

I would like to see a VFR ride across river 3+ feet deep river, or through a foot of mud or snow.

Well, it isn't a VFR, it's an FZ6, but still...




There have been so many people that have ridden the most unlikely bikes in the the most improbable places (google Sjaak Lucassen, for example) that I'd have to say just take whatever bike you damned well please.  I might suggest that you stay away from anything too large, expensive, or fragile, but other than that anything goes.

Some examples:
Sjaak on his goofy R1
Emilio Scotto on his GL 1100 Goldwing
Robbie Marshall on his Triumph Trophy 1200
That GuzziDoug guy on his ancient Indian (By the way, check out www.guzzidoug.com for a strange twist to his story)

And so on.
I'm not saying that these are excellent choices, but they all seemed to work just fine for the people that rode them.


miles  (me?  I'd take my Speed Trip, but I would put those tires that come on the Ulysses on it)

[miles]

The closest I've ever come to an RTW trip was back in '84 I spent a couple of moths riding around back roads in Mexico and Central America.  My Yamaha XS650E was a fantastic bike for it.  As has been pointed out precious little of your time on a tour, even in the poorest of third world countries, will actually be truly off-road.  Most degraded dirt roads are passable on pretty much any motorcycle, if you ride with some care.
I wouldn't sweat it.


miles

[SWriverstone]

But if China or Iran dropped the bomb and we retaliated...and the world got scorched...and what was left of humanity was engaged in a life-or-death struggle for the precious few resources remaining...and gangs of hockey-mask-wearing thugs roamed the (now destroyed) roads...and all order had devolved into chaos...and there was no law...

I'd want a KLR!  

Scott

PS - I'd have to add the "sharp metal spikes" mod to it though...

[forester]

But if China or Iran dropped the bomb and we retaliated...and the world got scorched...and what was left of humanity was engaged in a life-or-death struggle for the precious few resources remaining...and gangs of hockey-mask-wearing thugs roamed the (now destroyed) roads...and all order had devolved into chaos...and there was no law...

I'd want a KLR!  

Scott

PS - I'd have to add the "sharp metal spikes" mod to it though...

I don't need a KLR, since I have an accurized AR15 and lots of spare ammo!    With that combo, I can get as many dirtbikes as I want!

Maybe I'll get some penetrator rounds so I can score me a brinks truck, add some steel plate to it and build some missle launchers outfitted to the sides    Mad max-style.  

[photomd]

But if China or Iran dropped the bomb and we retaliated...and the world got scorched...and what was left of humanity was engaged in a life-or-death struggle for the precious few resources remaining...

:snippage:

I'd get a XR400 or keep my CR....you need to go deeper in to the woods.  

[black hills]

For those not familiar with Sjaak, his R1 seemed to work alright: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/26968/sjaak_the_world_video/

[Smooth Operator]

If you can get an R1 around the world, it really comes down to your budget & tastes. Sorry, just like a bar, YOU have to pick your own poison...

[mcrides]

Thinking about embarking a long journey into buying/equipping a bike to travel an insane amount miles on?
Hints, suggestions, solutions, ideas, lets hear them.

Depends on what types of roads. A lot of bikes would qualify. But I'd give a hard look at the new Kawasaki Versys. Based on the Ninja 650R parallel twin.


Bruno
Montreal, Canada
CBR 929

Gerbing Cascade Extreme jacket review
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[Albie]

Complaining about a seat on a bike is just plain nit picking. It's easily fixed. The stock seat on my GS Adventure was horrible. I replaced it with a Corbin, which really wasn't all that great but I could put some decent mileage on it. Sometimes you get lucky. the stock seat on the Strom and Busa are great. Never even considered changing.

[R.Markus]

But if China or Iran dropped the bomb and we retaliated...and the world got scorched...and what was left of humanity was engaged in a life-or-death struggle for the precious few resources remaining...and gangs of hockey-mask-wearing thugs roamed the (now destroyed) roads...and all order had devolved into chaos...and there was no law...

I'd want a KLR!  

Scott

PS - I'd have to add the "sharp metal spikes" mod to it though...

I don't need a KLR, since I have an accurized AR15 and lots of spare ammo!    With that combo, I can get as many dirtbikes as I want!

Maybe I'll get some penetrator rounds so I can score me a brinks truck, add some steel plate to it and build some missle launchers outfitted to the sides    Mad max-style.  

Dante, now you're going to have to move this thread to OT.

[forester]

Nothing but a like response relative to the considered post.  Drastic times call for drastic measures...










Markus...

[forester]

Besides, the question on this thread has been answered already on another:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197280

 

[R.Markus]

Nothing but a like response relative to the considered post.  Drastic times call for drastic measures...










Markus...

You gun nuts never cease to amaze me.

[R.Markus]

Besides, the question on this thread has been answered already on another:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197280

 

...but that forum is for people with thick skin, most here may not be able to venture over there without significant emotional scarring and years of subsiquent therapy. That's why there is a kindler, gentler dirt forum here...so the weak can still survive.

[Johnny Monsoon]

I think anyone could take any bike around the world.  Much of our earth was explored by motorcycle; heavy, steel, underpowered motorcycle with very limited suspension.

However, designs have become more specialized to make particular motorcycles very good at covering more specific types of terrain.  Why anyone would take an R1 around the globe is beyond me (at least without being heavily modified).  Using that bike for any offroading is ensuring you're operating far outside the intended design parameters of the components; and blatantly violating the intended use and environment of some others.

That lightweight marvel that is the R1's frame was never designed to be stressed like a dirtbike.  The USD forks with roadgoing seals were never designed to be saturated with mud; and the sliders were never designed to be submerged.  The wheels were never, ever designed to handle a rock hit, and changing a tire without a machine would be nearly impossible (hey, when you're 'out there' tires go flat!).  The bodywork isn't ruggedized, and there's no way you'll be getting the intended airflow over the radiator at DSing speeds.

I saw reports from the guy with a Goldwing doing 'round the world stuff.  My KLR got heavy... really heavy, after picking it up several times and trying to muscle it over areas impossible to stay mounted.  It is exhausting just thinking about doing the same for a Goldwing.

Likewise taking a dirtbike to the track, or for long distance state-to-state travel is an exercise in equipment misuse.  Of course, there are bikes that split the difference (the KLR is one), and that's where one should start looking.  A good RTW bike is one that is simple, relialbe, plentiful, and compromises everything.

To me, bikes like the middleweight trallies (KLR, DR, Adv640, F650GS, etc.) are king for RTW travel; in fact, while they're a compromise in terms of riding, I'll submit that they're very, very specific to this purpose.  They do everything well enough, and are purposely made durable enough, to withstand dirt-bike punishment while still allowing enough comfort on the road to let you cover most any terrain on earth.

The heavier bikes, like the GS1150/1200, VStrom, Tiger, etc. are much better touring rigs that allow you to deal with gravel roads, rutted pavement, and very well groomed trails.  I'd rather tour on one of these than a ST1300 or K bike.  I'd much rather take one of these offroad than any street-only bike, even though they're decidedly heavier than the middleweight DS machines, they're still much more tolerant of more extreme conditions.

[SWriverstone]

...but that forum is for people with thick skin, most here may not be able to venture over there without significant emotional scarring and years of subsiquent therapy. That's why there is a kindler, gentler dirt forum here...so the weak can still survive.

LOL!

I love going over there, but in my case, it's like having my eyes melted by the blinding light of countless noble individuals and cute couples gallavanting around the world on adventure trips...spend any time at ADVRider...and you come away wondering..."Am I the only one who isn't currently on some epic odyssey of adventure???"  

Scott

PS - Sometimes ADVRider looks to me like "The Motorcycle Forum for Jobless, Childless, Relationship-less, Independently Wealthy People!" LOL

[R.Markus]

LOL!

Sometimes ADVRider looks to me like "The Motorcycle Forum for Jobless, Childless, Relationship-less, Independently Wealthy People!" LOL

I'll agree with that...every once in a while you see a post eluding to that fact that they (most of them) work for a living also.

[black hills]

That lightweight marvel that is the R1's frame was never designed to be stressed like a dirtbike.  The USD forks with roadgoing seals were never designed to be saturated with mud; and the sliders were never designed to be submerged.  The wheels were never, ever designed to handle a rock hit, and changing a tire without a machine would be nearly impossible (hey, when you're 'out there' tires go flat!).  The bodywork isn't ruggedized, and there's no way you'll be getting the intended airflow over the radiator at DSing speeds.

While I agree with most of your post, I'm a bit confused on this? I think the R1's frame is as strong or stronger than most adventure bikes, however I have no proof?? The USD forks and seals on my KTM dirtbike look and operate exapctly the same as the ones on my CBR. I think they are both designed the same, and should work the same?? I don;t think the rims are any weaker than the rims on off road machines, but I may be wrong? Changing a tire ona modern sportbike is easier than changing one on my dirt bike. As long as you don't mind a few scratches in the rim. You are correct on the body work and the air flow, although for no more load than you will have on the engine at those speeds the fan should do it's job nicely.

[R.Markus]

I don;t think the rims are any weaker than the rims on off road machines, but I may be wrong? Changing a tire ona modern sportbike is easier than changing one on my dirt bike.  

The cast rim of the R1 is not designed for rock hits. Being tubeless, a crack in the rim would be a big problem. Dirt rims, with spokes, are designed to flex over hard obstacles and jumping (which I'm sure the R1 didn't do). You see a lot of dirt rims with large dents (mine included), the tube keeps the tire inflated even if the bead isn't set very well in that spot anymore. You could use the cast rims off road without issue, but an unfortunate hit to the rim could cause a bigger problem than the same hit on a spoked rim would.

[Johnny Monsoon]

While I agree with most of your post, I'm a bit confused on this? I think the R1's frame is as strong or stronger than most adventure bikes, however I have no proof?? The USD forks and seals on my KTM dirtbike look and operate exapctly the same as the ones on my CBR. I think they are both designed the same, and should work the same?? I don;t think the rims are any weaker than the rims on off road machines, but I may be wrong? Changing a tire ona modern sportbike is easier than changing one on my dirt bike. As long as you don't mind a few scratches in the rim. You are correct on the body work and the air flow, although for no more load than you will have on the engine at those speeds the fan should do it's job nicely.

Okay, I'll try to explain it; If you think I'm sounding like a jerk, that isn't how I'm meaning it (I can just see that this could cause debate and I don't want you thinking I'm calling you stupid or anything).

The seals on dirtbikes (and for cars and all sorts of 'gettin' dirty' equipment) are generally different comounds, and are usually 'double sealed' to provide a sacraficial area to sweep dirt and debris away.  I suspect this isn't always the case, but clearly dirt forks will be designed with this in mind.  They are different, if in no other way, than being much higher off the road than street bikes.

The R1 is a crazy strong frame, but it was designed to be strong with very specific stresses applied to it.  It would not be unreasonable at all to have the bike tip and land on a rock that could easily crack a weld or snap a frame.  An impact with a tree, even a mild one, could cause the frame to be tweaked.  The offroad realm and the stresses a dirtbike is designed to take were never considered for a streetbike, and as such, the frame would not be reinforced in such a way.

Offroading will eventually net you a flat tire.  I'd rather carry tubes than spare tires.  The sidewalls on modern motorcycle tires are very stiff, and require much more effort to get on an off of a rim.  Further, a lot of times you'll want to run very low PSI in your tires for various conditions.  This will leave the tire spinning on the rim or slipping off.  Neither of wich is a  very good option.  I've never heard of a street tire that comes off as easily with hand tools as a DS tire does.  RMarkus did a great job of explaining rim design, and I don't have anything else to add to that.

I see what you're saying about the fan, but the KLR has a fan too, and even it gets hot when you're creeping around and slipping the clutch, etc.  I just see the bodywork trapping a whole lot of hot and creating serious issues.  Besides, who wants to be stripping bodywork off when you're deep in the brush?  I think I'd rather spoon my eyes out.  However, to be quite honest the Dakar bikes often have side fairings, but I think they route air across the engine and they generally travel pretty fast too (unlike you would creeping over technical stuff in the woods).  This is pure speculation by me, but knowing how I am offroad I know my fairings would be toast in about 10 miles.

[black hills]

OK. I guess seals can be made of different materials, I was just going with what I know? Replacing the seals on my KTM is exactly the same as replacing them on my CBR. Everything looks exactly the same. Fork design, seal design, etc. But I see your point and they very well may be made of different materials. As for the tire changing I find sportbike tires (wide rims) are very easy to change with hand tools compared to the Pirelli MT18's with Michellin Ultra heavy duty tubes that I use on my woods bike. But, of course opinions may vary?? I simple posted the Sjaak link to point out that any bike *will* work. Even the R1 is far better suited for around the world than Ted Simons Triumph was. Sure there are a lot better choices than a road going machine, but comapred to other machines that have made the trip pretty much any modern bike is better. As usuall this is only the opinion of some old guy who has suffered too many head injuries.

[XLR8]

Umm duh an R1 of course silly

http://www.sjaaklucassen.nl/

[old wanderer]

Well nobody has said a word about my dual sport bike, so let us bring this tread back up on the list, and see what kind of bashing I can gather.

My choice would be my Aprilia Caponord......Reliable, stable, as I have owned most of the other Aprilias I feel confident in fixing anything that might happen. I am planning on shipping it to Asia next year and doing a 2 week Laos trip with it.

[black hills]

I guess if you are going half way around the world, any bike will do. However if you want to go all the way around, I think the KTM adventure is the bike for the job. Single or twin is up to you..

[Johnny Monsoon]

I guess if you are going half way around the world, any bike will do. However if you want to go all the way around, I think the KTM adventure is the bike for the job. Single or twin is up to you..

True, KTMs will give you lots of relaxing time; waiting for parts here, at the massage therapist there, shopping for new parts in the dealer at the other...

All the way around on a bike that won't quit?  KLR650.  End of discussion.

[black hills]

Oh please...My KTM has proven to be bulletproof. 7 years of woods riding and it hasn't let me down yet. The only parts I have needed were normal wear and tear or crash damage. I order those online sun. night from holeshot KTM and they are here thurs. ?  Have you ever even owned one?? They seem to continue proving themselves in the Dakar rally, but it's not that impressive now that the competition (BMW) quit even showing up.  Anyway to each their own..

[Albie]

Comparing your 2 stroke dirt bike, to the 4 stroke adventure bike is an apples and oranges situation.

[black hills]

Comparing your 2 stroke dirt bike, to the 4 stroke adventure bike is an apples and oranges situation.

This may be true, but I wouldn't think the quality would vary a whole lot. Most manufacutrers have consistent quality, or lack of, throughout their product line.

[Johnny Monsoon]

This may be true, but I wouldn't think the quality would vary a whole lot. Most manufacutrers have consistent quality, or lack of, throughout their product line.

Quality doesn't, but application does.  The LC4 and similarly displaced/intended bikes tend to suffer far more frequent and catastropic issues than their dirt bikes.  It makes sense, really; they have that high-strung mentality applied to a bike that is designed for a lot of miles; when you operate engines close to maximum performance all the time for long periods of time, they're going to frag.  The KLR/DR/F650 etc all operate well below their maximum tolerances, and therefore are more reliable at the expense of performance.

So, that really becomes the question now:  Do you want performance or reliability?

[black hills]

Good point. Perhaps that is why I rarely have problems? While I prefer a more performance oriented machine I rarely run it at it's maximum potential. In all my years/bikes I have never had an engine failure. I have had to replace many parts, but the wore out and I made the needed repairs before it left me stranded.

What have been the problems with the adventures? I haven't really paid attention.

[R.Markus]

While I really like my Adventure, I wouldn't take it for a RTW bike. There is way too much maintenance for that. The bike absolutely rips and is fun as hell to ride, but everytime I park it I find another worn hose or elecrical wire to replace. Everytime I leave on a trip I have to change the oil and do a valve inspection (and put on new tires), when I get back it is time for another valve inspection, oil change, a new set of tires (even though I changed them again half way through the trip), and a hard look at the hoses and wiring.

KTM builds awesome performing bikes, but they do suffer on the reliability end. This is not a problem if you keep a close eye on everything.

[Johnny Monsoon]

Good point. Perhaps that is why I rarely have problems? While I prefer a more performance oriented machine I rarely run it at it's maximum potential. In all my years/bikes I have never had an engine failure. I have had to replace many parts, but the wore out and I made the needed repairs before it left me stranded.

What have been the problems with the adventures? I haven't really paid attention.

Weak bottom end; catastrophic failure.  The limited oil capacity seems to me, to be the root of this (though they double filter it).  I think they just didn't plan well for extended riding duration cycles.  The bikes with larger oil capacities tend to live longer.

[XLR8]

So what about those Dakar KTMs though? Are they flying in new engines every other day during the race? They seem to do pretty well. I'm not trying to be a smart ass I am really wondering.

[black hills]

So what about those Dakar KTMs though? Are they flying in new engines every other day during the race? They seem to do pretty well. I'm not trying to be a smart ass I am really wondering.

That is what I was thinking too? They have dominated Dakar since their first year. So much so that most the competition just quit. I don't know the rules for the Dakar but if it is similar to ISDE, they aren't going to be putting out a fresh bike every morning. Questions, Questions, Questions......

[R.Markus]

That is what I was thinking too? They have dominated Dakar since their first year. So much so that most the competition just quit. I don't know the rules for the Dakar but if it is similar to ISDE, they aren't going to be putting out a fresh bike every morning. Questions, Questions, Questions......

They do have mechanics that specifically tear the bikes apart and work on them all night after the race every day. A guy finished the Dakar this year in a "mostly stock" 640 Adventure without any major mechanical issues.

I'm also not saying that the 640 is hugely unreliable. It's main issue is vibration. The large tank sits tightly over the frame (and hoses/wires) and rubs on everything. Periodic inspections and preventative maintenance (I just got done cutting up an old heavy duty tube and wrapping and taping it around some radiator hoses for added protection) will go a long way on these bikes.

The main reason I say it is not a RTW world bike is the maintenance schedule. Also, the bike has 2 oil filters to change every time, has 3 drain plugs, 2 places to put back a pre-measured amount of oil, and then you need to bleed the oil system when you're done. Valve inspection / adjustments are scheduled to be done every 3000 miles. A new or rebuilt water pump will be needed every 10 - 14K miles (although this is a preventative measure based on other people's experiences with it going bad around this time frame). This all adds up to a lot of extra maintenance time and a lot of extra parts to carry around on your trips. Hell, I struggle with these issues on my vacations that are ~6000 miles.

[bluesurf]

The main reason I say it is not a RTW world bike is the maintenance schedule.

A factor, certainly, but not one that stopped Uwe and Ramona.  They rode their 640's darn near everywhere rtw, primarily unsupported save what they carried on the bikes.

[Global Rider]

Thinking about embarking a long journey into buying/equipping a bike to travel an insane amount miles on?
Hints, suggestions, solutions, ideas, lets hear them.

Well North America and Europe are halfway around the world, so any reliable and comfortable street bike will do.

You didn't say where? Halfway "here" and halfway "there" can be two totally different things.